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Title: I believe all life is evil. Post by: PeanutCoins on August 27, 2014, 01:26:34 PM All life is evil, because all life is selfish. Our greatest evils are sex and apathy.
Sex is evil, because it creates life, and all life is evil. Apathy is evil, because ignoring the plight of your fellow man is evil. Taking life is not evil, but the way in which you take it is. Taking life in apathy is evil. Sometimes taking life is necessary to avoid apathy, like euthanasia. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Lauda on August 27, 2014, 01:33:32 PM Actually I'm going to deny you twice here.
How to make sex 'not-evil': You go and do this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasectomy Then you can have as much sex as you want. Apathy is not evil. Premise 1: I'm apathetic. (I do not feel the need for emotions and such crap, logic is the way to go) Premise 2: Lauda is not evil. Conclusion: Apathetic people are not evil. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: PeanutCoins on August 27, 2014, 01:43:02 PM I like the yin-yang symbol concept. Good & Evil working in tandem, not against each other. I believe all humans are inherently selfish, a vice. And the attempt to rid us of evil is stupid .Goodness comes from cooperation amongst evil. 2 wrongs make a right.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: PeanutCoins on August 27, 2014, 01:45:59 PM Actually I'm going to deny you twice here. The thing is that God made us to make love only to procreate,so sex is a sin ,so is evil,so if you do vasectomy your evil.How to make sex 'not-evil': You go and do this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasectomy Then you can have as much sex as you want. Apathy is not evil. Premise 1: I'm apathetic. (I do not feel the need for emotions and such crap, logic is the way to go) Premise 2: Lauda is not evil. Conclusion: Apathetic people are not evil. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: zolace on August 27, 2014, 01:48:25 PM I like the yin-yang symbol concept. Good & Evil working in tandem, not against each other. I believe all humans are inherently selfish, a vice. And the attempt to rid us of evil is stupid .Goodness comes from cooperation amongst evil. 2 wrongs make a right. I always thought of yin yang symbolizing the non-dual (which can include good and evil but not limit itself to it.) I'm not saying you're wrong but your explanation is partial.Then you deny a lot of developmental psych evidence. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: zolace on August 27, 2014, 01:56:14 PM Quote And the attempt to rid us of evil is stupid. I agree, evil should be embraced at a subjective level. This helps combat identify with your shadow material.Quote Goodness comes from cooperation amongst evil. What does this mean? or did you mean to say "cooperation [with] evil."Quote 2 wrongs make a right. Explain. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 27, 2014, 01:58:57 PM All life is evil, because all life is selfish. Our greatest evils are sex and apathy. 1. Admit evilSex is evil, because it creates life, and all life is evil. Apathy is evil, because ignoring the plight of your fellow man is evil. Taking life is not evil, but the way in which you take it is. Taking life in apathy is evil. Sometimes taking life is necessary to avoid apathy, like euthanasia. 2. /self It's two wrongs...make a right. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: PeanutCoins on August 27, 2014, 02:01:17 PM All life is evil, because all life is selfish. Our greatest evils are sex and apathy. 1. Admit evilSex is evil, because it creates life, and all life is evil. Apathy is evil, because ignoring the plight of your fellow man is evil. Taking life is not evil, but the way in which you take it is. Taking life in apathy is evil. Sometimes taking life is necessary to avoid apathy, like euthanasia. 2. /self It's two wrongs...make a right. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Omikifuse on August 27, 2014, 02:08:09 PM Hi dank.
