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...is to love Muslims. In the very same way that to hate Mein Kampf isn't to hate Germans.

When you start to talk about Islam, it doesn't take long until some idiot come along bashing you up and down saying that "you're racist", "you hate Muslims" or some other non-sense. But we have two totally different subjects: Islam, a set of books with a harsh VII Century doctrine set by a schizophrenic who claimed to can talk to Gabriel Archangel and Muslims, the people who is still suffering from it.
And when it comes to suffering, nobody is suffering it harder than themselves! In a daily basis Muslims have to be wary even of their shadow, or one of the "Islam-watch" may kill or severely harm them.

So, it's impossible to me to be sympathetic to Islam, being sympathetic to Islam is the same as if I was supporting that Muslim women shouldn't be allowed to study, that people should be stoned to death, lashed, have their limbs cut of and so on... and leave Palestine, Iraq, Syria or other conflict aside, this is daily life for most of them who live in peace but under more strict flags of Islam, like Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan!

Oh, but the Bible is harsh too! Yes it is... but I'm atheist! I would never support stoning people, cutting women hands and other non-sense from the Old Testament. It's the same, for me it doesn't matter who made the doctrine that is causing violence, no matter if it come from the West, East, North or South.

Then comes another group, the "misinterpretation" one:
Islam is text-clear, I'll not fill this post with quotes of stuff you can find easily at the web, just search for the Quran and Hadith, the Quran is the base book, and just by looking at its index you'll find it resembling more of a Civil Code, including the laws to share spoils of war, and the others are sort of Muhammad's biography.
If you read the books and believe things like ISIS or Boko Haram are "misinterpreting the Islam", then we have an issue! You'll have to say Hitler was a nice guy, the chief of Auschwitz was the one misinterpreting Mein Kampf...

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And no I don't consider you a racist.
I totally agree with you about the Islam part.
Islam is a totally schizophrenic religion taught to make people die for their leaders.
On the other hand, I don't think that bible is in any way comparable to Quran.
The bible abnegates hate in every form of it.

But why pick on or single out Islam? It's when you do that people may start to think you're a racist or islamaphobe or whatever. Christianity has a darker history than probably any other religion. Christian fundamentalists probably kill more people than islam does as well, they just do it with bombs and other such measures.

I'm alive at 2014, not at 1500-something. The deeds of the past are unchangeable, so it makes no sense to keep up with Christianity, other than keep it under quarantine to make sure it doesn't happen again.
And still, two wrongs doesn't make a right!

Evolution is the new religion in 2014 with Charles Darwin taking the Jesus role.

The problem being is that a lot of posters on here associate Islam with terrorism, crazy when you consider only a very small minority of muslims are fanatics. It's become the status quo in the Western media to 'bash muslims' 

Screw terrorism! The issue there isn't about terrorism, it's about daily terrorism those people is suffering from due to crackpot-made laws.
Terrorism is just the only thing the west talks about because it's only thing that hits the west. 9/11? 5/11? That's NOTHING compared to a daily life under that wacked flag. And it's not a "very small minority", it's a majority of muslims who were brainwashed to think Islam is good, and even push to have Sharia, even if they don't know exactly why.

Take for an instance that last Pakistan case about Ahamaddya. It wasn't a muslim murder, it was a mob of them! If that mob was chasing and killed a guy caught red hand abusing a small girl, that would be somewhat ok, westerns would do the same, but no! That mob gathered about a shitty "blasphemy"... a mob!

According to Pew Research, some 20% of them sees suicide bombings as "justified". IMO, 20% of 1 billion, i.e 200 million is not a small amount. For heaven's sake, that is bigger than the total population of Russia.

Don't forget Koran has tell its follower to kill all the infidels.

I'm also an atheist, but I don't hate anyone. Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. Your all the same to me.  :D 

Yes, Islam has that crappy feature built-in of making any muslim a cop of other muslims, by making believe the brainwashed dude that Allah will make him an accomplice to whatever the other is doing.
Dark ages methods... but still around.

RodeoX:

I don't hate PEOPLE, but Islam is an ideology and ideologies aren't beyond criticism.

Yes. I do understand. There are people, who because of their Islam, would put us both to death for our lack of faith. It's hard to like that attitude. But I have also met a lot of very peaceful and kind Muslims who interpret things differently. I hate them all if there were only one Islam. lol

Could it be the other way around maybe? A lot of islamists chose terrorism.
You are right, it is a very small minority. The vast majority must fight and eliminate the bad seeds within themselves. We are all real time witnesses.

I know of lots of those "different muslims" and have some as friends. I don't aim at the people, as the people itself is suffering with Islam, no other people on earth can say to suffer more with Islam than Muslims, actually.

Terrorism is somewhat a false question. It's like saying we're just bothering with what may hit us, but life under Sharia is a constant terrorism-of-mind to them. Terrorism is a double faced spike, it's the most visible face of Islam in the West, but also a given reason for governments to run over your civil rights.

An Israeli mob just gathered to chant  “There’s no school tomorrow, there’s no children left in Gaza" all mass ideology is toxic

There are plenty of muslims and Islamic organizations who denounce all forms of violence on a regular basis, just that their voices get drowned out by the crazies. Also kinda depends on how you define terrorism/terrorists, you could argue that suicide bombers attacking military targets would be an act of war rather than terrorism.

