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Yes, I am going to compare the two.  Both are predators who prey upon the uneducated, the poor, the disenfranchised.  Both spew outrageous propaganda filled with hate and division, in order to gain more power.  They also, at the same time, promote a conservative utopia - just at the end of a string.

Look at how Hamas has hurt the Palestinian people.  They threw money around and promised them a better world, all the while brainwashing them and stoking the hate of the Jews.  And now who is dying?  Civilians........the "collateral damage" so to speak.

Look at the Tea Party/Far Right movement - they basically do the same game - they stir up fear and hate and bigotry and whip the "faithful" into a frenzy.

They have stupid Americans now spouting Anti-American rhetoric, calling for impeachment - or even death - to our President because he is Black.  They encourage "armed insurrection" and "Second Amendment Solutions" but who's going to get hurt?  Not them - just the "little people."

So now - who do you think the "collateral damage" of the Tea Party will be...who will ultimately pay?

I realize and support your right to your personal opinion stated above. Based upon your stated thoughts I am going to first post our entire Tea Party Movement agenda, and then ask you questions about your stated opinions as posted above.


"(1) Protect the Constitution: Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does (82.03 percent).

"(2) Reject Cap & Trade: Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise consumers prices, and weaken the nation's global competitiveness with virtually no impact on global temperatures (72.20 percent).

"(3) Demand a Balanced Budget: Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69 percent)

"(4) Enact Fundamental Tax Reform: Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words -- the length of the original Constitution. (64.90 percent).

"(5) Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington: Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the U.S. Constitution's meaning. (63.37 percent)

"(6) End Runaway Government Spending: Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57 percent).

"(7) Defund, Repeal & Replace Government-run Health Care: Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-market health care and health insurance system that isn't restricted by state boundaries. (56.39 percent).

"(8) Pass an 'All-of-the-Above' Energy Policy: Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation, lowering prices and creating competition and jobs. (55.51 percent).

"(9) Stop the Pork: Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47 percent).
"(10) Stop the Tax Hikes: Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38 percent)."

terrorist loving liberals l don't give a shit about what the tea party is all about... cause we know that its the tea party that wants to slaughter anyone that doesn't agree with them, its the tea party that lobs bombs into other states, its the tea party that slaughters gays, its the tea party that subjugates women and mutilates their bodies, its the tea party that ...... oh wait.. no its not.... thats  hamas.... the terrorists that the liberals give a pass for atrocities, but accuse the tea party of but know that they are wrong.... . ... comparing the tea party to hamas is just beyond fucking sick..... 

I pray that you never come across one of your beloved hamas terrorists, cause they will slaughter you without a second glance, but you've shown that you don't care that these people are mass murderers....

This is totally disingenuous. While I don't affiliate myself with tea party folks or agree with a lot of what they say, comparing them to Hamas is just a slandering tool. There was a time when the conservative tea party movement and the liberal occupy movement were coming to
agreement and unifying. That ended quickly as these groups were both hijacked and the red vs blue dichotomy was repeated again and fine tools such as yourself began swallowing the story hook line and sinker and made it just another us vs them perpetual motionless machine.

"Look at the Tea Party/Far Right movement - they basically do the same game - they stir up fear and hate and bigotry and whip the "faithful" into a frenzy."

I realize that with our National Movement we have both a few ill intentioned people. We have also caught and extracted a few others who were Collectivist Liberal 'plants' whose intention was to make our Movement look bad publically. As soon as they started they were caught and physically moved away from our genuine supporters.

My question to you, is do you have a valid, objective reference to ANY Tea Party Movement promoting actual: HATE, FEAR, or BIGOTRY you can post that validates your opinion stated in your OP?

It is true that nearly ALL of our Tea Party Supporters in our National Movement are VERY Passionate about saving our nation from government over reach in excess of the 18 prerogatives allowed the Federal government by our Constitution, and yes these millions of Individuals are VERY faithful to our shared beliefs and Personal Values, so it may very easily appear someone whipped us into a frenzy while in reality each of us did that for ourselves. Just think, over 90% of us vote every election.

They have stupid Americans now spouting Anti-American rhetoric, calling for impeachment - or even death - to our President because he is Black.

Yes, we do call for Impeachment, relative to specific cases where Obama over reached his authority as defined in our Constitution. "IF" we succeed in said Impeachment, we realize the Senate will be VERY unlikely to convict him, however, he will be forced to cease his repeated Over Reach and usurping the power from our House.

