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Is it possible to mine using a smartphone? Ive seen some mining apps and curious if anyone has actually tried it

No, it's not. It's not even possible without dedicated equipment so it's not going to be on a phone. Mining is out of reach for pretty much most people now.

even if it was possible then it was like frying your phone at high temp :P

You won't mine nothing with a few years old PC, so don't think that you will mine anything with smartphone even if mining could be possible.

So mining is no bueno? But when i look at blockchain.info i see hella transactions. Whats the most convenient way of aquiring bitcoins without mining or faucets?

Obviously people can mine less there would be no bitcoin transactions, but it's not possible to be profitable unless you spend tens of thousands on mining equipment.

Not possible at all. People, this is like using a straw, trying to drain the Pacific Ocean! Really, run the numbers... Sure, this is the beginners forum, but it still amazes me how people can even start to believe that mining with a phone could be profitable at all.

Signature campaigns and 100% POS coins. (I just participated in Premine Plus Coin and GroupCoin).

Even if you spend tens of thousands USD to buy the newest ASICs, it may not be a profitable investment as the profit depends on your electricity cost, your luck (if you are solo-mining), difficulty in the future, used ASIC price (if you are selling the ASIC when it is not efficient enough), etc.

Well, he could simply buy some BTC on an exchange. It's quite simple and you actually have a decent stash of money afterwards (depends on how much you are willing to put into BTC...)

What amazes me is how some people think theyre better than others simply because they know more about certain things.  If everyone tried doing that, everyone would be dead from dehydration, too much salt.  And plus its not just pacific ocean youd be drinking cause its connected to all other oceans and seas.

Yeah, but I don't believe you've actually run the numbers - show me the numbers, damnit. Run them! NOW!

I hope you're joking about the first part of your response because the drain the ocean analogy is a pretty good one. (And obviously accurate.)

I couldnt run tthem. I may have misplaced their legs. No for real tho.  No offense to anyone . 

Not possible at all to mine with a smartphone unless you were planning on frying the phone. It's pretty impossible for anyone to mine now without having the right equipment.

Do you want a heater or are you so rich that you can afford a new phone every now and then? Either way,I doubt that some apps actually mine. I think they may simply steal the keys of any associated wallet on the phone that you have installed.

Buy them.

Yes it is possible. there are mining applications of android BUT and it is a very bug BUT
There is no way in hell you will make any kind of profit from it.
Even a top of the line tablet like a nexus 7 gets about 10 mhash.

It is possible but don't make your phone explode, they are not meant for high heat..

Mining with an ASIC is like pissing in a sea of pee these days, imagine if you were to mine with the hashing power of a smartphone. The mining game belongs to early big ASIC cartels.

So say i have the money to spend on money, which i dont,, how much would it actually cost me to get started and how much btc would i get?

That totally depends.  You can purchase as little as $5 worth on coinbase assuming your a US resident.  Similarly you could probably find somebody willing to sell you small portions of BTC via localbitcoins.com as well in your local area if it's a fairly large city. 

Its possible but only for fun, not earnings of any kind.

Do not mine with your smartphone,you will destroy it.

It takes knowledge and experience to profit from mining. The more money a newbie spends on mining, the more he will lose. So, to answer your question, I recommend you spend $0 to get started. Try mining alt coins with your GPU first.

Mining is unprofitable for people with rigs of powerful videocards, if you try to use a smartphone to mine the result will be even worse because you could find a wallet stealer in the app...

If you were to mine any coin (including bitcoin) with your smart phone at this hashrate, you would likely use more electricity then the value of the coins you produce, while damaging your phone in the process.

I don't think there is a very high chance of any kind of wallet stealer in the app as you would obviously use an open source app. However this will not work as smartphones are not powerful enough to mine any significant amount of coins. Also any blocks found by the phone would have a higher chance of getting orphaned due to the larger delay when transmitting data via the cell network.

It can be profitable if someone come out with phone mining only coin...

it will cost tens of thousands of dollars.. and you be sure that you wont ROI within months or years.. Buying BTC straight from exchange might give you a chance.  :P

If you could, your phone would die and produce maybe 0.00001 bitcoins per year

You can mine with a phone. However, note that phones do not have even a fan cooling. They overheat very very easily. The speed is smaller than a desktop CPU with even better cooling. There is a very high chance your phone would die very soon without cooling. The best is to buy ASICs or custom build PC for it.

Not only that, it will also shorten the life of the phone pretty much to few months...

