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Title: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 02:41:43 PM Seems that the putin bear is doing everything in his power to try and control the internet , where did he get all his inspiration from I wonder..
But he seems he will go beyond anything else judging by the moves he has done only in the last year Let's recapitulate some of the latest moves: 1) Crack the tor protocol http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28526021 Quote Russia has offered 3.9m roubles ($110,000; £65,000) in a contest seeking a way to crack the identities of users of the Tor network. The Russian interior ministry made the offer, saying the aim was "to ensure the country's defence and security". 2) War on bloggers: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28583669 Quote It means bloggers with more than 3,000 daily readers must register with the mass media regulator, Roskomnadzor, and conform to the regulations that govern the country's larger media outlets. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/russia-controls-blogosphere-new-law 3) Again with the bitcoin ban http://www.coindesk.com/russian-ministry-finance-drafts-bill-banning-bitcoin/ Seems like this time is bit more serious but hell , try and ban it mr bear 4) Anonymous online payments Quote (Legislative initiative 428896-6 [ru]) would place new limits on online money transfers. This draft law would raise limits on anonymous online financial transactions and ban all international online financial transactions, where the electronic money operator (e.g., PayPal, Yandex.Dengi, WebMoney) does not know the client’s legal identity. The legislation also raises operating costs for NGOs, requiring them to report on every three thousand dollars spent in foreign donations. (Currently, NGOs must report on every six thousand such dollars.) The proposed restrictions on anonymous online money transfers could be significant. Currently in Russia, one can deposit up to 1,200 dollars into a single anonymous online wallet, and one can pay out almost 450 dollars from that account in a single transaction. Under the new legislation, Russians wouldn’t be able to spend more than 450 dollars in a whole calendar month from any one anonymous online money account, and single-day transactions would be limited to just under 30 dollars (1000 rubles). Funny how this was quoted as an "anti terrorist" move. Now to the more severe ones 5) Websites must inform Russian authorities and store every move an user makes on the website in question The first of the three bills (Legislative initiative 428884-6 [ru]) creates new requirements for mandatory archives and notifications, granting the federal government wide jurisdiction. The most concerning article of the bill stipulates that “individuals or legal entities” who “[organize] the dissemination of information and (or) the exchange of information between Internet users are obligated to store all information about the arrival, transmission, delivery, and processing of voice data, written text, images, sounds, or other kinds of action” that occur when using their website. At all times, data archives must include the most recent six months of activity. It appears that this obligation would apply to the owners and operators of websites and services ranging from multinational services like Facebook to small community blogs and discussion platforms. Website “organizers” must also “inform” (yвeдoмить) Russian security services when users first begin using their sites, and whenever users “exchange information.” Taken literally, this requirement could create a nearly impossible task for administrators of blogs, social media sites, and other discussion platforms with large quantities of users. 6) No more anonymous wifi Medvedev signs order banning anonymous Wi-Fi http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/744055 Quote Customers of Internet cafes and users of publicly offered Wi-Fi will have to provide operators with proof of identity, such as a driving license, by SMS or a special online access form, according to a statement on the Communication Ministry’s website. 7) The government can block your website with a single move.. to protect the children from nazi extremists and terrorists ;) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140313/14025726571/russia-using-internet-censorship-laws-to-block-websites-opposition-candidate.shtml https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/03/russia-blocks-access-major-independent-news-sites 8) You have data of russian citizens on your server? That data must be hosted in russia alone http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/04/us-russia-internet-bill-restrictions-idUSKBN0F91SG20140704 Quote The law will mean that from 2016, all Internet companies will have to move Russian data onto servers based in Russia or face being blocked from the web. That would likely affect U.S.-based social networks such as Facebook, analysts say. Coming after new rules requiring blogs attracting more than 3,000 daily visits to register with a communications watchdog and a regulation allowing websites to be shut without a court order, critics say the law is part of a wave of censorship. Putin, an ex-KGB officer who has called the Internet a "CIA project", denied he was restricting web freedoms, saying his main concern was protecting children from indecent content. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 08, 2014, 02:56:49 PM Putin already won his interweb. I don't see any war.
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: bitsmichel on August 08, 2014, 02:57:54 PM Quote Seems that the putin bear is doing everything in his power to try and control the internet , where did he get all his inspiration from I wonder.. But he seems he will go beyond anything else judging by the moves he has done only in the last year All governments are trying to control the internet. They do not want the people can speak their mind, they don't want the people have freedom. US government: Dragnet surveillance programs, by which data is supplied from all major companies including Google, Facebook, Yahoo and Microsoft. Far beyond the scale of any surveillance programs ever existed on earth. By default all your data is indexed - searches, emails, chats, posts, sites you visit and so on. European governments: same as above, they work together. North Korean government : makes their own internet, and simply restricts all access to the public internet. Chinese government : is using firewall and censorship strategy Saudi government : is using firewall and censorship strategy Quote 1) Crack the tor protocol Many governments dislike tor and are trying to de-anatomize it, including the US. Have a look at this NSA slide https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn0.dailydot.com%2Fuploaded%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F2013%2F10%2F4%2Fnsa1.png&f=1 (https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn0.dailydot.com%2Fuploaded%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F2013%2F10%2F4%2Fnsa1.png&f=1) Quote 5) Websites must inform Russian authorities and store every move an user makes on the website in question This shows that the Russian authorities are actually somewhat behind. Visit an average site and it has 20 trackers - tracking your every move - and send to the authorities indirectly. Not to mention all data is monitored using a split cable technique. Quote ...a communications watchdog and a regulation allowing websites to be shut ... I think the main issue here is not Russian government trying to control the internet, or the US government trying to control it.. The problem is the internet, as we knew it, was the only way to freely communicate away from a tyrannical government. Now governments try to develop it in such a way that it actually gives us less freedom - and in fact can be used against us, and against our national interests. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 03:00:31 PM Many governments dislike tor and are trying to de-anatomize it, including the US. Inception Tor was originally designed, implemented, and deployed as a third-generation onion routing project of the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. It was originally developed with the U.S. Navy in mind, for the primary purpose of protecting government communications. Today, it is used every day for a wide variety of purposes by normal people, the military, journalists, law enforcement officers, activists, and many others. https://www.torproject.org/about/overview A branch of the U.S. Navy uses Tor for open source intelligence gathering, and one of its teams used Tor while deployed in the Middle East recently. Law enforcement uses Tor for visiting or surveilling web sites without leaving government IP addresses in their web logs, and for security during sting operations. Quote Originally sponsored by the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory,[16] which had been instrumental in the early development of onion routing under the aegis of DARPA, Tor was financially supported by the Electronic Frontier Foundation from 2004 to 2005.[18][19] Tor software is now developed by The Tor Project,[20] which has been a 501(c)(3) research-education nonprofit organization [21] based in the United States of America since December 2006. As of 2012, 80% of The Tor Project's $2M annual budget came from the United States government, with the U.S. State Department, the Broadcasting Board of Governors, and the National Science Foundation as major contributors,[22] "to aid democracy advocates in authoritarian states".[11] The Swedish government and other organizations provided the other 20%, including NGOs and thousands of individual sponsors.[18][23] One of the founders of the project, Roger Dingledine, stated that the United States Department of Defense funds are more similar to a research grant than a procurement contract. Andrew Lewman, the executive director of Tor, stated that even though it accepts funds from the U.S. federal government, the Tor service did not necessarily collaborate with the NSA to reveal identities of users.[24] Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: bitsmichel on August 08, 2014, 03:05:29 PM Many governments dislike tor and are trying to de-anatomize it, including the US. Inception Tor was originally designed, implemented, and deployed as a third-generation onion routing project of the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. It was originally developed with the U.S. Navy in mind, for the primary purpose of protecting government communications. Today, it is used every day for a wide variety of purposes by normal people, the military, journalists, law enforcement officers, activists, and many others. https://www.torproject.org/about/overview A branch of the U.S. Navy uses Tor for open source intelligence gathering, and one of its teams used Tor while deployed in the Middle East recently. Law enforcement uses Tor for visiting or surveilling web sites without leaving government IP addresses in their web logs, and for security during sting operations. Quote Originally sponsored by the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory,[16] which had been instrumental in the early development of onion routing under the aegis of DARPA, Tor was financially supported by the Electronic Frontier Foundation from 2004 to 2005.[18][19] Tor software is now developed by The Tor Project,[20] which has been a 501(c)(3) research-education nonprofit organization [21] based in the United States of America since December 2006. As of 2012, 80% of The Tor Project's $2M annual budget came from the United States government, with the U.S. State Department, the Broadcasting Board of Governors, and the National Science Foundation as major contributors,[22] "to aid democracy advocates in authoritarian states".[11] The Swedish government and other organizations provided the other 20%, including NGOs and thousands of individual sponsors.[18][23] One of the founders of the project, Roger Dingledine, stated that the United States Department of Defense funds are more similar to a research grant than a procurement contract. Andrew Lewman, the executive director of Tor, stated that even though it accepts funds from the U.S. federal government, the Tor service did not necessarily collaborate with the NSA to reveal identities of users.[24] They like it for military purposes, but they do not like anonymity for all purposes - otherwise there wouldn't be a mass surveillance program. And even if you are using tor, the ISP still knows you are using it - even though they do not know what you are looking at. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 03:09:22 PM 6) No more anonymous wifi Medvedev signs order banning anonymous Wi-Fi No anonimous wifi in Italy: ENI Cafe' access page: mobile phone autentication http://service.guglielmo.biz/sms-enicafe/mobile/pop.asp c/c autentication http://service.guglielmo.biz/ecommerce/mobile/ecommerce.asp?lng=eng<m=hjePnHyRW0s2yJ6YZDIQ9Q%3D%3D Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 03:12:09 PM 6) No more anonymous wifi Medvedev signs order banning anonymous Wi-Fi No anonimous wifi in Italy: ENI Cafe' access page: mobile phone autentication http://service.guglielmo.biz/sms-enicafe/mobile/pop.asp c/c autentication http://service.guglielmo.biz/ecommerce/mobile/ecommerce.asp?lng=eng<m=hjePnHyRW0s2yJ6YZDIQ9Q%3D%3D Thread is about russian ban .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Italy#Internet_regulation Only at the end of 2010, a bipartisan bill allowed for the repeal of article 7 of the Pisanu law.[7] The abrogation was finally made by the Monti Cabinet, which has not entered the renewal extension in the decree of 2011, so that the provision is no longer in force since January 1, 2012.[8][9] It doesn't matter if somebody else is doing something wrong. If you do the same you're also wrong. Or let me translate it for you better. If somebody is taking a dump in the middle of the street it doesn't mean you should happily take a piss also. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: poisenrang on August 08, 2014, 03:45:16 PM Putin is wrong i think, here they say hes a bad person,
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 03:46:16 PM Quote PERCHE’ NON POSSO SEMPLICEMENTE “APRIRE” IL WIFI CHE MI HA INSTALLATO CHI MI OFFRE L’ADSL? Perché sei responsabile di tutto quello che avviene sulla tua ADSL nei confronti degli organi amministrativi e di indagine. http://www.futur3.it/sitofreeluna/freeluna-faq#PERCHE’-NON-POSSO-SEMPLICEMENTE-“APRIRE”-IL-WIFI-CHE-MI-HA-INSTALLATO-CHI-MI-OFFRE-L’ADSL? "Why i can not give free access to my router? - You are responsible for all things on Your contract " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft0QVir8tyg Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 03:50:49 PM Quote PERCHE’ NON POSSO SEMPLICEMENTE “APRIRE” IL WIFI CHE MI HA INSTALLATO CHI MI OFFRE L’ADSL? Perché sei responsabile di tutto quello che avviene sulla tua ADSL nei confronti degli organi amministrativi e di indagine. http://www.futur3.it/sitofreeluna/freeluna-faq#PERCHE’-NON-POSSO-SEMPLICEMENTE-“APRIRE”-IL-WIFI-CHE-MI-HA-INSTALLATO-CHI-MI-OFFRE-L’ADSL? "Why i can not give free access to my router? - You are responsible for all things on Your contract " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft0QVir8tyg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Italy#Internet_regulation Only at the end of 2010, a bipartisan bill allowed for the repeal of article 7 of the Pisanu law.