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Title: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: hayseed on August 03, 2014, 01:18:35 AM Check out their prior antics
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569821.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569926.0 http://www.chimicles.com/advanced-mining-technology-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-litigation Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: clenell on August 03, 2014, 03:24:26 AM DO NOT ORDER FROM amt MINERS. JOSHUA ZIPKIN, THE OWNER, IS A CROOK AND A LIAR. HE OWES MANY PEOPLE FOR ORDERS THAT WERE PLACED LAST YEAR!
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: hayseed on August 03, 2014, 05:15:11 PM Add a post to keep this on the top of the lists.
Looks like they now want to get money for the parts that other people paid for and never received. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: AMT_miners on August 03, 2014, 07:22:44 PM Hey Guys,
For most of you which don't know us we are AMT (Advanced Mining Technologies). We're a bitcoin miner manufacturer located outside of Philadelphia, PA. We originally started manufacturing and assembling in Philadelphia with a few SMT houses around the area (see image section 1). In short, one of them botched the job completely, causing us to loose over a quarter of a million in pre-sold funds when they produced faulty equipment. But like any manufacturing run, you purchase everything needed to build a miner while your SMT is building your board. We did buy a surplus of equipment for assembly, testing, experimental purposes, case selection and more. Now we've moved SMT manufacturing to Europe and Asia to cut costs, but we still keep some assembly operations based in Philadelphia (Jenkintown to be exact, right up route 611 if your coming from downtown). Because our factory in asia (see image section 2) is able to take care of just about everything (the way it should be done) and we've recently just shipped all outstanding orders to clients, we are liquidating some of the extra surplus equipment we have in the Philadelphia office/warehouse/our garages. From demo miners, to power supplies, to computer cases and more, we have a decent amount to unload. We figured we'd give the coin community a go at it first before listing everything on ebay. We'll accept Paypal (via an email paypal invoice) or Bitcoin (via a bitpay email invoice) or cash on the spot of course if your close enough to pickup. Receipts will be given for all equipment purchases. Bulk purchases are welcome and pricing is negotiable, but do please remember we often paid top dollar and ordered these items at express costs with the intent to assemble and ship quickly based on the failed SMT's expectation of the boards delivery times. (Image section 1) http://s22.postimg.org/8n3suwj99/1926673_10106104961624854_1684826230_n.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/8n3suwj99/)http://s22.postimg.org/vaj211yt9/1970669_10106104958655804_2071236796_n.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/vaj211yt9/) -- (Image section 2) http://s28.postimg.org/skxkftw6x/SAM_0192.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/skxkftw6x/)http://s28.postimg.org/3sxy8lf09/SAM_0196.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/3sxy8lf09/)http://s28.postimg.org/kuqsaotvd/SAM_0211.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/kuqsaotvd/)http://s28.postimg.org/v6353clkp/SAM_0212.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/v6353clkp/)http://s28.postimg.org/o49suw7cp/SAM_0238.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/o49suw7cp/) We'll try to break this down in an organized way by section of equipment and post images accordingly. Shipping is not included, but if you have a UPS, FEDEX, or DHL account we can ship and bill to your account. Or preferably you create a label and we'll just bring it out throw it on the package and ship. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: AMT_miners on August 03, 2014, 07:54:19 PM http://s30.postimg.org/6robig12l/SAM_0181.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6robig12l/) http://s30.postimg.org/xe0s7f59p/SAM_0182.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/xe0s7f59p/) http://s30.postimg.org/lq6qcvg4t/SAM_0186.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/lq6qcvg4t/)
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Don't know why they think they can post their ad's in a topic warning about their scam ??? Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: crashoveride54902 on August 03, 2014, 09:43:26 PM More links added in top post. Don't know why they think they can post their ad's in a topic warning about their scam ??? to try and silence all the negativity of their prior scams? I hope nobody buys from them again Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: numnutz2009 on August 04, 2014, 12:22:07 AM More links added in top post. Don't know why they think they can post their ad's in a topic warning about their scam ??? to try and silence all the negativity of their prior scams? I hope nobody buys from them again or only pay them if u can drive up there and forcefully take whats rightfully urs lol. I hope no one pays them in btc. there r too many scammers in the btc community ;(. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: Deja on August 04, 2014, 03:20:59 AM Quote from: AMT_miners We'll accept Paypal (via an email paypal invoice) or Bitcoin (via a bitpay email invoice) Everyone needs to be aware that making payment by either method quoted above CANNOT be reversed (charged back), don't think you are safe with Paypal unless you use a credit card as paying via an email invoice in NOT REVERSABLE. You can't do a chargeback if you pay through a paypal invoice >:( Just a heads up for you guys ;) Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: bobsag3 on August 04, 2014, 03:29:56 AM Quote from: AMT_miners We'll accept Paypal (via an email paypal invoice) or Bitcoin (via a bitpay email invoice) Everyone needs to be aware that making payment by either method quoted above CANNOT be reversed (charged back), don't think you are safe with Paypal unless you use a credit card as paying via an email invoice in NOT REVERSABLE. You can't do a chargeback if you pay through a paypal invoice >:( Just a heads up for you guys ;) Yes you can. Have done it plenty of times. Any charge on a CC can pretty much be charged back. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: techgeek on August 04, 2014, 03:49:47 AM You cant stop a charge back lol. ::)
To only stop that happening you need to call the issuers for the valid charge and include proof. Or they will side with the chargeback being valid etc. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: Deja on August 04, 2014, 03:55:55 AM Yes you can. Have done it plenty of times. Any charge on a CC can pretty much be charged back. You cant stop a charge back lol. ::) To only stop that happening you need to call the issuers for the valid charge and include proof. Or they will side with the chargeback being valid etc. I think you both missed the part where I said UNLESS YOU USE A CREDIT CARD ::) Paying a paypal invoice sent to you through email CANNOT be reversed UNLESS you use a credit card ;) You need to read things properly otherwise you just make yourselves look silly :D Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: AMT_miners on August 04, 2014, 06:27:25 AM PAY US WITH CREDIT CARDS VIA PAYPAL! IT IS REVERSIBLE, AND YOU CAN DO A CHARGE BACK!
