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Title: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated 12 times a day. Post by: stochastic on March 30, 2012, 08:23:17 AM Check out Stochastically.com (http://www.stochastically.com) for up to date dividend return information.
Sponsors: [ur=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29927l]usagi[/url] - CPA (http://www.tsukino.ca/cpa/) Donators: Ocean6 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61685) http://stochastically.com/img/sto.png Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: mila on March 30, 2012, 08:29:16 AM hm PureMining pays dividends several times per week. How do you calculate the weekly amount?
Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on March 30, 2012, 08:31:01 AM hm PureMining pays dividends several times per week. How do you calculate the weekly amount? I just calculated the 3 dividends (http://bitcoinpuremining.com/) they paid out over the time period I listed. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on March 30, 2012, 08:56:16 AM I made a correction to the table. Seemed there was a 5 multiplied in there on my spreadsheet that I overlooked.
Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: friedcat on March 30, 2012, 09:03:55 AM Note: Deviations in dividend returns between listed companies may be due to the percentage of profit returned to shareholders. Search the forums for information on the specific listed company. I have not listed companies that have not sent a dividend payment in GLBSE 2.0 or only sent practice dividends. Weekly dividend amount is the sum of all dividends sent out in the time frame listed. Could you please remove this week's data of our company (MU) from the main thread? :) Because that are exactly practice dividends (for both practice and cleaning up our former funds). We are afraid that it would bring confusion and scare off our potential investors. Thanks very much. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on March 30, 2012, 09:05:15 AM Note: Deviations in dividend returns between listed companies may be due to the percentage of profit returned to shareholders. Search the forums for information on the specific listed company. I have not listed companies that have not sent a dividend payment in GLBSE 2.0 or only sent practice dividends. Weekly dividend amount is the sum of all dividends sent out in the time frame listed. Could you please remove this week's data of our company (MU) from the main thread? :) Because that are exactly practice dividends (for both practice and cleaning up our former funds). We are afraid that it would bring confusion and scare off our potential investors. Thanks very much. done Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: HorseRider on March 30, 2012, 11:52:13 AM The Cognitive have paid dividend twice since its IPO. the dividend come from the loan service of 1gh/s mining power for the Cognitive before the FPGA boards are arrive and set up.
Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on March 30, 2012, 12:45:54 PM The Cognitive have paid dividend twice since its IPO. the dividend come from the loan service of 1gh/s mining power for the Cognitive before the FPGA boards are arrive and set up. Those were test dividends and as I stated in the OP that I would not include those. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg816772#msg816772 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg821357#msg821357 Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: HorseRider on March 30, 2012, 12:50:48 PM The Cognitive have paid dividend twice since its IPO. the dividend come from the loan service of 1gh/s mining power for the Cognitive before the FPGA boards are arrive and set up. Those were test dividends and as I stated in the OP that I would not include those. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg816772#msg816772 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg821357#msg821357 But the test dividend is coming from the mining operation but not a return back of capital contribution. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg816923#msg816923 Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on March 30, 2012, 01:05:05 PM The Cognitive have paid dividend twice since its IPO. the dividend come from the loan service of 1gh/s mining power for the Cognitive before the FPGA boards are arrive and set up. Those were test dividends and as I stated in the OP that I would not include those. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg816772#msg816772 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg821357#msg821357 But the test dividend is coming from the mining operation but not a return back of capital contribution. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg816923#msg816923 I was thinking of adding Cognitive but as Garr stated that they were tests I did not want to post information that may be misunderstood. Looking at the page linked (http://cognitivemining.com/) it does not list any things that could generate bitcoins as being owned or rented by Cognitive. I will just wait until they release actual dividends from the mining rigs just like I am waiting for BTCSYN and RSM to also do, unless Cognitive sends out another dividend and does not list them as tests again. I think Garr said in a few weeks the mining rigs will be up. I am a shareholder in Cognitive so I will know when that happens. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: HorseRider on March 30, 2012, 01:24:02 PM I was thinking of adding Cognitive but as Garr stated that they were tests I did not want to post information that may be misunderstood. Looking at the page linked (http://cognitivemining.com/) it does not list any things that could generate bitcoins as being owned or rented by Cognitive. I will just wait until they release actual dividends from the mining rigs just like I am waiting for BTCSYN and RSM to also do, unless Cognitive sends out another dividend and does not list them as tests again. I think Garr said in a few weeks the mining rigs will be up. I am a shareholder in Cognitive so I will know when that happens. Maybe you're right. the 1g/s mining rig loaned to the Cognitive is some kind of IPO seducing, which should not be treated as a regular operation. And the young kids seems don't pay much serious attention to this 1g/s mining rig, and paid dividend from this loan rig in a random and emotional ("test") way, though the intention is good. Just like BTCSYN, the 6g/s mining power is rent to the company at the cost of half the company's shares, but they set up a transparent site to show the statistics of the mining rig. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on March 30, 2012, 03:13:09 PM Your information is wrong. MergedMining has never paid that low of a dividend per share... Looks like A) you aren't a shareholder B) you didn't do your homework very well. <rant>Sorry for the 'tone' of this message, but it really bothers me that I am constantly having to take the time to correct information that people post about MergedMining due to their lack of ability to actually perform decent research. Please people, if you are going to attempt to provide the community with information, make sure you actually know what you are doing.</rant> No problem, I see what might have happened. During the migration from 1.0 to 2.0 the history was not moved over, but if my records are correct I was paid 0.1921980 BTC for the 302 shares I had at that time. That is 0.000622 BTC per share I had. Also, here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47490.msg817393#msg817393) you state that 6.22 BTC was paid. With 10,000 shares that is 0.000622 BTC per share. The previous dividend on 3/19/2012 was for 0.00128976 BTC per share. How much did you send per share? I can update the information if what I have is incorrect. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on March 30, 2012, 03:50:59 PM Your information is wrong. MergedMining has never paid that low of a dividend per share... Looks like A) you aren't a shareholder B) you didn't do your homework very well. <rant>Sorry for the 'tone' of this message, but it really bothers me that I am constantly having to take the time to correct information that people post about MergedMining due to their lack of ability to actually perform decent research. Please people, if you are going to attempt to provide the community with information, make sure you actually know what you are doing.</rant> No problem, I see what might have happened. During the migration from 1.0 to 2.0 the history was not moved over, but if my records are correct I was paid 0.1921980 BTC for the 302 shares I had at that time. That is 0.000622 BTC per share I had. Also, here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47490.msg817393#msg817393) you state that 6.22 BTC was paid. With 10,000 shares that is 0.000622 BTC per share. The previous dividend on 3/19/2012 was for 0.00128976 BTC per share. How much did you send per share? I can update the information if what I have is incorrect. My apologies in advance for sounding like a dick, but this is more wrong information. We pay 0.001 BTC per week per share and it has been this way for quite some time. You basing the dividend % off the total number of shares created shows that you don't understand how dividends work on the GLBSE and perhaps someone else should be in charge of providing the community with this information. No disrespect, but misinformation on public forums is not helpful to anyone in the community. Your current metrics skew the numbers in favor of assets who have exhausted their entire supply of shares, meaning the companies who have absolutely no "skin in the game" are getting higher ratings then companies that actually take a stake in their operation. Sort of backwards in my opinion. That is why I state that people should search the forums for differences in reason for discrepancies between the dividend rates between companies. For example, TyGrr only pays out 50% of profits after taking a portion to pay Goat and electricity. Unfortunately, you paid your most recent dividend not long before the switch to 2.0 so the record of that last dividend had to be estimated. I will just leave MergedMining off the list until next week when MergedMining pays a dividend on 2.0. I post this here as I already am doing this information for myself. You are free to post your own dividend information like I do, ignore this thread if you like, or post rebuttals to any information I post. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on March 30, 2012, 04:11:05 PM Just correcting misinformation as I see it for the good of the community. I do love the "take my ball and go home" approach to having your flaws pointed out though. Hopefully Nefario can get something accurate in place soon. This is definitely a metric the community would benefit from if done correctly. How did I "take my ball and go home"? I stated I will correct any information that was incorrect and even said for you to keep adding any rebuttals if you disagree with what I posted. I will update the OP again next week with new dividend payment information and MergedMining should be on the list as it should be paying out soon. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: finway on March 30, 2012, 05:18:38 PM This is helpful, thanks!
Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: filharvey on April 14, 2012, 07:10:14 PM Thanks this is a great list to keep an eye on, especially with the couple of new launches this week, offerering 3% / week and 28% / month.
Phil Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 14, 2012, 07:23:30 PM Thanks this is a great list to keep an eye on, especially with the couple of new launches this week, offerering 3% / week and 28% / month. Phil Thanks. I plan on adding more information to the table next week so there are more things to compare against GLBSE listed contracts. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: marked on April 14, 2012, 09:13:03 PM don't suppose you could add IPO price, IPO-ROI, and cumulative dividend payments (either in total or since GLBSE 2.0 started, because presumably there may not be that information for some assets.)
This might give more informed opinion on whether to join particular assets early at preIPO/IPO, or wait a few weeks until it settles. marked Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 14, 2012, 09:29:19 PM don't suppose you could add IPO price, IPO-ROI, and cumulative dividend payments (either in total or since GLBSE 2.0 started, because presumably there may not be that information for some assets.) This might give more informed opinion on whether to join particular assets early at preIPO/IPO, or wait a few weeks until it settles. marked I could add in cumulative dividends in to date, most places have recorded their dividend payments somewhere. I am also going to add in a column for MHash/BTC for the pure mining companies. I think showing that information would be more fair to the mining contracts that may not pay out +95% of the earnings to dividends. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 15, 2012, 01:20:12 PM History
Monthly Dividend Returns April 2012 (http://bit.ly/KgJcjC) Weekly Dividend Returns 2012-05-05 to 2012-05-11 (http://bit.ly/L85EpF) 2012-05-12 to 2012-05-18 (http://bit.ly/MOrTWP) 2012-05-19 to 2012-05-25 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0jlloch2qyzi69/2012-05-19to2012-05-25.csv) 2012-05-26 to 2012-06-01 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/kc36cp1zevicfdb/2012-05-26to2012-06-01.csv) Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Sukrim on April 15, 2012, 02:51:34 PM Maybe the following sheet can help you (or others) for monthly dividend returns.
It parses any asset on GLBSE that you enter automatically and fills in the data for 2012. "Test dividends" by some assets are (of course) not deducted (there is no way of marking them as such) and I didn't implement comparison of multiple assets or a trade history (for ROI), as Nefario said "GLBSE 2.1" with an API might already be around the corner. Still I hope it can be of some use at least, feel free to copy/improve it! Viewing rights only (I don't want to deal with vandalism), please copy the contents/formulas to a spreadsheet you own yourself. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjDrki5tpdL3dC1VdGE5VXZBb3pUUnR3ZXcyWUNtT3c Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: jamesg on April 15, 2012, 02:55:31 PM Hi stochastic,
I will be paying dividends on the 16th. I would appreciate being added to your weekly update. Please PM me if you need anything from me. Best, gigavps Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 15, 2012, 03:10:45 PM Hi stochastic, I will be paying dividends on the 16th. I would appreciate being added to your weekly update. Please PM me if you need anything from me. Best, gigavps Yes I will add it. I will keep an eye for it. I go through the assets each week to look for which have paid. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on April 15, 2012, 04:03:01 PM YABMC (https://glbse.com/asset/view/YABMC) as well ;)
Dividend will be paid soon after diff change (~April 26). Thanks in advance stochastic! If you need anything I am just a PM away... Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 15, 2012, 10:03:25 PM don't suppose you could add IPO price, IPO-ROI, and cumulative dividend payments (either in total or since GLBSE 2.0 started, because presumably there may not be that information for some assets.) This might give more informed opinion on whether to join particular assets early at preIPO/IPO, or wait a few weeks until it settles. marked Does anyone know the IPO prices of some for some of these assets? Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on April 16, 2012, 12:37:55 AM don't suppose you could add IPO price, IPO-ROI, and cumulative dividend payments (either in total or since GLBSE 2.0 started, because presumably there may not be that information for some assets.) This might give more informed opinion on whether to join particular assets early at preIPO/IPO, or wait a few weeks until it settles. marked Does anyone know the IPO prices of some for some of these assets? Similar type of thread here -- they are digging into IPO pricing as well ==> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76768.0 Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Garr255 on April 16, 2012, 02:25:26 AM Cool. I'll be watching this.
Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: organofcorti on April 16, 2012, 04:05:41 AM Great idea, stochastic.
About the week coupon returns: if you add a column for a four week moving average of the weekly returns, a better comparison can be drawn between the different bonds - as long as each bond pays out at least once per difficulty period. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 16, 2012, 04:33:35 AM Great idea, stochastic. About the week coupon returns: if you add a column for a four week moving average of the weekly returns, a better comparison can be drawn between the different bonds - as long as each bond pays out at least once per difficulty period. Nice idea. Next week will be the first full 4 weeks for some of them so I will try to add what you suggested. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: organofcorti on April 16, 2012, 04:47:49 AM Great idea, stochastic. About the week coupon returns: if you add a column for a four week moving average of the weekly returns, a better comparison can be drawn between the different bonds - as long as each bond pays out at least once per difficulty period. Nice idea. Next week will be the first full 4 weeks for some of them so I will try to add what you suggested. You could also/instead do an average over each difficulty period if that makes more sense. Keep up the great work, stochastic. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: MPOE-PR on April 16, 2012, 11:25:30 AM The one problem that I can see is
Quote Note: Deviations in dividend returns between listed companies may be due to the percentage of profit returned to shareholders. Search the forums for information on the specific listed company. The problem could be that to some degree we're comparing apples with oranges, a company retaining 90% of earnings and paying 1 BTC in dividends would appear significantly worse from an ROI perspective than another retaining but 10% of earnings and paying 2 BTC in dividends. However, on a fair-basis comparison the first made 10 BTC and the second ~2.22. Would it be possible to maybe add an extra column or two, stating at the least the declared % of earnings passed on as dividends and at the most an adjusted ROI? Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Sukrim on April 16, 2012, 01:46:03 PM The problem could be that to some degree we're comparing apples with oranges, a company retaining 90% of earnings and paying 1 BTC in dividends would appear significantly worse from an ROI perspective than another retaining but 10% of earnings and paying 2 BTC in dividends. However, on a fair-basis comparison the first made 10 BTC and the second ~2.22. Still the first returned 1 BTC and the other 2 BTC - this IS significatly worse from a ROI perspective! It's called "ROI" after all, not "company growth factor". If people want to invest in companies that make great profits but keep them, that's possible too. This chart is called "GLBSE Dividend Returns" though, so a (potentially made up) earnings figure that cannot be checked anywhere and that won't be returned toshare holders is something that is not useful in this context imho.Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 16, 2012, 05:20:32 PM The problem could be that to some degree we're comparing apples with oranges, a company retaining 90% of earnings and paying 1 BTC in dividends would appear significantly worse from an ROI perspective than another retaining but 10% of earnings and paying 2 BTC in dividends. However, on a fair-basis comparison the first made 10 BTC and the second ~2.22. Still the first returned 1 BTC and the other 2 BTC - this IS significatly worse from a ROI perspective! It's called "ROI" after all, not "company growth factor". If people want to invest in companies that make great profits but keep them, that's possible too. This chart is called "GLBSE Dividend Returns" though, so a (potentially made up) earnings figure that cannot be checked anywhere and that won't be returned toshare holders is something that is not useful in this context imho.It is pretty simple to search the forums to see the what percentage the company is holding and how much is being paid to shareholders. That is why I put that disclaimer there so that people would know this. I don't recommend anyone to just look at this chart and purchase or sell assets based on the information. This table is a good starting point to investigate and see why there are differences between the assets. I have read through each listing enough I have most of them memorized. Also they can change if there is a motion and I don't want to miss a motion and have false information. As for companies that retain earnings for future, that takes a lot of trust in a company to allow them to hold a percentage of the earnings. There are some companies that don't really report their earnings or expenses publicly. There are some that report everything. Also some of the assets are bonds and some are shares. The apples to apples comparison is how much money is given back to asset holders. Unless the company has some way to increase asset holder value, only then should they retain earnings. I would suggest that most of the price appreciation of assets on GLBSE is due to a continuous dividend payout to asset holders and not some intrinsic value of the assets. Until there is better financial disclosure and accounting from these companies I would say 100% dividend returns is the way to go. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 16, 2012, 10:43:32 PM Can a mod move this to the new Securities subforum?
Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Sukrim on April 16, 2012, 10:51:27 PM Can a mod move this to the new Securities subforum? Why? From the description: Quote Topics about exchange sites which deal in securities should go in the top-level Marketplace section. Title: Re: GLBSE Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 16, 2012, 11:09:54 PM Can a mod move this to the new Securities subforum? Why? From the description: Quote Topics about exchange sites which deal in securities should go in the top-level Marketplace section. The OP is not about GLBSE, it is about dividends of securities on GLBSE. It follows Quote This section is for topics about individual Bitcoin bonds, stocks, etc Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: MPOE-PR on April 17, 2012, 09:54:44 AM Quote The apples to apples comparison is how much money is given back to asset holders. Hm, I guess in the end that's a perfectly valid way to look at it too. Cash-flow only investment as it were. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: jamesg on April 17, 2012, 09:56:50 AM Quote The apples to apples comparison is how much money is given back to asset holders. Hm, I guess in the end that's a perfectly valid way to look at it too. Cash-flow only investment as it were. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/perpetualbond.asp Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 18, 2012, 09:44:16 AM TyGrr reinvests 50% of its dividends back into new hardware adding value to the company. Can this be reflected in its dividend payments? Thanks. No, that is why I added the disclaimer for people to search the forums for specific retained earnings. I was thinking of putting a Mhash/current price column and/or a total weekly gross/net earnings column but unlike the dividend payment any financial reporting is really just taken on faith and trust. I think GLBSE should have some standard reporting ability so that evaluation and comparison of securities is easier, but the number of securities that are issued is still low and I don't see why people can't take the time to read all information regarding these securities. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: kakobrekla on April 18, 2012, 11:49:25 AM TyGrr reinvests 50% of its dividends back into new hardware adding value to the company. Can this be reflected in its dividend payments? Thanks. So your payout is effective 45% pps (including 5% fee, excluding elect. costs)? Sorry, but I'm having hard time following what are you paying. You claimed 100%pps at the begining in the other thread, yet your contracts states 5% fee + electricity costs. I didn't see any mention of expansion. Congratulations on creating a mess. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: kakobrekla on April 18, 2012, 11:53:50 AM TyGrr reinvests 50% of its dividends back into new hardware adding value to the company. Can this be reflected in its dividend payments? Thanks. So your payout is effective 45% pps (including 5% fee, excluding elect. costs)? 47.5% goes into dividends. 47.5% goes into the bank for new hardware. 5% goes to me. Thanks, I will reflect that in the other thread. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Sukrim on April 18, 2012, 12:15:01 PM TyGrr reinvests 50% of its dividends back into new hardware adding value to the company. Can this be reflected in its dividend payments? Thanks. So your payout is effective 45% pps (including 5% fee, excluding elect. costs)? 47.5% goes into dividends. 47.5% goes into the bank for new hardware. 5% goes to me. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: jamesg on April 18, 2012, 12:37:45 PM Yes, we pay for electricity first. We are a mining company not a bond. We have real assets as well :) Hard to really compare these side by side. I would agree with Goat that his investment compared to mine might be hard to compare or would at least require a more in depth comparison. Goat, I am not sure what you mean with the statement "We have real assets". Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: jamesg on April 18, 2012, 12:47:19 PM Assets was not the best word I could have used. I meant ownership in hardware. When someone buys my stock they get part ownership of real hardware and the cash from that hardware if we ever sell it. So not only do they get dividends but they get real goods as well. I know you have real hardware but the people who buy your bonds to not get part ownership of it. I sold stock in a mining company and you sold bonds. Both are fine, just hard to have side by side. Thanks. Thank you for clarifying your thoughts. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 21, 2012, 06:00:32 AM Does anyone know any information about the assets MATH or FPGA-EU? I have searched the forums but have not found any information regarding them.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: marked on April 21, 2012, 09:43:20 PM Does anyone know any information about the assets MATH or FPGA-EU? I have searched the forums but have not found any information regarding them. did that include the glbse forums at https://glbse.com/forum/index.php I'm currently locked out until I get a password reset, but I also did a hunt around for these earlier this week and couldn't find anything. marked Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 22, 2012, 06:56:57 AM Does anyone know any information about the assets MATH or FPGA-EU? I have searched the forums but have not found any information regarding them. did that include the glbse forums at https://glbse.com/forum/index.php I'm currently locked out until I get a password reset, but I also did a hunt around for these earlier this week and couldn't find anything. marked Yes I did, but in their search nothing comes up for these. I added FPGA-EU because it seems to have weekly dividends. MATH payed out a dividend but I am not sure if it is weekly. I will be adding a monthly dividend payout at the end of this month. I am looking forward to the API. If it does not come out soon I may write something that will just take the twitter feed and do this automatically for me. I have never looked at the Twitter feed before, and doing it now I don't see any notification of dividends. I only see trades, but I will keep an eye on it. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: friedcat on April 22, 2012, 07:14:53 AM Nice work stochastic. I hope this could calm down some pricing craziness of certain assets in the GLBSE in the long run. One suggestion though: is it more appropriate to calculate the dividend returns with (dividend of last week)/(average price of last week)? It could prevent someone from manipulating the result by putting a fake ask wall, say, 1-2 hours before you post each week's report. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 22, 2012, 07:46:20 AM Nice work stochastic. I hope this could calm down some pricing craziness of certain assets in the GLBSE in the long run. One suggestion though: is it more appropriate to calculate the dividend returns with (dividend of last week)/(average price of last week)? It could prevent someone from manipulating the result by putting a fake ask wall, say, 1-2 hours before you post each week's report. I don't think my weekly reports has that much of an impact on prices. There has only been 1307 views in 3 weeks, or maybe that is a lot but I don't know. I really just report them because I do it myself anyway and I wanted to see what the market wants for weekly returns. I wanted the weekly dividend report to give an estimated return in dividends for the next week based on what they could get at that moment. I could add the previous weeks low, high, and weighted mean. I really don't believe in fake bid/ask walls are well manipulation tools unless they are naked. If someone puts up an ask with the purpose of manipulating the dividend rate (which would essentially increase the dividend percentage on my tables), then it is entirely possible that someone can purchase those contracts and get the assets at that price with the estimated dividend rate. I hope that people don't just look at the dividend return percentage and make a bid. That would be crazy. For one, future dividends are not dependent on past dividends. The next week's dividends can be due to mining difficulty, competency of the asset manager, earnings changes, or equipment failure. Also, the price may change. What someone could do with this table is to take the weekly total dividend that I report and find the estimated dividend return on the ask price at the time they are thinking of buying. Over time we can also see what is the rate of change in the dividend amounts over the weeks. Which assets are declining and which are rising. With the mining stocks we can look at the change in dividend rate and the difficulty level. In the future I hope with the API that this kind of information can be reported in real time like it is done with other financial assets. