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Title: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: sana8410 on September 01, 2014, 06:07:10 PM
The fateful seconds before nine-year-old girl accidentally shot her gun instructor dead with an Uzi: Video of child losing control of submachine gun after being told to go 'full auto' released by cops.

* Charles Vacca, a father and army veteran, was assisting the little girl at a shooting range just south of Las Vegas on Monday morning

* She pulled the trigger of an automatic Uzi and the recoil sent the gun over her head, shooting Vacca

* He was airlifted to hospital but died on Monday evening

* Girl was with her parents at Bullets and Burgers shooting range on vacation from New Jersey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q8tW0btnis

Recorded at the Bullets and Burgers shooting range in White Hills, Arizona, an edited clip plays up to the point where the girl loses control of an Uzi, killing 39-year-old Charles Vacca.

The shocking recording taken by the girl's parents and released by police shows Vacca standing closely next to the girl when the gun recoiled as she fired on full automatic mode.

As the clip unfolds, Vacca is seen to instruct the girl to hold the weapon with two hands at all times and to take a perpendicular stance to the target.

Then Vacca asks her to fire one shot for him, which she does.

Then, Vacca tells the girl to adjust her stance and squeeze the trigger to let off a volley, but something goes wrong when she fires a second time.

His last words to the girl are: 'Alright, full auto.'

The girl loses her two-handed grip on the weapon and it pulls to her left, striking Vacca in the head.

Charles Vacca, a father and veteran from Lake Havasu City, Arizona, was airlifted to hospital on Monday morning after the little girl shot him but died that evening.

Mohave County Sheriff Jim McCabe said the full video of the incident was 'ghastly'.

Social media was incredulous about the tragic accident, with most people posting comments as to why a nine-year-old was allowed to fire an automatic weapon.

Liz Matthews of the John Clayton Show on 710 ESPN in Seattle said, 'A story involving a nine-year-old shooting an UZI at a place called Burgers and Bullets would have been appalling enough. Horrifying.'

Nikki Bateman simply asked, 'why you'd even let a nine year old handle a gun in the first place?!'

Cameron Atfield directed his anger at the parents stating he 'hoped the parents are charged.'

Friends paid tribute to Vacca, an army veteran and a married father, as a great friend and soldier on Facebook. Best friend Robert Vera said they often laughed so much that they couldn't breathe.

'He became a brother and a major part of my life through thick and thin,' Vera said. 'Rest In Peace brother.'

The incident occurred at the Arizona Last Stop, which is about 25 miles south of Las Vegas, the Mohave County Sheriff's Office told AZFamily. It is home to a shooting range, Bullets and Burgers.

'Our guests have the opportunity to fire a wide range of fully automatic machine guns and specialty weapons,' its website states. 'At our range, you can shoot FULL auto on our machine guns. Let 'em Rip!'

When contacted by MailOnline, staff at Bullets and Burgers would not comment on the incident and referred questions to a nearby gun emporium, but would not say whether or not they were affiliated.

Arizona gun laws require a person to be at least 18 years old to carry a firearm, but the laws do not apply on private property or if the minor is accompanied by a parent or a certified instructor.


Should young girls in wild hot and not fully developed areas of the globe like africa, america and the middle east be allowed the chance to blow the heads off blokes with uzis ?

Also, noting another incident of a dog shooting his owner last year, should animals like cats and dogs also be legislated against from handling machine guns even when chaperoned on firing ranges or in the back yards of their owners ?


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on September 01, 2014, 06:15:10 PM

Very unlucky accident i feel bad for the guy and worse for the girl tbh.  I guess it was pretty stupid to be teaching a girl this weak to fire a gun like that.  Imagine how the girl is going to feel throughout her life? would not want to be her.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: beetcoin on September 01, 2014, 06:28:26 PM
i don't know exactly where i fall on the gun issue, but this is the pitfall of the "the more guns you have, the better" logic. reality is, the more guns you have, the more gun accidents you will see.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Lethn on September 01, 2014, 06:35:29 PM
This is just pure stupidity, while guns are what caused this the reality is that instructor was a moron letting a 9 year old handle a fucking machine gun, you go to any instructor who has any sense I'd bet the least they'd do is say you'd have to be stupid to let children that young handle weaponry. The problem is this is a classic case of people, namely Americans, being so stupid and arrogant they refuse to accept that like with many problems they cause throughout the world that it's their stupid actions that cause the problem in the first place.