ORDER WITH ESCROW VIA BTC IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE US. ORDER WITH CASH ON DELIVERY. ALL NEW PURCHASES ARE REFUNDABLE UP TO 7 DAYS. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS OR THE MINER DOESN'T WORK. SHIP IT BACK AND WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR MONEY BACK WITHIN 7 DAYS. OTHERWISE YOU COULD JUST MINE FOR FREE AND BE LIKE, I WANT MY MONEY BACK RIGHT. IF YOU'RE CLOSE TO PHILLY, COME TO THE OFFICE, TEST IT AND PICK IT UP. WE ARE NOT SCAMMERS, WE JUST STARTED THIS BUSINESS A YEAR A GO AND RAN INTO TROUBLE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, ACCEPT WE DIDNT ROLE OVER AND GO BANKRUPT LIKE ALL THE OTHER US COMPANIES, WE KEPT TRYING AND NOW WE HAVE A STEADY MANUFACTURING LINE THAT NO ONE IN AMERICA CAN FUCK WITH. PAYPAL, CC, ESCROW, COD. AS COMFORTABLE AS WE CAN MAKE IT FOR YOU WE WILL. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: AMT_miners on August 04, 2014, 06:45:33 AM http://s28.postimg.org/w3scl2bah/SAM_0123.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/w3scl2bah/)http://s28.postimg.org/6z1c7nbu1/SAM_0124.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6z1c7nbu1/)
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Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: AMT_miners on August 04, 2014, 04:03:40 PM JOSHUA ZIPKIN, THE OWNER OF AMT MINERS HAS STOLEN MONEY FROM ME. HE IS A LIAR. HE IS A CON ARTIST. HE RUNS THE MOST CORRUPT COMPANY I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED IN MY 40+ YEARS. And now we we'll start litigation against Craig Lenell personally. After giving him several warnings, and several notices to stop his crap, enough is enough. Craig you'll be served sometime next week. We don't need to explain ourselves again, our story has been told 50 times over. Back ordered miners are shipped and on their way to everyone's doorstep. Even lead plaintiffs at this point. We would not continue selling (just like we haven't for the last few months) until the majority of our backlogged ordered. Hate us if you want, theres nothing more we can do about it. honestly its about who can build and drop ship a working miner at this point, and if you can pay with a secure form of payment. And of course the price. We're sorry about the first 200 some clients, and will do what ever we can to satisfy them without going out of business in the process. Support us and help us grow so we can help meet MPP one day. Or bring us down every time we put something up for sale and kill your chances of ROI. Eitherway, this fiasco has ruined one of our marriages, put us all in personal debt for the next god know hows long and well, turned to be a terrible situation. But we're not bankrupting like hashfast, we're delivering miners. Support us or get out of our way. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: Gleb Gamow on August 04, 2014, 04:12:59 PM JOSHUA ZIPKIN, THE OWNER OF AMT MINERS HAS STOLEN MONEY FROM ME. HE IS A LIAR. HE IS A CON ARTIST. HE RUNS THE MOST CORRUPT COMPANY I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED IN MY 40+ YEARS. And now we we'll start litigation against Craig Lenell personally. After giving him several warnings, and several notices to stop his crap, enough is enough. Craig you'll be served sometime next week. We don't need to explain ourselves again, our story has been told 50 times over. Back ordered miners are shipped and on their way to everyone's doorstep. Even lead plaintiffs at this point. We would not continue selling (just like we haven't for the last few months) until the majority of our backlogged ordered. Hate us if you want, theres nothing more we can do about it. honestly its about who can build and drop ship a working miner at this point, and if you can pay with a secure form of payment. And of course the price. We're sorry about the first 200 some clients, and will do what ever we can to satisfy them without going out of business in the process. Support us and help us grow so we can help meet MPP one day. Or bring us down every time we put something up for sale and kill your chances of ROI. Eitherway, this fiasco has ruined one of our marriages, put us all in personal debt for the next god know hows long and well, turned to be a terrible situation. But we're not bankrupting like hashfast, we're delivering miners. Support us or get out of our way. I am so glad to hear that one of your marriages has been ruined. Look on the bright side, she was probably out sucking dicks while her venerable man was working his ass off for AMT, but now its customers are blame for the demise as well. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: crashoveride54902 on August 04, 2014, 04:22:15 PM You can't sue if it's true hehe...or you can try n lose...Ya do that..waste more money
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: Billbags on August 10, 2014, 08:30:32 PM So AMT miners will steal your money and then sue you? Sounds like a great company to do business with.