What happened with your main account? Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: PeanutCoins on August 27, 2014, 02:14:38 PM I like the yin-yang symbol concept. Good & Evil working in tandem, not against each other. I believe all humans are inherently selfish, a vice. And the attempt to rid us of evil is stupid .Goodness comes from cooperation amongst evil. 2 wrongs make a right. I always thought of yin yang symbolizing the non-dual (which can include good and evil but not limit itself to it.) I'm not saying you're wrong but your explanation is partial.Then you deny a lot of developmental psych evidence. I believe people are selfish in 1 of 4 ways. They care about their way of life, their possessions, their reputation, or their emotions. The last two is what we consider unselfish. Not sure what you mean by shadow material. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Ringumbau on August 27, 2014, 02:18:11 PM Rich BTC guys don't give us free coins in giveaways, another demonstration people is apathetic and evil and selfish. It's all over.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: BADecker on August 27, 2014, 02:23:39 PM All life is evil, because all life is selfish. Our greatest evils are sex and apathy. Sex is evil, because it creates life, and all life is evil. Apathy is evil, because ignoring the plight of your fellow man is evil. Taking life is not evil, but the way in which you take it is. Taking life in apathy is evil. Sometimes taking life is necessary to avoid apathy, like euthanasia. Not many people realize and understand things like this. You are soooo GOOD! :) Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: sana8410 on August 27, 2014, 02:26:09 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._Price
Quote Other work in evolutionary theory Dude killed himself after trying to prove his theory, and you cannot do TRULY selfless things for people when there is no payback for you. Price developed a new interpretation of Fisher's fundamental theorem of natural selection, the Price equation, which has now been accepted as the best interpretation of a formerly enigmatic result.[7] He wrote what is still widely held to be the best mathematical, biological and evolutionary representation of altruism. He also pioneered the application of game theory to evolutionary biology, in a co-authored 1973 paper with John Maynard Smith.[11] Furthermore Price reasoned that in the same way as an organism may sacrifice itself and further its genes (altruism) an organism may sacrifice itself to eliminate others of the same species if it enabled closely related organisms to better propagate their related genes. This negative altruism was described in a paper published by W. D. Hamilton and is termed Hamiltonian spite. Price’s 'mathematical' theory of altruism reasons that organisms are more likely to show altruism toward each other as they become more genetically similar to each other. As such, in a species that requires two parents to reproduce, an organism is most likely to show altruistic behavior to a biological parent, full sibling, or direct offspring. The reason for this is that each of these relatives’ genetic make up contains (on average in the case of siblings) 50% of the genes that are found in the original organism. So if the original organism dies as a result of an altruistic act it can still manage to propagate its full genetic heritage as long as two or more of these close relatives are saved. Consequently an organism is less likely to show altruistic behavior to a biological grandparent, grandchild, aunt/uncle, niece/nephew or half-sibling (each contain one-fourth of the genes found in the original organism); and even less likely to show altruism to a first cousin (contains one-eighth of the genes found in the original organism). The theory then holds that the further genetically removed two organisms are from each other the less likely they are to show altruism to each other. If true then altruistic (kind) behavior is not truly selfless and is instead an adaptation that organisms have in order to promote their own genetic heritage. Helping the homeless As part of an attempt to prove his theory right or wrong Price began showing an ever increasing amount (in both quality and quantity) of random kindness to complete strangers. As such Price dedicated the latter part of his life to helping the homeless, often inviting homeless people to live in his house. Sometimes, when the people in his house became a distraction, he slept in his office at the Galton Laboratory. He also gave up everything to help alcoholics, yet as he helped them they stole his belongings causing him to fall into depression.[citation needed] He was eventually thrown out of his rented house due to a construction project in the area, which made him unhappy because he could no longer provide housing for the homeless. He moved to various squats in the North London area, and became depressed over Christmas, 1974. Death Unable to prove his theory right or wrong Price committed suicide on January 6, 1975, using a pair of nail scissors to cut his own carotid artery. His body was identified by his close colleague W.D. Hamilton.[12] Friends said he committed suicide because of despondency over his inability to continue helping the homeless. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: PeanutCoins on August 27, 2014, 02:29:14 PM Quote And the attempt to rid us of evil is stupid. I agree, evil should be embraced at a subjective level. This helps combat identify with your shadow material.Quote Goodness comes from cooperation amongst evil. What does this mean? or did you mean to say "cooperation [with] evil."Quote 2 wrongs make a right. Explain. Capitalism works better than communism, because capitalism accounts for the evil selfish nature of humans. Communism expects all people to be good non-evil people, even the people who run the government, which is not the case. Of course, I'm not saying pure capitalism/communism works. Fuck what I said about two wrongs make a right. I meant 2 evil ppl cooperate to achieve a common goal. Cooperation is the 'right'. If all the people in the world (selfish evil ppl) would work together, the world would be a better(right) place. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 27, 2014, 02:29:42 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._Price Before we start talking about this I have to ask something. Do you consider "that good feeling you get from helping" is payback?Quote Other work in evolutionary theory Dude killed himself after trying to prove his theory, and you cannot do TRULY selfless things for people when there is no payback for you. Price developed a new interpretation of Fisher's fundamental theorem of natural selection, the Price equation, which has now been accepted as the best interpretation of a formerly enigmatic result.[7] He wrote what is still widely held to be the best mathematical, biological and evolutionary representation of altruism. He also pioneered the application of game theory to evolutionary biology, in a co-authored 1973 paper with John Maynard Smith.