[7] The abrogation was finally made by the Monti Cabinet, which has not entered the renewal extension in the decree of 2011, so that the provision is no longer in force since January 1, 2012.[8][9] Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 03:55:14 PM Only at the end of 2010, a bipartisan bill allowed for the repeal of article 7 of the Pisanu law.[7] The abrogation was finally made by the Monti Cabinet, which has not entered the renewal extension in the decree of 2011, so that the provision is no longer in force since January 1, 2012.[8][9] McDonalds is breacking law by asking my mobile number, and name for "free access"? How much You will pay for custom video about? http://verytech.smartworld.it/come-utilizzare-il-wifi-del-mcdonalds-e-connettersi-gratis-49856.html#steps_4 Quote cliccate su "registrati" e si aprirà una seconda pagina contenente "modulo di registrazione". Compilate tutti i campi (ricordandovi di inserire un numero di cellulare corretto) e, terminata la compilazione, selezionate "conferma" Quote Inserite nella pagina iniziale il vostro User ID e la vostra Password (la quale vi sarà stata inviata via sms) e selezionate "login" Password is send by SMS. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 04:03:04 PM Only at the end of 2010, a bipartisan bill allowed for the repeal of article 7 of the Pisanu law.[7] The abrogation was finally made by the Monti Cabinet, which has not entered the renewal extension in the decree of 2011, so that the provision is no longer in force since January 1, 2012.[8][9] McDonalds is breacking law by asking my mobile number, and name for "free access"? How much You will pay for custom video about? http://verytech.smartworld.it/come-utilizzare-il-wifi-del-mcdonalds-e-connettersi-gratis-49856.html#steps_4 Quote cliccate su "registrati" e si aprirà una seconda pagina contenente "modulo di registrazione". Compilate tutti i campi (ricordandovi di inserire un numero di cellulare corretto) e, terminata la compilazione, selezionate "conferma" Probably you're just retarded. Mc donalds is not forced to offer you free internet and in most of the country it restricts access to it's wifi. It's their policy and it's their business how they deal with their stuff. They are using this confirmation method to prevent abuse on their wifi spots. In .ro you can use those wifi only if you have the password that is printed on the receipt and that pass is valid for a limited time. You're so messed int he head you can't distinguish between a company policy and a government law. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 08, 2014, 04:15:03 PM Can't wait for this (http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-internet-censorship-sovereign-network/25375226.html) to happen.
This is certainly not enough (http://eais.rkn.gov.ru/). WoT (https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/eais.rkn.gov.ru?utm_source=addon&utm_content=rw-viewsc) https://i.imgur.com/4jVwQsU.gif Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 04:18:32 PM Can't wait for this (http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-internet-censorship-sovereign-network/25375226.html) to happen. https://i.imgur.com/4jVwQsU.gif Quote Yandex is registered in the Netherlands and is traded on the NASDAQ stock exchange in New York. VKontakte's founder fled Russia in April after he said he was forced into giving up his shares in the company to figures close to the Kremlin. Leaders at both companies have complained about the new Internet legislation in Russia potentially harming their businesses. Quote In late April, a member of Russia's upper house of parliament proposed creating a purely domestic Internet -- inaccessible from abroad with the exception, perhaps, of members of a Russian-led Customs Union -- that would be named after a furry character called Cheburashka. http://fs01.androidpit.info/afg/x32/3720832-1329565465854.jpg At least looks and sounds cute comapred to halal or the great firewall Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 08, 2014, 04:23:21 PM http://www.illustrators.ru/illustrations/380479_original.jpeg
He's cute ain't he!? Now we are talkin'. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 04:36:17 PM Are You talking about Putin, to not talk about where are proofs of who shoot Malaysian aircraft or what?
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 04:41:34 PM Are You talking about Putin, to not talk about where are proofs of who shoot Malaysian aircraft or what? OFF TOPIC I don't care about the aircraft i care about how a commie is trying to brainwash a nation. In you're case he couldn't find the thing to wash. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 04:47:39 PM I'm about this topic, about real motive of it.
Are You praying mr. Putin all Days? Is he a part of Your religion? Russian Federation is a safe place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 04:54:12 PM I'm about this topic, about real motive of it. Are You praying mr. Putin all Days? Is he a part of Your religion? wait till bongacash will not be able to pay you anymore because of the new laws regarding electronic money transfers :) Let's see then how you're going to kiss putin's ass Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 05:14:13 PM wait till bongacash will not be able to pay you anymore because of the new laws regarding electronic money transfers :) Let's see then how you're going to kiss putin's ass I'm resident of EU. And israeli citizen owned payoneer is not more "offshore payment system" from some years. In Ukraine webcam is totally illegal. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 05:15:48 PM wait till bongacash will not be able to pay you anymore because of the new laws regarding electronic money transfers :) Let's see then how you're going to kiss putin's ass I'm resident of EU. And israeli citizen payoneer is not more "offshore payment system" from some years. LMAO. No comment. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 05:19:35 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuval_Tal
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 05:37:11 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuval_Tal Irrelevant... So you're a russian who has got to the lengths of getting a eu resident permit at last and you brag about how good your mother russia is and how bad the eu is. Why have you come to europe then? Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 08, 2014, 05:57:23 PM If you are not supporting Putin you must be out of your mind.
All russian citizens, regardless of where they live, are supporting their ruler. There can't be anything wrong! Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 06:07:35 PM If you are not supporting Putin you must be out of your mind. All russian citizens, regardless of where they live, are supporting their ruler. There can't be anything wrong! In that mode working elections. Check the stats. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 08, 2014, 06:24:28 PM http://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/903011_700b.jpg (http://9gag.com/gag/903011/russian-elections-146-7-of-100-votes-possible-fixed)
But, of course. I'm just trying to point out that niothor might be wrong and it's not too late to repent. After all, the great leader may forgive him for straying from the right path. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 06:30:24 PM But, of course. I'm just trying to point out that niothor might be wrong and it's not too late to repent. After all the great leader may forgive him for straying from the right path. I acknowledge my mistake and i bow in front of the mighty 147% leader.. Just figured out from where the username of 247crypto comes :)))) Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 08, 2014, 06:33:58 PM All good that ends well.