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: rogerdonkey on August 11, 2014, 01:45:17 AM amt miners scam?
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: hayseed on August 11, 2014, 01:57:33 AM amt miners scam? Read the links in the first post. Then https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723233.0 Their so called auction where they keep changing the terms and jerking around the winners. This is recent. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: Billbags on August 12, 2014, 05:15:23 PM I think I remember these guys. Didn't they have a YouTube video hooking a technobit bitfury board to that buggy hexminer sortware on a laptop claiming it was their technology? Those pictures on this post look like generic A1's and some other generic rack mount. That board says Bitmine-AMT. Bitmine? Seriously?
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: clenell on August 13, 2014, 01:37:00 PM These are the lies told to me by Joshua Zipkin, owner and crook extraordinaire, of AMT miners
1. they lied about my initial delivery date 2. they lied about updating this thread every week 3. they lied about keeping an order queue 4. they lied about mailing me a refund 5. they lied about wiring me a refund 6. they have lied about saying they would hire people from this forum (twice) 7. they lied about something as dumb as being associated with Freemasons 8. they lied about my second delivery date 9. they lied about being able to pay with credit cards on their website 10. THEY LIED ABOUT PAYING BRUNO 20btc 11. zipkin lied about saying he was going to ship my miner as "punishment" for calling him out on this website and amazon.com 12. they lied about the wattage 13. josh said he was starting his "own forum"... just another lie. 14. they lied about saying they would hire someone to answer/help with phone calls and emails. 15. i think i can safely say AMT has lied about their MPP. They have shown no willingness to make up for late delivery and subsequent difficulty increases. 16. josh lied about "selling" a miner to bruno. he then turns around and admits to sabotaging the miner by increasing the voltage to 0.96. 17. they lied about supplying me a new tracking number today 4/1/14. 18. NO certified (ISO or any other) facility being used in the manufacture of these miners. rumor has it he was assembling them in his parents house. lol 19. AMT claimed the boards were tested and were running fine. LIE! 20. zipkin knowingly mailed out broken hardware to get agencies off his ass. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: Gleb Gamow on August 16, 2014, 03:21:18 PM LEAK! Quote [7/8/2014 7:55:38 PM] customer2: [Monday, July 7, 2014 10:39 PM] Joshua: <<< but im still delivering dragon miners to existing customers[Monday, July 7, 2014 10:39 PM] Joshua: <<< i cant give them a selection from a legal standpoint, the lawyers tell me just ship everyone the same miner and produce them for as cheap as possibleThis stays here for now of course. LEAK! Quote [7/16/2014 8:28:17 AM] Joshua: black arrow, assic miner fractory showed me around Quote [7/21/2014 6:36:56 PM] Joshua: yea most of the miners went out Quote [7/21/2014 6:57:18 PM] Joshua: idealy we're not keeping to the MPP [7/21/2014 6:57:26 PM] Joshua: there is just no way, thats why we never mention naything about [7/21/2014 6:57:28 PM] Joshua: it LEAK! Quote [7/27/2014 2:08:45 PM] Joshua: they've all been shipped [7/27/2014 2:09:05 PM] Joshua: tomorrow is the last batch that goes out and its with DHL already [7/27/2014 2:09:25 PM] customer2: well no tracking record in my in0box and believe same for customer1.. [7/27/2014 2:09:26 PM] Joshua: its 5-7 days ship time [7/27/2014 2:09:35 PM] Joshua: yea were too lazy to do that [7/27/2014 2:09:38 PM] Joshua: lol [7/27/2014 2:10:06 PM] Joshua: plus we dont want to receive "sorry I will not accept your miner, please give me a refund" [7/27/2014 2:10:30 PM] Joshua: its smarter, trust me LEAK! Quote [7/27/2014 2:10:30 PM] Joshua: its smarter, trust me [7/27/2014 2:11:04 PM] customer2: Well, like an bastard child showing up at a doorstep in a basket, can't do much about it.. [7/27/2014 2:11:12 PM] Joshua: right [7/27/2014 2:11:22 PM] Joshua: proof of shipment and receipt. [7/27/2014 