[11] Furthermore Price reasoned that in the same way as an organism may sacrifice itself and further its genes (altruism) an organism may sacrifice itself to eliminate others of the same species if it enabled closely related organisms to better propagate their related genes. This negative altruism was described in a paper published by W. D. Hamilton and is termed Hamiltonian spite. Price’s 'mathematical' theory of altruism reasons that organisms are more likely to show altruism toward each other as they become more genetically similar to each other. As such, in a species that requires two parents to reproduce, an organism is most likely to show altruistic behavior to a biological parent, full sibling, or direct offspring. The reason for this is that each of these relatives’ genetic make up contains (on average in the case of siblings) 50% of the genes that are found in the original organism. So if the original organism dies as a result of an altruistic act it can still manage to propagate its full genetic heritage as long as two or more of these close relatives are saved. Consequently an organism is less likely to show altruistic behavior to a biological grandparent, grandchild, aunt/uncle, niece/nephew or half-sibling (each contain one-fourth of the genes found in the original organism); and even less likely to show altruism to a first cousin (contains one-eighth of the genes found in the original organism). The theory then holds that the further genetically removed two organisms are from each other the less likely they are to show altruism to each other. If true then altruistic (kind) behavior is not truly selfless and is instead an adaptation that organisms have in order to promote their own genetic heritage. Helping the homeless As part of an attempt to prove his theory right or wrong Price began showing an ever increasing amount (in both quality and quantity) of random kindness to complete strangers. As such Price dedicated the latter part of his life to helping the homeless, often inviting homeless people to live in his house. Sometimes, when the people in his house became a distraction, he slept in his office at the Galton Laboratory. He also gave up everything to help alcoholics, yet as he helped them they stole his belongings causing him to fall into depression.[citation needed] He was eventually thrown out of his rented house due to a construction project in the area, which made him unhappy because he could no longer provide housing for the homeless. He moved to various squats in the North London area, and became depressed over Christmas, 1974. Death Unable to prove his theory right or wrong Price committed suicide on January 6, 1975, using a pair of nail scissors to cut his own carotid artery. His body was identified by his close colleague W.D. Hamilton.[12] Friends said he committed suicide because of despondency over his inability to continue helping the homeless. So I'm driving on the highway. I see an old couple with a flat tire and I pull over. Turns out the old guy isn't strong enough to get the lugs off so, so I change the tire. I didn't do it for money or recognition or because it was a friend...I did it just because it was the right thing to do. Was that not altruistic because as I left I felt good for having done it? Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: sana8410 on August 27, 2014, 02:32:00 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._Price Before we start talking about this I have to ask something. Do you consider "that good feeling you get from helping" is payback?Quote Other work in evolutionary theory Dude killed himself after trying to prove his theory, and you cannot do TRULY selfless things for people when there is no payback for you. Price developed a new interpretation of Fisher's fundamental theorem of natural selection, the Price equation, which has now been accepted as the best interpretation of a formerly enigmatic result.[7] He wrote what is still widely held to be the best mathematical, biological and evolutionary representation of altruism. He also pioneered the application of game theory to evolutionary biology, in a co-authored 1973 paper with John Maynard Smith.[11] Furthermore Price reasoned that in the same way as an organism may sacrifice itself and further its genes (altruism) an organism may sacrifice itself to eliminate others of the same species if it enabled closely related organisms to better propagate their related genes. This negative altruism was described in a paper published by W. D. Hamilton and is termed Hamiltonian spite. Price’s 'mathematical' theory of altruism reasons that organisms are more likely to show altruism toward each other as they become more genetically similar to each other. As such, in a species that requires two parents to reproduce, an organism is most likely to show altruistic behavior to a biological parent, full sibling, or direct offspring. The reason for this is that each of these relatives’ genetic make up contains (on average in the case of siblings) 50% of the genes that are found in the original organism. So if the original organism dies as a result of an altruistic act it can still manage to propagate its full genetic heritage as long as two or more of these close relatives are saved. Consequently an organism is less likely to show altruistic behavior to a biological grandparent, grandchild, aunt/uncle, niece/nephew or half-sibling (each contain one-fourth of the genes found in the original organism); and even less likely to show altruism to a first cousin (contains one-eighth of the genes found in the original organism). The theory then holds that the further genetically removed two organisms are from each other the less likely they are to show altruism to each other. If true then altruistic (kind) behavior is not truly selfless and is instead an adaptation that organisms have in order to promote their own genetic heritage. Helping the homeless As part of an attempt to prove his theory right or wrong Price began showing an ever increasing amount (in both quality and quantity) of random kindness to complete strangers. As such Price dedicated the latter part of his life to helping the homeless, often inviting homeless people to live in his house. Sometimes, when the people in his house became a distraction, he slept in his office at the Galton Laboratory. He also gave up everything to help alcoholics, yet as he helped them they stole his belongings causing him to fall into depression.[citation needed] He was eventually thrown out of his rented house due to a construction project in the area, which made him unhappy because he could no longer provide housing for the homeless. He moved to various squats in the North London area, and became depressed over Christmas, 1974. Death Unable to prove his theory right or wrong Price committed suicide on January 6, 1975, using a pair of nail scissors to cut his own carotid artery. His body was identified by his close colleague W.D. Hamilton.[12] Friends said he committed suicide because of despondency over his inability to continue helping the homeless. So I'm driving on the highway. I see an old couple with a flat tire and I pull over. Turns out the old guy isn't strong enough to get the lugs off so, so I change the tire. I didn't do it for money or recognition or because it was a friend...I did it just because it was the right thing to do. Was that not altruistic because as I left I felt good for having done it? Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: sana8410 on August 27, 2014, 02:34:57 PM In the model which he mistakenly calls a law, that "good feeling" is considered looking after yourself. The supposition is that you will help those who you perceive as most like you. By helping someone else, you are helping yourself. It's very Kantian in the circular dependencies.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 27, 2014, 02:38:07 PM In the model which he mistakenly calls a law, that "good feeling" is considered looking after yourself. The supposition is that you will help those who you perceive as most like you. By helping someone else, you are helping yourself. It's very Kantian in the circular dependencies. To add onto that... That is a good explanation for how evolution has reinforced social animals like us to act altruistically at times. It isn't really a good argument that we aren't acting altruistically.Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Brewins on August 27, 2014, 02:38:46 PM Rich BTC guys don't give us free coins in giveaways, another demonstration people is apathetic and evil and selfish. It's all over. BiPolarBob and CoinPrincess(88 sign campaign) are close to giving away free coins, with their great deals. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Lauda on August 27, 2014, 02:45:09 PM Before we start talking about this I have to ask something. Do you consider "that good feeling you get from helping" is payback? What if I don't get this feeling at all?So I'm driving on the highway. I see an old couple with a flat tire and I pull over. Turns out the old guy isn't strong enough to get the lugs off so, so I change the tire. I didn't do it for money or recognition or because it was a friend...I did it just because it was the right thing to do. Was that not altruistic because as I left I felt good for having done it? Where is my payback then. I sometimes look at the situation and decide whenever to help the individual or not. I help more often strangers, since I don't really need payback and can't judge if they deserve it or not. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 27, 2014, 02:48:11 PM And, as an aside, not always but often times we do act in the self interest of others without the expectation of even good feelings as a reward. Because, you know, we aren't 100% rational robots programmed to always act in our own self best interests. For example, the guy who got gunned down in some bus shooting while acting as a human shield for someone else (some other random rider, not a family member) during the shooting.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 27, 2014, 02:55:27 PM Before we start talking about this I have to ask something. Do you consider "that good feeling you get from helping" is payback? What if I don't get this feeling at all?So I'm driving on the highway. I see an old couple with a flat tire and I pull over. Turns out the old guy isn't strong enough to get the lugs off so, so I change the tire. I didn't do it for money or recognition or because it was a friend...I did it just because it was the right thing to do. Was that not altruistic because as I left I felt good for having done it? Where is my payback then. I sometimes look at the situation and decide whenever to help the individual or not. I help more often strangers, since I don't really need payback and can't judge if they deserve it or not. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Lauda on August 27, 2014, 02:57:43 PM The whole "You can't act altruistically because no matter what act you take it is selfish in some way as evidence by the fact that if it wasn't you wouldn't have taken that action!!!"!"!"! argument is just lazy. This was a bit hard to understand what you mean, since I wasn't going in that direction.I was in no way suggesting that people can't act unselfishly. I was stating my view point. Where did you come up with that from my post? Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: BADecker on August 27, 2014, 02:57:59 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._Price Before we start talking about this I have to ask something. Do you consider "that good feeling you get from helping" is payback?Quote Other work in evolutionary theory Dude killed himself after trying to prove his theory, and you cannot do TRULY selfless things for people when there is no payback for you. Price developed a new interpretation of Fisher's fundamental theorem of natural selection, the Price equation, which has now been accepted as the best interpretation of a formerly enigmatic result.[7] He wrote what is still widely held to be the best mathematical, biological and evolutionary representation of altruism. He also pioneered the application of game theory to evolutionary biology, in a co-authored 1973 paper with John Maynard Smith.[11] Furthermore Price reasoned that in the same way as an organism may sacrifice itself and further its genes (altruism) an organism may sacrifice itself to eliminate others of the same species if it enabled closely related organisms to better propagate their related genes. This negative altruism was described in a paper published by W. D. Hamilton and is termed Hamiltonian spite. Price’s 'mathematical' theory of altruism reasons that organisms are more likely to show altruism toward each other as they become more genetically similar to each other. As such, in a species that requires two parents to reproduce, an organism is most likely to show altruistic behavior to a biological parent, full sibling, or direct offspring. The reason for this is that each of these relatives’ genetic make up contains (on average in the case of siblings) 50% of the genes that are found in the original organism. So if the original organism dies as a result of an altruistic act it can still manage to propagate its full genetic heritage as long as two or more of these close relatives are saved. Consequently an organism is less likely to show altruistic behavior to a biological grandparent, grandchild, aunt/uncle, niece/nephew or half-sibling (each contain one-fourth of the genes found in the original organism); and even less likely to show altruism to a first cousin (contains one-eighth of the genes found in the original organism). The theory then holds that the further genetically removed two organisms are from each other the less likely they are to show altruism to each other. If true then altruistic (kind) behavior is not truly selfless and is instead an adaptation that organisms have in order to promote their own genetic heritage. Helping the homeless As part of an attempt to prove his theory right or wrong Price began showing an ever increasing amount (in both quality and quantity) of random kindness to complete strangers. As such Price dedicated the latter part of his life to helping the homeless, often inviting homeless people to live in his house. Sometimes, when the people in his house became a distraction, he slept in his office at the Galton Laboratory. He also gave up everything to help alcoholics, yet as he helped them they stole his belongings causing him to fall into depression.