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: friedcat on April 22, 2012, 07:59:51 AM Nice work stochastic. I hope this could calm down some pricing craziness of certain assets in the GLBSE in the long run. One suggestion though: is it more appropriate to calculate the dividend returns with (dividend of last week)/(average price of last week)? It could prevent someone from manipulating the result by putting a fake ask wall, say, 1-2 hours before you post each week's report. I don't think my weekly reports has that much of an impact on prices. There has only been 1307 views in 3 weeks, or maybe that is a lot but I don't know. I really just report them because I do it myself anyway and I wanted to see what the market wants for weekly returns. I wanted the weekly dividend report to give an estimated return in dividends for the next week based on what they could get at that moment. I could add the previous weeks low, high, and weighted mean. I really don't believe in fake bid/ask walls are well manipulation tools unless they are naked. If someone puts up an ask with the purpose of manipulating the dividend rate (which would essentially increase the dividend percentage on my tables), then it is entirely possible that someone can purchase those contracts and get the assets at that price with the estimated dividend rate. I hope that people don't just look at the dividend return percentage and make a bid. That would be crazy. For one, future dividends are not dependent on past dividends. The next week's dividends can be due to mining difficulty, competency of the asset manager, earnings changes, or equipment failure. Also, the price may change. What someone could do with this table is to take the weekly total dividend that I report and find the estimated dividend return on the ask price at the time they are thinking of buying. Over time we can also see what is the rate of change in the dividend amounts over the weeks. Which assets are declining and which are rising. With the mining stocks we can look at the change in dividend rate and the difficulty level. In the future I hope with the API that this kind of information can be reported in real time like it is done with other financial assets. Wow I didn't expect such a long and detailed reply. :) Quote I could add the previous weeks low, high, and weighted mean. That would be great. Thanks for your answer. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: marked on April 22, 2012, 09:53:38 PM ... I will be adding a monthly dividend payout at the end of this month. I am looking forward to the API. If it does not come out soon I may write something that will just take the twitter feed and do this automatically for me. I have never looked at the Twitter feed before, and doing it now I don't see any notification of dividends. I only see trades, but I will keep an eye on it. You'd be better off with beautifulsoup or similar to screenscrape until the api comes out, which was supposed to have been by now. Dividends are not recorded in the twitter feed - might be worth getting nefario to add. There is also an IRC feed on #bitcoin-assets-trades which lists in the format, [22:24:07] <+`MBot> [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ FPGA-EU ] [ 2 @ 0.36 = 0.720000 BTC ] [22:24:45] <+`MBot> [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ PUREMINING ] [ 2 @ 0.37 = 0.740000 BTC ] #bitcoin-assets also has chat in it about glbse and mpex, along with the ability to get volume information with the command !ticker <SYMBOL>. marked Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: tgmarks on April 25, 2012, 05:44:15 PM really appreciate someone keeping track of this in a single place for us to see
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 26, 2012, 10:29:48 PM I have been working on something to get the weekly high, low, and weighted average for these securities. What I have planned is not complete yet but I was able to pull the last 3200 trades off of the GLBSE twitter feed. I am sharing the data in a csv file (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?czj0fzdgrmb28j2). Depending on the future API, I plan to work on this so I can have better tools to analyze GLBSE listed securities.
With this data I can modify it to produce an Open, High, Low, Close, and Adjusted format. It will also be able to see the volume for each of the securities instead of the total volume since birth. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on April 26, 2012, 11:56:51 PM YABMC first dividend will be paid by 1100 UTC 27 April - just FYI - since we are not on a weekly schedule.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Nefario on April 27, 2012, 12:41:29 AM I have been working on something to get the weekly high, low, and weighted average for these securities. What I have planned is not complete yet but I was able to pull the last 3200 trades off of the GLBSE twitter feed. I am sharing the data in a csv file (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?czj0fzdgrmb28j2). Depending on the future API, I plan to work on this so I can have better tools to analyze GLBSE listed securities. With this data I can modify it to produce an Open, High, Low, Close, and Adjusted format. It will also be able to see the volume for each of the securities instead of the total volume since birth. That's all being done with the update, have you not visited dev.glbse.com? It's got sparklines :p Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 27, 2012, 02:21:13 AM I have been working on something to get the weekly high, low, and weighted average for these securities. What I have planned is not complete yet but I was able to pull the last 3200 trades off of the GLBSE twitter feed. I am sharing the data in a csv file (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?czj0fzdgrmb28j2). Depending on the future API, I plan to work on this so I can have better tools to analyze GLBSE listed securities. With this data I can modify it to produce an Open, High, Low, Close, and Adjusted format. It will also be able to see the volume for each of the securities instead of the total volume since birth. That's all being done with the update, have you not visited dev.glbse.com? It's got sparklines :p Yea the dev site looks promising, but you should also have it possible to download all the trades of a particular security either through the API or with a click of the website. Right now I only see 24 hour high/low/average and by producing all the trades users could build their own particular time formats until it is available. When will the dev site be turned functional? Also, when will the forced bond buyback issue be in the update? Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 27, 2012, 04:27:45 AM I have been working on something to get the weekly high, low, and weighted average for these securities. What I have planned is not complete yet but I was able to pull the last 3200 trades off of the GLBSE twitter feed. I am sharing the data in a csv file (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?czj0fzdgrmb28j2). Depending on the future API, I plan to work on this so I can have better tools to analyze GLBSE listed securities. With this data I can modify it to produce an Open, High, Low, Close, and Adjusted format. It will also be able to see the volume for each of the securities instead of the total volume since birth. Using my data grabber I will be able to do things like this for BITBOND (time is in UTC): Code: .Open .High .Low .Close .Volume .Adjusted And with the data manipulated I can make: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9394/rplot001.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/rplot001.png/) so expect the weighted weekly average on the update tomorrow. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on April 27, 2012, 11:05:21 AM That is excellent!
YABMC dividend was paid Code: 2012-04-27 06:11 43.2912 5000 0.00865824 Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: friedcat on April 27, 2012, 11:11:06 AM Very nice. This would dramatically flatten the effect of price fluctuations and large spreads.
Thank you very much for your great work. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 28, 2012, 01:48:33 AM YABMC first dividend will be paid by 1100 UTC 27 April - just FYI - since we are not on a weekly schedule. I am going to add YABMC to the monthly return table that I will publish on the first of this month. It will contain returns for the month of April only. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on April 28, 2012, 02:33:21 AM YABMC first dividend will be paid by 1100 UTC 27 April - just FYI - since we are not on a weekly schedule. I am going to add YABMC to the monthly return table that I will publish on the first of this month. It will contain returns for the month of April only. Cheers stochastic! Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: PsychoticBoy on April 30, 2012, 07:51:12 PM I noticed ABM is not listed.
ABM has made payments: 2012-04-22 11:41 0.00109987 a share. 2012-04-26 06:24 0.0024 a share. Thanks ;) Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Sukrim on April 30, 2012, 10:04:45 PM Yeah... payments to all 3 of them! ::)
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on April 30, 2012, 10:32:29 PM I noticed ABM is not listed. ABM has made payments: 2012-04-22 11:41 0.00109987 a share. 2012-04-26 06:24 0.0024 a share. Thanks ;) Why do you only pay dividends to 3 shares? Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 01, 2012, 01:24:58 AM I posted a link in the OP that will download a csv file with all the historical trades on GLBSE starting at April 2, 2012. I could not get anything earlier as the twitter API will only pull the last 3200 tweets and GLBSE has not released any other historical data. I think having historical trade data is one of the most important things to have and if GLBSE can't publish it now then I will leave mine here.