The issue is never the fault of an inanimate object, it's the fault of the person who was dumb enough to let people who shouldn't handle this sort of thing in the first place, you wouldn't let a child fuck around with a gas cylinder/blow torch would you? Or some kind of heavy machinery that can cut stuff.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Chef Ramsay on September 01, 2014, 06:46:09 PM
It all boils down to a person this young not having the strength to handle such a weapon, let alone an automatic one. As soon as the trigger is pulled the gun just starts spraying upwards or sideways and certainly no young girl could handle it. A .22 cal is the only gun this person should've been allowed to practice on. This is just common sense.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: wolfYella on September 01, 2014, 06:47:51 PM
This is just pure stupidity, while guns are what caused this the reality is that instructor was a moron letting a 9 year old handle a fucking machine gun, you go to any instructor who has any sense I'd bet the least they'd do is say you'd have to be stupid to let children that young handle weaponry. The problem is this is a classic case of people, namely Americans, being so stupid and arrogant they refuse to accept that like with many problems they cause throughout the world that it's their stupid actions that cause the problem in the first place.

The issue is never the fault of an inanimate object, it's the fault of the person who was dumb enough to let people who shouldn't handle this sort of thing in the first place, you wouldn't let a child fuck around with a gas cylinder/blow torch would you? Or some kind of heavy machinery that can cut stuff.
I agree. This is the instructor's fault for letting the little child handle a gun that has that much force. It very well could have been herself that got shot.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Lethn on September 01, 2014, 07:03:21 PM
Sad fact is it did actually happen to another kid, of course, guns were blamed, not the morons that let him use it and so history repeats.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: pedrog on September 01, 2014, 08:13:01 PM
Now, that's a great family vacation video, such good parenting...


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: IacceptBTC on September 01, 2014, 08:46:24 PM
Now, that's a great family vacation video, such good parenting...
I wouldn't blame the parents so much. Yes, it is not appropriate to have a 9 year old shooting a gun, however the instructor should have known just how much recoil the gun would have when compared to the average strength of someone this small. 


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: TheButterZone on September 01, 2014, 08:49:50 PM
If Charles Vacca wanted to commit suicide, he shouldn't have gotten the girl involved.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: wachtwoord on September 01, 2014, 08:50:42 PM
I liked how the family of the dead man reacted and reached out to the girl. Clearly stating they do not blame her at all.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: jbrnt on September 01, 2014, 08:56:22 PM
This is indeed a tragedy. But a nine year old girl should not be allowed to handle a gun anyway. It is sad that the girl has to grow up knowing she distroyed a family.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Spendulus on September 01, 2014, 09:27:34 PM
It all boils down to a person this young not having the strength to handle such a weapon, let alone an automatic one. As soon as the trigger is pulled the gun just starts spraying upwards or sideways and certainly no young girl could handle it. A .22 cal is the only gun this person should've been allowed to practice on. This is just common sense.
this is correct.  It's not just the full auto, but the short, pistol like Uzi which doesn't have full support like a rifle.

This is not complicated.  Would you let a 9 year old shoot a Dirty Harry 44 Magnum?  Nope.

A 45 Auto?  Not I.

A 357 Magnum?  Nope.

Any fully auto is one more step in difficulty that these three.

This would be like taking a beginning student pilot and putting him in a Citation Jet, instead of a Cessna 150.




Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: haploid23 on September 01, 2014, 09:55:37 PM
The instructor's mistake cost him his life. But I suppose it wasn't all for nothing. This will at least knock some sense to other instructors that shows such negligence. As for the little girl, this is something that will traumatize her for the rest of her life, and most definitely affect her mental well being.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Lethn on September 02, 2014, 08:26:26 AM
I liked how the family of the dead man reacted and reached out to the girl. Clearly stating they do not blame her at all.

Probably the most intelligent people there.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on September 02, 2014, 10:01:51 AM
i don't know exactly where i fall on the gun issue, but this is the pitfall of the "the more guns you have, the better" logic. reality is, the more guns you have, the more gun accidents you will see.

Living in the UK we cant have guns basically.  I would like to carry a gun as i feel im at a stage in my life where i could handle the responsibility of this.  Also get fed up with idiots who act all tough in day to day life if they are bigger or taller vs others and having guns is a great leveler since you'd never know who was carrying. 

During my late teens having a gun would have been very dangerous for me.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: zolace on September 02, 2014, 10:09:17 AM
Just watching fox news - there's a  lady commenting on how good and healthy breakfast cereals are in the US, - but too many American fatties are scoffing too much, ... she is just like pro gun nutters in the US saying how good guns are, - but too many kids are blowing heads off fellow Americans, along with thousands of other older Americans that should have common sense blowing each other away bleeding place is outta control .


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: EternalWingsofGod on September 02, 2014, 10:17:58 AM
Well that was an unfortunate incident
Then again can see a battle about gun control brewing in the background


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: zolace on September 02, 2014, 10:18:33 AM
health and safety was developed over centuries in the western world in an attempt to prevent death and injury includes things like ...


1) placing guards and shields over fast rotating shafts and gears on machinery

previously back in the 1700's / 1800's people were getting snagged on farm and factory machinery and ripped up into mince meat - prevention /reduction of carnage ... see 1)


2) asbestos is banned from extensive use and is being removed where previously installed

previously asbestos was slapped and schlathered over all sorts of pipes and walls, etc, in an attempt to fire proof buildings - prevention /reduction of cancer ... see 2)


3) vehicles fitted with seat belts, airbags, softer dash board/ steering wheels plus designed with crash zones, also drivers not allowed to drink booze

previously people drove around drunk in dangerous jalopies - prevention /reduction of carnage ... see 3)


4) cigarettes have tax hikes and smoking banned from public places, plus advisory health messages / photos printed on fag packs

previously back in the days of black and white films, doctors were promoting smoking as healthy and actors were making out it was sexy - prevention /reduction of cancer ... see 4)


5) in developed countries up to modern day amnesty international standards, death penalties were banned along with wide spread gun ownership and wholesale rootin' tooting' shootin'.

back in the days of savage living, people were strung up, shot, electrified, injected, burned to death, stoned to death, and thousands of nut cases were roaming around willy nilly with guns - prevention /reduction of carnage and lack of civilised behaviour ... see 5)


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: hopenotlate on September 02, 2014, 10:26:20 AM
I don't live in US and sincerely don't understand all that passion US citizens have for weapons but I guess I would get it much better if I were born in States.

What I really disapprove is teaching your 9 yo child to use a weapon (and above all a UZI).

There is a world full of things to learn and discover, sports to practice, interests to share with ourt kids and so on.

Why weapons ? Why


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: mufa23 on September 02, 2014, 10:29:24 AM
Yeah, sucks that machines sometimes kill people when improperly operated. Happens. Good lesson to all of us though.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: WhatTheGox on September 02, 2014, 10:30:55 AM
Yeah, sucks that machines sometimes kill people when improperly operated. Happens. Good lesson to all of us though.

very well said.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: mufa23 on September 02, 2014, 10:38:04 AM
Yeah, sucks that machines sometimes kill people when improperly operated. Happens. Good lesson to all of us though.

