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Hey folks,

what do you think about the recent conflicts (russia, ukrain)
and espescially the middle east conflict??

regards,
bitsta

RE middle east, simple question.

If there was no conflicts and all was well in the middle east, wouldn't the price of oil drop?

(I gotta feeling the fracking industry in the USA is going to make these sick puppies irrelevant...)

Well I guess if man had a natural enemy, it would then be us against them. I think you would then see a lot less 'bickering' amongst humans.
The thing is we're conquered our way to the very top of the food chain. When there is nothing left to conquer, there's still one last thing left to conquer. Oneself.
Unless humanity veers off it's current path, obliteration of our species is the only possible outcome  :D

From what I hear fracking barely does a thing for the amount of trouble and gas it brings but I'd need to do more research into it before I can say for definite, it certainly doesn't seem very efficient to practically demolish the underground for a tiny bit of gas from what I've seen so far.

What you know about that? Why only Russia and Ukraine? Look around the Europe Livia.Iraq Iran Siria Palestine Afganistan. Starting make some noise around Serbia and PriDnestrovie. Romania send  old tanks and same force machines to Ukraine. Polish NATO base forces standing in alert mode and is ready to enter the territory of Ukraine and etc. This is the result of NATO policy aimed at the destruction of half a century Russia to seize natural resources which is covered by the slogan of becoming "democracy." Look what has made this form of "democracy" Serbiyu.Latviyu Yugoslavia Iran Iraq Libya now unfortunately trying to do the same thing with Ukraine. Countries such as Germany United Kingdom Italy Spain Turkey Greece Netherlands Austria Poland, Finland and so on, have a long history and feel fine until the United States and even more so before entering the "dollar" zone and the emergence of "democratic" system. Provakatsionnaya aggressive policy of NATO in Russia's attitude can lead to the beginning of the Third World War, unfortunately for all of us. China currently has a highly trained and mentally prepared army of 450 milion people. And does not conduct aggressive policy against any state, although having an army and not backward equipment a chance to win even having gone to war against the whole world. Obama will make every effort to start a war, if there is no war, there would be no Obama and the desirability of NATO will be a big question. From someone constantly "protected" representatives in Washington?

Most wars are necessary evils. Unfortunately today's wars are not necessary. Palestine is attacking Israel for no reason, and Israel is trying to defend themselves. Russia is trying to get more influence in Europe and is more or less invading the Ukraine. I would not be entirely surprised if we were to see world war 3 start in the Ukraine, although hopefully this will not happen.

Outcome of over population with limited resources.

Hopefully russia can over come its paranoia and understand that true enemy lies to the east, not west.

In terms of the middle east, they can be trucked into the ovens for all anyone should care. Aside from Israel, rest of the middle east is merely reaping what they have sown. I would fully support the genocide of all arabs and muslims from that region, let them have a little taste of what they have done for the last 2000 years using any excuse they can scrape from the bottom of the barrel.

Pfff... It's quite simple. Russia wants more territory, USA wants to prevent that, so they start fighting in Ukraine, as if it were the old Cold War times. USA is stupid and puts sanctions on Russia, when Russia can cripple the US Dollar. Stupid.

Then, US starts intervening in Middle East, and they make a mess out of it, trying to get more oil and failing. They release some Ebola on the West Coast of Africa, as an attempt to quiet things down, but it doesn't work, and I tell you, some epidemic will "emerge" in the Middle East too. The USA is planning that, and I suspect they're going to use the MERS for that.

Meanwhile, China is being pressurized by Vietnam, USA, Japan and other countries, since China is rapidly expanding and the other can't stop it. China will get the islands they are arguing over with, even if they have to use force. So we shall at least see a small war over there.

And all of this are my own suspicions.

It is not Russia, but the US which is fighting for more territory. The CIA toppled a democratically elected government in Ukraine and replaced it with neo-Nazis from the Right Sector.

That too, I should've phrased my statement properly. Russia wants more territory, and the USA want too, so they start fighting in Ukraine.
That's what I meant. They've had a grudge for many years, and that grudge is still there.

