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ALL coins dead 15 minute warning !

'Earth will have 15 minutes to protect electronics' (http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/earth-will-have-15-minutes-to-protect-electronics/)


This will "knock out" all digital currencies and it could happen right now !

not "if" but when..

and the reality is most people will never even see the 15 minute warning.

also i brought this up on cryptsy chat before a couple times because i want people to be prepared even if they all laugh it off.
ya might as well get prepared before it's too late people !

Is this some kind of new business model? Are you trying to annoy people so much with your stupid posts that they send you bitcoin in order for you to stop?

Huh? What is this?

FTFY

"simple faraday cage"


https://www.google.com.au/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=simple+farday+cage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=2DLvU-LoNomE8Qeq3YGYDw#channel=fs&q=simple+faraday+cage&spell=1

faraday cage ? hmmm i will have to search that up !
sounds familiar.. didn't Zak use one of those on Ghost Adventures ?

and here is my BTC "extortion address" = 13SF62HQv4mQaTXv5XyeotpNeCQE5c5fZv
send me Bitcoin or i will give you all the "Spoetnik Treatment" !

anyway in all seriousness i would hope our society does not collapse that and so we could recover.
It would be pretty bad having say all power in North America Knocked out *again (it's happened before)
I'd prob want to keep as much on usb sticks etc as i could and hope the coins can live in if and when power is ever restored.
Although it could be so bad that it knocks our society back 50 or 100 years back to damn near the stone age.
We won't be rammblin' on about any Bitcoin that is for sure when a big enough CME hits us soon !

It's not me that is saying it either it's all of the worlds scientific communities and NASA and they have been telling us all along but do you listen ?

edit:
and the date of the story makes no difference..

all diesel systems are more "robust" to EMP

the US army adapted a Diesel Dirt-bike and many other pieces of hardware

the Russian Federation is very familiar with EMP, so are most other nation of the world.

this biggest risk is to transformer points of the electricity grid i think, oh also heaps of other "non essential" electronics.

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/Sergeis-Faraday-Cage-The-Darkest-Hour-concept-art.jpg

Okay, I'm ready! Mister Sun bring it  >:(

Damn i think you're ready.

Welcome to the prepper subculture! There's already lot of literature on prepping against an "EMP" attack, which is essentially the same phenomenon induced deliberately by a nuclear device being detonated 20-30 miles above the surface to generate an EMP or electro-magnetic pulse.

Fact sheet from the Wik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

Start Here: http://afteremp.com/

I've read that if one removes the cord from a microwave oven it can be used as a faraday cage.

There's some skepticism about that; some preppers who looked into it think it might not work all that well. But then again, they're perfectionists.

Who has watched Revolution? It's about the world without electricity. It's not that good, but not that bad:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2070791/

Nice show.

What's going to happen today?

Nothing. Spoetnik is trying to attract some attention to a world-without-electricity. (Or maybe he's trying to attract some attention to himself.) Looking forward for Spoetnik's long posts.

:)

Perfectionists with good reason but it's kind of like plugging the dam with your pinky. If our planet absorbed emp's on a widespread scale, whether from the sun or nukes 10 miles up,... cryptocurrency will be the least of our problems.

Imagine every hospital going dark. + All refrigeration failing at once. + All safety systems at nuclear facilities failing. I'm sure you all can come up with 100 or 1000 more items to add to the list.

Coronal mass ejections are not quite the same as an EMP i think.
Have you ever researched our history with them ?

The bottom line is it's happened 2x with major consequences in the last 100 years and we're due right now !
And with us being on the bleeding edge for front of digital currency tech i suggest we be prepared.
I didn't make this topic to troll.. i am DEAD SERIOUS here guys !

Half, Most or even ALL satellites could be wiped out instantly or with a few seconds warning tops..
almost simultaneously we would see the biggest light show in the skies any of you have seen in your life !
instead of Aurora's towards the north pole they would be hammering the living shit oft the equator.. all the way up tot he north pole !

The North American power grids have never been fixed and upgraded since this happened in the 90's stretching from Florida to Quebec.
And i doubt any other countries will fair much better.

The US military may have a bit protected fro their own use but it won't matter.. we the people do and we're not protected
and if your power is cut off we are super mega ultra fucked.. not up for debate this is a cold hard fact !
And so called digital currencies will be rendered useless !