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Nemo1024 on August 08, 2014, 06:36:30 PM #2 is good. There's been too much 5th column blogging. Is it wrong to be required to present factually correct information to your readers that is free from derogatory and hateful statements and uses clean language?
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 08, 2014, 06:48:46 PM Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 07:30:17 PM #2 is good. There's been too much 5th column blogging. Is it wrong to be required to present factually correct information to your readers that is free from derogatory and hateful statements and uses clean language? Wonder who will say if those facts are correct or not..... But , no other comment on the others? On the wifi problem or on the war for the sake of the children? =))) Face it nemo , Russia is turning into something far worse than china and us when it comes to internet control. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 08, 2014, 07:41:29 PM Wonder who will say if those fact are correct or not..... But , no other comment on the others? On the wifi problem or on the war for the sake of the children? =))) Face it nemo , Russia is turning into something far worse than china and us when it comes to internet control. Attaching collar (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhabrahabr.ru%2Fpost%2F222587%2F) to free press ain't a big deal. At least we'll get rid of people who think otherwise. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 07:56:45 PM Wonder who will say if those fact are correct or not..... But , no other comment on the others? On the wifi problem or on the war for the sake of the children? =))) Face it nemo , Russia is turning into something far worse than china and us when it comes to internet control. Attaching collar (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhabrahabr.ru%2Fpost%2F222587%2F) to free press ain't a big deal. At least we'll get rid of people who think otherwise. Thanks for the link but the google translate is a bit confusing and my high school Russian classes aren't helping me too much when it comes to the comments but does this law mean that even people who have a profile on facebook that receives 3000 visitors has to register? That's insane... Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Nemo1024 on August 08, 2014, 08:14:12 PM Wi-Fi registration: Let's think of a parallel. Until not so long ago, you could buy a SIM card without identifying yourself, now EU laws make you identify before connecting to the mobile network access points. Why are internet access points any different?
I am not saying it's good, but that's where the world is going to, some countries, are just ahead on some of the fronts. As for the laws that get passed in Russia. Media there makes fun of the lawmakers quite regularly, with many laws entering circulation half-baked and impossible to enforce. Just give it time, it'll be revised within a year or two to make it more realistic. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 08, 2014, 08:14:58 PM Thanks for the link but the google translate is a bit confusing and my high school Russian classes aren't helping me too much when it comes to the comments but does this law mean that even people who have a profile on facebook that receives 3000 visitors has to register? That's insane... Well, as soon as, Roscomnadzor decides you have 3000 visitors it means you have to register in it's blogger registry using your real credentials. Seems about right. By the way make sure to add, as many websites, as possible here (https://i.imgur.com/WCMgJrl.png) (and here (http://eais.rkn.gov.ru/feedback/)). Websites that are thinking otherwise are a big no-no. Also I wonder, if reporting this forum will ever get it banned. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Nemo1024 on August 08, 2014, 08:26:26 PM Not much different from FBI hunting down drugs or child pornography sites.
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 08, 2014, 08:28:23 PM Thanks for the link but the google translate is a bit confusing and my high school Russian classes aren't helping me too much when it comes to the comments but does this law mean that even people who have a profile on facebook that receives 3000 visitors has to register? That's insane... Well, as soon as, Roscomnadzor decides you have 3000 visitors it means you have to register in it's blogger registry using your real credentials. Seems about right. By the way make sure to add, as many websites, as possible here (https://i.imgur.com/WCMgJrl.png) (and here (http://eais.rkn.gov.ru/feedback/)). Websites that are thinking otherwise are a big no-no. Also I wonder, if reporting this forum will ever get it banned. I bet in the next 24hours at least one person will try it. But i doubt they will ban it unless they find about the russian section. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 08, 2014, 08:33:28 PM I bet in the next 24hours at least one person will try it. But i doubt they will ban it unless they find about the russian section. We also have gambling section. Just saying. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Brewins on August 08, 2014, 08:36:27 PM The internet core is not located in Russia, so he will lose.
At most he will destroy the russian's internet Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: bitsmichel on August 08, 2014, 10:02:26 PM Do any of these new policies appear to make sense, even superficially? Similar to Putin's "revenge" restrictions on EU products, I'm at a loss to see how any of it is actually meant to be good for Russians. These EU sanctions and Russian sanctions are good for politicians and oligarchs, but not in the benefit of neither the Russian nor the European citizens. The media will tell you otherwise of course ::) Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 08, 2014, 11:29:53 PM So you're a russian who has got to the lengths of getting a eu resident permit at last and you brag about how good your mother russia is and how bad the eu is. Why have you come to europe then? Oh, that is the reason, why is impossible listen nothing true from Your part. I'm european, look at Globe, where is Moscow. Well, if You come to different place to live - You will change Your opinion about criminal thing and legal things? You will declare, that Italian McDonalds is illegal to ask my name and mobile phone number to provide "free" Wi-Fi access? Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Mike Christ on August 09, 2014, 12:10:25 AM Do any of these new policies appear to make sense, even superficially? Similar to Putin's "revenge" restrictions on EU products, I'm at a loss to see how any of it is actually meant to be good for Russians. Well, the whole point of government is to protect citizens from themselves by divine or elected right, so it's apparent that the Russians feel they can no longer handle freedom in regards to their Internet privileges; Putin, being the president of Russia, is the most intelligent man in that nation so says the voters, as well as being their voice, therefore he and his colleagues know far greater than anyone else what's best for the Russian people at this particular time and that's an NK-style walled garden to protect the citizens from terrorism and Nazis and terrorist nazi bloggers and so forth. What's better for a nation than to huddle as closely to that nation as possible? Through these means, the Russian people will forget all about the people of outside nations, and will remember why their nation is so great: it is because it is the one they happened to be born into, but to them, it will be because it's the #1 nation in the world. By shutting out other cultures, the Russian people might even hit the nation-state enlightenment: to believe that they are the "chosen people" and that all others are the equivalent of animals, prime for slavery and slaughter. In this manner, the Russians have a chance to become the dominant group of the planet, rather than a mere participant within a global economy, which will no doubt inevitably destroy their nation as dreams of voluntary association increase and accelerate and materialize; no politician wants this, it would mean an end to their jobs as the recipients of bribes. It is therefore necessary for world leaders to join the individual minds of their respective nation into a collective unit, as individual cells of a body create a living being, with the general public as the muscles and organs, and the government as the brain, and removing the dissonance which stems from other cultures and ideas is an important step in achieving this goal. It may not help the Russians be any more civil or peaceful or intelligent or otherwise better off--heck, it'll probably make things worse for them--but it'll make the lawmaker's jobs easier so it's not hard to see why Pootypoot would give his own people the proverbial middle-finger through these policies. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 09, 2014, 07:13:49 AM So you're a russian who has got to the lengths of getting a eu resident permit at last and you brag about how good your mother russia is and how bad the eu is. Why have you come to europe then? Oh, that is the reason, why is impossible listen nothing true from Your part. I'm european, look at Globe, where is Moscow. Well, if You come to different place to live - You will change Your opinion about criminal thing and legal things? You will declare, that Italian McDonalds is illegal to ask my name and mobile phone number to provide "free" Wi-Fi access? you said you're a citizen of the EU , moscow is not not in the EU. And unfortunately this is my last reply to you. I can't talk to a person that can't speak or write so I can understand what he is saying. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 09, 2014, 08:23:33 AM you said you're a citizen of the EU , moscow is not not in the EU. And unfortunately this is my last reply to you. I can't talk to a person that can't speak or write so I can understand what he is saying. Well, duh. You only need 1 or 2 days to spot all the people who follow RT and Itar-tass and cannot trust anything else. And I doubt you'll be able to change their mind. :D After all, you're evil West, seeking to enslave the great nation and their leader. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: desired_username on August 09, 2014, 09:07:32 AM Well, duh. You only need 1 or 2 days to spot all the people who follow RT and Itar-tass and cannot trust anything else. And I doubt you'll be able to change their mind. :D After all, you're evil West, seeking to enslave the great nation and their leader. I honestly hate both sides, but in my experience RT is way more objective/accurate than any western media. Sadly, we are all exposed to too much propaganda and baseless ideologies, it all comes down to the fact that the majority of the people are stupid as fuck everywhere on the planet. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 09, 2014, 09:26:27 AM you said you're a citizen of the EU , moscow is not not in the EU. And unfortunately this is my last reply to you. I can't talk to a person that can't speak or write so I can understand what he is saying. Well, duh. You only need 1 or 2 days to spot all the people who follow RT and Itar-tass and cannot trust anything else. And I doubt you'll be able to change their mind. :D After all, you're evil West, seeking to enslave the great nation and their leader. I knew from the start that 247crypto is a propaganda machine...i accused him of this thousands of times.. A guy come to bitcointalk and posts only in threads about russia.... Politics & Society 1922 Off-topic 464 Beginners & Help 52 Alternate cryptocurrencies 15 out of his 400 posts most of them are in pictures from russia thread But I usually confront him to show others that 75% of his posts are nothing but lies so others don't get suck into. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 09, 2014, 09:58:15 AM So you're a russian who has got to the lengths of getting a eu resident permit at last and you brag about how good your mother russia is and how bad the eu is. Why have you come to europe then? Oh, that is the reason, why is impossible listen nothing true from Your part. I'm european, look at Globe, where is Moscow. Well, if You come to different place to live - You will change Your opinion about criminal thing and legal things? You will declare, that Italian McDonalds is illegal to ask my name and mobile phone number to provide "free" Wi-Fi access? you said you're a citizen of the EU , moscow is not not in the EU. And unfortunately this is my last reply to you. I can't talk to a person that can't speak or write so I can understand what he is saying. Eat iodized salt. I'm european, born in Moscow. And i'm resident of EU. Where i write about, that i'm "citizen of EU"? Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 09, 2014, 10:03:47 AM So you're a russian who has got to the lengths of getting a eu resident permit at last and you brag about how good your mother russia is and how bad the eu is. Why have you come to europe then? Oh, that is the reason, why is impossible listen nothing true from Your part. I'm european, look at Globe, where is Moscow. Well, if You come to different place to live - You will change Your opinion about criminal thing and legal things? You will declare, that Italian McDonalds is illegal to ask my name and mobile phone number to provide "free" Wi-Fi access? you said you're a citizen of the EU , moscow is not not in the EU. And unfortunately this is my last reply to you. I can't talk to a person that can't speak or write so I can understand what he is saying. Eat iodized salt. I'm european, born in Moscow. And i'm resident of EU. Where i write about, that i'm "citizen of EU"? So what does is say on your passport or id card. Nationality :...... And you currently live in? Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Benjig on August 09, 2014, 10:06:27 AM This will never end, as now someone can "crack" the tor network, someone else is already getting up new brand better anonimous protocol
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 09, 2014, 10:08:06 AM So what does is say on your passport or id card. Nationality :...... And you currently live in? Are You a Romanian virus? I live in Mediterranean isle. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 09, 2014, 10:10:17 AM This will never end, as now someone can "crack" the tor network, someone else is already getting up new brand better anonimous protocol Why US government sponsor so "anonimous" TOR? Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 09, 2014, 10:12:54 AM So what does is say on your passport or id card. Nationality :...... And you currently live in? Are You a Romanian virus? I live in Mediterranean isle. I asked you because you would have to live in an eu country for 5 years to be a resident of the EU. Yet you claim you were born in russia , and you have no eu citizenship. In order to be a resident of the eu you would have to live currently in an eu member state which again points to the question Why have you left your heaven on earth homeland mother russia? I bet you as usually don't understand what you're talking about. I ask nemo to translate it for you :) PS. By the way russia has the highest iodine deficiency in the world (4 times as big as romania) , also with the highest incidence of cretinism in newborns on the planet. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 09, 2014, 10:14:59 AM A guy come to bitcointalk and posts only in threads about russia.... Politics & Society 1922 Off-topic 464 Beginners & Help 52 Alternate cryptocurrencies 15 out of his 400 posts most of them are in pictures from russia thread Count Your posts about Russia, are You sure not be addicted by hate to Russian Federation? Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 09, 2014, 10:18:44 AM A guy come to bitcointalk and posts only in threads about russia.... Politics & Society 1922 Off-topic 464 Beginners & Help 52 Alternate cryptocurrencies 15 out of his 400 posts most of them are in pictures from russia thread Count Your posts about Russia, are You sure not be addicted by hate to Russian Federation? If it weren't for hundreds of humanbots like you that invaded all the forums posting pro russian propaganda out of the blue I would have taken russia side in this the conflict. The reason i don't like the US is because of it's manipulation but when i see the same from the other side and two times I have nothing to do that pray both the us and russia will end in a garbage dump and I'll be the one with a tractor running them flat. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 09, 2014, 10:22:10 AM I'll add this message from your friend pagan. It's by far more ontopic that your nonsense.