very well said.
Thanks


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: umair127 on September 02, 2014, 11:02:59 AM
Just watching fox news - there's a  lady commenting on how good and healthy breakfast cereals are in the US, - but too many American fatties are scoffing too much, ... she is just like pro gun nutters in the US saying how good guns are, - but too many kids are blowing heads off fellow Americans, along with thousands of other older Americans that should have common sense blowing each other away bleeding place is outta control .
I think the point of the thread was that the instructor should have had the 9 year old girl first go full auto with a .22lr American 180 to let her get a feel for full auto before he turned her loose with the 9mm Uzi. A fatal error on his part. However, the girl will have one hell of a story to tell at school when her teacher asks the students to share with the class what they did over their summer vacation.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: blablahblah on September 02, 2014, 11:20:16 AM
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As for the little girl, this is something that will traumatize her for the rest of her life, and most definitely affect her mental well being.

I think the social reaction often makes these sorts of things worse, like a kind of reverse ostracism.

Similar things can be seen with rape cases, where some women suffer mental anguish for years despite getting lots of care, while others shrug it off and are able to move on a lot better. Ironically, the victims seem to suffer more if they live in an advanced Western environment where rape is culturally less acceptable, as opposed to the victims in areas where women have less/no rights. Putting it very crudely and insensitively to deliver the message: most of the suffering seems to be as result of social conditioning/brainwashing to maintain cultural expectations, and that conditioning is strongly reinforced after the event. Of course I don't disagree with maintaining good standards, but we should also be aware of side-effects.

As Lisa Simpson would say: "I don't want your pity!"
However, the Americans will probably serendipitously shrug off yet another gun accident, and the girl will make new friends with several of her classmates, who have also shot various family members and pets.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: sana8410 on September 02, 2014, 11:51:43 AM
Incredibly stupid and negligent to let any 9 year old use a gun of any kind frankly. Even a 22 single shot. I do not care how precocious they may be.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: sana8410 on September 02, 2014, 12:11:56 PM
actually come to think of it, up until 9/11 youngsters could fly planes as young as 12 or under ? that was the case in the UK anyways

the ease of getting young hands on guns in the US though, as if the gun problem there was not bad enough !

it is like ...

"hey ma, fer ma 5th birthday i wanna let loose with a bazooka and some pump action shotguns down that Burgers and Bullets"

"no son, that place got shut down when a 3 year old drove a Sherman tank over 50 customers in the parking lot"

"but ma, ah wanna shoots me some guns good"

"no son, instead ya all can get yo ass down to Gators and Gatling Guns, its a safer gun shootin' park in Pensacola, you can dress up full metal jacket and wrestle small crocs while shootin gatlins all day, long as yer not in diapers and don't poop yer pants"


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: umair127 on September 02, 2014, 12:37:56 PM
actually come to think of it, up until 9/11 youngsters could fly planes as young as 12 or under ? that was the case in the UK anyways

the ease of getting young hands on guns in the US though, as if the gun problem there was not bad enough !

it is like ...

"hey ma, fer ma 5th birthday i wanna let loose with a bazooka and some pump action shotguns down that Burgers and Bullets"

"no son, that place got shut down when a 3 year old drove a Sherman tank over 50 customers in the parking lot"

"but ma, ah wanna shoots me some guns good"

"no son, instead ya all can get yo ass down to Gators and Gatling Guns, its a safer gun shootin' park in Pensacola, you can dress up full metal jacket and wrestle small crocs while shootin gatlins all day, long as yer not in diapers and don't poop yer pants"
I don't think 3 year old girls should be participating in beauty pageants, but they do. I don't think 5 years old should be operating motorized vehicles, but they do. We make commercial aircraft pilots retire at 65, yet place no age limitation on train, bus and truck drivers.

The outcome of this event was tragic, but just because apparently you couldn't have handled a weapon at 9 years old does not mean many others can't.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Spendulus on September 02, 2014, 01:40:37 PM
Incredibly stupid and negligent to let any 9 year old use a gun of any kind frankly. Even a 22 single shot. I do not care how precocious they may be.
Really?  A few miles from where I live in 1854 an eight and a twelve year old were walking to their school house and happened to be carrying a couple of their dad's rifles.  They were attacked by six Indians.  They killed five and wounded the sixth, then continued to school.

