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Title: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: Rigon on August 11, 2014, 02:05:09 PM Hmmm...let's recall.
When Bashir Assad started using chemical weapons on his own people, Obama wanted to stop him and went so far, against the better judgment of Congress and leftists, and the racist judgment of rightwingers, to threaten to bomb him without either Congressional OR UN authorization. We can all remember, of course, the splenetic outrage at the mere threat, not the execution the mere threat of bombing Assad. It was a waste! Who cares if he uses WMD! Obama should never have drawn a red line! Now, fast forward to ISIS. Obama doesn't draw a red line, and expresses reluctance to bomb. Now the rightwing says, "But, it's a humanitarian crisis! It's genocide! Why didn't he stop it before! We have to go to war war war. People deny my statement that much of the division of this nation arises from the outright hatred for and racism towards the black guy in the White House, such that no matter WHAT he does he is deemed wrong. Isn't this the perfect example of that? We need to deal with the rightwing in this nation. They need to be silenced, one way or the other. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: sana8410 on August 11, 2014, 02:35:10 PM The thing is that in the case of sarin gas in Syria, it wasn't the government using it but the "rebels".
One thing about sarin is that it is relatively easy to work out its origins and the stuff in Ghouta was from Turkey who would never supply Assad. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: sana8410 on August 11, 2014, 02:47:28 PM So Obama was saved by Putin from causing yet another mess in the Middle East.
Now we have ISIS which is an offshoot of ISIL which was initially funded and armed by the US attacking Iraq and Syria. They probably shouldn't be allowed to wreck havoc there. I have no idea what would be the best approach but I feel sure America won't employ it. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: Ron~Popeil on August 11, 2014, 03:04:44 PM Hmmm...let's recall. When Bashir Assad started using chemical weapons on his own people, Obama wanted to stop him and went so far, against the better judgment of Congress and leftists, and the racist judgment of rightwingers, to threaten to bomb him without either Congressional OR UN authorization. We can all remember, of course, the splenetic outrage at the mere threat, not the execution the mere threat of bombing Assad. It was a waste! Who cares if he uses WMD! Obama should never have drawn a red line! Now, fast forward to ISIS. Obama doesn't draw a red line, and expresses reluctance to bomb. Now the rightwing says, "But, it's a humanitarian crisis! It's genocide! Why didn't he stop it before! We have to go to war war war. People deny my statement that much of the division of this nation arises from the outright hatred for and racism towards the black guy in the White House, such that no matter WHAT he does he is deemed wrong. Isn't this the perfect example of that? We need to deal with the rightwing in this nation. They need to be silenced, one way or the other. How do you propose "silencing" them? Should dissent only be tolerated when it is leftist? Not sure what race has to do with this but your own bias and even prejudice is on display here. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: Rigon on August 11, 2014, 05:06:09 PM The thing is that in the case of sarin gas in Syria, it wasn't the government using it but the "rebels". there's not a shred of evidence that the sarin came from Turkey. That both sides have used it is undoubted, but to try and make the exact instance to which Obama responded the fault of the rebels is just more of his anti-American fantasizing. No matter what America does.One thing about sarin is that it is relatively easy to work out its origins and the stuff in Ghouta was from Turkey who would never supply Assad. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: noviapriani on August 11, 2014, 05:11:07 PM The thing is that in the case of sarin gas in Syria, it wasn't the government using it but the "rebels". there's not a shred of evidence that the sarin came from Turkey. That both sides have used it is undoubted, but to try and make the exact instance to which Obama responded the fault of the rebels is just more of his anti-American fantasizing. No matter what America does.One thing about sarin is that it is relatively easy to work out its origins and the stuff in Ghouta was from Turkey who would never supply Assad. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: dakingcoinz on August 11, 2014, 05:41:20 PM agree theres no reason to think that this wasnt some goverment started stuff. ;D
Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: bryant.coleman on August 11, 2014, 05:44:58 PM The facts are the facts. Much of the chemical weapons used in Syria did NOT originate in Assad's arsenals. That some of it did is not conclusive, because the rebels got control of many of the weapons stockpiles. As per neutral reports, both the pro-Assad forces and the anti-Assad forces (ISIS, FSA.etc) were using chemical weapons. Now Assad's stoke pile is taken away by the mediators. That leaves just the ISIS and the FSA with the chemical weapons. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: Chef Ramsay on August 11, 2014, 06:25:46 PM Hmmm...let's recall. When Bashir Assad started using chemical weapons on his own people, Obama wanted to stop him and went so far, against the better judgment of Congress and leftists, and the racist judgment of rightwingers, to threaten to bomb him without either Congressional OR UN authorization. We can all remember, of course, the splenetic outrage at the mere threat, not the execution the mere threat of bombing Assad. It was a waste! Who cares if he uses WMD! Obama should never have drawn a red line! Now, fast forward to ISIS. Obama doesn't draw a red line, and expresses reluctance to bomb. Now the rightwing says, "But, it's a humanitarian crisis! It's genocide! Why didn't he stop it before! We have to go to war war war. People deny my statement that much of the division of this nation arises from the outright hatred for and racism towards the black guy in the White House, such that no matter WHAT he does he is deemed wrong. Isn't this the perfect example of that? We need to deal with the rightwing in this nation. They need to be silenced, one way or the other. How do you propose "silencing" them? Should dissent only be tolerated when it is leftist? Not sure what race has to do with this but your own bias and even prejudice is on display here. The true leftist believers and their drone pawns always use and fall for the racial card. Most if not everything is going wrong for the President and it's probably by design so they're really hoping impeachment trends among republicans so the card can come out and gin up the base because of this black pride and white guilt scenario that persists. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: zolace on August 21, 2014, 03:17:02 PM The thing is that in the case of sarin gas in Syria, it wasn't the government using it but the "rebels". there's not a shred of evidence that the sarin came from Turkey. That both sides have used it is undoubted, but to try and make the exact instance to which Obama responded the fault of the rebels is just more of his anti-American fantasizing. No matter what America does.One thing about sarin is that it is relatively easy to work out its origins and the stuff in Ghouta was from Turkey who would never supply Assad. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 21, 2014, 03:22:37 PM Hmmm...let's recall. If you want to test the weakness of a leftist argument, see if he played the race card. If he did, did he present any evidence that race played a part? If not, you can simply throw it in the trash where it belongs.When Bashir Assad started using chemical weapons on his own people, Obama wanted to stop him and went so far, against the better judgment of Congress and leftists, and the racist judgment of rightwingers, to threaten to bomb him without either Congressional OR UN authorization. We can all remember, of course, the splenetic outrage at the mere threat, not the execution the mere threat of bombing Assad. It was a waste! Who cares if he uses WMD! Obama should never have drawn a red line! Now, fast forward to ISIS. Obama doesn't draw a red line, and expresses reluctance to bomb. Now the rightwing says, "But, it's a humanitarian crisis! It's genocide! Why didn't he stop it before! We have to go to war war war. People deny my statement that much of the division of this nation arises from the outright hatred for and racism towards the black guy in the White House, such that no matter WHAT he does he is deemed wrong. Isn't this the perfect example of that? We need to deal with the rightwing in this nation. They need to be silenced, one way or the other. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: sana8410 on August 21, 2014, 03:29:29 PM The thing is that in the case of sarin gas in Syria, it wasn't the government using it but the "rebels". there's not a shred of evidence that the sarin came from Turkey. That both sides have used it is undoubted, but to try and make the exact instance to which Obama responded the fault of the rebels is just more of his anti-American fantasizing. No matter what America does.One thing about sarin is that it is relatively easy to work out its origins and the stuff in Ghouta was from Turkey who would never supply Assad. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line For months there had been acute concern among senior military leaders and the intelligence community about the role in the war of Syria’s neighbours, especially Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Erdoğan was known to be supporting the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist faction among the rebel opposition, as well as other Islamist rebel groups. ‘We knew there were some in the Turkish government,’ a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, ‘who believed they could get Assad’s nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria – and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat.’ The joint chiefs also knew that the Obama administration’s public claims that only the Syrian army had access to sarin were wrong. The American and British intelligence communities had been aware since the spring of 2013 that some rebel units in Syria were developing chemical weapons. On 20 June analysts for the US Defense Intelligence Agency issued a highly classified five-page ‘talking points’ briefing for the DIA’s deputy director, David Shedd, which stated that al-Nusra maintained a sarin production cell: its programme, the paper said, was ‘the most advanced sarin plot since al-Qaida’s pre-9/11 effort’. (According to a Defense Department consultant, US intelligence has long known that al-Qaida experimented with chemical weapons, and has a video of one of its gas experiments with dogs.) The DIA paper went on: ‘Previous IC [intelligence community] focus had been almost entirely on Syrian CW [chemical weapons] stockpiles; now we see ANF attempting to make its own CW … Al-Nusrah Front’s relative freedom of operation within Syria leads us to assess the group’s CW aspirations will be difficult to disrupt in the future.’ The paper drew on classified intelligence from numerous agencies: ‘Turkey and Saudi-based chemical facilitators,’ it said, ‘were attempting to obtain sarin precursors in bulk, tens of kilograms, likely for the anticipated large scale production effort in Syria.’ (Asked about the DIA paper, a spokesperson for the director of national intelligence said: ‘No such paper was ever requested or produced by intelligence community analysts.’) Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: Rigon on August 21, 2014, 03:34:58 PM Hmmm...let's recall. If you want to test the weakness of a leftist argument, see if he played the race card. If he did, did he present any evidence that race played a part? If not, you can simply throw it in the trash where it belongs.When Bashir Assad started using chemical weapons on his own people, Obama wanted to stop him and went so far, against the better judgment of Congress and leftists, and the racist judgment of rightwingers, to threaten to bomb him without either Congressional OR UN authorization. We can all remember, of course, the splenetic outrage at the mere threat, not the execution the mere threat of bombing Assad. It was a waste! Who cares if he uses WMD! Obama should never have drawn a red line! Now, fast forward to ISIS. Obama doesn't draw a red line, and expresses reluctance to bomb. Now the rightwing says, "But, it's a humanitarian crisis! It's genocide! Why didn't he stop it before! We have to go to war war war. People deny my statement that much of the division of this nation arises from the outright hatred for and racism towards the black guy in the White House, such that no matter WHAT he does he is deemed wrong. Isn't this the perfect example of that? We need to deal with the rightwing in this nation. They need to be silenced, one way or the other. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: zolace on August 21, 2014, 03:37:59 PM The thing is that in the case of sarin gas in Syria, it wasn't the government using it but the "rebels". there's not a shred of evidence that the sarin came from Turkey. That both sides have used it is undoubted, but to try and make the exact instance to which Obama responded the fault of the rebels is just more of his anti-American fantasizing. No matter what America does.One thing about sarin is that it is relatively easy to work out its origins and the stuff in Ghouta was from Turkey who would never supply Assad. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line For months there had been acute concern among senior military leaders and the intelligence community about the role in the war of Syria’s neighbours, especially Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Erdoğan was known to be supporting the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist faction among the rebel opposition, as well as other Islamist rebel groups. ‘We knew there were some in the Turkish government,’ a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, ‘who believed they could get Assad’s nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria – and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat.’ The joint chiefs also knew that the Obama administration’s public claims that only the Syrian army had access to sarin were wrong. The American and British intelligence communities had been aware since the spring of 2013 that some rebel units in Syria were developing chemical weapons. On 20 June analysts for the US Defense Intelligence Agency issued a highly classified five-page ‘talking points’ briefing for the DIA’s deputy director, David Shedd, which stated that al-Nusra maintained a sarin production cell: its programme, the paper said, was ‘the most advanced sarin plot since al-Qaida’s pre-9/11 effort’. (According to a Defense Department consultant, US intelligence has long known that al-Qaida experimented with chemical weapons, and has a video of one of its gas experiments with dogs.) The DIA paper went on: ‘Previous IC [intelligence community] focus had been almost entirely on Syrian CW [chemical weapons] stockpiles; now we see ANF attempting to make its own CW … Al-Nusrah Front’s relative freedom of operation within Syria leads us to assess the group’s CW aspirations will be difficult to disrupt in the future.’ The paper drew on classified intelligence from numerous agencies: ‘Turkey and Saudi-based chemical facilitators,’ it said, ‘were attempting to obtain sarin precursors in bulk, tens of kilograms, likely for the anticipated large scale production effort in Syria.’ (Asked about the DIA paper, a spokesperson for the director of national intelligence said: ‘No such paper was ever requested or produced by intelligence community analysts.’) Several "intelligence" outfits from various countries claimed and were reported as proven, but it is now apparent that these claims were lies fabricated to elicit the response that Obama initially came up with as a proposal. Luckily they were not carried out. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: sana8410 on August 21, 2014, 03:42:19 PM When America does right, as during the presidency of Jimmy Carter, I have acknowledged it. Unfortunately doing right did for Mr Carter and he was voted out.