2:11:31 PM] Joshua: cants sue me individually after that [7/27/2014 2:12:07 PM] Joshua: and the class action gets dropped because all miners have been received accept for lead plaintiffs [7/27/2014 2:13:10 PM] Joshua: also plaintifs councel does not have a chance to ammend their "faulty" equipment claim because we have the last right of claim or w/e [7/27/2014 2:14:06 PM] Joshua: AMT is the only company to beat a class action, and nowthe only company making standarized casing with 4 different chips [7/27/2014 2:14:14 PM] Joshua: now all i need is clients rights [7/27/2014 2:14:40 PM] Joshua: we got the 2u A1/A2 stable and working now [7/27/2014 2:14:43 PM] Joshua: looks great too LEAK! Quote [7/27/2014 3:16:26 PM | Edited 3:16:41 PM] customer2: Josh - need to edit Craigs name to the forum one unless you have proof of permission to use. Just dotting the legals... [7/27/2014 3:16:50 PM] Joshua: fuck the legals, ive already won [7/27/2014 3:17:02 PM] Joshua: but ill change it to his username [7/27/2014 3:17:12 PM] customer2: (y) [7/27/2014 3:18:35 PM] customer2: 'Poking the Geek in a cage' may be fun but not a good idea these days. Damn lawyers... D [7/27/2014 3:18:53 PM] Joshua: my lawyers say we've already won [7/27/2014 3:19:05 PM] Joshua: the other lawyers dont want to pursue the case [7/27/2014 3:19:10 PM] customer2: w00t! [7/27/2014 3:19:33 PM] Joshua: unless someone steps up and throws them 100k in legal fees they're pulling out [7/27/2014 3:19:42 PM] Joshua: thats why craig is so loud these days cause he knows that LEAK! Quote [7/27/2014 3:21:10 PM] Joshua: im gonna start running this like the online casino businesses, offshore companies with CC processing [7/27/2014 3:21:24 PM] Joshua: ah and the financing program came through lol [7/27/2014 3:21:29 PM] customer2: (ninja) [7/27/2014 3:21:31 PM] Joshua: after 3-4 months [7/27/2014 3:21:39 PM] Joshua: but again,no people [7/27/2014 10:53:33 PM] customer1: FYI biomech has a point on the whole insulting clients back [7/27/2014 10:53:36 PM] customer1: Makes sense [7/27/2014 10:53:43 PM] customer1: As frusterating as it is to do otherwise [7/27/2014 11:01:24 PM | Edited 11:02:08 PM] customer2: ja. At least the part on Lenell being last in line is appropo and his own doing though. And not even out of 'geting back' spite. As a litigants I doubt AMT is even allowed to send him rigs untill his case is settled. [7/27/2014 11:01:49 PM] Joshua: im really going to sue him [7/27/2014 11:01:58 PM] Joshua: hes poor he doesnt have the money to fight it [7/27/2014 11:02:17 PM] Joshua: he just doesnt shut up [7/27/2014 11:07:15 PM] Joshua: I just wanna sue everyone [7/27/2014 11:07:19 PM] Joshua: Lol [7/27/2014 11:07:39 PM] Joshua: Because everyone is suing me LEAK! Quote [7/30/2014 10:07:22 AM] customer1: good morning all. Any updates? [7/30/2014 10:08:22 AM | Edited 10:19:47 AM] customer2: <scans horizon> None sighted yet (headbang)... (smoking) [7/30/2014 10:36:55 AM] Joshua: they are like stuck in hong kong [7/30/2014 10:37:15 AM] Joshua: ok..honestly [7/30/2014 10:37:33 AM] Joshua: we halted them in hong kong because we made like a naughty and nice list ofclients right [7/30/2014 10:37:38 AM] Joshua: and thats how we formed the batches [7/30/2014 10:37:51 AM] Joshua: the naughty list didnt have Psu's [7/30/2014 10:37:59 AM] Joshua: the lawyers said we had to ship with PSU's [7/30/2014 10:38:12 AM] Joshua: so we bought psu'sandhave been installingthem in all day in hong kong [7/30/2014 10:38:21 AM] Joshua: the others with PSU's shipped [7/30/2014 10:38:31 AM] Joshua: like..customer2ards and ISAWHIMs.. [7/30/2014 10:38:51 AM] Joshua: i can ship two of the rackmount to customer1 as well [7/30/2014 10:39:00 AM] Joshua: since this half [7/30/2014 10:39:01 AM] Joshua: halt [7/30/2014 11:29:30 AM] customer1: lol so Im on the naughty list? LEAK! Quote [8/4/2014 12:07:05 PM] Joshua: its the least i can now that they other room is up [8/4/2014 12:09:31 PM] Joshua: see that though, we try and start selling on the forum and they flip out again [8/4/2014 12:09:39 PM] Joshua: watch what they do when i update the site [8/4/2014 12:09:45 PM] Joshua: im done giving a fuck about anything [8/4/2014 12:09:59 PM] Joshua: my wife is divorcing me basically [8/4/2014 12:10:02 PM] Joshua: and she was hot [8/4/2014 12:10:06 PM] Joshua: is hot.. [8/4/2014 12:10:12 PM] customer3: she is hot Smiley [8/4/2014 12:10:29 PM] Joshua: she so pissed that im away so long doing this crap [8/4/2014 12:10:42 PM] Joshua: she doesnt live with me in US, she stays in Sofia [8/4/2014 12:10:59 PM] Joshua: and shes like.. starting the "Joshua.. we need to start being realistic" [8/4/2014 12:11:14 PM] Joshua: ineed to get my ass out of asia and backover there and fix that [8/4/2014 12:11:25 PM] Joshua: and i need to sell before we go completely broke [8/4/2014 12:11:35 PM] Joshua: and i dont give a fuck about anything or anyone else anymore [8/4/2014 12:11:41 PM] Joshua: thats where im at mentally guys LEAK! Don't worry Josh. Your wife's fucking another Jewish Bulgarian Freemason Gimp's dick, because that's probably all that slut's worth. And, she has to be a slut to have married you. LEAK! Quote [8/6/2014 2:21:00 PM] Joshua: its wont matter [8/6/2014 2:21:21 PM] Joshua: im not worried about selling [8/6/2014 2:21:34 PM] Joshua: i just want these fuckers to shut upalready [8/6/2014 2:21:39 PM] customer1: They wont [8/6/2014 2:21:45 PM] customer1: not until all of this is over with [8/6/2014 2:21:46 PM] Joshua: im just going to piss them off even more [8/6/2014 2:21:50 PM] Joshua: even when it is [8/6/2014 2:21:54 PM] Joshua: they still wont shut up [8/6/2014 2:22:00 PM] Joshua: because they'll loose the lawysuit [8/6/2014 2:22:03 PM] Joshua: and feel even more fucked [8/6/2014 2:22:18 PM] customer1: Right BUT if you fulfil the MPP, they got no reason to bitch. [8/6/2014 2:22:35 PM] Joshua: theres no way in hell to do it [8/6/2014 2:22:38 PM] customer1: You took the rug out from under them and the OTHER people who got hardware will turn on them and shut them up [8/6/2014 2:22:40 PM] Joshua: MPP is everlasting [8/6/2014 2:22:44 PM] customer1: Not really [8/6/2014 2:22:46 PM] Joshua: even a little bit [8/6/2014 2:22:47 PM] customer1: Not for most [8/6/2014 2:22:50 PM] Joshua: for most yes [8/6/2014 2:22:51 PM] customer1: I mean a comprimise [8/6/2014 2:22:58 PM] Joshua: they will always scream ROI ROI [8/6/2014 2:23:01 PM] Joshua: and they'llnever meet it [8/6/2014 2:23:04 PM] customer1: Of course they do it in every thread [8/6/2014 2:23:06 PM] Joshua: better to say fuck MPP [8/6/2014 2:23:13 PM] Joshua: and focus on working with nicer clients only LEAK! Quote [10:22:14 AM] Joshua: we had a issue with the psu's [10:22:19 AM] Joshua: we wanted to ship without psu's [10:22:37 AM] Joshua: and we recalled 100+ back from hong kong to put PSU's in them [10:22:54 AM] Joshua: those were the photos we posted [10:23:07 AM] Joshua: but really we were opening them up,putting psu's in them and shipping them back out [10:23:12 AM] Joshua: and now they are in hong kong again LEAK! I say Joshua Zipkin, son of scammer Harrison Zachariah Zipkin, has just shot himself in the foot. When he deletes this post, it'll be posted at several other places. What a totally piece of shit this fuckin' Jewish Bulgarian Freemason Gimp turned out to be. My name is Bruno Kucinsaks, and I live at 406 W. Center St., Sandwich, IL 6058. Ph # is 815-508-1668, and I'm the one that just fucked up Josh Zipkin's life big time because the asshole deserved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote [10:28:53 AM] Joshua: unless we get some funding from somewhere it'll take a minimum of 20-30 sales a week to keep going Hey, Boi! Order a couple dozen miners from AMT to keep that venerable enterprise afloat. How'd you like that pic of those 10 miners you requested? Pretty awesome, eh! Tell you a secret: THERE WEREN'T 10 MINERS TO SHOW YOU. Best go with that Black Arrow offer. Rumor has it that there'll the bestest. LEAK! This leak was brought to you by the Drama Queen of Bitcoinland, paid for by... (foregone payment, for this was too much fun). Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: crashoveride54902 on August 16, 2014, 06:26:19 PM @Gleb Gamow that was awesome :) good job
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: notbatman on August 18, 2014, 01:06:21 AM I hope you're not implying that Black Arrow shipped my now almost worthless miner to an AMT customer instead? WTF?