Actually there are none! Ask any of them to denounce the surah that compels Muslims to kill non-believers... oooops! They don't do it. Basically those associations are an attempt to try to lure westerns into a positive view of Islam, until they grow in number enough to overcome the society and submit everybody to either convert by force, pay jizya or die.

How about suicide bombers attacking little school girls on her way back home or to school? Act of war too? Hmm...

No, attacks against civvies would be classed as terrorism, much like the terror unleashed by Israel when they bombed the two UN schools in violation of international law.

All those religions are equally silly. Lets go and kill someone else because his imaginary friend is less kickass than your imaginary friend. Woohoo!

Or let's kill that evil atheist that has no imaginary friends!

Come and learn about islam, and maybe you will love islam. :)

I studied a lot about Islam and all I can say is that someone loving it has serious mental issues!
I don't need no bullshitting religion saying I'm the best or using ones ego against himself.


Btw: gambling is haram.

If all religions preach peace then why aren't their extremist extremely peaceful?

Islam seems worse to you because you were probably raised to a Christian culture, I suppose to Islam followers Christianity is more extreme and so on. Truth is you are all crazy so stop searching for who is crazier, lol.

Now, I get what the OP is trying to say in regards to people assuming that because one criticizes Islam one must be discriminating Muslims, some go as far as saying is a racial issue. I'm sorry but that's just madness and it's a strategy to brush off whatever criticism that is not in the religion's best interest. On that same note, I think the reason why the followers of these "religions" are so prompt to take it personally and get offended is because they have formed their identities around that set of beliefs. I've had a chance to observe Christians above all other cult followers and I have noticed often they put their beliefs even above their humanity... Like if you are to ask about their opinion on something, they'd answer something along the lines of "As a Christian I..." then you'd ask for their personal opinion and they'd say "Well, the Bible says..." so it would seem as if they have little sense of themselves outside the doctrine, I suppose that's why they take things personally when the cult is being questioned.

i don't know if i'd call it the religion that is so crazy.. it probably has more to do with the culture of arabs, on top of the fact that the west has gone into their territory and siphoned out so much of their natural resources without giving anything back.

Nigeria finds 10-year-old girl with bomb strapped to her


Nigerian forces have arrested two Boko Haram suspects who were traveling with a 10-year-old girl with explosives strapped to her, the government said on Wednesday.

Government spokesman Mike Omeri said the suspects had been intercepted in a Honda CRV car traveling along a road in the north’s Katsina state.

“Ten-year old Hadiza was discovered to have been strapped with an explosive belt and, immediately, Iliya and Zainab made attempt to escape with the car, but were later blocked by other concerned Nigerians and subsequently arrested,” he said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/30/us-nigeria-violence-girl-idUSKBN0FZ23520140730

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"...kinda depends on how you define terrorism/terrorists..."

Indeed.

Cultural relativism has boundaries!
Firstly I'm not Christian to fall into that non-sense of "my imaginary friend is better than yours", let's leave that aside. Right?

If I was unlucky to born under Islam I probably would think kill people is justifiable if they don't preach Allah or whatsoever and probably would be studying the Quran in a catatonic state as if that load of baloney was the ultimate truth on Earth. (For those without knowledge, the line of the horizon is the end of the World) But, no wonder! If everybody who doesn't do it gets to be killed... pretty much what would happen if I was born 2 or 3 centuries ago in Europe about Christianity.

The aim must be to spread the value of life, which is more or less of an universal value, except for Islam (and Medieval Christianity, but Medieval Christianity is not killing people today, Islam is), and Secular and Rational societies, so we don't need to find out who is crazier anymore. It doesn't also mean that crazy people will fade away magically, but at least we won't have societies with so many wackjobs that no asylum can host them.

For the rest of the crap, like if you want to pray with your ass up or under water or whatever, doesn't concern me. Also religions can have the right to be annoying, like Jehovah witnesses, but not to kill people or force them to their belief or impose the irrational religion-made laws.

Pay this page a visit and then come back to me to tell me Islam is worse: https://www.facebook.com/EvidenceofHarmbyReligion

If you only judge Islam through terrorist who claims to be a Muslim, then you are really wrong. We were never taught that way, not Islam which teaches them but people who are not responsible, who taught them. Their sense of fanatical excess of Islam that has made them forget and finally take action is never justified in the Quran.

If you study history, you will know Islam is just as violent as any other religions out there.

@trans4mist ,

Yes it is. If you want to say shit like

"That priest is molesting a child, look how bad Christianity is" you make no sense at all! You are comparing the incomparable! Under Islam not only the Mullah can molest children as it isn't even forbidden and most likely the child will be killed if complaint.

@valvalis ,

How many times do I need to say: FUCK TERRORISM! Terrorism is the least of Islam problems!

@transient858,

Do you live in XV Century? Or I BC? No! So just because 5 centuries ago Christianity was way worse than Islam doesn't justify anything for today.
And no, Islam isn't "just as violent", others have violent behaviors, but Islam is violent from its doctrine up. The only place Islam should have by now was in Hollywood for a couple of movies, like the Greek or Nordic ancient religions.

Well, Sayyd Qutb would likely agree with you....