[citation needed] He was eventually thrown out of his rented house due to a construction project in the area, which made him unhappy because he could no longer provide housing for the homeless. He moved to various squats in the North London area, and became depressed over Christmas, 1974. Death Unable to prove his theory right or wrong Price committed suicide on January 6, 1975, using a pair of nail scissors to cut his own carotid artery. His body was identified by his close colleague W.D. Hamilton.[12] Friends said he committed suicide because of despondency over his inability to continue helping the homeless. So I'm driving on the highway. I see an old couple with a flat tire and I pull over. Turns out the old guy isn't strong enough to get the lugs off so, so I change the tire. I didn't do it for money or recognition or because it was a friend...I did it just because it was the right thing to do. Was that not altruistic because as I left I felt good for having done it? Sounds like Ayn Rand's philosophy of selfishness. :) Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: BADecker on August 27, 2014, 03:01:43 PM Before we start talking about this I have to ask something. Do you consider "that good feeling you get from helping" is payback? What if I don't get this feeling at all?So I'm driving on the highway. I see an old couple with a flat tire and I pull over. Turns out the old guy isn't strong enough to get the lugs off so, so I change the tire. I didn't do it for money or recognition or because it was a friend...I did it just because it was the right thing to do. Was that not altruistic because as I left I felt good for having done it? Where is my payback then. I sometimes look at the situation and decide whenever to help the individual or not. I help more often strangers, since I don't really need payback and can't judge if they deserve it or not. If you don't get this feeling, it's because you are a grumpy person. Your payback is a grumpy feeling, that matches who you are. :) Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: zolace on August 27, 2014, 03:05:28 PM But plants are evil though? What about simple organisms? Single cell organisms? Are viruses evil?
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: PeanutCoins on August 27, 2014, 03:10:14 PM But plants are evil though? What about simple organisms? Single cell organisms? Are viruses evil? Yes, yes, yes, and yes. They all suck up resources for themselves, and they do it by any means necessary.I'm trying to paint a picture of us being evil. When we fight evil, we fight...um, ourselves. As long as life exists, there will always be evil. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: BADecker on August 27, 2014, 03:10:33 PM But plants are evil though? What about simple organisms? Single cell organisms? Are viruses evil? That's what I say. Greenpeace doesn't want you to kill some spotted owl or chop down some giant sequoia, but they ALL go to get their shots, thereby killing off trillions of bacteria and viruses. :) Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 27, 2014, 03:15:28 PM But plants are evil though? What about simple organisms? Single cell organisms? Are viruses evil? A quick google search turned uphttp://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/v/virus.htm Quote The study of viruses is known as virology, and those who study viruses are known as virologists. It has been argued extensively whether viruses are living organisms. http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife...viruslive.htmlMost virologists consider them non-living, as they do not meet all the criteria of the generally accepted definition of life. They are similar to obligate intracellular parasites as they lack the means for self-reproduction outside a host cell, but unlike parasites, viruses are generally not considered to be true living organisms. A primary reason is that viruses do not possess a cell membrane or metabolise on their own - characteristics of all living organisms. Quote Viruses straddle the definition of life. They lie somewhere between supra molecular complexes and very simple biological entities. Viruses contain some of the structures and exhibit some of the activities that are common to organic life, but they are missing many of the others. In general, viruses are entirely composed of a single strand of genetic information encased within a protein capsule. Viruses lack most of the internal structure and machinery which characterize 'life', including the biosynthetic machinery that is necessary for reproduction. In order for a virus to replicate it must infect a suitable host cell Perhaps see alsohttp://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ses-alive-2004 http://news.discovery.com/human/heal...ems-130227.htm Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: zolace on August 27, 2014, 03:19:59 PM But plants are evil though? What about simple organisms? Single cell organisms? Are viruses evil? A quick google search turned uphttp://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/v/virus.htm Quote The study of viruses is known as virology, and those who study viruses are known as virologists. It has been argued extensively whether viruses are living organisms. http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife...viruslive.htmlMost virologists consider them non-living, as they do not meet all the criteria of the generally accepted definition of life. They are similar to obligate intracellular parasites as they lack the means for self-reproduction outside a host cell, but unlike parasites, viruses are generally not considered to be true living organisms. A primary reason is that viruses do not possess a cell membrane or metabolise on their own - characteristics of all living organisms. Quote Viruses straddle the definition of life. They lie somewhere between supra molecular complexes and very simple biological entities. Viruses contain some of the structures and exhibit some of the activities that are common to organic life, but they are missing many of the others. In general, viruses are entirely composed of a single strand of genetic information encased within a protein capsule. Viruses lack most of the internal structure and machinery which characterize 'life', including the biosynthetic machinery that is necessary for reproduction. In order for a virus to replicate it must infect a suitable host cell Perhaps see alsohttp://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ses-alive-2004 http://news.discovery.com/human/heal...ems-130227.htm As it is the Christmas season and many kisses will be snatched under the obligatory mistletoe hung over a doorway, does it also qualify? I have never seen mistletoe survive on its own, absent a parasitic host. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: sana8410 on August 27, 2014, 03:23:44 PM You are free to believe all life is evil. I am free to believe the opposite. What is more important? Your belief or mine? Neither. What is more important is the freedom for both of us to express our divergent viewpoints...