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: ladi4ever on August 19, 2014, 05:04:24 PM I would not buy nothing from AMT, Lost $12K, paid 2 orders since October 2013...got no money back from him...BEWARE BEWARE....he has lawsuit coming after him.
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: nutildah on August 20, 2014, 10:54:57 AM Support us and help us grow so we can help meet MPP one day. Or bring us down every time we put something up for sale and kill your chances of ROI. Eitherway, this fiasco has ruined one of our marriages, put us all in personal debt for the next god know hows long and well, turned to be a terrible situation. But we're not bankrupting like hashfast, we're delivering miners. Support us or get out of our way. I'm not sure I've ever encountered a more concentrated proportion of sociopaths than reading through this forum. In natural human populations it is less than 1% but on this forum its probably around 5-7%. But I mean its fun though. The same way watching American Greed is fun. And fascinating. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: opieum2 on September 03, 2014, 03:39:31 PM JOSHUA ZIPKIN, THE OWNER OF AMT MINERS HAS STOLEN MONEY FROM ME. HE IS A LIAR. HE IS A CON ARTIST. HE RUNS THE MOST CORRUPT COMPANY I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED IN MY 40+ YEARS. And now we we'll start litigation against Craig Lenell personally. After giving him several warnings, and several notices to stop his crap, enough is enough. Craig you'll be served sometime next week. We don't need to explain ourselves again, our story has been told 50 times over. Back ordered miners are shipped and on their way to everyone's doorstep. Even lead plaintiffs at this point. We would not continue selling (just like we haven't for the last few months) until the majority of our backlogged ordered. Hate us if you want, theres nothing more we can do about it. honestly its about who can build and drop ship a working miner at this point, and if you can pay with a secure form of payment. And of course the price. We're sorry about the first 200 some clients, and will do what ever we can to satisfy them without going out of business in the process. Support us and help us grow so we can help meet MPP one day. Or bring us down every time we put something up for sale and kill your chances of ROI. Eitherway, this fiasco has ruined one of our marriages, put us all in personal debt for the next god know hows long and well, turned to be a terrible situation. But we're not bankrupting like hashfast, we're delivering miners. Support us or get out of our way. Of course it should be noted there are other AMT related scam threads with other levels of details. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752430.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741795.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569821.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=722263.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=571855.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603878.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=759543.0 The fact is there is plenty of information to determine that they have done nothing but lie time and time again. There are chats to even confirm that. I was one of the participants in those aforementioned chats and can provide more than just text on the very same chats (and have in some of the other threads). Most of it with Joshua Zipkin stating that he was not packing miners, but unpacking them because he had played favorites (something that made the crytptocoinsnews.com rounds). I think the point is clear but they are insistent on trying to fleece people. its important to make sure we don't have another BFL on our hands here. Oh and curiouser...I am reasonably certain AMT has not actually sued clenell. Since their post was dated August 4th next week would have been 3 weeks ago. But I suppose he can confirm that. Chances are they might try and sue me instead. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: eightcylinders on October 02, 2014, 09:37:08 PM Confirming AMT is an outright scam. Stay away from them and stay away from any business associated with them. Would be good to post info on related businesses too, I lost track a long time ago and wrote off this investment as a theft on my taxes.
To reiterate the scope of lies, AMT told me via private email in February that my miners would be shipped within a week. We found out later that, at that point in time, AMT had not even retained a contract firm to design and produce its hashing boards! So the promise to ship my miners in a week was an outright impossibility - e.g., lie. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: opieum2 on October 05, 2014, 05:44:11 PM I have had personal interactions with Joshua Zipkin. I attempted to help to get the community refunds and for them to fulfil the MPP. Joshua Zipkin had a whole sob story about how things didnt go right and manufacturing problems. Meanwhile he had the money, AND was bragging about petahash farms, beating the class action, and moving operations away from the US. At the same time he said "fuck the MPP" read the chats above. I was customer 1 in those chats. It has been covered in the press as well.
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: Xandrah on October 05, 2014, 09:41:44 PM Thanks for the heads up, yet another lying miner company to avoid.
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: bitsalame on October 05, 2014, 09:48:19 PM I am getting a classical conditioning against anyone called JOSH.
Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: TooDumbForBitcoin on October 05, 2014, 10:22:48 PM I am getting a classical conditioning against anyone called JOSH. Refine that a bit: Josh Zerlan Josh Zipkin Josh Zeidner Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: notbatman on October 06, 2014, 08:16:39 PM I am getting a classical conditioning against anyone called JOSH. Refine that a bit: Josh Zerlan Josh Zipkin Josh Zeidner There's guy at G4W is named Josh, I'd put BTC down that his last name starts with a Z. Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: opieum2 on October 06, 2014, 09:54:32 PM I am getting a classical conditioning against anyone called JOSH. Refine that a bit: Josh Zerlan Josh Zipkin Josh Zeidner There's guy at G4W is named Josh, I'd put BTC down that his last name starts with a Z. [7/27/2014 11:07:03 PM] jzdtack624: I just wanna sue everyone [7/27/2014 11:07:07 PM] jzdtack624: Lol Fact is Josh Zipkin (cause I know he reads these) your ADHD ass should pay close attention. You are essentially exiled from the USA. Set foot here and you will be arrested. That much you can be sure of. I also know it's that reason that you didn't show your fat ass at the inside bitcoins conference. May not have been the best thing to talk about it so openly for us I would have preferred you were in cuffs but since you lack a pair, I figure the misery you will deal with from here on out will be good enough, but now you are an exile from the US. And the fact you have a reputation as a scammer and a general idiot from what has been said about you already even in the insidebitcoins conference (which has been relayed by various sources). Well even you knew that already loumay. This is why you don't fuck with your customers. You ripped us off. Now we teamed up and are making sure you never make another satoshi in this industry. Here is his talk and excuses about refunds...reasons NOT to give them. I gave him advice on what to do. Something even a reasonable attempt. [8/12/2014 1:21:49 PM] Tony: Honestly one thing you REALLY need to do to make this right is to repair your reputation. IF you get money back from IMET refund the difference of the original purchase price (if someone paid 6k subtract 1250 for the hardware recieved and refund 4750). You want sales...that starts to show your good faith effort and people will trust you again. They can forgive (maybe not all) but you can actualy get repeat sales this way if you can consistently show you are trying to make all this right. [8/12/2014 1:21:55 PM] Opieum2: I am not saying I wont buy I gotta think about it [8/12/2014 1:22:02 PM] Opieum2: BUT you gotta make a public show of it. [8/12/2014 1:22:24 PM] Opieum2: I know the money is tight but short term profits vs long term equity which will lead to long term profits is key [8/12/2014 1:22:26 PM] Joshua: its not possible [8/12/2014 1:22:31 PM] Joshua: 250 doesnt cover the sales [8/12/2014 1:22:38 PM] Joshua: there will be people left unpaid [8/12/2014 1:22:43 PM] Opieum2: Ok so what you said about using the IMET money to refund clients is not true then? [8/12/2014 1:22:51 PM] Joshua: i could do a refund percentage split across the board from all the money received [8/12/2014 1:22:53 PM] Joshua: thats it [8/12/2014 1:22:54 PM] Opieum2: You said that in the forum publicly [8/12/2014 1:23:04 PM] Joshua: well thats the plan [8/12/2014 1:23:07 PM] Opieum2: Which would be what? [8/12/2014 1:23:36 PM] Joshua: its difficult to calculate, somepeople ordered 5 or more machines [8/12/2014 1:23:39 PM] Joshua: it would be based on machines [8/12/2014 1:23:48 PM] Opieum2: Right so how much per machine then? [8/12/2014 1:23:57 PM] Joshua: i dont know exactly [8/12/2014 1:24:13 PM] Joshua: also we still have some bills piling up like legal fees and stuff [8/12/2014 1:24:15 PM] Opieum2: Thats the thing. I think if the amount is reasonable most people would understand. Some more chats on this. On where LouMay comes from. [8/12/2014 1:36:10 PM] Joshua: pictures on the forum [8/12/2014 1:36:35 PM] Joshua: ahh they'll sell [8/12/2014 1:36:39 PM] Joshua: yes but again, investment money [8/12/2014 1:37:02 PM] Joshua: im in a position where im good with inno and ive made friends with all channels of manufacturing [8/12/2014 1:37:21 PM] Joshua: from the pcb house to design guys, etc [8/12/2014 1:37:25 PM] Joshua: they call me LouMay [8/12/2014 1:37:25 PM] Opieum2: Ok well you are getting a distribution chain. [8/12/2014 1:37:28 PM] Opieum2: That is what you need [8/12/2014 1:37:34 PM] Joshua: it means Fat Big American [8/12/2014 1:37:38 PM] Opieum2: LOL [8/12/2014 1:37:47 PM] Opieum2: Geez [8/12/2014 1:37:59 PM] Joshua: its said in a humorous way though Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: opieum2 on October 06, 2014, 10:15:56 PM Oh I thought I would add this one. This was regarding the shipping. He had planned on shipping without notifying people. Hence why people got surprise orders this was Josh's commentary on that way back in July then again in August when stuff actually shipped: [7/28/2014 12:14:27 AM] jzdtack624: they can refuse it at the door [7/28/2014 12:14:35 AM] jzdtack624: despite the signature [7/28/2014 12:15:35 AM] jzdtack624: so they'll know which day its coming and some of the crazies like Perez could be like... Nope.. [7/30/2014 12:03:20 AM] Customer2: (tumbleweed)(tumbleweed)(d) Any word on Tracking or have thngs been Shanghai'd? (bug) [7/30/2014 10:07:06 AM] Opieum2: good morning all. Any updates? [7/30/2014 10:08:06 AM | Edited 10:19:30 AM] Customer2: <scans horizon> None sighted yet (headbang)... (smoking) [7/30/2014 10:36:39 AM] jzdtack624: they are like stuck in hong kong [7/30/2014 10:36:58 AM] jzdtack624: ok..honestly [7/30/2014 10:37:17 AM] jzdtack624: we halted them in hong kong because we made like a naughty and nice list ofclients right [7/30/2014 10:37:21 AM] jzdtack624: and thats how we formed the batches [7/30/2014 10:37:35 AM] jzdtack624: the naughty list didnt have Psu's [7/30/2014 10:37:42 AM] jzdtack624: the lawyers said we had to ship with PSU's [7/30/2014 10:37:56 AM] jzdtack624: so we bought psu'sandhave been installingthem in all day in hong kong [7/30/2014 10:38:04 AM] jzdtack624: the others with PSU's shipped [7/30/2014 10:38:15 AM] jzdtack624: like..Customer2 and Customer4.. [7/30/2014 10:38:34 AM] jzdtack624: i can ship two of the rackmount to Opieum2 as well [7/30/2014 10:38:43 AM] jzdtack624: since this half [7/30/2014 10:38:45 AM] jzdtack624: halt Title: Re: BEWARE AMT_miners Post by: opieum2 on October 06, 2014, 10:16:40 PM Here are some more detailed how they know the insider side of Black Arrow.