It will be 1 life mining on sp to get 1 btc

People telling you it's impossible are totally wrong, it is technically possible to mine with a smartphone and in fact I did and it was quite profitable about a year ago with altcoins (scrypt), now the question your should ask your self is, is it worth to do so, Absolutly not, not only that you'll waste more money than what you'll earn but you'll compromise the life span of your smartphone which is a double loss

if you invest in mining equipment it would take like 60-90 days to make roi

Or maybe you won't return on your investment at all!
Mining is a risky business, only the big farms can have decent profits at the moment.

probably even longer if they even ship. The difficulty increase is one of the factors to your ROI, so is electrical cost. Unless you have electrical cost, it isn't profitable. The hardware might be faulty and you would have to send it back for servicing. Therefore, it is really really risky.

Everyone agrees that mining on a phone if futile. Alright. But: Is it really frying the phone? Will phones suffer from the same complications that may render desktop computers or notebook computers useless when they're being used to constantly mine Bitcoin?

How bout cloud mining? How does that work?

They host hardware for you and they either pay them for hosting or payout is deducted for electrical cost and maintainence costs. They are usually very over priced and they take high fees from your payout too. It is really hard to ROI.

Either you have early access to the newest ASICs, or you have made some mistakes in the calculation (eg. forget the difficulty increase, forget the electricity cost, etc) :)

Say if you have access to 100,000 phones, and each can hash at 1 KH/s, you will have a total of 100MH/s (while a dated Block Erupter USB can give you 330 MH/s). :)

So, nope, it is completely useless in the sense of mining.

I think it's impossible. I wonder how hot my phone if it possible to mining with smartphone. And sure the hash power is quite low if it possible using smartphone for mining.

With 2 Nexus 7, you can get ~4.7 GHs with easy miner. I heard that notion ink adam works with easy miner.
Kindly,
       MZ

4.7 GH/s for 2 smartphones? Are you sure?
Combining the very best CPU and GPU on desktop shouldn't give you even 1 GH/s...

really? Can you provide proof? I think, It's really impossible  :-\

it can not be real to mine with that speed with just phone. Anyway, it is not smart to mine with smartphone, because you are wasting baterry

I  tried an apk on my Flex and it was giving me 4mH/s

I would not recommend mining with your phone.
1st. You kill your phone
2nd. Its not profitable.

Perhaps you meant 4.7MH/s.  A Core i7-4770K overclocked won't even give more than 1GH/s and I doubt the Tegra could beat a I7 even in compute.

BTW 4.7GH/s a day makes about 1 penny - totally not worth it to mine other than to know you can.

I think mining on a smartphone is possible but it definitely isn't profitable. I believe there was a news story a while back about Bitcoin-mining malware infecting smartphones. Even back then, it made no sense and so nobody could understand why anybody would even attempt such a thing.

Do a search for "smartphone mining malware" if you don't believe me. You'd be surprised.

mining on smartphones its done but not profitable

How about an old Commodore 64 if I plug a 56kbps modem in?

Anyone got bitcoin core on cassette tape?

How long before I can mine 1 BTC?

It's not a Commodore 64 but someone did manage to find a way to mine with a NES from 1985:

http://www.retrominer.com/

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a hash rate figure. Modern smartphones are MUCH more powerful than anything from the 80's though. Seeing as though someone mined hundreds of bitcoins back in 2009 with a Pentium 4, it probably would have been profitable with today's prices to mine with a phone back then too.

Mining is not feasible on a single smartphone now, maybe as a bot net of 100.000 phones - but  I think bitcoin has reached the complexity where it's not feasible anymore with this kind of hardware. You need heavy machinery  :)

Even so, anyone with senses should be aware their hardware is heating up very fast and would suspect of a virus infection. I doubt any modern smart phone would mine at that slow speed, they usually get around 500++kH/s.

I cannot even fathom why someone would even attempt to create a bitcoin mining program for a phone. Next they'll be apps for Smart Tvs, then again you'd probably do better with one of them with some of these processers they've got in now a days lol.

i think it's possible to mine using a smartphone, because a smartphone has a lot of applications which are developer by programming developer. i.e : android, ios (apple) or blackberry ...

Save the heartache and just sell the phones for an actual miner lol..

Its the most logical decision.

::). You obviously have no idea.

Ha  ;D ;D ;D Well, he's right in a way. Since there are a ton of applications for the various operating systems and platforms, there most likely are some mining softwares available. yet, people fail to see that a smartphone is hopelessly underpowered to actually achieve any profit. We're talking about a factor of 10'000x here...