My question to you, zolace, is do you have a valid, objective reference to ANY Tea Party Movement Supporter calling for impeachment - or even death - to our President because he is Black. that you can post that validates your opinion stated in your OP?

They encourage "armed insurrection" and "Second Amendment Solutions" but who's going to get hurt?   Not them - just the "little people."

My question to you,  is do you have a valid, objective reference to ANY Tea Party Movement Supporter where a Supporter was actually caught encourage "armed insurrection" and "Second Amendment Solutions"?

I ask these questions, because "IF" you actually produce valid events in answer to my questions, then I plan to raise some hell with our Facilitators. Obviously, "IF" the situations are isolated, local incidents I can and will be less able to bring about any changes since local groups are just that and autonomous from our National Movement.

Look at what jesse jackson and the democrat party promises have done for Chicago over the last 50 years. Can anyone really say the black community is better off after 50 years of the dems promises of throwing money around and promising them a better world? 50 years ago before dem leaders took control almost 70% of black children were born to married parents, today thanks to welfare handouts by dems less than 26% of black children are born to married parents. And dammit, the left is proud of it because they know blacks can't achieve unless they get that welfare that keeps them in poverty.

So now - who do you think the "collateral damage" of the Tea Party will be...who will ultimately pay?

Gunny nailed it with his statement: "That's an easy one.  The Republican Party!"

The Republican Party has already felt the wrath of our American Voters replacing their mealy mouthed, go along to get along, so called 'moderates' with our Fiscal Conservative Tea Party candidates who are each Individually committed to our ten agenda points above.

BTW, which of our agenda points do you personally object to and why?

I eagerly await your answers to my questions,zolace

Yes, I am going to compare the two.  Both are predators who prey upon the uneducated, the poor, the disenfranchised.  Both spew outrageous propaganda filled with hate and division, in order to gain more power.  They also, at the same time, promote a conservative utopia - just at the end of a string.

Look at how Israel has hurt the Jewish people.  They threw money around and promised them a better world, all the while brainwashing them and stoking the hate of the Palestinians/Arabs.  And now who is dying?  Civilians........the "collateral damage" so to speak.

Look at the Tea Party/Far Right movement - they basically do the same game - they stir up fear and hate and bigotry and whip the "faithful" into a frenzy.

They have stupid Americans now spouting Anti-American rhetoric, calling for impeachment - or even death - to our President because he is Black.  They encourage "armed insurrection" and "Second Amendment Solutions" but who's going to get hurt?  Not them - just the "little people."

So now - who do you think the "collateral damage" of the Tea Party will be...who will ultimately pay?

And your sources of this information are? Please, post a reliable source (a.k.a. not a liberal-biased media source) that proves this.

Ok, this much is true about Hamas, so I do agree with this.

Again, where is your source for this statement?

Ah yes, when all else fails just throw the race card in because that is the most valid argument out there.  ::)

With any luck, the Far Left will be the "collateral damage" of the Tea Party.

Gee, our Tea Party regularly has a black speaker come down.  Really smart guy.  And we supported a black running for a Congress seat.

The only racist anti-black stuff I've heard is from liberals trying to create it.

To be fair, I have heard anti-Obama "because he's Muslim" but then, he's sure looking sort of like a Muslim-liker these days...

+1

Another similarity with the Hamas vs Tea Party comparison:

A talking head on CNN just said that if Israel crushes Hamas, there's another way more radical group (ISIS) who could take over.

Here on the home front, the far right primaries any and all moderate republicans, calling them RINO's and smearing their reps, and pouring millions into the coffers of far right 'bagger candidates.  The GOP collapses and the Tea Party takes over. 

Scary thought, huh?

You say you want to compare the two…

Actually the comparison should be between the Liberals and Hamas…

Since Obama wanted Israel to surrender to Hamas, you have to realize the Liberals and Hamas are one and the same now… In order to be a liberal now you must support terrorist groups, terrorist states, and terrorism in general… Obama does :-)

So instead of replying to the responses to your OP and to the questions directed at you, you respond with more unsubstantiated BS?

listed the Tea Party platform and asked you questions, you ignored those questions but can you tell me how the above platform stance fits into the hamas terrorist platform and why you're afraid of it? Do you think tea party members are going to raid your home and slit your throat while you sleep ? Do you think that adherence to the Constitution when writing laws will drive you out of your home and your country like isis is doing? What is it about adhering to the Constitution that you fear ? Can you answer those questions or will you do your usual and reply with snark and off topic snipits from the news? I'll give you a few hours to read and comprehend the questions that others could read, comprehend and respond to in minutes in order to make it fair.

his brothers a terrorist, what do you expect…

Now granted the tea party, to a liberal would be similar to a terrorist group, but I don't see the tea party supporting the setting up of Islamic states, supporting terrorist over free nations…

The way the Liberals do…

Kind of wild isn't it… Never thought you'd be part of the terrorist supporting group did you?