Another link to the data (http://bit.ly/IUruxQ). I set it up to update at the top of every hour. So every hour for now on (unless downtime) this will be updated with all data from April 6, 2012 to the current time. The data has 4 columns. Time, Security, Volume, and Price. The time is in unixtime. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: PsychoticBoy on May 01, 2012, 04:07:14 AM At that moment i had only sold 3 shares.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 01, 2012, 04:28:12 AM At that moment i had only sold 3 shares. I will put it up once a significant number of bitcoins are released for each dividend. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 05, 2012, 01:14:37 AM Monthly returns for April has been updated.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: organofcorti on May 05, 2012, 01:44:11 AM Thanks for doing the monthly as well. It was quite different to what I thought it would be.
There's a little typo - you have PureMining with incorrect low and hi in the monthly, although the weighted mean looks ok. If you're manually cut and pasting or typing, have you thought of using textplot in the gplots R package to print the table as a png or jpeg? It'll save you time, and make errors less likely. Great work, stochastic. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 05, 2012, 01:52:13 AM Thanks for doing the monthly as well. It was quite different to what I thought it would be. There's a little typo - you have PureMining with incorrect low and hi in the monthly, although the weighted mean looks ok. If you're manually cut and pasting or typing, have you thought of using textplot in the gplots R package to print the table as a png or jpeg? It'll save you time, and make errors less likely. Great work, stochastic. Thanks for spotting the typo, it is fixed. I have been working on making this more streamlined. I will give texplot a go next time. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 05, 2012, 08:27:25 AM Thanks to whoever sent me that tip. I just finished the automated dividend calculator and realized I had half a bitcoin sitting in my wallet.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Sukrim on May 05, 2012, 01:19:16 PM What is this "verified" column about?
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on May 05, 2012, 02:18:34 PM What is this "verified" column about? Was trying to figure that out myself this morning - curious for the answer... Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: m_yaw on May 05, 2012, 02:25:33 PM GLBSE verifies the identity of the asset holder. There are 6 steps, e.g. telephone, home adress, facebook profile, e-mail adresse, photo id.
0/6 means that nothing about the asset holder has been verified. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on May 05, 2012, 02:29:31 PM Wasn't even thinking about that being GLBSE verification ::)
Agreed - I am listed for 4/6 on GLBSE for YABMC... Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: GoWest on May 05, 2012, 02:36:02 PM Any chance you can add ZipConf (ZIP.A) to your list? IPO was this week. Each bond is paid a dividend = 1/50,000 of fees collected by the service.
Details here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zhBdJqp8z4bg6MKcC7yanzuiQtWJmsGQNQ7yVdDAuLU/edit#heading=h.73z1kmby9mt5). Thanks. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: DeaDTerra on May 05, 2012, 02:41:37 PM Any chance you can add ZipConf (ZIP.A) to your list? IPO was this week. Each bond is paid a dividend = 1/50,000 of fees collected by the service. If you need any more information I am here :DDetails here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zhBdJqp8z4bg6MKcC7yanzuiQtWJmsGQNQ7yVdDAuLU/edit#heading=h.73z1kmby9mt5). Thanks. //DeaDTerra Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: matthewh3 on May 05, 2012, 10:00:18 PM Monthly returns for April has been updated. Can you please add RSM to your weekly list? We paid our first weekly dividend of 0.00209389BTC per share was paid last Thursday (2012/05/04). 3.42560434BTC over 1636 shares. We will now be paying a dividend every week which should rise with the delivery of board #2 and again once we have sold enough shares for board #3 to a minimum of 0.0040BTC a week per share. Thanks. http://www.coinconnect.org/groups/profile/13713/red-star-mining (http://www.coinconnect.org/groups/profile/13713/red-star-mining) http://redstarmining.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://redstarmining.blogspot.co.uk/) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.0) Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 06, 2012, 07:35:42 AM GLBSE verifies the identity of the asset holder. There are 6 steps, e.g. telephone, home adress, facebook profile, e-mail adresse, photo id. 0/6 means that nothing about the asset holder has been verified. Correct. Thought I would add this column for now and see how it goes. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 06, 2012, 07:36:57 AM Any chance you can add ZipConf (ZIP.A) to your list? IPO was this week. Each bond is paid a dividend = 1/50,000 of fees collected by the service. Details here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zhBdJqp8z4bg6MKcC7yanzuiQtWJmsGQNQ7yVdDAuLU/edit#heading=h.73z1kmby9mt5). Thanks. You are probably on my downloadable table. It was getting difficult to do by hand so I made someting to do it automated. Now that I have it, anyone that pays a dividend should be detailed. Next week will have this new table sets. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 06, 2012, 07:38:15 AM Monthly returns for April has been updated. Can you please add RSM to your weekly list? We paid our first weekly dividend of 0.00209389BTC per share was paid last Thursday (2012/05/04). 3.42560434BTC over 1636 shares. We will now be paying a dividend every week which should rise with the delivery of board #2 and again once we have sold enough shares for board #3 to a minimum of 0.0040BTC a week per share. Thanks. http://www.coinconnect.org/groups/profile/13713/red-star-mining (http://www.coinconnect.org/groups/profile/13713/red-star-mining) http://redstarmining.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://redstarmining.blogspot.co.uk/) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.0) Sure, just like I said for ZIP, it will be on the next thing. If you click on the downloadable link on the OP, RSM should be there. Next week it should be up on the OP table too. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 06, 2012, 08:42:23 PM Meni just informed me that the downloadable table in the OP is not correct for his asset PUREMINING. Doing some research, it looks like GLBSE only returns the last 10 dividend payments. This won't affect many of the assets except those that pay more than 10 dividend payments in a specific time period. It looks like those assets are PUREMINING and MATH. I thought I could just pull the data from GLBSE but instead now I need to just make my own databases.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Sukrim on May 06, 2012, 09:22:46 PM Oh damn...
This messes up my own dividend data too! Thanks for bringing that up, hopefully soon(tm) there'll be a "history" function available at GLBSE other than that twitter feed! Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 07, 2012, 10:22:04 AM Oh damn... This messes up my own dividend data too! Thanks for bringing that up, hopefully soon(tm) there'll be a "history" function available at GLBSE other than that twitter feed! It was pretty simple to add. PUREMINING was the only asset that was missing. I put a downloadable csv in case anyone wanted that. Eventually I wil get this in my own database but for now I am too busy. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Kluge on May 07, 2012, 10:30:06 PM Care to add BDK? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77343
BDK.BND is going live in a couple days. Flat 1%/week, value shouldn't deviate much at all from .1BTC/share. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: matthewh3 on May 10, 2012, 03:42:32 PM Monthly returns for April has been updated. Can you please add RSM to your weekly list? We paid our first weekly dividend of 0.00209389BTC per share was paid last Thursday (2012/05/04). 3.42560434BTC over 1636 shares. We will now be paying a dividend every week which should rise with the delivery of board #2 and again once we have sold enough shares for board #3 to a minimum of 0.0040BTC a week per share. Thanks. http://www.coinconnect.org/groups/profile/13713/red-star-mining (http://www.coinconnect.org/groups/profile/13713/red-star-mining) http://redstarmining.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://redstarmining.blogspot.co.uk/) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.0) The second weekly dividend of 0.00209716BTC per share has been paid 3.46452188BTC over 1652 shares. The weekly dividend per share will increase once we have received board #2 and rise to over 0.0044BTC per week per share once we have sold enough shares for board #3. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on May 10, 2012, 04:47:24 PM YABMC 2nd div paid
Code: 2012-04-27 06:11 43.2912 5000 0.00865824 Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Kluge on May 12, 2012, 06:13:29 AM BDK dividend is doubled in the table for some reason. I paid 0.002134BTC/share, not .004268.