"Then, US starts intervening in Middle East, and they make a mess out of it, trying to get more oil and failing. They release some Ebola on the West Coast of Africa, as an attempt to quiet things down, but it doesn't work, and I tell you, some epidemic will "emerge" in the Middle East too. The USA is planning that, and I suspect they're going to use the MERS for that."
You say the US release Ebola to Africa! Are you sure the US have done this evil things? Any evidence?

No evidence at all, as I said, these are my own suspicions. Rumors have already started that there are suspected cases in Saudi Arabia, and that sort of confirms my suspicions.

Source for your claims ?

In my opinion, this is another ''cold war'' in progress, and Russia and USA fight over influence in this areas(specially Ukraine is the target).
Middle east conflict is even more complex, since 1948 when UK left this territory and UN was unable to find working political solution for this area.
Now, I don't think that we will see solution to this conflicts soon because it seems nobody is really interesting in peace bnow, after xso much bloodshed.

US and UK on one side and Russia and China on another side.

This wars/conflicts that we are witnessing today could be a prelude to a World War. Just look at the nations aligning themselves. The biggest war on History is on the horrizon.

Most conflicts (whish we don't talk about) are border related after imperialism era, when colonial forces left they didn't leave clear borders hence many conflicts in Africa for example are related to this or tension in Asia for that matter

Civil wars and extremism, and religious fanatics are also a source of conflict

Then comes geopolitical reasons and this usually are at a bigger scale and most of the time includes the US directly or indirectly such Ukraine right now, or Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, China sea ect

The core of the warfare will be done via currency and economic. And lesser countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia and Ukraine suffer conventional gun and bullet method.

especially in the middle east, about palestina vs zionis israel, i think it's ideology conflict, it's about how to defence the freedom the palestina people, it's about how to defense the country against the real terorist (israel)
there are thousands innocent people death, hundred building is broken, and hundred children and woman are injured
we must fair to the condition of palestina people

I don't think this is very true. Few countries other then the US are big enough trading partners to other countries to make economic warfare effective.

In my opinion its a bunch of pots and kettles calling each other black

In the Ukraine the USA calling Russia invaders and trying to destroy the peace of the country similar to what is occurring in Iraq again now that the puppet government they put there is collapsing (Not that I support ISIS) but they left a big mess.
Iran as always has its nuclear talks and boycotts from the world financial system, which is to keep the country at bay.
Israel invading Gaza gets praised more than commended but in a sense makes for a stark contrast to Ukraine Self determination but not Palestinian Self Determination.

Basically we have foils playing against each other where propaganda from one side or the other can form interesting contrasts to real situations occurring in other places in the world.

I don't think this is very true. Few countries other then the US are big enough trading partners to other countries to make economic warfare effective.
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Russia's are pretty effective though it cuts both ways why the EU is super pissed about food exports right now that said they may compensate the farmers.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/eu-mulling-compensation-for-farmers-affected-by-russian-food-ban-1407510970

There is always 3th party involved in who benefits from conflicts.
I wonder it's a war machine seller or big drug dealer...

The middle east conflict will continue for many years, when we're dead they will still be fighting.
The US/EU-Russia conflict will continue in Ukraine and also on other territories. Politicians and bankers want wars.

Think most conflicts nowadays are either money making schemes for arms manufacturers or geo-political bullshit for control of our dwindling resources.

The problem is that there is way too much money to be made from war.

I think the biggest military guys just got crazy. I live in Ukraine and wanna still be alive you know. STOP MILITARY ACTIONS.

Oil and gas export from Russia is big enough to threaten Euro Zone. Diverting all the energy resources to China will have huge ramification for US and USD.

And the reason there is way too much money to be made from war is due to the socialization of its cost.  Without the wealth of the entire nation at one's disposal, war would be far too expensive to wage at any level outside of defense from invasion.

Not so true in the US. The military industry complex is getting big and many people jobs are depended on the on going warfare to sustain the companies that provide arm and service to the military.

guess money is our problem then.

Currency and resources war. Inevitable outcome of large scale industrialization.

that it's stupid, they should spend more money on discovering new things in the universe or build new techs to conquer planets, stuff like that

Very scracy

i don't think it s a product of different cultures. i think the cruelty/war/poverty it s more a product of
different politics and their ability to just let people kill each other whenever they want..