Maybe the people looks at the octacore or quadcore cpu of the latest smartphones and thinks that they could have a great computing power usable for bitcoin mining.

It's impossible to mine with a smartphone, I didn't tried because I fear the keyloggers or wallet stealers but their cpu power is negligible.

Now old PC is not suitable for mining. So how can you think about mining with Smartphone. I think is it a waste of time.

Mining with a five high end GPU's is useless. Why do you think a smartphone would be any better?

Sorry was a mis reading.  :-X
Kindly,
       MZ

I think he thinks that he can get good hash rate with it and he can consume electricity costs.
Kindly,
       MZ

If you want to melt your phone to make 0.0001 cents then go for it :D

Normal desktop computer performs far better and they consume a lot of power and emit a lot of heat. Smartphones are designed to be used with less power while emit less heat and not require cooling. Therefore, smart phone processors cannot be compared to normal desktop processors.

Ha, yeah... I mean they could've a 256-core and yet it wouldn't be profitable. There's a reason why the CPU power gets spread across cores. And the reason isn't because it's faster or you could put the power in a single core (well, to a bit, it actually is). People have a completely flawed understanding of what processing power actually is and how it scales.

The good thing about mining with smartphone is you can just mine it while you are in class, dorm anywhere you at... Just if ASIC is not that bulky...

It emits too much heat. If you are thinking about bringing it around, get rid of the heat issue first then power issue. Why don't you just set up ASIC at your own house? You don't have to move it around and you also don't have to pay for mobile services for mining. It would be troublesome to bring such an inefficient ASIC around, I doubt it can even submit a single share.

I think someone had written a javascript miner. If that's the case a modern phone should be able to run that miner. Of course you can't earn anything form this sort of mining...

It wouldn't be hard to port a Java miner to Android either. But again, no reason to mine using such a device. You'll NEVER generate a single block in your lifetime I bet...

You can mine with a smartphone, but you can never profit from it or even earn a amount which you could probably use in a trade so no its not even something to think about you can't do it.

4MH/s? With that 4 MH/s, you can get about 10 satoshi for 24 hours lol.
Just forget it, it won't work. :)

Wasn't there an app to mine LTC a couple of years ago?

There are a few apps which can mine Scrypt and SHA256. They aren't very efficient and I never get to submit a single share while my Phone overheated. Even with the best phone, you cannot surpass the hashrate of a normal desktop computer in terms of temperature and hashrates.

No shit - I mine... started mining well over a year ago. Was simply asking a question

i have no idea with this,
mining with a smarthphone, lol  :D
it will burn you smarthphone, You will not get the profit, even damage your smarthphone.  :o

Don't mine with a smartphone or a laptop. And at this point, I would not recommend a GPU rig either. In fact, I wouldn't recommend getting into ASICs even, unless you have a reliable chip supplier that will work cheap and fast...

no. it is not possible to mining with smartphone, because the mining need high spesification in laptop or PC

Pretty sure this wouldn't work out well like you expect it to

You'd fry your phone if you tried to.


Mining on a PC or Laptop is still toxic. Unless your talking about a Altcoin. You can't use a graphics card for Bitcoin anymore; It isn't 2012.

Unless you have a few TH/s your return would be so small it would go lower than Cex's.

Buying.

Buying is truly the easiest and often the most profitable decision to make. Just buy and then stick your coins in cold storage. You'll end up with a larger amount of bitcoins for your money spent than most people, trust me.

Makes no sense to try and mine btc nowadays, even with a huge mining rig you would be struggling to make any profit.

It is also easy to overheat your laptop with mining, and so you shouldn't do it at all.
Mining asic resistant coins with GPU in a PC is okay, but you will need to have cheap electricity to have profit.

What if the alto is very simple, talking about alt coins? Will a smartphone be able to mine alt coins if the difficulty is very low always and the algorithm is very simple? I am not a specialist, I'm just asking

Remember that you are competing against other miners for the mining revenue. If you are mining on a smartphone and other miners are mining with ASICs, you won't earn much.

As for burning out your phone: the processing power spent mining depends on the mining software and not on  the difficulty. You can make the mining software limit itself so that it doesn't heat up the phone. Unfortunately, that will also reduce the amount you mine (unless you are the only miner).

Just a sidenote, i tried mining for 1 hour at my galaxy s2.

All i got was my cellphone working near 70º celsius and the fear of loosing a smartphone for nothing.


There's few faucets that is worth to use it like a hour per day .


But to be honest if you want to enter in this world you have to invest a little at least.

