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Title: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: 247crypto on August 02, 2014, 08:45:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CRZn42cW_Q

Proofs:
1. Empty box of Food for tourists.
2. Aluminum box for food with sticker "LDPR".
3. Cacao powder.
4. Box with meat from supermarket.
5. Flag of bikers club.

That are the best hard proofs of highest PR of Kiev Maidan lunatics.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: TaunSew on August 02, 2014, 08:59:49 PM
EU lifted their arms ban, that was originally imposed on Yano, on Ukraine today.  Ukraine to get Leopard II?  How can Ukraine pay when they have no money?  Easy - they'll just get an IMF loan or money that goes to Israel will be redirected to buy tanks for Ukrainians.   :D



Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: Mobius on August 03, 2014, 04:07:03 AM
I don't think it was any secret that Russia was supplying weapons to the Ukraine. I am not sure why they bothered to disguise the weapons like this. The separatists are generally known to be backed by Russia.   


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: vleroybrown on August 03, 2014, 06:19:12 AM
why not.. they tested shit on the entire population


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: Balthazar on August 03, 2014, 09:11:30 AM
I don't think it was any secret that Russia was supplying weapons to the Ukraine.
I don't think it was any secret that 247crypto loves to rape children.

The separatists are generally known to be backed by Russia.  
Bitcointalk users are generally known to be backed by Ku Klux Klan, NSDAP and malevolent aliens.

These statements are similar essentially, isn't it? The most amusing here is that so many people are willing to accept such arguments like "we all know, that ..." as an excuse for blatant accusations without any evidence of whatsoever. :D



Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: libivan on August 03, 2014, 09:53:56 AM
(...)
These statements are similar essentially, isn't it? The most amusing here is that so many people are willing to accept such arguments like "we all know, that ..." as an excuse for blatant accusations without any evidence of whatsoever. :D


The fact is that people NEED to be blind. They don't want to be taken away from their cnn fairy tale world.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: blablahblah on August 03, 2014, 01:53:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CRZn42cW_Q

Proofs:
1. Empty box of Food for tourists.
2. Aluminum box for food with sticker "LDPR".
3. Cacao powder.
4. Box with meat from supermarket.
5. Flag of bikers club.

That are the best hard proofs of highest PR of Kiev Maidan lunatics.

No, the best evidence is extremely simple: the Russians openly love and admire and feel warm and fuzzy inside regarding the suspected murderers who control Lugansk~Donetsk. The Russians also despise the Ukrainians for some unknown reason. A "smoking gun" is only part of the story. When analysing evidence, one must also look at things like motive and intent. Even if there's no evidence yet, or it has been censored by the Russian state media, it's obviously that you would support those rebels.

You provide your own examples by hateful name-calling: "Maidan lunatics".


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: blablahblah on August 03, 2014, 01:57:20 PM
I will ask the OP directly: if the rebels controlling Lugansk asked for your assistance, for example by providing food packages so that they don't go hungry while shooting at the Ukrainians, would you help them?

Yes or no?


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: bitsmichel on August 03, 2014, 01:59:27 PM
I will ask the OP directly: if the rebels controlling Lugansk asked for your assistance, for example by providing food packages so that they don't go hungry while shooting at the Ukrainians, would you help them?

Yes or no?

The rebels are Ukrainians too, they are born there; it's a civil war supported by foreign countries. I don't think there will be peace any time soon, especially with Nazis being supported.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: blablahblah on August 03, 2014, 02:19:57 PM
I will ask the OP directly: if the rebels controlling Lugansk asked for your assistance, for example by providing food packages so that they don't go hungry while shooting at the Ukrainians, would you help them?

Yes or no?

The rebels are Ukrainians too, they are born there;
Unless they're under the age of 22, I think most of them would have been born in the USSR. And how many of them are able to or bother to speak the Ukrainian language?

Quote
it's a civil war supported by foreign countries. I don't think there will be peace any time soon, especially with Nazis being supported.
The main source of funding appears to be Putin and his gas company.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: bitsmichel on August 03, 2014, 02:43:01 PM
I will ask the OP directly: if the rebels controlling Lugansk asked for your assistance, for example by providing food packages so that they don't go hungry while shooting at the Ukrainians, would you help them?

Yes or no?

The rebels are Ukrainians too, they are born there;
Unless they're under the age of 22, I think most of them would have been born in the USSR. And how many of them are able to or bother to speak the Ukrainian language?