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 27, 2014, 03:26:12 PM But plants are evil though? What about simple organisms? Single cell organisms? Are viruses evil? A quick google search turned uphttp://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/v/virus.htm Quote The study of viruses is known as virology, and those who study viruses are known as virologists. It has been argued extensively whether viruses are living organisms. http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife...viruslive.htmlMost virologists consider them non-living, as they do not meet all the criteria of the generally accepted definition of life. They are similar to obligate intracellular parasites as they lack the means for self-reproduction outside a host cell, but unlike parasites, viruses are generally not considered to be true living organisms. A primary reason is that viruses do not possess a cell membrane or metabolise on their own - characteristics of all living organisms. Quote Viruses straddle the definition of life. They lie somewhere between supra molecular complexes and very simple biological entities. Viruses contain some of the structures and exhibit some of the activities that are common to organic life, but they are missing many of the others. In general, viruses are entirely composed of a single strand of genetic information encased within a protein capsule. Viruses lack most of the internal structure and machinery which characterize 'life', including the biosynthetic machinery that is necessary for reproduction. In order for a virus to replicate it must infect a suitable host cell Perhaps see alsohttp://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ses-alive-2004 http://news.discovery.com/human/heal...ems-130227.htm As it is the Christmas season and many kisses will be snatched under the obligatory mistletoe hung over a doorway, does it also qualify? I have never seen mistletoe survive on its own, absent a parasitic host. Reminds me of Marine Corps Boot Camp. How they would mentally drain you in order to strip away your individuality. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: zolace on August 27, 2014, 03:26:48 PM You are free to believe all life is evil. I am free to believe the opposite. What is more important? Your belief or mine? Neither. What is more important is the freedom for both of us to express our divergent viewpoints... is god the inventor of the evil, or is it lucifer that was the one that done it ?on average is evil about ... dark greenish, 20 fahrenheit, hydrogen sulphide smell, and misty ?i thought i saw one once ? Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 27, 2014, 03:32:28 PM You are free to believe all life is evil. I am free to believe the opposite. What is more important? Your belief or mine? Neither. What is more important is the freedom for both of us to express our divergent viewpoints... is god the inventor of the evil, or is it lucifer that was the one that done it ?on average is evil about ... dark greenish, 20 fahrenheit, hydrogen sulphide smell, and misty ?i thought i saw one once ? Um, Religion is good in that it unites people. But evil in that people think religion revolves around the individual. As far as God is concerned (I'm an atheist), he created us with 'original sin'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_man I've been thinking about this concept for the last few days. I truly believe we are all evil selfish individuals, and the only good that can come from us, is cooperation. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Lauda on August 27, 2014, 03:32:41 PM If you don't get this feeling, it's because you are a grumpy person. Your payback is a grumpy feeling, that matches who you are. What do you exactly mean with grumpy feeling?:) grumpy adjective surly or ill-tempered; discontentedly or sullenly irritable; grouchy. I surely for one don't see myself as such a person. Maybe I'm just lacking that feeling or think that it's useless so I prefer its absence? Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: yayayo on August 27, 2014, 03:34:54 PM An abstract concept such as "life" cannot be morally evaluated by entities that constructed the very same concept in the first place. A valid moral evaluation requires the judging entity and the to-be-judged entity being on the same layer of existence.
Of course you can believe what you like... :D ya.ya.yo! Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: zolace on August 27, 2014, 03:36:59 PM You got a pretty fucked up prospective if you think acting in your own interests is evil.