Though... I wouldn't complain much if it were left that way on the table. ;D Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 12, 2012, 06:38:07 AM BDK dividend is doubled in the table for some reason. I paid 0.002134BTC/share, not .004268. Though... I wouldn't complain much if it were left that way on the table. ;D Thanks for spotting that bug. For some reason it was pulling BDK and BMMO twice. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: conspirosphere.tk on May 16, 2012, 03:42:18 PM This thread should be sticky IMHO
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Kluge on May 16, 2012, 03:52:40 PM Oh -- BDK.BND paid its 1st div fwiw
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 17, 2012, 02:52:35 AM It is in the right forum. Quote Securities This section is for topics about individual Bitcoin bonds, stocks, etc. Topics about exchange sites which deal in securities should go in the top-level Marketplace section. Hmm... Looks like I read it wrong and I thought it was just in the market forum. Sorry for the alarm. Thx I don't understand how information about dividends of multiple Bitcoin bonds and stocks is not the same as topics about individual Bitcoin bonds, stocks, etc. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 19, 2012, 11:10:35 AM Bad news. I was trying to update this today and I was not getting the full list. I went back and checked my dividend data and it was stopping at:
Code: 2012-05-13 17:19:05 2000 1800000 TEEK.B I did notice that us.glbse.com was not resolving so I switched the url to only glbse.com but I still was not getting any more dividend returns. Then I checked TYGRR-BANK as I know they return dividends this week and all I got was a NULL return. It seems GLBSE removed the dividend returns from their API. So until something that returns dividends is added back then this will be put on hold. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: organofcorti on May 19, 2012, 11:13:44 AM Hopefully it's just some sort of update bug. I think this thread is the most valuable in this subforum.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 19, 2012, 11:16:06 AM Hopefully it's just some sort of update bug. I think this thread is the most valuable in this subforum. I don't think it is a bug, on the GLBSE API info page (https://glbse.com/info/api) there is no list of dividends anymore. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: organofcorti on May 19, 2012, 11:28:14 AM You're right. Still might be oversight though. I'll pm Nefario.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 19, 2012, 02:09:51 PM You're right. Still might be oversight though. I'll pm Nefario. Maybe the dividends will be returned in another way. The last API only released the last 10 dividends so a way to return all the history would work better in the long run for people. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 20, 2012, 12:03:39 AM Good news, got the new dividend API to work for me. I will update in a few hours. I need to parse the data a little differently than before.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: publio on May 20, 2012, 12:55:35 AM Good news, got the new dividend API to work for me. I will update in a few hours. I need to parse the data a little differently than before. I see no mention of dividends on the api info page. Care to share? Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: PolymorphicAssasin on May 20, 2012, 01:08:47 AM Since there is no other way to do this... {AFIK} Subscribe.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 20, 2012, 05:32:43 AM Good news, got the new dividend API to work for me. I will update in a few hours. I need to parse the data a little differently than before. I see no mention of dividends on the api info page. Care to share? I sent GLBSE asking about the dividend information for their API and I was told they were working on it then. Since it is not on the page I am reluctant to announce it for GLBSE as I don't have any affiliation with the service. I did ask them if I could share that information. Until I get a reply back from them I do have a link in the OP to download a csv file of all the dividends sent out since GLBSE 2.0 was initiated. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 20, 2012, 05:57:22 AM Dividend returns for 2012-05-12 to 2012-05-18 has been calculated. Link to last week's dividend returns has been put in the history.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 20, 2012, 08:50:30 PM Good news, got the new dividend API to work for me. I will update in a few hours. I need to parse the data a little differently than before. I see no mention of dividends on the api info page. Care to share? I was told it was cool: to get dividends call: /api/dividends/asset/ticker_symbol for actively traded assets go to: /api/market/assets Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Sukrim on May 20, 2012, 10:47:19 PM Great, now all I need is a little spare time to whip together a nice chart...
*sigh* Where's my spare time?! :'( Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 21, 2012, 05:20:47 AM Great, now all I need is a little spare time to whip together a nice chart... *sigh* Where's my spare time?! :'( I know, I wanted to do this myself but I don't have the time either yet. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Scott J on May 22, 2012, 03:12:59 PM Thanks for putting this together :)
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on May 26, 2012, 02:53:07 AM Dividends paid between 2012-05-19 to 2012-05-25 has been updated.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on May 26, 2012, 03:29:02 AM Thanks stochastic - nice to see YABMC on top!
Note - we will now be paying 2x weekly so we will be in the chart every week! Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: PolymorphicAssasin on May 27, 2012, 12:20:57 AM Only thing missing from the chart is consistency - ie; historical averages or concurrent # of Dividends paid (on time). Most pay weekly so you could do consecutive weeks paid, or some pay 2-3x a week, others monthly. 'twould be nice if everyone paid weekly on a standardized fashion, but this is BTC afterall.
Maybe just an Issue Date for the security and then Consecutive Dividends paid on time (+/- x factor for human issues)? Would be really easy to take a look at that chart and see which securities you want to go investigate further. :) Thanks for doing BTW. Great stuff. Too bad GLBSE wasn't integrated into Google Finance, LOL. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on June 01, 2012, 12:20:58 AM May 2012 dividend returns has been posted. April data has been moved to the history. See OP for details.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: cryptoanarchist on June 03, 2012, 03:38:19 PM Subbed....This is my new favorite thread
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on June 03, 2012, 03:50:38 PM Subbed....This is my new favorite thread If you like this thread check out daily gainer/loser thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84991.msg937912#msg937912). Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on June 09, 2012, 04:26:36 AM Week of 2012-06-02 to 2012-06-08 dividend chart has been updated.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: PawShaker on June 09, 2012, 04:00:26 PM Do you have archive of "Week of 2012-06-02 to 2012-06-08"? Could you make it available?
And THANKS for all hardwork! Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on June 09, 2012, 04:09:45 PM Do you have archive of "Week of 2012-06-02 to 2012-06-08"? Could you make it available? And THANKS for all hardwork! If you are looking for last weeks here it is (https://www.dropbox.com/s/w0j2sp50od66ziy/weeklytable.csv). It is also located on the OP under the week table. If you are looking for the week prior it is now linked in the History section. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: wirmola on June 13, 2012, 09:18:03 PM very nice service.. :)
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: RandomQ on June 19, 2012, 05:03:00 AM Thank you for providing this service.
;D Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: wirmola on June 19, 2012, 10:30:00 AM yeah.. this service is killer.... lots of good stuff coming from you Stochastic..
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on June 25, 2012, 08:55:28 AM I was sick all weekend so I didn't get a chance to update this. I will do once GLBSE comes back up. There was some issues with the security USD that I manage so the site seems to be shut down until the problem is fixed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89783.0). There was an issue over a week ago that I notified nefario about were it seemed like the API keys were getting crossed. That problem got fixed so hopefully this new issue will get resolved soon and make GLBSE more secure.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on June 25, 2012, 01:00:09 PM OK this week has been updated. I have been working on a more automated way as well so hopefully I will have that done soon.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Bitcoin Oz on June 26, 2012, 12:30:01 AM Is there any chance of getting a table of the market capitalisation of glbse stocks ?
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on June 26, 2012, 01:48:39 AM Is there any chance of getting a table of the market capitalisation of glbse stocks ? Yes, something like that is coming. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: nimda on June 26, 2012, 02:25:00 AM Geez, look at Tygrr-Bond-A and generally M.ETF. Did the difficulty halve?