Quote The "Safe Internet League" is more censorship Will Russia Start Blocking Websites in Real Time? With the RuNet already plagued by Roskomnadzor blacklists, blogger registration, and the blocking of Twitter accounts with no discernible justification, Russia now wants to introduce an automated real-time filtering system that will block websites that contain “harmful content.” The proposed plan would add a second layer of censorship to Russia's already-pervasive website blacklist system, under which ISPs are required to block all websites containing “calls to riots, extremist activities, the incitement of ethnic and (or) sectarian hatred, terrorist activity, or participation in public events held in breach of appropriate procedures.” According to an ITAR-TASS report, Russia would require ISPs to install “smart filters” that would screen and block “harmful content”, which would presumably be identified based on a pre-determined list of keywords. The “smart filtering” idea and its technical details have been proposed by the Safe Internet League, a Kremlin-loyal NGO partnering with several large Russian ISPs. Safe Internet League executive director Denis Davydov explains that existing blacklists are not great at filtering out dangerous content, and says their system, once installed at the level of ISPs, could analyze web content in real time and easily block offensive pages: Translation We suggest introducing preemptive Internet filtering, which allows us to automatically determine the content of the page queried by the user in real time. The system evaluates the content on the page and determines the category which the information belongs to. In case the category is forbidden, the system blocks the webpage automatically. The typically snarky personalities of the RuNet thought the League's new initiative would do nothing to create a safer online environment — instead, the added layer of algorithmic bureaucracy would only contribute to the existing limits already imposed on netizens in Russia, and would make the users work even harder to access their preferred content. Photographer Anton Martynov mockingly suggested that Russia was succeeding in its bid to “solve the Internet”: Bo вcём миpe бьютcя и нe мoгyт peшить, a Лигa бeзoпacнoгo интepнeтa в Poccии нaшлa peшeниe: http://t.co/zXUV1FjkzW — ypa, cлaвa Poccии!!! — Anton Martynov (@podakuni) August 4, 2014 The world over is struggling and can't figure this out, but the Safe Internet League in Russia has solved it: http://t.co/zXUV1FjkzW – hooray, glory to Russia!!! Blogger Ilya Varlamov was incensed at the new filtering initiative: Лигa бeзoпacнoгo интepнeтa пpeдлaгaeт ввecти в Poccии пpeдфильтpaцию кoнтeнтa“ Уcпoкoйтe иx ктo-нибyдь, a? — Ilya Varlamov (@varlamov) August 4, 2014 Safe Internet League proposes implementing pre-filtering of content in Russia. Somebody please calm them down, would you? Internet entrepreneur Gaidar Magdanurov thought the Safe Internet League's efforts were entirely counterproductive: “Лигa Бeзoпacнoгo Интepнeтa” пpoдoлжaeт бopoтьcя c Интepнeтoм – http://t.co/tWOpMBLIGt — Gaidar Magdanurov (@gaidar) August 4, 2014 “Safe Internet League” continues to fight the internet – http://t.co/tWOpMBLIGt. Earlier this summer, Duma deputy Yelena Mizulina had already proposed an automated Internet filtering system in an attempt to protect the minds of Russia’s youngsters. Mizulina demanded that the Internet service providers block “adult” Web content by default in an effort to create a “Clean Internet.” Consumers would be allowed to opt out of the filtration system, but only by making a special request to their ISP. Davydov says developers at the Safe Internet League have already tested their two-step filtration model in Kostroma and Omsk regions, as well as the Komi Republic, and have found it works quite well (or so he says). Should the system go into broader use, it will generate a significant escalation of state attempts to control the Russian Internet. Users have found multiple ways of getting around blocks generated by blacklists, using VPNs and other circumvention tools to view their favorite blacklisted websites. If the “smart filtering” system is indeed implemented, one can only guess how quickly Russian netizens will learn to work around the new, ever-pervasive Internet controls. https://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/08/08/will-russia-start-blocking-websites-in-real-time/ Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 09, 2014, 10:25:18 AM I asked you because you would have to live in an eu country for 5 years to be a resident of the EU. Yet you claim you were born in russia , and you have no eu citizenship. In order to be a resident of the eu you would have to live currently in an eu member state which again points to the question Why have you left your heaven on earth homeland mother russia? I bet you as usually don't understand what you're talking about. I ask nemo to translate it for you :) PS. By the way russia has the highest iodine deficiency in the world (4 times as big as romania) , also with the highest incidence of cretinism in newborns on the planet. There are so many ways to become resident of EU. Why i need give my private information in public forum? Romanian incidence is lower that in Northern Caucasus, is true. But iodized salt must eat You, not statistic data from Romania. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 09, 2014, 10:28:11 AM I'll add this message from your friend pagan. It's by far more ontopic that your nonsense In Italy is censored VK.com and mail.ru -what is Your problem? The anonymous file sharing, from where i post images here is banned too in Italy. Many other sites are banned by italian postal police in Italy. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 09, 2014, 10:30:26 AM http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-internet-censorship-social-media-crackdown-make-it-easy-putin-stay-popular-1651078
Quote Putin’s dismissal of the Internet as an ongoing CIA project was turned into a punchline in the West, but his attitude is a reflection of how countless Russians feel about the web. That paranoia only increased with the disclosures from National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden last year. The president signed a law last month forcing all online companies conducting business inside Russian borders to store six months’ worth of data at facilities located inside Russia. Starting in September 2016, if U.S.-based companies like Twitter, Google and Facebook want to operate on Russian soil, they must also be prepared to turn over data to Russian security services upon request, without a court ruling or any kind of justification. And the us was the evil one. Now to the funny part Quote “And we’re not talking about Russian user data, but rather all personal information of any user who happens to have some readers from Russia – like, say, Barack Obama, who has no less than 3,000 Russian nationals among the 40.5 million subscribers to his Facebook page,” Anton Nossik, the first-ever Russian blogger, wrote for the New Republic. “Twitter should also prepare to move all of Obama’s personal data to Russia and hand it over to the FSB, since both Putin and Medvedev are his followers on twitter. If any of these companies don’t comply they would be subject to administrative fines, up to 500,000 roubles [$14,000], and Russian ISPs would have to block access to these platforms.” Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 09, 2014, 10:46:01 AM Quote In Italy is censored VK.com and mail.ru -what is Your problem? Oh, that's actually great. The latter (company) is also famously known for installing backdoors like Mail Guard (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhabrahabr.ru%2Fpost%2F149636%2F&edit-text=&act=url) and such, so less malware the better. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: REDoctober on August 09, 2014, 10:49:07 AM Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win?