Actually, some other things Americans have done are right too, few of them during GOP presidencies, however. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 21, 2014, 03:47:37 PM The thing is that in the case of sarin gas in Syria, it wasn't the government using it but the "rebels". there's not a shred of evidence that the sarin came from Turkey. That both sides have used it is undoubted, but to try and make the exact instance to which Obama responded the fault of the rebels is just more of his anti-American fantasizing. No matter what America does.One thing about sarin is that it is relatively easy to work out its origins and the stuff in Ghouta was from Turkey who would never supply Assad. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line For months there had been acute concern among senior military leaders and the intelligence community about the role in the war of Syria’s neighbours, especially Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Erdoğan was known to be supporting the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist faction among the rebel opposition, as well as other Islamist rebel groups. ‘We knew there were some in the Turkish government,’ a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, ‘who believed they could get Assad’s nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria – and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat.’ The joint chiefs also knew that the Obama administration’s public claims that only the Syrian army had access to sarin were wrong. The American and British intelligence communities had been aware since the spring of 2013 that some rebel units in Syria were developing chemical weapons. On 20 June analysts for the US Defense Intelligence Agency issued a highly classified five-page ‘talking points’ briefing for the DIA’s deputy director, David Shedd, which stated that al-Nusra maintained a sarin production cell: its programme, the paper said, was ‘the most advanced sarin plot since al-Qaida’s pre-9/11 effort’. (According to a Defense Department consultant, US intelligence has long known that al-Qaida experimented with chemical weapons, and has a video of one of its gas experiments with dogs.) The DIA paper went on: ‘Previous IC [intelligence community] focus had been almost entirely on Syrian CW [chemical weapons] stockpiles; now we see ANF attempting to make its own CW … Al-Nusrah Front’s relative freedom of operation within Syria leads us to assess the group’s CW aspirations will be difficult to disrupt in the future.’ The paper drew on classified intelligence from numerous agencies: ‘Turkey and Saudi-based chemical facilitators,’ it said, ‘were attempting to obtain sarin precursors in bulk, tens of kilograms, likely for the anticipated large scale production effort in Syria.’ (Asked about the DIA paper, a spokesperson for the director of national intelligence said: ‘No such paper was ever requested or produced by intelligence community analysts.’) The question is the specific attack that we are talking about. If your position is that we should have done nothing, since both sides had it, then just say so and be done with it. But given the likelihood of which side would be able to use it to greater extent, and given the fact that in this instance it was Assad, not the rebels, who used it, then Obama still made the right call. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 21, 2014, 04:42:49 PM The thing is that in the case of sarin gas in Syria, it wasn't the government using it but the "rebels". there's not a shred of evidence that the sarin came from Turkey. That both sides have used it is undoubted, but to try and make the exact instance to which Obama responded the fault of the rebels is just more of his anti-American fantasizing. No matter what America does.One thing about sarin is that it is relatively easy to work out its origins and the stuff in Ghouta was from Turkey who would never supply Assad. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line For months there had been acute concern among senior military leaders and the intelligence community about the role in the war of Syria’s neighbours, especially Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Erdoğan was known to be supporting the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist faction among the rebel opposition, as well as other Islamist rebel groups. ‘We knew there were some in the Turkish government,’ a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, ‘who believed they could get Assad’s nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria – and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat.’ The joint chiefs also knew that the Obama administration’s public claims that only the Syrian army had access to sarin were wrong. The American and British intelligence communities had been aware since the spring of 2013 that some rebel units in Syria were developing chemical weapons. On 20 June analysts for the US Defense Intelligence Agency issued a highly classified five-page ‘talking points’ briefing for the DIA’s deputy director, David Shedd, which stated that al-Nusra maintained a sarin production cell: its programme, the paper said, was ‘the most advanced sarin plot since al-Qaida’s pre-9/11 effort’. (According to a Defense Department consultant, US intelligence has long known that al-Qaida experimented with chemical weapons, and has a video of one of its gas experiments with dogs.) The DIA paper went on: ‘Previous IC [intelligence community] focus had been almost entirely on Syrian CW [chemical weapons] stockpiles; now we see ANF attempting to make its own CW … Al-Nusrah Front’s relative freedom of operation within Syria leads us to assess the group’s CW aspirations will be difficult to disrupt in the future.’ The paper drew on classified intelligence from numerous agencies: ‘Turkey and Saudi-based chemical facilitators,’ it said, ‘were attempting to obtain sarin precursors in bulk, tens of kilograms, likely for the anticipated large scale production effort in Syria.’ (Asked about the DIA paper, a spokesperson for the director of national intelligence said: ‘No such paper was ever requested or produced by intelligence community analysts.’) Several "intelligence" outfits from various countries claimed and were reported as proven, but it is now apparent that these claims were lies fabricated to elicit the response that Obama initially came up with as a proposal. Luckily they were not carried out. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 21, 2014, 04:49:11 PM Your monomania is boring, zolace. You are capable of looking at things only through the prism of your futile hatred of this country. Enjoy your moment in the sun--as soon as the black guy is out of office, those cheering you on won't be listening anymore, and they'll instead be laughing, as I do, at a man incapable of thinking for himself.
Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: hdbuck on August 25, 2014, 08:21:10 PM snowden latest scoop: ISIS supreme leader al bagdhadi trained by mossad
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/24/376378/baghdadi-mossadtrained-saudifunded/ rofl Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: zolace on August 26, 2014, 02:28:45 PM Your monomania is boring, zolace. You are capable of looking at things only through the prism of your futile hatred of this country. Enjoy your moment in the sun--as soon as the black guy is out of office, those cheering you on won't be listening anymore, and they'll instead be laughing, as I do, at a man incapable of thinking for himself. You can mock without substance if you want to.It has been established that the Assad regime did not use sarin on Syrians, certainly not at the time in question. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 26, 2014, 02:36:06 PM Your monomania is boring, zolace. You are capable of looking at things only through the prism of your futile hatred of this country. Enjoy your moment in the sun--as soon as the black guy is out of office, those cheering you on won't be listening anymore, and they'll instead be laughing, as I do, at a man incapable of thinking for himself. You can mock without substance if you want to.It has been established that the Assad regime did not use sarin on Syrians, certainly not at the time in question. But the clincher is very simple . If the rebels were responsible for the gas attacks, how did Assad's people know to start issuing gas masks three days prior? Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: sana8410 on August 26, 2014, 02:39:21 PM Your monomania is boring, zolace. You are capable of looking at things only through the prism of your futile hatred of this country. Enjoy your moment in the sun--as soon as the black guy is out of office, those cheering you on won't be listening anymore, and they'll instead be laughing, as I do, at a man incapable of thinking for himself. You can mock without substance if you want to.It has been established that the Assad regime did not use sarin on Syrians, certainly not at the time in question. I feel Americans could do with a dose of compassion and understanding of others. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 26, 2014, 02:43:11 PM http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-chemical-attack-spurs-finger-pointing-inside-assad-regime
Quote Aug 26, 2013 - Exclusive: Split in Syrian regime's military as officers say they were not ... a few hours before the attacks," said a source from a well-connected family, ... in an area on the edge of Damascus known as Eastern Ghouta - once ... issued orders from a "high level" to wear gas masks in anticipation of the attacks. The delivery system was also through barrel rockets, possessed only by Assad and not the rebels.You're not worthy of much more, dweeb, than outright mockery when you say something idiotic like you said above, "it has been established..." Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: zolace on August 26, 2014, 02:45:36 PM http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-chemical-attack-spurs-finger-pointing-inside-assad-regime So because I say the sarin used was used by the rebels and not the Syrian government you immediately believe the opposite.Quote Aug 26, 2013 - Exclusive: Split in Syrian regime's military as officers say they were not ... a few hours before the attacks," said a source from a well-connected family, ... in an area on the edge of Damascus known as Eastern Ghouta - once ... issued orders from a "high level" to wear gas masks in anticipation of the attacks. The delivery system was also through barrel rockets, possessed only by Assad and not the rebels.You're not worthy of much more, dweeb, than outright mockery when you say something idiotic like you said above, "it has been established..." Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 26, 2014, 02:46:01 PM The problem is that you're not interested in actually addressing issues, zolace, or you would not choose automatically the worst construction possible. You are interested only on bashing on Americans, so that makes anything you say automatically suspect, not because you are anti-American, but because we cannot know that whether you are speaking from fact, or from a twisted perspective, such as the above sarin stuff, that is offered only to support your anti-Americanism.
Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 26, 2014, 02:53:43 PM http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-chemical-attack-spurs-finger-pointing-inside-assad-regime So because I say the sarin used was used by the rebels and not the Syrian government you immediately believe the opposite.Quote Aug 26, 2013 - Exclusive: Split in Syrian regime's military as officers say they were not ... a few hours before the attacks," said a source from a well-connected family, ... in an area on the edge of Damascus known as Eastern Ghouta - once ... issued orders from a "high level" to wear gas masks in anticipation of the attacks. The delivery system was also through barrel rockets, possessed only by Assad and not the rebels.You're not worthy of much more, dweeb, than outright mockery when you say something idiotic like you said above, "it has been established..." Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: zolace on August 26, 2014, 02:57:16 PM http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-chemical-attack-spurs-finger-pointing-inside-assad-regime So because I say the sarin used was used by the rebels and not the Syrian government you immediately believe the opposite.Quote Aug 26, 2013 - Exclusive: Split in Syrian regime's military as officers say they were not ... a few hours before the attacks," said a source from a well-connected family, ... in an area on the edge of Damascus known as Eastern Ghouta - once ... issued orders from a "high level" to wear gas masks in anticipation of the attacks. The delivery system was also through barrel rockets, possessed only by Assad and not the rebels.You're not worthy of much more, dweeb, than outright mockery when you say something idiotic like you said above, "it has been established..." According to Hersh, in making their case for war the administration tried to pass off the December intercepts as having occurred in the days prior to the August 21 incident: Quote "The former senior intelligence official explained that the hunt for relevant chatter went back to the exercise detected the previous December, in which, as Obama later said to the public, the Syrian army mobilised chemical weapons personnel and distributed gas masks to its troops. "The White House's government assessment and Obama's speech were not descriptions of the specific events leading up to the 21 August attack, but an account of the sequence the Syrian military would have followed for any chemical attack. 'They put together a back story,' the former official said, 'and there are lots of different pieces and parts. The template they used was the template that goes back to December.'" Putting together a "back story" is spook-talk for outright lying. There are laws against government officials doing that in testimony before Congress, and it appears those laws were broken. Let's be clear about what administration officials yet to be identified did: they described NSA intercepts detailing preparations for a military drill that had occurred months earlier as communications sent in the days prior to August 21. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 26, 2014, 03:04:30 PM http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-chemical-attack-spurs-finger-pointing-inside-assad-regime So because I say the sarin used was used by the rebels and not the Syrian government you immediately believe the opposite.Quote Aug 26, 2013 - Exclusive: Split in Syrian regime's military as officers say they were not ... a few hours before the attacks," said a source from a well-connected family, ... in an area on the edge of Damascus known as Eastern Ghouta - once ... issued orders from a "high level" to wear gas masks in anticipation of the attacks. The delivery system was also through barrel rockets, possessed only by Assad and not the rebels.You're not worthy of much more, dweeb, than outright mockery when you say something idiotic like you said above, "it has been established..." According to Hersh, in making their case for war the administration tried to pass off the December intercepts as having occurred in the days prior to the August 21 incident: Quote "The former senior intelligence official explained that the hunt for relevant chatter went back to the exercise detected the previous December, in which, as Obama later said to the public, the Syrian army mobilised chemical weapons personnel and distributed gas masks to its troops. "The White House's government assessment and Obama's speech were not descriptions of the specific events leading up to the 21 August attack, but an account of the sequence the Syrian military would have followed for any chemical attack. 'They put together a back story,' the former official said, 'and there are lots of different pieces and parts. The template they used was the template that goes back to December.'" Putting together a "back story" is spook-talk for outright lying. There are laws against government officials doing that in testimony before Congress, and it appears those laws were broken. Let's be clear about what administration officials yet to be identified did: they described NSA intercepts detailing preparations for a military drill that had occurred months earlier as communications sent in the days prior to August 21. Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 26, 2014, 03:15:57 PM Since your sources conflict regularly with intelligence sources, I'm going to have to go with the professionals, rather than journalists with axes to grind and income to get from their followers. I don't see Assad disputing it to any great degree, pretty much all the world, except for you, is convinced that he is the one who pulled the trigger, so I'm just not worried about your take on who is particularly responsible for the attack on Ghouta..
Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 26, 2014, 03:28:40 PM But thank you for distracting a thread intended to point out the difference in response on American politics to your own private bete noirs. I hope to return the favor to you someday.
Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: zolace on August 26, 2014, 03:28:54 PM Since your sources conflict regularly with intelligence sources, I'm going to have to go with the professionals, rather than journalists with axes to grind and income to get from their followers. I don't see Assad disputing it to any great degree, pretty much all the world, except for you, is convinced that he is the one who pulled the trigger, so I'm just not worried about your take on who is particularly responsible for the attack on Ghouta.. Of course you can believe the American intelligence community, they always tell the truth.What interviews with Assad have you seen? He has denied it often enough in non-American media. A variety of American official lies.... A Redundant Presidential Ritual U.S. “Humanitarian” Bombing of Iraq: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39371.htm By Glenn Greenwald The U.S. military is not designed, and is not deployed, for “humanitarian” purposes? Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 26, 2014, 03:33:54 PM Since your sources conflict regularly with intelligence sources, I'm going to have to go with the professionals, rather than journalists with axes to grind and income to get from their followers. I don't see Assad disputing it to any great degree, pretty much all the world, except for you, is convinced that he is the one who pulled the trigger, so I'm just not worried about your take on who is particularly responsible for the attack on Ghouta.. Of course you can believe the American intelligence community, they always tell the truth.What interviews with Assad have you seen? He has denied it often enough in non-American media. A variety of American official lies.... A Redundant Presidential Ritual U.S. “Humanitarian” Bombing of Iraq: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39371.htm By Glenn Greenwald The U.S. military is not designed, and is not deployed, for “humanitarian” purposes? Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: zolace on August 26, 2014, 03:41:48 PM But thank you for distracting a thread intended to point out the difference in response on American politics to your own private bete noirs. I hope to return the favor to you someday. In other words, you can't dredge up a reply, no matter how weak!Here's another one trick pony, this time the anti-American is an American.... Washington Threatens The World http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39372.htm By Paul Craig Roberts Ask yourselves, when has Washington told you anything that was not a lie? Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: umair127 on August 26, 2014, 03:49:44 PM But thank you for distracting a thread intended to point out the difference in response on American politics to your own private bete noirs. I hope to return the favor to you someday. In other words, you can't dredge up a reply, no matter how weak!Here's another one trick pony, this time the anti-American is an American.... Washington Threatens The World http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39372.htm By Paul Craig Roberts Ask yourselves, when has Washington told you anything that was not a lie? I'm sure the Roman Senate would have agreed with my response to he and thee: "You'll get over it." Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: zolace on August 26, 2014, 03:52:24 PM But thank you for distracting a thread intended to point out the difference in response on American politics to your own private bete noirs. I hope to return the favor to you someday. In other words, you can't dredge up a reply, no matter how weak!Here's another one trick pony, this time the anti-American is an American.... Washington Threatens The World http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39372.htm By Paul Craig Roberts Ask yourselves, when has Washington told you anything that was not a lie? I'm sure the Roman Senate would have agreed with my response to he and thee: "You'll get over it." Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: sana8410 on August 26, 2014, 04:05:50 PM But thank you for distracting a thread intended to point out the difference in response on American politics to your own private bete noirs. I hope to return the favor to you someday. In other words, you can't dredge up a reply, no matter how weak!Here's another one trick pony, this time the anti-American is an American.... Washington Threatens The World http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39372.htm By Paul Craig Roberts Ask yourselves, when has Washington told you anything that was not a lie? I'm sure the Roman Senate would have agreed with my response to he and thee: "You'll get over it." Title: Re: Syria vs. ISIS Post by: zolace on August 26, 2014, 04:07:31 PM Umair127,i'm sure the 'they" remind you of America. (of course most Americans are eager to omit all references to the word 'empire', but......)
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