Quote
it's a civil war supported by foreign countries. I don't think there will be peace any time soon, especially with Nazis being supported.
The main source of funding appears to be Putin and his gas company.

To me, Ukrainian and Russian are very similar languages. I forgot about the USSR but technically they've been living in the Ukraine for the past 22 years. Nevertheless, the outcomes of this war are not going to be good for Ukraine - they will be controlled by European Union or Russia, not an independent state.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: 247crypto on August 03, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
I will ask the OP directly: if the rebels controlling Lugansk asked for your assistance, for example by providing food packages so that they don't go hungry while shooting at the Ukrainians, would you help them?

Yes or no?
They ask for humanitarian and military help and for peace troops. They call activists for join military structures.

I send no money for humanitarian or military help to DNR/LNR.
 http://dnr.today/contacts/


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: 247crypto on August 03, 2014, 03:47:57 PM
I don't think it was any secret that 247crypto loves to rape children.

You will become financial slave of me? Police need more proofs, than cacao powder and empty aluminum cans...  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: Mobius on August 03, 2014, 04:27:52 PM
I will ask the OP directly: if the rebels controlling Lugansk asked for your assistance, for example by providing food packages so that they don't go hungry while shooting at the Ukrainians, would you help them?

Yes or no?

The rebels are Ukrainians too, they are born there;
Unless they're under the age of 22, I think most of them would have been born in the USSR. And how many of them are able to or bother to speak the Ukrainian language?

Quote
it's a civil war supported by foreign countries. I don't think there will be peace any time soon, especially with Nazis being supported.
The main source of funding appears to be Putin and his gas company.

To me, Ukrainian and Russian are very similar languages. I forgot about the USSR but technically they've been living in the Ukraine for the past 22 years. Nevertheless, the outcomes of this war are not going to be good for Ukraine - they will be controlled by European Union or Russia, not an independent state.

Europe wants Ukraine to be an independent nation. The conflict in the Ukraine was generally started when Ukraine signed a trade agreement with Europe that would result in the Ukraine trading with Europe more and Russia less.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: 247crypto on August 03, 2014, 04:37:32 PM
when Ukraine signed a trade agreement with Europe

Oh. EU is a part of Europe, some half or less. But Kiev have signed nothing...

Why "an independent nation" need signed strange agreements?

What EU buy from Kiev now? (Please with numbers.)


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: bitsmichel on August 03, 2014, 04:40:46 PM
I will ask the OP directly: if the rebels controlling Lugansk asked for your assistance, for example by providing food packages so that they don't go hungry while shooting at the Ukrainians, would you help them?

Yes or no?

The rebels are Ukrainians too, they are born there;
Unless they're under the age of 22, I think most of them would have been born in the USSR. And how many of them are able to or bother to speak the Ukrainian language?

Quote
it's a civil war supported by foreign countries. I don't think there will be peace any time soon, especially with Nazis being supported.
The main source of funding appears to be Putin and his gas company.

To me, Ukrainian and Russian are very similar languages. I forgot about the USSR but technically they've been living in the Ukraine for the past 22 years. Nevertheless, the outcomes of this war are not going to be good for Ukraine - they will be controlled by European Union or Russia, not an independent state.

Europe wants Ukraine to be an independent nation. The conflict in the Ukraine was generally started when Ukraine signed a trade agreement with Europe that would result in the Ukraine trading with Europe more and Russia less.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, the EU couldn't care less - except for money. It could go the same path as Cyprus or Greece.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: blablahblah on August 03, 2014, 06:13:41 PM
when Ukraine signed a trade agreement with Europe

Oh. EU is a part of Europe, some half or less. But Kiev have signed nothing...

Why "an independent nation" need signed strange agreements?

What EU buy from Kiev now? (Please with numbers.)

We have already discussed this, but for some reason your brain seems unable to comprehend basic economics.

The whole point of a trade agreement would have been to establish some ground rules with which to start trading. Russia simply wants to keep using the Ukraine as a source of cheap labour. They (Russia) don't want the prices of low-cost Ukrainian products to go up, because that would be expensive and annoying for Russia.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: 247crypto on August 03, 2014, 07:20:20 PM
when Ukraine signed a trade agreement with Europe

Oh. EU is a part of Europe, some half or less. But Kiev have signed nothing...

Why "an independent nation" need signed strange agreements?

What EU buy from Kiev now? (Please with numbers.)

We have already discussed this, but for some reason your brain seems unable to comprehend basic economics.