I PREDICT, during round 3 of the bout PUTIN VS Tha INTERNET Tha INTERNET will score a TKO on Putin, judges decision. Putin will then wrestle a bear, and proceed to beat the living CRAP out of it, during post-game festivities. This is what will happen in my professional estimation. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 09, 2014, 10:50:17 AM Quote In Italy is censored VK.com and mail.ru -what is Your problem? Oh, that's actually great. The latter (company) is also famously known for installing backdoors like Mail Guard and such, so less malware the better. Who install backdoors? - VK or mail.ru? Are You thinking, that people have no way to connect with this services? VPN is still there and some are for free. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 09, 2014, 10:56:46 AM Who install backdoors? - VK or mail.ru? Are You thinking, that people have no way to connect with this services? VPN is still there and some are for free. Latter (https://translate.google.com/#en/ru/latter). I see no reason to use such "services" though. Refer to the website in my previous post. You should have no struggle reading it, but maybe it won't be comprehensible to you. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 09, 2014, 12:30:54 PM Who install backdoors? - VK or mail.ru? Are You thinking, that people have no way to connect with this services? VPN is still there and some are for free. Latter (https://translate.google.com/#en/ru/latter). I see no reason to use such "services" though. Refer to the website in my previous post. You should have no struggle reading it, but maybe it won't be comprehensible to you. You should really only speak or actually write in russian with 247crypto , he is using a very bad translator (worse than google) for his posts. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 09, 2014, 01:26:43 PM I see no reason to use such "services" though. People make there money, it's a reason enough? Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 09, 2014, 01:29:12 PM he is using a very bad translator (worse than google) for his posts. If i ansver not to Your questions, is not about my translator, is about You will know for free some private info.Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 09, 2014, 07:03:06 PM I see no reason to use such "services" though. People make there money, it's a reason enough? Wait, you can get paid for spreading propaganda and malware? Count me in! Give me the info! Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: bitsmichel on August 09, 2014, 07:11:24 PM I see no reason to use such "services" though. People make there money, it's a reason enough? Wait, you can get paid for spreading propaganda and malware? Count me in! Give me the info! You can get paid for developing malware and spyware actually. A quick search on the internet reveals malware development services :D Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Nemo1024 on August 09, 2014, 08:00:15 PM What bothers me the most is the title of the thread. It makes it as if Tzar Putin sits on a throne and hands out laws. Whereas in reality, the legislative branch in Russian Federation is State Duma (Parliament), and they can be quite creative with the laws they coin. Putin may suggest that something needs attention. So can a quite powerful lobby that has seen a number of laws not favourable to Russia passed.
This blogger law, as well a number of laws targeting the internet are not well thought-out, but they are there to protect Russia from the 5th column and a repeat attempt on performing a colour revolution, just like it was done in many post-Soviet countries. Russia has military to protect it against an open armed invasion. No one says that Russia should not have an army. (OK, maybe US complains a bit that Russia moves its army within its own borders.) But the world is changing and an invasion can take different forms. These laws are forming a groundwork for a defence system that aim to protect Russia from this new threat vector. These laws will also need to be refined and revised. And the current outcry and pointing out of the absurdities will be a valuable feedback to further legislative effort. And to digress. If Russia, as a democracy, decides to have a ruler with monarch-like powers, is it in US jurisdiction to say that such a choice is wrong undemocratic and perform a corrective democratic bombing/sanctioning? There's been precedents for such a democratic choice of monarchy: Novgorod Republic is one. So what if Putin has the support of the population and said population chooses to go the way of more authocratarian leader? Russia in general has a tendency to view a need for a strong central figure. If Obama became a president of Russia, he would be expected to look into all local affairs and to personally direct local bureaucrats on complaints from the citizens. There was one time when Russia started to drift away from the strong central ruler - after the February revolution of 1917, when the foundation for constitutional monarchy and for state Duma were laid. However, that path of development was cut short, and Russia again fell under the central monarch-like rule of the Soviet leaders. What Russia is going through now is a way of finding a governance system that works for it and the mindset of the people populating the country. That this emergent form might not coincide with what the Western "democracies" view as "correct", is not the business of those Western countries. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 09, 2014, 08:06:48 PM What bothers me the most is the title of the thread. It makes it as if Tzar Putin sits on a throne and hands out laws. Whereas in reality, the legislative branch in Russian Federation is State Duma (Parliament), and they can be quite creative with the laws they coin. Putin may suggest that something needs attention. So can a quite powerful lobby that has seen a number of laws not favourable to Russia passed. This blogger law, as well a number of laws targeting the internet are not well thought-out, but they are there to protect Russia from the 5th column and a repeat attempt on performing a colour revolution, just like it was done in many post-Soviet countries. Russia has military to protect it against an open armed invasion. No one says that Russia should not have an army. (OK, maybe US complains a bit that Russia moves its army within its own borders.) But the world is changing and an invasion can take different forms. These laws are forming a groundwork for a defence system that aim to protect Russia from this new threat vector. These laws will also need to be refined and revised. And the current outcry and pointing out of the absurdities will be a valuable feedback to further legislative effort. And to digress. If Russia, as a democracy, decides to have a ruler with monarch-like powers, is it in US jurisdiction to say that such a choice is wrong undemocratic and perform a corrective democratic bombing/sanctioning? There's been precedents for such a democratic choice of monarchy: Novgorod Republic is one. So what if Putin has the support of the population and said population chooses to go the way of more authocratarian leader? Russia in general has a tendency to view a need for a strong central figure. If Obama became a president of Russia, he would be expected to look into all local affairs and to personally direct local bureaucrats on complaints from the citizens. There was one time when Russia started to drift away from the strong central ruler - after the February revolution of 1917, when the foundation for constitutional monarchy and for state Duma were