We're ultra screwed and clock ticks i don't see any way around it.
It's going to happen and soon and that is that.. it's not up for debate LOL
If you knock out power to greater than 50% of the USA alone.. for more than a few days we are in serious trouble.
WW2 was started because of the NY stock market crash that caused a domino effect across the globe.. it's all interlinked across the globe.
Just like the 2003 release market housing crash and recession.. it effectively brought many other countries to their knee's !

Living on borrowed time and not much of it either guys.. and you can laugh all you want but no one will here you because there will be no internet.
I seen people saying on Cryptsy chat before that it was not possible to take the internet down and i think that is cute and adorable and seriously naive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_mass_ejection



This has knocked out our power grid on the east coast USA and Canada not all that long ago.
Satellites are critical to our way of life now..
100 years back we had telegraph machines spontaneously catching fire as well as other reports of fires
and we also had telegraphs that reportedly worked across the Atlantic ocean LOL
As well as news reports around the globe with northern lights on the fucking equator !

Every one should know what happened in those two incidents and this should be taken seriously.
and it applies to Crypto coins because we should be prepared to protect our coins and to plan for a time with no electricity.
If enough damage is done bad enough it would take that much longer to repair it and the longer your out of power the worse it's going to get !

Love that picture.

anyone knows if CD/DVD are EMP-resistant?
Because any data on hard disk and USB keys/flash memories would be probably pretty much FUBAR

In a world without electronics, even gold would become a worthless commodity.

I'm stocking up on tinned beans. Currency of the future.

While the OP may be crazy. A CME/solar flare could be disastrous to a crypto currency. We should safeguard against this.

Really ? why would gold be worthless ?
I always assumed it would be the go to currency when fiat fails..

And USB drives etc NOT safe ?
hmm ? if they don't have active power i thought they would maybe be ok but i am not sure.

This problem is a key reason why i think digital currencies could never take over and we will always need a fiat or something.
What i see released for Altcoins does not suit a no electricity situation.. all that i have seen would be rendered useless pretty much.

PS: I loved that picture and thanks for the replies serious or not.. i loved them both funny and informative / insightful.

And this is not a new thought i had.. i have thought this all along and talked about it in Crypto before.
some guys may want to reconsider having TOO MUCH invested in altcoins considering they are reliant on electricity.

I don't see this as paranoia as more a clock ticking until it happens again and last time with New York we in North America got lucky..
And since then we have expanded our reliance on electricity AND satellites by leaps and bounds (since 1991)
There is lots of other threats that could hit us like a gamma ray burst etc..
But when it comes to the most probable and highly likely to happen some time soon the biggest concern for me of them all is a CME.

edit:
I don't want people to think i am a nutjob or trolling !
I like conspiracy talk stuff but i find most of it bs.
Like there is a lot more dangers i was just trying to say but their time scales are today or in a 100+ years etc
I sure as hell don't think we will have to wait 100 years for a CME they do in fact his us a lot.. and it's a very real and active threat.
The only panic mongering NASA does is about CME's for example they don't warn the public about ANYTHING else.
So if you can't take the world scientists and NASA giving you a LOUD warning then who will you all take a warning from then ?

I guess that any electronics exposed to an EMP would be fried for good.

Could be an up side to it, any mortgages or other debt could be erased also. I suspect that very little backup tape/ SAN storage is stored in a EMP safe zone. Would be awe-full hard to restore everything from Paper archives.

Zeroing things out could be awesome!  ;D First rule of fight club...

maybe, if you keep your coins in a paper wallet.

Very nice read on the subject:

http://www.futurescience.com/emp/emp-protection.html

I just Faraday wrapped my portable shortwave radio and Geiger counter. (Orange Alert :D)

You can't Faraday cage the huge machines needed to the energy production and transmission, neither the places from the internet core, etc...
And I guess transmissers and receivers won't work inside a faraday jail.

So you will have your computer intact, but it will be useless because all the electricity infraestructure will be compromissed

At least two books have gone into that in great detail:

"One Second After"
http://www.amazon.com/One-Second-After-William-Forstchen/dp/0765356864

"Lights Out"
http://www.amazon.com/Lights-Out-David-Crawford/dp/0615427359/ref=pd_sim_b_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=13885XW988WSKR2CXTWD

tinned beans to the mooooooon!  ;D

Those damned pyramid building Egyptians, their habitual phone texting delayed the pyramids by ~10 years.