The whole point of a trade agreement would have been to establish some ground rules with which to start trading. Russia simply wants to keep using the Ukraine as a source of cheap labour. They (Russia) don't want the prices of low-cost Ukrainian products to go up, because that would be expensive and annoying for Russia.

For start of trading someone need have things and other part need have interest to buy this thing and need delivery money.
What are numbers of 2014 in confront with 2013 of Ukrainian export to EU?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–European_Union_Association_Agreement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–European_Union_Association_Agreement)


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: blablahblah on August 03, 2014, 07:44:59 PM
when Ukraine signed a trade agreement with Europe

Oh. EU is a part of Europe, some half or less. But Kiev have signed nothing...

Why "an independent nation" need signed strange agreements?

What EU buy from Kiev now? (Please with numbers.)

We have already discussed this, but for some reason your brain seems unable to comprehend basic economics.

The whole point of a trade agreement would have been to establish some ground rules with which to start trading. Russia simply wants to keep using the Ukraine as a source of cheap labour. They (Russia) don't want the prices of low-cost Ukrainian products to go up, because that would be expensive and annoying for Russia.

For start of trading someone need have things and other part need have interest to buy this thing and need delivery money.
What are numbers of 2014 in confront with 2013 of Ukrainian export to EU?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–European_Union_Association_Agreement

I won't let you avoid the point so easily.
If the Ukraine is such a worthless desert, then why does Putin want it so badly?

How many people does the Ukraine have? About 45 million? Most of them would probably be happy to work for the equivalent of 10 euros per day, maybe less. I'm sure they could find something to export.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: blablahblah on August 03, 2014, 07:50:38 PM
Furthermore, the EU market is at least 8 times bigger than the Russian market, so there is no way that continued isolation would be favourable for the Ukraine.

Protectionism and isolation is also bad for Russia, but I guess that the former Communists in the Kremlin, and Putin's idols, are just stubborn old fools.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: 247crypto on August 03, 2014, 07:53:21 PM
I'm sure they could find something to export.

You are talking about things where You are totally incompetent.
Show numbers of Ukrainian export of Years 2011-2012-2013-2014.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: Balthazar on August 04, 2014, 01:02:09 AM
To me, Ukrainian and Russian are very similar languages.
Ukrainian language was derived from western dialect of russian language, in XVII century it even had used "pycькa мoвa" ("Russian language") as an endonym.

That's why the most of russian speaking people (especially from southern regions) have restricted capabilities to read ukrainian texts, but sometimes these texts could cause a cognitive dissonance or even uncontrolled laugh. It's hard to explain but it feels like reading the message written ages ago.

However, it's closer to polish than modern russian. It preserved and uses the vocative case, for example, while in russian language the vocative case is considered obsolete and rarely used.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 04, 2014, 06:22:16 AM
Sarcasm aside, had Putin at least offered some support to the People's Republics of Lugansk and Donetsk, then the situation would have been much different now. He has cheated the ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Perhaps he cares only for the unwashed Central Asian hordes... who roam around the streets and slums of Moscow and St Petersburg.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: Balthazar on August 04, 2014, 06:27:32 AM
Bad idea because the both US & EU needs an excuse to dump their current economic issues on own citizens. Panic scream about "Russian intervention" would be the best one. So the best option is to make Kiev weaker without direct intervention and wait what will happen. Because it will make EU & US weaker too.

Some steps have been taken already, such as decriminalization of mercenary activity for those who went to the Donbass.

http://segodnya.novostimira.com/n_6402805.html

If you're russian citizen and you wish to fight on the rebellion side then you're not a criminal anymore.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 04, 2014, 07:00:44 AM
Very very significant news. Massive defection of Ukrainian Army units to Russia. 438 Ukrainian soldiers, including some 164 Ukrainian border guards defected to Russia a few hours ago.

http://rt.com/news/177740-ukrainian-military-russia-refuge

The defected soldiers were apparently trapped in a rebel offensive, with their supply lines cut.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: Balthazar on August 04, 2014, 10:27:56 AM
Very very significant news. Massive defection of Ukrainian Army units to Russia. 438 Ukrainian soldiers, including some 164 Ukrainian border guards defected to Russia a few hours ago.

http://rt.com/news/177740-ukrainian-military-russia-refuge

The defected soldiers were apparently trapped in a rebel offensive, with their supply lines cut.
http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/2b/64/c0/00/ukrainian-military-russia-refuge.si.jpg

Ha, I've seen this guy in sunglasses before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxNNiFpchKM

He warned Kiev that he's ready to make a GTFO suggestion.

not that Russian propaganda shit.
Is there any credible proof links about that? I mean something that was proven, not just said by another blahblahblah.