laid. However, that path of development was cut short, and Russia again fell under the central monarch-like rule of the Soviet leaders. What Russia is going through now is a way of finding a governance system that works for it and the mindset of the people populating the country. That this emergent form might not coincide with what the Western "democracies" view as "correct", is not the business of those Western countries. Seems like titles like Ethnic cleansing in Ukraine Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia EU contractors in Ukraine Russian Federation against paid trolls. MH17 - Where is shrapnel? Are not bothering you. The title is because of his statements: Putin calls internet a 'CIA project' http://news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-calls-internet-cia-project-144259718--finance.html The Russian president told a media conference in St Petersburg that America's overseas espionage agency had originally set up the internet and was continuing to develop it. Speaking Thursday at a media forum in St. Petersburg, Putin said that the Internet originally was a "CIA project" and "is still developing as such." To resist that influence, Putin said, Russia needs to "fight for its interests" online. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Balthazar on August 09, 2014, 08:09:46 PM after the February revolution of 1917, when the foundation for constitutional monarchy and for state Duma were laid It was a republic, not a constitutional monarchy, and it was very similar to modern Ukraine.Actually constitutional monarchy could be the best system, and Peter Stolypin (one of the greatest Russia's prime ministers) has done the most of work in order to implement it. But he was assasinated by "The People's Will" terrorists and didn't finish the reform. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: wasserman99 on August 09, 2014, 08:40:38 PM I see no reason to use such "services" though. People make there money, it's a reason enough? Wait, you can get paid for spreading propaganda and malware? Count me in! Give me the info! Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 09, 2014, 08:53:06 PM I see no reason to use such "services" though. People make there money, it's a reason enough? Wait, you can get paid for spreading propaganda and malware? Count me in! Give me the info! If You have nothing to sale, VK is not for You. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 10, 2014, 09:54:59 AM http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/142200/russia-demands-internet-users-show-id-to-access-public-wifi
Quote Putin, who alarmed industry leaders in April by saying the Internet is "a CIA project", says the laws are needed to fight "extremism" and "terrorism." Quote The decree, signed by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev on July 31 but published online on Friday, also requires companies to declare who is using their web networks. The legislation caught many in the industry by surprise and companies said it was not clear how it would be enforced. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 10, 2014, 02:17:42 PM And you currently live in? http://s017.radikal.ru/i423/1408/78/64d3d2175e14t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/fp/32996eeccd074ae580d5ab581662d875) Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: niothor on August 10, 2014, 02:23:59 PM And you currently live in? http://s017.radikal.ru/i423/1408/78/64d3d2175e14t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/fp/32996eeccd074ae580d5ab581662d875) Thanks for the bump:) Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: giveBTCpls on August 10, 2014, 04:09:40 PM How in hell are they going to effectively ban Bitcoin? Of course they could stop any banks from letting you cash out BTC money but if we got a massive amount of shops all over the world accepting BTC payments, how could the gov know that you bought the package with BTC? unless they open ever single package to check the bills? ???
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Balthazar on August 10, 2014, 04:19:13 PM How in hell are they going to effectively ban Bitcoin? Captain Obvious: They're not going to do that.Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: kuroman on August 10, 2014, 07:22:11 PM Putin is not really at war with the internet but rather, I believe he is taking control with a strategic way, but tbh similar steps are being implemented or discussed in EU countries or US but we don't talk about them as much but since it's the evil Putin and it's Russia it becomes a headline article
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Ivica on August 10, 2014, 10:43:15 PM Meh, he should just disconnect his country for his own good.
Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: 247crypto on August 10, 2014, 11:44:55 PM Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Mobius on August 10, 2014, 11:59:23 PM How in hell are they going to effectively ban Bitcoin? Captain Obvious: They're not going to do that.Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: countryfree on August 18, 2014, 11:01:40 PM It isn't the subject, but when it comes about Internet access in public places in Italy, it's easy to get anonymous connections. I went to one Mc Donald's and when I asked the girl who served me about Internet, she had a small paper card on hand to tell me what number and what pass I could use to log in.
A phone number is also required in Switzerland to get a SMS, but I asked the girl sitting next to me if I could use her number and she agreed with a smile. Back to the subject, there are more and more Russians in Switzerland and France. They're all fleeing their country, and it's easy to understand why. I guess the only people who will stay in Russia are the poor uneducated people who've never been abroad, and who don't know how beautiful life can be. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: arbitrage001 on August 19, 2014, 09:26:58 AM It is not that hard to control and identify the dissent citizens of the country if the country put its mind into it.
Tor and anonymous browsers are way overrated when it comes to privacy. Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: Balthazar on August 19, 2014, 09:46:11 AM It isn't the subject, but when it comes about Internet access in public places in Italy, it's easy to get anonymous connections. I went to one Mc Donald's and when I asked the girl who served me about Internet, she had a small paper card on hand to tell me what number and what pass I could use to log in. The most funny thing here is that Wi-Fi doesn't require any authentication, and it's not planned to implement any kind of authentication for Wi-Fi, even through SMS. This law can't be applied to Wi-Fi access points, because the concept of "public access points" is already defined in the law... And it has nothing to do with Wi-Fi access points, it's only about publicly available computers provided by the state-owned organizations. A phone number is also required in Switzerland to get a SMS, but I asked the girl sitting next to me if I could use her number and she agreed with a smile. So the entire set of news on this subject in the western media is just a big pile of bullshit, which has no connection to reality. Actually it's funny to see how many people have spent so much time to discuss something non-existent. ;D Title: Re: Putin at war with the internet.. who is going to win? Post by: superpanos2 on August 19, 2014, 10:59:23 AM it;s not just Putin.
Every Government is against internet. They try to deanonymise it in every way. Why so obsessed with Russia? |