Spoetnik you big retard, how boring this community will be without you.

Don't forget the precious metals brass and lead. ;)

That would be scary. Poor Nakamoto. Imagine if all his coins went to 0  :'(

The sun is not what you think. In fact is it is getting weaker again not stronger.

The sun is transforming from another dimension.  ( Is the sun hollow? YES, 2:50)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOcCTbrd1zU

meet Eric Dollard the only person alive to recreate lost tesla tech
http://ericpdollard.com/

Wouldn't a coin be revived as soon as 1 person ran the client again and started to mine?
Then again, after such a storm there would be a rush among people to start their clients. In such a scenario that is.

Yes! with most of the wallets lost and electronics fried it would be 2009 all over again!

this !

you my friend schooled me on "clever" LOL

do you seriously and honestly think the threat is nothing to worry about ?
wow .
why do you think NASA mentions this all the time ? Flat out your screwed they say ?

When you call me a retard for saying this your calling the entire worlds scientists and NASA and other Space Agencies etc RETARDS !
Who in gods name do you think i heard this from in the first place ?

I think humanity is doomed and it's because of people like you who refuse to take serious problems seriously
because it threatens your comfort zone or something..

I love saying i told you so and i get to do it lot but when it's this big of a problem i just feel sorry for people :/

Priorities..
It's a well known fact that since the last time this ALREADY happened and knocked out a massive chunk of the power grid
nothing has been done to protect the system in place.. and with NASA saying for 10 or 20 straight year or something
that that it's a matter of "when" not "if" then what guys ? Are you gambling that it's unlikely to happen anytime soon ?
It's so remote of a possibility it's not even worth looking at improving the North American electrical grid ?
You want to know what "Retarded" is  Caesar V ?
Knowing about a threat that could decimate our society and doing nothing to even warn people never mind making plans to improve the situation..
Retard is calling the guy warning you a retard when one could hit us right now !

If most of North America losses it's satellites and power grid we're screwed from an infrastructure stand point and this is not retard talk this is a fact.
If the power isn't put back on i estimate by the time the shelves are emptied in ransacked super markets we're ultra fucked !
There is too many people to start hunting for deer in the woods or something.

And hey let's not do anything about it and better yet lets not even talk about it and even better if anyone does lets call them a retard !
and hey EVEN better yet lets make endless new digital currencies 1,000's of them that all rely on electricity to function..
pure brilliance  ::)

I agree that from a "risk assesment" perspective then large EM event could devestate bitcoin, wiping out alot of coin, only cold wallets saved.

So even if the chances of it happening are small, it is still a large risk because the ramifications are so high.

But seriously, what could be done to protect against it?

All that we could possibly do is minimise coin loss by having everyone physically store their private key data, this would maximise recovery attempts after EMP.

If only a few people had large cold wallets then their value would drop to near zero after EMP even if the network was re-established, because not enough people hold coin anymore.

We could get hit by an asteroid tomorrow. This is a real possibility look it up.

But don't worry this threat has been attacking the earth from the dawn of time



Be prepared for any loss of data I have been told regardless of an emp, solar flare, etc etc




dont worry about your coins and the reliance on electricity,

1) all currency runs on electricity and will be hurt to some degree if this happens

2) electricity (and/or alternate energy sources) is the new mining source, instead of a gold mines you have data mining - relying on electricity as the source/mine

The rush for many would finish when they hit their system on switch to find a blank screen.

The only way to make an EMP proof system/miner would be to have a good Farraday box with multi layer gauze air intake/exhaust.

Data line can be a thin fiber optic, no problem.

Power feed would need some consideration:

You could have a small fuel driven generator within the box, and if you had a 15 minute warning then you could unplug the box from the mains and put it on generator power.

You could even feed grid power in without exposing system to EM risk: using an electric motor that drives a generator, the mechanical coupling having a plastic section in it.

Think how smug you would be to have the only running system on your block! Shame the net would be down for for quite a while after though so you couldn't troll around forums with other leet protected nerds :D

Yeah anythings possible, but I consider EMP to be higher threat than asteroid.