It won't be possible. Now mining with old PC is  not possible also. For mining you need  PC high configuration and Graphics card. So think about PC and forget about Smartphone.

Even a PC might fry with the mining difficulty now-a-days. A smartphone? BOOM.  :P

Its possible, but you will make absolutely nothing. Maybe 1 or 2 kh/s at best.

I advice NOT to mine with a smartphone. My friend was doing some experiments coding a version of cgminer for his s4 and guess what, he fried the CPU. PoW is just not for smartphones, it's pointless.

it can not be real to mine with that speed with just phone. Anyway, it is not smart to mine with smartphone, because you are wasting baterry

Your smartphone will burn out itself before you can get any significant amount of bitcoin.
Even altcoin mining is not profitable with a smartphone.

It is pointless to experiment on a CPU which is designed to be operated at low power and low efficiency with no cooling. Even PoS is pointless since you can't run it unless you have lots of ram and space for blockchain.

As odolvlobo explained, the mining difficulty only affects the number of coins you mined but not the heat generated or power consumption.
So if you PC is overheated mining bitcoin now, the same PC under the same configuration would be overheated mining 2 years ago. :)

Mining with Smartphone, much 2010. :)
It will cost you more.

mining on smartphones its done but not profitable

If mining with a pencil and paper (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3dqhixzGVo) is possible, I'm sure a smartphone can mine. But I can guarantee you it won't be effective. You're just going to waste power and life of your phone.

It is impossible to mine with smartphone. Actually it is also difficult to mine through ordinary PC too.

no not at all. its horrible

Wow nice video !!!


Ts you can't make profitable mining even with a good pc .

Better chance than with a pencil :P Also, with a botnet of phones maybe someone could reach a few GH/s

if you tried to mining a coin with smartphone
it won't be called "mining with smartphone"
it will called "burning your smartphone"

I don't think this is possible.....yet!

If people are willing to spend upwards of $1000 on an ASIC miner just to join a pool and get a steady stream of $10+ rewards I think the best mining you could do with the processing power of a smartphone is to drop it in the dirt and accidentally dig out a pound coin.  :)

LOL

no way dude.

You better just throw your phone by the window, at least you won't waste energy.

a waste of... what? Time? Money? Power?

Lol how about all of the above.

Unless you have an ASIC there is no point in mining now IMO

If you have an early generation of ASIC, the power efficiency won't be good and you will be wasting money running the miner.

You will never get anything for it. Not nearly enough hashing power. Don't bother

Possible, but not really for Bitcoin. With new phones (quad core etc.) you can try some CPUcoins for fun, but don't expect high return when people are using specialized equipment everywhere. Drains battery like hell (not good), stresses CPU, heats up the phone. Leave it.

Watch out with the paid apps, I'm guessing you will never mine as much as they cost  ;D

its not possible, your smartphone won t support it.

not worth the time. if you know asics alone are struggling with the difficulty.

unless your odds are having electricity for free.

Phones aren't designed to undergo these kind of stress. They are more for low performance and power task.High end CPU uses around 100-200 watts while high end phones use much lesser than that. Even with quad core, don't expect to earn a cent when mining for a day non stop. AFAIK, there isn't suitable apps to mine algorithm other than scrypt and SHA256. You have to build them yourself.

Can we get this thread locked? OP's question has been answered comprehensively, and the points just keep repeating again and again...

Mining with smartphone even if technically possible would be morally wrong. If you are a masochist or a hipster you may want to do this tho.

there has been an iOS app for mining around for quite some time now. IIRC in the description at the app store it reads something like this "does it work? Yes! Will you make lots of money? No."

more of a novelty than anything.

What do you mean by novelty? What good is it if the app doesnt make money right?

Yes, but its not profitable unless its a smartphone only coin. But it should be really hard for that..

Look the post above yours! ::)


   ~~MZ~~

Ha, you can't mine even 1 BTC out of a smartphone for 100 years.
It's simple maths.

Ofcourse not, you will "mine" more if you are solving captchas on faucets with phone.

There should be an algo written that can only be mined via a smartphone.  I could finally dust off all my old worthless phones.

Even if such algo and such altcoin is created, your phones would be overheated very soon.

I think it would be very difficult to enforce such a restriction. Smartphones are designed to be able to be replicated on a computer so devs of apps can write and test apps for various smartphones. If such an algo was created then someone could simply run several instances of a smartphone VM on their computer in order to mine the coin that uses the algo

mining with a smartphone? I never even heard of this..  ???