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: GeoRW on June 26, 2012, 08:37:35 AM Geez, look at Tygrr-Bond-A and generally M.ETF. Did the difficulty halve? Tygrr-Bond-A pays dividends at a difficulty change, which is once in 2 weeks. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on June 30, 2012, 01:49:35 PM Dividend table has been updated.
I left them all in. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on June 30, 2012, 02:38:28 PM Dividend table has been updated. I removed assets that have a volume of less than 100 shares a week. Can you please make it a BTC amount and not a share amount. If stock ABC trades 99 shares at 50 BTC each and is not included and stock XZW who trades 100 shares at .0000001 BTC each is it will be odd. BTW thanks for the great work:) Well I could put them all back on, but I have never liked information overload. Especially when a lot of shares may have a high dividend but are not very liquid. I would trade a lower yield for a more liquid security as there is more guarantee to get out when the money is needed. For example, here is a table of the securities that have at least 100 share volume a week and a weighted average of over 0.10 BTC. Code: Symbol Outstanding Volume Weighted_Average High Low Dividend Dividend_Yield Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on June 30, 2012, 03:30:54 PM I am not saying put them back on. I think you have the right idea, but the wrong way of doing it. Your info is awesome but what you are trying to do is take out the meaningless light weights. My example was a bit unreaslistic but I was trying to make a point. If you can take out all stocks that have less than 10BTC traded that week not included it would in my opion be better than stocks with less than 100 shares. I hope I am expressing my idea correctly. Yea I see the point, but the only problem I feel is that securities that don't have a lot of trading are not effective either. If there is a share that is 0.10 BTC and sells 100 shares a week, it will more more liquid than one that sells for 1 BTC a week but only sells 10 shares. If everything else was equal I would prefer to purchasing 10 of the 0.10 BTC shares rather than 1 of the 1 BTC share. I guess it is personal preference where is that cutoff point. This is why large exchanges have a minimum trade amount that the listed company must maintain to stay on the exchange. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 02, 2012, 03:23:21 AM Oops, I have been playing around with this table for a little bit so the number of tickers changed from what it should be. I was in a rush because I had to go out to see to do some biological specimen collecting and forgot to change it back.
I was experimenting with taking off certain kinds of assets like Pirate bonds, ect. There are a lot of assets on here that I don't think should be because they are not liquid enough. What kind of filters would people like to see with this, if any? I was thinking of a minimum 7-day average, a certain market capitalization, and minium number of volume traded per week. Does anyone have any suggestions? Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 02, 2012, 04:21:39 AM I personally see nothing wrong with the pirate bonds on the list as they are some of the biggest and most liquid. Clearly the people want pirate bonds so why not report what they pay out? I do understand about taking away some of the assets but taking away 30% of the value of GLBSE and 60% of the weekly trade volume seems counter productive. I would assume as soon as you take this off there would be a different guy making a new list with it on it. If you wanted to break it up into different type of bonds and have more than one list that would be cool. Mining here, pirate there, physical goods and what not and so on. Just my thoughts :) That makes sense. I will just leave all of them up here. I have been working on a small site to display this information and will have different sections for bonds, companies, ect. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Bitcoin Oz on July 02, 2012, 05:11:41 AM I personally see nothing wrong with the pirate bonds on the list as they are some of the biggest and most liquid. Clearly the people want pirate bonds so why not report what they pay out? I do understand about taking away some of the assets but taking away 30% of the value of GLBSE and 60% of the weekly trade volume seems counter productive. I would assume as soon as you take this off there would be a different guy making a new list with it on it. If you wanted to break it up into different type of bonds and have more than one list that would be cool. Mining here, pirate there, physical goods and what not and so on. Just my thoughts :) That makes sense. I will just leave all of them up here. I have been working on a small site to display this information and will have different sections for bonds, companies, ect. Cant wait. And thanks for this thread stochastic. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: ianspain on July 02, 2012, 02:51:22 PM great thread
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Energizer on July 14, 2012, 08:56:01 PM Wonderful thread, Very informative. But the analysis is not 100% accurate. For example BTCMC pays dividends monthly but you've calculated BTCMC as if it pays weekly dividends. You have the same issue with multiple other shares/bonds, especially the ones paying dividends monthly or daily. Would you please fix such issue in the next update? You have to go through each single share/bond and analyze it individually as there is no generic rule can be applied on the collected data.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on July 14, 2012, 08:59:13 PM Stochastic - will you continue to update?
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 14, 2012, 09:19:43 PM Wonderful thread, Very informative. But the analysis is not 100% accurate. For example BTCMC pays dividends monthly but you've calculated BTCMC as if it pays weekly dividends. You have the same issue with multiple other shares/bonds, especially the ones paying dividends monthly or daily. Would you please fix such issue in the next update? You have to go through each single share/bond and analyze it individually as there is no generic rule can be applied on the collected data. Those securities that don't pay dividends within that weekly period won't be reported in the chart. Investors will have to do their own due diligence in determining what timeframe dividends will be paid out. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 14, 2012, 11:18:56 PM Stochastic - will you continue to update? I plan to, but I have a bot that will check the dividends paid. Since the recent slowdown of GLBSE the bot has not been working properly. I will have to see what is wrong before I can update again. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: JWU42 on July 14, 2012, 11:35:33 PM Thanks - and yes, GLBSE is SOOO SLOWWWW right now...
GLBSE 3.0 cannot get here soon enough! Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: exahash on July 15, 2012, 01:22:08 AM It looks like the first four rows are missing (or the left hand column numbers are off) and there is no column header row. Just fyi.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: Ocean6 on July 15, 2012, 05:14:28 PM Thanks for this list
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: MoneyIsDebt on July 15, 2012, 05:55:51 PM Leaving anything off the list will definitely not help liquidity for the asset in question...
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 15, 2012, 06:33:18 PM Leaving anything off the list will definitely not help liquidity for the asset in question... I am not interested in helping the liquidity of assets. They can do their own marketing. I am more interested in finding the highest liquid assets that gives the highest return. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: EskimoBob on July 15, 2012, 06:56:30 PM Where did that 168.01 % come from? :)
Code: 2 GREEN 2 1 0.3601 0.3601 0.3601 0.605 168.01 % Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 16, 2012, 03:42:35 AM Where did that 168.01 % come from? :) Code: 2 GREEN 2 1 0.3601 0.3601 0.3601 0.605 168.01 % I am not sure which table that was from. I have updated this weeks dividend table. I rewrote a lot of this to keep calls to GLBSE to a minimum. The only think that calls GLBSE now is a web scraper to look for new security listings and to see the current dividend paid. All that stuff is saved into my database and most of this table is extracted from the tables. This table only shows securities that had at least 1 trade and 1 dividend during the last week. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 21, 2012, 06:09:12 PM Dividend chart for the week of 07/14/2012 to 07/20/2012 has been updated.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: silverbox on July 23, 2012, 01:56:27 AM Dividend chart for the week of 07/14/2012 to 07/20/2012 has been updated. Woot! thx for the updated list ;) Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 28, 2012, 06:17:37 AM I will need to look at the code again that collects the dividends. The new API limits to 10 requests per minute. With over 100 actively traded assets I need to add something to slow the requests down. I should be done with it after I wake up tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: RandomQ on July 28, 2012, 06:28:53 AM Where did that 168.01 % come from? :) Code: 2 GREEN 2 1 0.3601 0.3601 0.3601 0.605 168.01 % I am not sure which table that was from. I have updated this weeks dividend table. I rewrote a lot of this to keep calls to GLBSE to a minimum. The only think that calls GLBSE now is a web scraper to look for new security listings and to see the current dividend paid. All that stuff is saved into my database and most of this table is extracted from the tables. This table only shows securities that had at least 1 trade and 1 dividend during the last week. I may be able to offer insight into this... I sold a share @ .3601 and then that dividend that week was .605 so the 168% is valid for that week It was kinda a promo where I offered to first share to the highest bidder. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 28, 2012, 07:30:33 PM Dividend table has been updated. The values look correct, even the insanely high +300% for the first listed security.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 31, 2012, 02:10:12 AM I had a bit of extra time over the weekend so I set up a site on a friend's server and put up the Dividend Return Table on the server.