Remember nuke weapons aren't a conspiracy theory, thousands have been built and are being mantained, some old bastard warhawk may want to see a good show before they pop their clogs, you never know how it may start.

Also remember that EMPs don't mean MAD (Mutually assured destruction).

EMPs will be the first nuclear weapon flavors to be exchanged and could well decide the victor before the higher yield ground nukes were lit.

Just one "Starfish Prime" like HEMP device would fry almost all unprotected modern microelectronics in the united states.

Modern circuits, IC circuits with junctions widths in the tens of nm range are very static sensitive, back then (1962) semiconductors were big chunks of silicon in metal cans, like comparing a boulder to a microscope slide with regards strength.

From my understanding, wouldn't it take at least two nodes?

Interesting topic. You mention this happened in NY previously. When?

Would this plasma cloud affect the globe or just the sections facing the sun at the time?

Need to protect your wallet? Paper will work for 50 years or so.
 

your delusional and living in a false sense of security and your going to be running around in circles crying and
panicking caught flat footed because you were too ignorant to even psychologically entertain
the possibilities in a rational and fair and honest way.. i pity you to be honest.

you ignore the obvious.. I JUST told you the scientists of earth prob rank this is as top threat off all !
A super Volcano for example could go off but they estimate that it won't happen as soon as a CME based on scientific probability.. AKA: MATH
You deny the math is wrong ? well sorry you can't LOL
Feel free to try though..

Seriously we need to flush the toilet on humans.. most of you out there are too stupid and selfish to live on my earth.
With out getting people concerned about real threats then we have no way of stopping them.

And we need everyone on-board or any attempt to save our race is and always will be doomed.
Life revolves around cocky douche bags sitting at home watching HD TV and getting cocky about Science and Math and spouting off on the internet
while the the planet scientists are wrong..  ::)
and it's pathetic beyond comprehension when you can't accept reality and even worse that
entertaining the idea costs so little to you, but instead you guys have to argue and insult guys who want to watch out for our earth.

Humanity is doomed and extinct already because there is a majority of guys out there that have this cocky selfish attitude.

Nasa just announced that they estimate in anew study that the Chelyabinsk meteor that his Russia was a common occurrence.
and that about 14 of those hit our planet a year and then break up in the atmosphere and they said they had no idea.. This news is 1 week old.
But i am glad internet experts know more than Nasa and already have all of the universe figured out  ::)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/9874662/Russian-meteor-exploded-with-force-of-30-Hiroshima-bombs.html

I remember that day and how comet ISON was the big story and had JUST passed us.. and then they said had popped out from behind the sun and hit us
a lot of people found it coincidental but our eyes were focused looking right but we got a punch in the head from the left..

@mymenace
Everything you said is a load of stupid bullshit !
No shit that is not what i was talking about for one thing second of all we DO get plowed by them so whats your point ?
That we get warnings and they never come ? LOL ..wait till Comet Apophis makes you piss your little pants smart ass AHAhahah
And we have highlighted that the risk assessment is far greater on CME than pother commonly talked about threats.. so again WTF are you on about ?


Oh really ?

uhh No LOL

DO be worried be VERY worried !
Why because we're dumb !
Instead of improving things we make things worse more and more.. by relying on NOT JUST electricity but Satellites.

Spoetnik, the recently crowned king of trolls.

If we're talking just about fiat collapsing, yes, gold would be the go-to currency. If governments fall or there's complete social breakdown, there's going to be anarchy and rioting. There won't be any markets for gold, unless there's some general consensus that gold is a valuable bartering commodity. I think people will be more interested in trading goods directly.

I'd focus on having the things needed to survive. If gold becomes bartering currency, at least I have something valuable to barter with, than if gold were worthless, and I've just got pockets full of useless metal.

If it kills altcoins, i would also lose all my money on my bank account, no?  ;D

hmm interesting replies..
I wonder what can we do other just paper wallets though ?

calling someone a troll when they are not trolling coming from a troll is in fact trolling ;)

Seems it may be quite simple;

http://diymaketech.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/how-to-make-portable-emp-proof-container.html

Now we just need to brand some metal cases "EMP-proof Cryptovault" and bring on the monies.