But you are :-)

Zolace can't respond right now. He's too busy icing his burns and surfing the liberal "news" sites for more useless, biased, unsubstantiated, ignorance-filled talking points to post instead of actually arguing his case with legitimate information.

and the tea party... who do they plan on slaughtering??  as opposed to hamas and the isis?  your comparison is assinine.. but you know that already.... so sad that you can't see the differences between political ideaology and religious fanaticism that has no compunction about slaughtering their opponents...
color me shocked that you don't see the difference..

if hamas takes over:  mass murder, killing gays, subjugating women, religious oppression, killing christians, jews and anyone who does not adhere to their warped views...

if the tea party takes over:  try to lower government fiscal debt, small government interference, our freedoms will not be infringed upon, there will still be peaceful elections of our officials, ... and the best thing of all.. .NO MASS MURDER

I think this is a delayed response to my post about Warren and her liberal agenda and the political agenda of Hitler.... the similarities  are striking... while I was showing the comparison of political agendas, i never in any way compared the liberal agenda to mass murder... but  leave it to a liberal to compare a start up political party to a mass murdering religious sect....cause we all know that the tea party is all about murder....
its a stupid comparison.... but really, what do you expect from the original post.

I repeat:
They have stupid Americans now spouting Anti-American rhetoric, calling for impeachment - or even death - to our President because he is Black.  They encourage "armed insurrection" and "Second Amendment Solutions"

Yes, you ERW radicals have called for ALL of the above.  Now I realize that you are out of touch with reality these days, but the things I've listed above have come out of your mouths - and I see that it's upset you.  LOL

So, you've either let your fundamentalist religion - or your far right fringe politics turn you into Ugly American extremists.  Americans don't like extremism in any fashion.  So maybe you guys should just leave America because she doesn't deserve selfish, ugly, disloyal peoples like yourselves.

America doesn't deserve to be ripped apart by your racism or your ignorance.  But that's exactly what you are calling for.

Obama has cut spending, had to deal with Bush’s mess, does not have the SS surplus that Reagan, Bush and Bush used to hide much of their record deficits and much of Obama’s deficit is the caused by the shortage in the SS fund.   Then Obama has had to deal with Republicans’ promise to screw up everything until we get rid of the Black President.

 

So get this through your heads.  The Republicans are the one who waste money, they increase welfare (much of it is for the rich) and even with their record tax increases they set record deficits.

Good lord, why would you vote for a Republican?

They voted republican because Bush started two wars AND cut taxes at the same time, and they thought this was a grand idea.  That is the conservative's idea of sound fiscal policy. 

Actually we have to go back to LBJ and his war on poverty and his great society programs.

LBJ’s war on poverty was to use government surplus food to help the poor rather than spend money to store the food.

 

Nixon, better know as a crook and as a traitor, along with then Southern Democrats (now the Republican Party) are the ones who took welfare to the next level.

Spending has decreased from Obama's all time high record budget deficits because 5-6 years later the overseas conflicts have seen a reduction in troop allocations. And to illustrate a point, yes Bush was the type of neocon republican that campaigned on having a restrained foreign policy but who governed like an imperialist. He's the type of republican the OP would say other republicans refer to as a RINO. A RINO is someone who fools the party base into thinking they have conservative (fiscal) roots and then governs like a democrat. This is where the modern Tea Party came from: at the time a disgust by both republicans and democrats fed up w/ outrageous federal spending. However, since religious and social issues were injected into the TP and Fox and their buddy radio hosts hijacked it in many ways, they were able to spread division and liberals did their job of making their own hate the TP as some group the Koch brothers funds to screw over poor people. I'm more of the Liberty Movement type as that's unplugged from religious baggage and focuses solely on the Constitution and foreign non-intervention. Both the LM and TP are united when it comes to taking down RINOs who are fully backed by all the main corporatist interests that progressives claim to hate yet confuse the situation and actually prefer the RINOs to those in their party who are trying to shed the Bush-Cheney mantle piece. Weird.