I thought I would put this here. Going through the chats. I thought some more info on their clear relationship with Black Arrow and knowledge of their business operation would be good for Black Arrow customers as well. FYI as has been stated in prior chats, BA and AMT operate out of the same location in China. Possibly Bulgaria as well. Birds of a feather and all that. Context we were talking about A1 chips prior to this and Josh switched gears on us as he usually did mid conversation. [8/13/2014 12:31:02 PM] Joshua: yea [8/13/2014 12:31:10 PM] Joshua: but they are good [8/13/2014 12:31:39 PM] Joshua: also BA is getting pretty desperate [8/13/2014 12:32:02 PM] Joshua: they have soo many chips and no boards to put them on because they are low on money like us and their board is too expensive to produce [8/13/2014 12:32:13 PM] Joshua: they just came out with a decent 2 chip board which seemd ok [8/13/2014 12:32:28 PM] Customer2: mini miner [8/13/2014 12:32:40 PM] Joshua: like.. slots [8/13/2014 12:32:49 PM] Joshua: several 2 chilp board slots.. [8/13/2014 12:32:59 PM] Joshua: for X1 devices [8/13/2014 12:33:18 PM] Joshua: its a nice chip really, just as always chip makers should not be board makers [8/13/2014 12:33:19 PM] Customer2: Grown up USB key style miners [8/13/2014 12:33:30 PM] Joshua: and they are just going to copy Asicminers design [8/13/2014 12:33:57 PM] Joshua: right [8/13/2014 12:34:14 PM] Joshua: but anyway thats good for me [8/13/2014 12:34:18 PM] Joshua: because it will look like we did it lol [8/13/2014 12:34:36 PM] Joshua: and then it'll be like.. AMT, works with A1/A2 BE200 and Minion [8/13/2014 12:34:54 PM] Opieum2: Who is BA? [8/13/2014 12:34:55 PM] Joshua: Chip integration specialists! [8/13/2014 12:34:59 PM] Joshua: Black arrow [8/13/2014 12:35:01 PM] Joshua: minion [8/13/2014 12:35:02 PM] Opieum2: ah [8/13/2014 12:35:18 PM] Joshua: they are romanians based here in shenzhen [8/13/2014 12:35:32 PM] Joshua: but not the most ehtical [8/13/2014 12:35:41 PM] Customer2: True Gypsy's [8/13/2014 12:35:46 PM] Joshua: built a shit load of prospero 3's and are mining with the hardware [8/13/2014 12:36:00 PM] Joshua: and gave chips to clients as compensation [8/13/2014 12:36:08 PM] Joshua: who in turn, ofcourse has no where to other than technobit [8/13/2014 12:36:17 PM] Customer2: yep [8/13/2014 12:36:22 PM] Joshua: who now spent 200K on compoennts and may go broke on this [8/13/2014 12:36:25 PM] Joshua: lol [8/13/2014 12:36:40 PM] Joshua: but martin will be left with several minion boards to sell off [8/13/2014 12:37:01 PM] Joshua: which will devaluate minion because he sales at the bare minimum and always tries to undercut the market [8/13/2014 12:37:14 PM] Joshua: and todays chip price for A1, $16 [8/13/2014 12:37:23 PM] Customer2: good lord. [8/13/2014 12:37:32 PM] Joshua: well its the best price [8/13/2014 12:37:40 PM] Joshua: even the swiss cant sell under $20 [8/13/2014 12:37:54 PM] Joshua: but i can sell at $16, quietly |