And not the Russian-owned "Independent" either.
Your blind prejudice is a good source of funny copy-paste stuff, thank you for your hard work. :D


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: Victorius on August 04, 2014, 10:33:48 AM
To me, Ukrainian and Russian are very similar languages.
Ukrainian language was derived from western dialect of russian language, in XVII century it even had used "pycькa мoвa" ("Russian language") as an endonym.

But the Soviet Union was not 19th century "Russia", and today's "Russia" is not the Soviet Union. The Ukraine is not historically 'yours', you had no right to annex Crimea, or attack Georgia, or do anything to anybody.

I guess if America has those rights than everyone can have them.
Why should Russia just look at what America is doing around the world, it makes sense that they take action when US came at their border and it directly affects 40 million people of russian nationality.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: Balthazar on August 04, 2014, 10:47:56 AM
To me, Ukrainian and Russian are very similar languages.
Ukrainian language was derived from western dialect of russian language, in XVII century it even had used "pycькa мoвa" ("Russian language") as an endonym.

But the Soviet Union was not 19th century "Russia", and today's "Russia" is not the Soviet Union. The Ukraine is not historically 'yours', you had no right to annex Crimea, or attack Georgia, or do anything to anybody.
Lol, who talks here about soviet union, the crimea or annexation of anything? Was ist das fuer die Scheisse? You're the moronic clown, you even have no idea what we're talking about. Especially for you I have to mention that it was a message about the differences between languages.  ;D


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: GamersBitcoin on August 04, 2014, 11:24:26 AM
(...)
These statements are similar essentially, isn't it? The most amusing here is that so many people are willing to accept such arguments like "we all know, that ..." as an excuse for blatant accusations without any evidence of whatsoever. :D


The fact is that people NEED to be blind. They don't want to be taken away from their cnn fairy tale world.

and thats all nothing without they act like not hear any opinion question about them .
curious what a step he doing.


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: vleroybrown on August 08, 2014, 02:37:43 PM
Test the idea of crowdsourcing all government functions.  I am ready to fund bankcoin, copcoin, courtcoin, hbombcoin, etc..


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 08, 2014, 03:50:45 PM
Very very significant news. Massive defection of Ukrainian Army units to Russia. 438 Ukrainian soldiers, including some 164 Ukrainian border guards defected to Russia a few hours ago.

http://rt.***
::)

And I guess we can also read about Palestinian deaths in a Rupert Murdoch newspaper?

Give us some credible links, not that Russian propaganda shit. And not the Russian-owned "Independent" either.

BBC and CNN good enough for you? Here is the coverage from BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28637569

And here is the article from New York Post.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/04/400-ukrainian-soldiers-desert-kiev-cross-into-russia/


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: Schleicher on August 08, 2014, 06:26:12 PM
Very very significant news. Massive defection of Ukrainian Army units to Russia. 438 Ukrainian soldiers, including some 164 Ukrainian border guards defected to Russia a few hours ago.

http://rt.***
::)

And I guess we can also read about Palestinian deaths in a Rupert Murdoch newspaper?
Give us some credible links, not that Russian propaganda shit. And not the Russian-owned "Independent" either.
BBC and CNN good enough for you? Here is the coverage from BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28637569
And here is the article from New York Post.
http://nypost.com/2014/08/04/400-ukrainian-soldiers-desert-kiev-cross-into-russia/
Fake: hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers deserted to Russia and asked for asylum there (http://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-hundreds-of-ukrainian-soldiers-deserted-to-russia-and-asked-for-asylum-there/)


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: Nemo1024 on August 08, 2014, 08:35:11 PM
Canada sent a planeload of non-lethal (yeah, right) weapons to Ukraine. Presumably to facilitate the Nazi Kiev government in their genocide of the Russian population.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canada-sending-military-equipment-to-ukraine-for-border-security/article19952287/


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 11:33:42 PM


By "genocide", do you mean something like this??:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm (http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm)

Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-1933  7,000,000 deaths

How much deaths in Lvov region?


Title: Re: Breaking News. Russia is busted with delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 09, 2014, 07:03:02 AM
How much deaths in Lvov region?

Less than 10.

Most of the deaths were reported from the ethnic Russian inhabited regions such as Kazakhstan, Rostov, Volgograd, Donetsk and Lugansk. Lvov residents had surplus food. But never bothered to help their compatriots.