In reality, cutting government spending w/ a meat hook and getting to resemble some semblance of Constitutionality would create opportunities across the board for everyone. Welfare programs, as an example, do nothing besides lock someone into a lifetime of dependency at no chance at upwardly movement. Charitable handups help out people in a pinch but would keep them trying to do better for continual help. When the government is paired back, that frees up plenty of money and cut regulations that allow businesses to prosper and expand and hire more. Now we just have part time, seasonal and minimum wage jobs available w/ little or no middle class jobs being offered. Lastly, not only should the budget be balanced like anyone else has to do but ya gotta start paying down the debt because if interest rates are hiked, then good bye to national defense and other current expenditures. It's been the Bush republicans and the fraudulent Obama progressives that have orchestrated every bailout from TARP to the Stimulus bullshit and all of it benefited corporate wall street interests while screwing over the average person and home owner. They've been driving up the cost of tuition on all young people by guaranteeing student loans which gives no incentive for colleges to cut costs. When government subsidizes something you always get more of it at a greater cost. Interesting that cell phones, tvs, computers, lasik and plastic surgery have come down in price over the years - all of which are low regulated markets. And the only way the government has been able to do all of the above and fight ridiculous wars all this time is because of the Federal Reserve monetizing the debt - aka counterfeiting money which kills savers and inflates the money supply. How in the world can anyone be involved in Bitcoin if they don't understand what it actually does and it's long term goal? It's honest money yet I bet the dyed in the whole lefties here that bend over backwards doing rolling donuts to confuse and obfuscate the situation are here only to ride the money train in their own greedy way rather than glowingly realize that Bitcoin is going to free the average person from corporate bankster interests that have been sucking everyone dry since at least 1913. And finally, since that time frame the government has only grown to epic proportions and less and less opportunities have been allotted to each subsequent generation. You can't deny that.

the two are politically misaligned though. the tea party is full of overzealous christians who love israel (it's in the bible after all), while hamas is obviously anti-israel

I am sure you can guess through my posts I am not a fan of socialism, obamacare, carbon tax pushers, etc, etc. For you to compare the Tea Party and hamas is the best way to push ourselves to actually define hamas. One wants less government in people's life, the other one TOTAL submission to a theocratic system. Even arab nations around the middle east cannot stand hamas and NONE of them likes Israel.  (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/world/middleeast/fighting-political-islam-arab-states-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html?_r=0)

Yet we need to believe the tea Party is worse than hamas because you don't like the conservative views? I am sure there are plenty of stuff you can find pointing to why the IRS was right to target the Tea Party, without telling the world you are supporting a terrorist organization, labelled as such by the obama government on its Foreign Terrorist Organizations website
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

 :D ;D :D

Did you know you've pretty much defined hamas just now?  :) ;)

Looks like it is a Tea Party website. Hooo Yes! But it is! :D ;D :D Good job associating yourselves with people who cannot stand a man because he is black...

I see the exact same tactics used by all political parties that promote Xenophobic Imperialism not just the right, please don't be another one of those people who conveniently ignores the crimes committed by 'their' side like so many people I've seen when they talk about who's right and who's wrong.

Canada: Tea Partier Shout “Heil Hitler” During Pro-Israel Rally In Calgary…(July 31 2014)

http://youtu.be/8vPla7pqqmQ

Obama should do something, even if this in Canada...

what can obama do? it's in canada, and even if it were in the U.S., they'd be protected under the first amendment.

I forgot to add those damned " ::) ::) ::) " They are not tea partiers, obvious when you click on the video.

So if you think American does something wrong and say that you stupid?  I don't support the Bachman, Palin type tea party because they are a fake clone that has successfully brainwashed people like yourself into believing the nonsense they spew.  You confuse Neocons in Tea Party clothing like most of those who don't understand the political games being played.  You even go as far as to compare them to a terrorist organization,  this is the real problem.

Lol comparing extremist groups and trying to find something in common.  Why not compare the LGBT fanatics versus the radical Muslims who want to kill people for being gay.  You think either of them would tolerate the other?   They both align into radical groups and I'm sure the LGBT group would be happy to bear arms against radical Muslims. You think LGBT would support Hamas?  Since LGBT isn't exactly friends with the Tea Party...

Anything touching islam is kryptonite for the pink mafia. Hamas is safe from them.

Still nothing but baseless accusations from zolace. No credible sources cited. I'm beginning to think he is nothing more than a troll.

I've always considered the Tea Party as like a Christian Taliban group for the 1%ers.

Anything funded by neocons like the Koch brothers can only mean bad news.