Just point your browser to http://www.stochastically.com I still have a lot to do to make it more usable like creating clickable links for the asset names but I feel it will be useful and see the server load I should expect in the future. The table is updated at about 20:00 EST. All the columns are sortable, just click the column title. http://stochastically.com/img/sto.png Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: sebnow on July 31, 2012, 09:20:17 AM Dividend table has been updated. The values look correct, even the insanely high +300% for the first listed security. That's because MOM.GLBSE.COMPOSITE halted trading and has been discontinued (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88510.msg1056858#msg1056858), so the yield is mathematically correct, even though there won't be any future dividends.Thanks for putting up the site, it'll be very handy. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: strello on July 31, 2012, 09:28:10 AM Just wanted to say thank you for the website. It's a great addition to your already fantastic work.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on July 31, 2012, 03:09:26 PM Just point your browser to http://www.stochastically.com Wow.... that's really nice... I couldn't find a donation address. Where can we send a couple of bitcoins if we want to donate to support this project? Thanks for reminding me, donation address is 15kSprJzSimzRsKC8s4Lh1qjjV1h7vWz9o Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on August 01, 2012, 11:31:42 PM Since the Stochastically.com site (http://www.stochastically.com) is up and running without any bugs so far, I will not be continuing to update the weekly dividend chart every week. Please see http://www.stochastically.com for any information.
I have set up the site to show monthly dividend information as well. I will keep adding more functions to the site in my free time. To keep up to date on the site project please see the Project Development subforum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97311.0 or http://www.stochastically.com If you have any bug reports or feature requests please post in the project development forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97311.0). Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: PsychoticBoy on August 07, 2012, 03:41:19 PM Hi stochastic,
I seems ABM is missing in the chart, could you fix this? Greetz Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on August 07, 2012, 03:57:43 PM Hi stochastic, I seems ABM is missing in the chart, could you fix this? Greetz Stochastically.com dividend tables are only updated if there was a dividend payment and at least one active trade of the asset in the time period that the chart looks at. It does not look like there were any trades of ABM since July 16th. This is why it is in the 30 day table but not the 7 day table. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: EskimoBob on August 07, 2012, 06:00:23 PM Any chance, you can add weekly price change using the "last trade" for calculations.
Those averages are available in GLBSE, so why duplicate it :) Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on August 07, 2012, 07:41:25 PM Any chance, you can add weekly price change using the "last trade" for calculations. Those averages are available in GLBSE, so why duplicate it :) I am actually working on having each active asset having its own page, similar to Google Finance. It will contain the price range, %div return, and other metrics. It will also contain the contract info, management info, and hopefully an area that will allow users to vote(predict) the solvency of an asset. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: EskimoBob on August 08, 2012, 06:10:31 AM Any chance, you can add weekly price change using the "last trade" for calculations. Those averages are available in GLBSE, so why duplicate it :) I am actually working on having each active asset having its own page, similar to Google Finance. It will contain the price range, %div return, and other metrics. It will also contain the contract info, management info, and hopefully an area that will allow users to vote(predict) the solvency of an asset. One more idea, if you do not mind: please add small tick marks to price chart, to indicate the moment of dividend payment. For so called "bonds", the "current yield" (running yield) is a really interesting metric. (warning: can be misleading) CY= next coupon payment/ current price Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on August 08, 2012, 06:14:54 AM Any chance, you can add weekly price change using the "last trade" for calculations. Those averages are available in GLBSE, so why duplicate it :) I am actually working on having each active asset having its own page, similar to Google Finance. It will contain the price range, %div return, and other metrics. It will also contain the contract info, management info, and hopefully an area that will allow users to vote(predict) the solvency of an asset. One more idea, if you do not mind: please add small tick marks to price chart, to indicate the moment of dividend payment. For so called "bonds", the "current yield" (running yield) is a really interesting metric. (warning: can be misleading) CY= next coupon payment/ current price Those perpetual bonds need a decay rate. Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: on9isrock on August 08, 2012, 07:40:12 AM does dividen paid weekly?
how to buy the "goods"? Title: Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly Post by: stochastic on August 08, 2012, 07:45:02 AM does dividen paid weekly? how to buy the "goods"? https://glbse.com Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated daily Post by: stochastic on August 14, 2012, 05:57:45 AM I updated the dividend tables so now they are scrollable and the table headings are still visible.
Edit: I forgot to mention, it is also capable of searching through the charts for a specific security. Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated daily Post by: Bitcoin Oz on August 14, 2012, 06:02:33 AM Need to change the site title that shows in the browser to "Stochastically.com" as the current one is "Stochatically.com"
:) Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated daily Post by: stochastic on August 14, 2012, 06:22:05 AM Need to change the site title that shows in the browser to "Stochastically.com" as the current one is "Stochatically.com" :) Thanks, got that fixed. Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated daily Post by: stochastic on August 14, 2012, 07:33:59 AM it says TYGRR.BOND-P paid out 20% odd.... Thanks for pointing that out. There was a double record in the database. Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated daily Post by: conspirosphere.tk on August 14, 2012, 09:12:47 PM Several others weekly yields seem now doubled or screwed up...
Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated daily Post by: stochastic on August 14, 2012, 09:17:09 PM Several others weekly yields seem now doubled or screwed up... which ones? There don't seem to be any duplicate copies in the last week. You might have observed an asset paying 2 payments within the last 7 days. Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated daily Post by: stochastic on August 14, 2012, 09:35:58 PM WEEKLY Div Yield (%): FOO.PPPPT: 13.65 BIB.PIRATE: 13.33 30Day Div Yield (%): FOO.PPPPT: 33.72 BIB.PIRATE: 32.86 FOO.PPPPT is because it paid 2 dividends in the last 7 day period: Time 2012-08-07 11:12 443.17 6331 0.07 2012-08-13 18:10 443.17 6331 0.07 BIB.PIRATE is the same reason Time 2012-08-07 11:01 1072.98 15896 0.0675 2012-08-13 18:09 1073.3175 15901 0.0675 Tomorrow the extra dividend payment will drop off. Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated daily Post by: Ocean6 on September 22, 2012, 12:57:23 PM Thanks for your service with stochastically.com
I just made a donation Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated daily Post by: stochastic on September 22, 2012, 04:45:42 PM Thanks for your service with stochastically.com I just made a donation Thank you. I really appreciate the donation. Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated 12 times a day. Post by: kastylok on January 22, 2019, 11:20:39 AM The site shows this message: "The domain name stochastically.com is for sale!". Is it closed? So far I'm using https://cryptodividend.io (https://cryptodividend.io) which is updated daily and shows real crypto dividend ROI.
Title: Re: [GLBSE] [Stochastically.com] - Dividend Returns - updated 12 times a day. Post by: OgNasty on January 23, 2019, 12:09:00 AM The site shows this message: "The domain name stochastically.com is for sale!". Is it closed? So far I'm using https://cryptodividend.io (https://cryptodividend.io) which is updated daily and shows real crypto dividend ROI. Nobody has posted in this thread in over 6 years, so I'd say "closed" is one way of putting it. Interesting site you linked. I'm curious how an entity gets a negative yield, and also how to get new listings on there. ;) |