It may have evil consequences, it may be benign, or it may actually also be in the other party's best interest as well. A blanket statement "if you act in your own best interest and then you're evil" is just stupid. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 27, 2014, 03:46:18 PM You got a pretty fucked up prospective if you think acting in your own interests is evil. I'm not stating 'if'. Perhaps I'm changing definitions. I'm saying that being evil is just natural. Not you can/will be evil, you ARE evil. This is your natural state. When you leave the mothers womb, you cry because it is in your interest to cry, not for anyone else. And you maintain this individuality. You just ARE evil. Try not to read too much into the baby reference, it's just an example.It may have evil consequences, it may be benign, or it may actually also be in the other party's best interest as well. A blanket statement "if you act in your own best interest and then you're evil" is just stupid. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: BitsBitsBits on August 27, 2014, 03:48:43 PM Quote And the attempt to rid us of evil is stupid. I agree, evil should be embraced at a subjective level. This helps combat identify with your shadow material.And what is that supposed to mean? :D Quote Goodness comes from cooperation amongst evil. What does this mean? or did you mean to say "cooperation [with] evil."Quote 2 wrongs make a right. Explain. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Daniel91 on August 27, 2014, 05:04:39 PM First you will have to give definition what is life and what is evil.
This are not absolute but relative categories, and each person have different understanding about it, based on his/her culture background, life, education etc. Some people believe than only God can give us absolute definition about right and wrong, purpose of life and life etc. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: zolace on August 27, 2014, 05:41:45 PM Quote And the attempt to rid us of evil is stupid. I agree, evil should be embraced at a subjective level. This helps combat identify with your shadow material.And what is that supposed to mean? :D Quote Goodness comes from cooperation amongst evil. What does this mean? or did you mean to say "cooperation [with] evil."Quote 2 wrongs make a right. Explain. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: wassupman on August 28, 2014, 09:42:02 AM Some people are evil, some are indifferent, and some are awesome.You believing everyone is evil says more about you flaws and defects than anything.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 28, 2014, 09:53:48 AM Quote And the attempt to rid us of evil is stupid. I agree, evil should be embraced at a subjective level. This helps combat identify with your shadow material.And what is that supposed to mean? :D Quote Goodness comes from cooperation amongst evil. What does this mean? or did you mean to say "cooperation [with] evil."Quote 2 wrongs make a right. Explain. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: umair127 on August 28, 2014, 09:55:10 AM People are selfish in one of 4 ways:
Way of life: Culture, 2nd amendment rights Possessions: House, Wife, dog Reputation: Generally considered unselfish Emotions: Also generally considered unselfish Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Talukdar001 on August 28, 2014, 02:06:19 PM I don't agree with you. All the mens are not selfish. I think you need to change your mind and also need to spend time with good people.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: herzmeister on August 28, 2014, 02:59:27 PM there evidently exist emotions like empathy and compassion as well, although you might argue those are ultimately also selfish
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: tsm on August 28, 2014, 04:41:33 PM all life is evil!?
no wonder why we have so many wars :D Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Sheldor333 on August 28, 2014, 05:14:00 PM Don't agree with you, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Mr.Bitty on September 02, 2014, 12:50:58 PM Is god the inventor of the evil, or is it lucifer that was the one that done it ?On average is evil about ... dark greenish, 20 fahrenheit, hydrogen sulphide smell, and misty ?I thought i saw one once ?
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Decksperiment on September 02, 2014, 01:56:50 PM Good, since only good can come of evil.. ;)
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: catazabala on September 02, 2014, 02:26:11 PM not at all, but at nutshell the humans are the only race that are destroying this world, creating diseases, virus, wars, hunger, and the saddest part is that we don't care to change this situation.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Rigon on September 02, 2014, 02:32:43 PM Is god the inventor of the evil, or is it lucifer that was the one that done it ?On average is evil about ... dark greenish, 20 fahrenheit, hydrogen sulphide smell, and misty ?I thought i saw one once ? I actually posted about this once. Um, Religion is good in that it unites people. But evil in that people think religion revolves around the individual.As far as God is concerned (I'm an atheist), he created us with 'original sin'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_man I've been thinking about this concept for the last few days. I truly believe we are all evil selfish individuals, and the only good that can come from us, is cooperation. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Decksperiment on September 02, 2014, 02:35:33 PM not at all, but at nutshell the humans are the only race that are destroying this world, creating diseases, virus, wars, hunger, and the saddest part is that we don't care to change this situation. Dya think I'd be writing masonic secrets online here if I did'nt care? Change the situation? As an aquarian, I can tell you the change is afoot.. sadley we have to thank those psykos in the middle east for wakin up the govs to their demise, even worse is the fact they kill folks who are nowt to do with any this crap by blowin emselves up instead of the actual aggressors and their rulers.. who dont give a shit about you or me.. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Bitcoin Magazine on September 02, 2014, 03:54:30 PM Is god the inventor of the evil, or is it lucifer that was the one that done it ?On average is evil about ... dark greenish, 20 fahrenheit, hydrogen sulphide smell, and misty ?I thought i saw one once ? I actually posted about this once. Um, Religion is good in that it unites people. But evil in that people think religion revolves around the individual.As far as God is concerned (I'm an atheist), he created us with 'original sin'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_man I've been thinking about this concept for the last few days. I truly believe we are all evil selfish individuals, and the only good that can come from us, is cooperation. orginal sin was indeed a sin. by committing it, we introduced dick chopping into the world Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: (oYo) on September 02, 2014, 11:29:41 PM It is not quite as simple as Shakespeare said, "To be, or not to be." I think of it more like, "To kill, or not to kill", since one simply cannot "be" without killing something for sustenance. So, for the most part, I tend to agree with OP, especially when killing is done needlessly or for the pure pleasure of it.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: dank on September 02, 2014, 11:42:49 PM It is us that make things evil. Everything is just energy.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: darkota on September 02, 2014, 11:43:35 PM Humans are not inherently selfish. There was a study done where humans who came across homeless people were asked to give there first thoughts.