When asked specifically what items he disagreed with on the Tea Party platform and why he feared them the above is his response. Totally incapable of any intelligent debate or to even stand up and defend his claims.  But no one expected you to actually debate your claims or defend your stance because we all know that would take a few more brain cells that you posses.

We agree with much of what the Tea Party says.  We also agreed with the promises Reagan, Bush and Bush made.  It just that they all turned out to be lies.  We are still waiting for the Republicans’ no nation building, cuts in government spending, cuts in taxes and paying off the national debt.  You know the things that happen under the Democrats.

Then Bush’s wars, waste and tax cuts lead to inflation, the tax for mismanaging everything. It was this tax increase on the working class that triggered Bush’s Great Recession.  The Republicans mantra is “spend, tax and borrow”.

Debit has grown, you might ask the SENATE.  Four annual Budgets were not passed, do remember the law that was also changed.  You might take the time to ask what the motive is  or was about the budget.  Do remember that the budgit was stopped in the Senate, Democrate.

agree no one will debate for nothing to claim somthing .
btw as you know this story of men seems like old school story.

The War On Terra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNRIv82Jvfo  :)

For one, it's the TP folks that are trying to hold the republican establishment's line on caving on debt hikes over and above the true fiscal hawks in the liberty republican movement. Both of the parties have a political class and ruling elite and they both compromise our rights away. But to sit here and act like democrats are somehow different and that they are this savior of a party that cuts spending, doesn't nation build or pays off any portion of the national debt is beyond laughable. Currently, there isn't any identifiable element in the democratic party that stands for any of those things like there is and growing w/i the republican party. Why left leaning people don't admit that on one hand or give credit where credit is due on the other just flat out baffles me. The GOP establishment uses people of this mindset because they whip you all up about the non-establishment's supposed social views and then gets you all riled up to the point of meddling in GOP primaries to vote for the corporate bankster/special interest MIC establishment republicans that you supposedly hate. It's maddening. At least there's a growing anti-establishment status in the GOP that is looking to clean house, not so much on the left side is all they do is circle the wagons w/ drone talking points and fairy tales instead of lambasting the frauds on their side.

He's not a troll; AFAIK he's a progressive or something similar, which means he has to call out his party's boogieman from time to time to reaffirm his beliefs.  It's nothing to deliberately incite a reaction, people genuinely take this stuff seriously.  Divide and conquer tactics people mistake as ideology; in reality, they all support forced adherence to an authority (thus making it all the same fundamental ideology), the argument is just over how they'll adhere.

Captured Hamas Combat Manual Explains Benefits of Human Shields



A Hamas manual on "Urban Warfare" found by the Israeli Defense Forces makes it unmistakably clear that Hamas desires civilian casualties amongst its own people and encourages its fighters to engage in battles in civilian populated areas in order to draw an Israeli response.

"Where is the U.N. Human Rights Council? Where is Amnesty International? Where is Human Rights Watch? Where is the international media and Middle East pundits. Where are all the lawfare experts? Here is 'Exhibit A' to indict Hamas for war crimes and crimes against humanity by placing the people of Gaza as human shields," said Rabbis Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper, dean and founder and associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

IDF forces in the Gaza Strip found a Hamas manual on “Urban Warfare,” which belonged to the Shuja’iya Brigade of Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades. The manual explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and reveals that Hamas knows the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians.

Throughout Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has continuously used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. The discovery of a Hamas “urban warfare” manual by IDF forces reveals that Hamas’ callous use of the Gazan population was intentional and preplanned.

This Hamas urban warfare manual exposes two truths: (1) The terror group knows full well that the IDF will do what it can to limit civilian casualties. (2) The terror group exploits these efforts by using civilians as human shields against advancing IDF forces.

In a portion entitled “Limiting the Use of Weapons,” the manual explains that:

The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].

Clearly Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of weapons in order to avoid harming civilians, including refraining from using larger firepower to support for infantry.

The manual goes on to explain that the “presence of civilians are pockets of resistance” that cause three major problems for advancing troops:

(1) Problems with opening fire
(2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward
(3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it

Lastly, the manual discusses the benefits for Hamas when civilian homes are destroyed:

The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens towards the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces[i.e. Hamas]).

It is clear that Hamas actually desires the destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure, knowing it will increase hatred for the IDF and support their fighters.

http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/08/04/captured-hamas-combat-manual-explains-benefits-human-shields/

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Need to be compared with the Tea Party manual...

 

So 7 Trillion dollars in new debt is cutting spending and paying down the debt?