There first thoughts were to give money to the homeless man. But as they thought about the situation more, they thought that maybe the homeless man wasn't homeless at all, that they had better things to spend the money on etc. So that would mean humans become selfish because of a multitude of things, and are not inherently selfish. Stop trying to justify human life as being evil when it's exactly the contrary. I see that some of you(LaudaM) are denying emotions etc. You're just being irrational and irresponsible to yourselves. Unless you have aspergers or another condition that makes you incapable of having empathy for another human being, please do not deny yourself the beauty of emotions(love), bonds(sex), etc. It's at least very irrational and means you probably have a god complex or you're absorbed in some fantasy world, well whatever the reason, it's not healthy Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Winner on September 03, 2014, 12:29:10 AM I'm pretty sure we all start off as evil but we must learn to outgrow our evil ways.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: darkota on September 03, 2014, 12:32:35 AM I'm pretty sure we all start off as evil but we must learn to outgrow our evil ways. No, humans are inherently good, and through other factors(environmental, even biological/dealing with the brain and some people have a distinct lack of empathy), turn them "evil". Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Decksperiment on September 03, 2014, 02:08:41 PM So here I sit, with thousands of evil thought's.. oh boy how I wish I could get god to blow up the planet, just to save the rest of the species from the misery inflicted by EVERY human being on it. When we wash our dishes or clothes, we put filth and chemicals back into the food chain. When we chop tree's, we plant useless ones in their place.. 99% of gardens would win the garden show, yet the owners are hungry, cause the prize money from the prize rose ran out in a week.. did they think of growing food? 2 many things to mention..
Yet I go out into that world, and all I hear is can I help with this or that from folks who know full well I will.. I say again.. only evil can come from good, and only good can come from evil.. A child killer commits evil and kills your child. The good thing is the kickin's he gets when he gets life, and he's off the street.. notice how parents of child victims financial status goes through the roof? Of course you did'nt.. you only see the evil commited, since thats all you were focused on. A fight breaks out in the street, a lass gets knocked to the ground, guy straddles her and starts punching into her face.. You try to intervene, and off course, the energy is now focused on you so the lass can get up and escape the torrent of physical abuse.. You get arrested for causing the commotion and charged with breach of the peace, the lass went home with the guy that beat her face to a pulp. In attempting to BE good, you got charged with assault, cause the guy is an off duty cop. Good and Evil are like Dark and Light, the opposite ends of the same scales.. Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: meowball on December 02, 2014, 12:52:26 AM If having feelings is selfish, then all humans are selfish because all humans have feelings. I agree with that if that's what's meant in the OP. But, if everything is pretty much evil, what's really evil? If everything's evil, there is no evil. And if there's no evil, then there's no good because there's nothing to compare evil to.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Giulioz on December 02, 2014, 01:00:23 AM People are born neutral. Reproducing is not evil, if you think you are evil then you are evil. Evil is a myth word and it has many meaning.
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Atdhe on December 02, 2014, 02:22:14 AM This is a thread, where people who bought bad stuff at darkmarkets, post their deep thoughts?
Title: Re: I believe all life is evil. Post by: Daniel91 on December 02, 2014, 10:33:48 AM All life is evil, because all life is selfish. Our greatest evils are sex and apathy. Sex is evil, because it creates life, and all life is evil. Apathy is evil, because ignoring the plight of your fellow man is evil. Taking life is not evil, but the way in which you take it is. Taking life in apathy is evil. Sometimes taking life is necessary to avoid apathy, like euthanasia. So, how did you come to this conclusion that all life is evil because all life is selfish? Surely, some people are selfish, more or less, and some people are evil, more or less, but you can't generalize in this way. Many people like Mother Theresa, or jesus in the past, was completely unselfish, and gave everything to others. I worry about this statement you just wrote: Taking life is not evil because if we accept this, we justify killing. Life is God's gift and blessing, not something we own and we are not free to do with it as we wish. |