The calvary soldier that wrote the incident up did not report whether they were late for school.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: kerimk2 on September 02, 2014, 01:44:09 PM
It was legal for the 9 year old to hold that gun, so I don't think any charges should be pressed, but its kind of morally wrong to let a 9 year old shoot a fully automatic gun. Somethings wrong with their culture over there.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: RodeoX on September 02, 2014, 01:47:31 PM
Firearms instructor should have air quotes around it. I don't know what that guy was thinking. New shooters start with a single shot long gun, then a semi auto long gun, then a pistol, then a full auto carbine, then a sub-machine gun.
A full auto pistol is the most dangerous kind of gun and should only be used after mastering the other types of weapons.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Spendulus on September 02, 2014, 01:56:09 PM
Firearms instructor should have air quotes around it. I don't know what that guy was thinking. New shooters start with a single shot long gun, then a semi auto long gun, then a pistol, then a full auto carbine, then a sub-machine gun.
A full auto pistol is the most dangerous kind of gun and should only be used after mastering the other types of weapons.

Or it should NEVER be taught.  In fact, utility of full auto pistols is limited to a very few specialized uses.  What's going on here is that there is a sort of fascination with "The Uzi".  Oh wow, that's an Uzi?  CAN WE SHOOT AN UZI?  BLAHBLAH BLAH.

Every woman and a lot of guys have to be instructed about the "limp wrist" issue and two handed techniques before firing a pistol. 

This is all made worse by the recent emergence in the Las Vegas area of the shops that advertize "Shoot a machine gun" and which specifically target the Vegas tourists.  Often as not they are first time shooters.  So you have the very worst customer handling the most dangerous gun.  I went to one of these places because I'd always had an interest in shooting a Thompson machine gun (45 cal, 1920s vintage full auto).  Talked to the owner.  He got comfortable with me and I got comfortable with him.

Regardless, he cleared the range when I went in to shoot.

This is why "gun nuts" cause no trouble, are no danger to anyone, and need to be listened to about this stuff.



Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: RodeoX on September 02, 2014, 02:35:48 PM
Firearms ...

Or it should NEVER be taught.  In fact, utility of full auto pistols is limited to a very few specialized uses.  What's going on here is that there is a sort of fascination with "The Uzi".  Oh wow, that's an Uzi?  ...

And those uzi pistols are useless. I've shot the semi-auto version and couldn't hit a barn with it. Like a tea-cup poodle. They are kinda neat, but are not good dogs.
P.S. The Thompson is a much funner and safer full auto!



Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: TheButterZone on September 02, 2014, 08:58:30 PM
I don't live in US and sincerely don't understand all that passion US citizens have for weapons but I guess I would get it much better if I were born in States.

What I really disapprove is teaching your 9 yo child to use a weapon (and above all a UZI).

There is a world full of things to learn and discover, sports to practice, interests to share with ourt kids and so on.

Why weapons ? Why

I sincerely don't understand all that delusion non-US citizens have against self-defense, as if they all live in absolutely 100% violent crime-free utopias where there is absolutely no need for the most effective tool for self-defense, ever. As if no 9-year-old has suffered any violence whatsoever.

Why delusion? Why?


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: johncarpe64 on September 02, 2014, 11:06:58 PM
I don't live in US and sincerely don't understand all that passion US citizens have for weapons but I guess I would get it much better if I were born in States.

What I really disapprove is teaching your 9 yo child to use a weapon (and above all a UZI).

There is a world full of things to learn and discover, sports to practice, interests to share with ourt kids and so on.

Why weapons ? Why

I sincerely don't understand all that delusion non-US citizens have against self-defense, as if they all live in absolutely 100% violent crime-free utopias where there is absolutely no need for the most effective tool for self-defense, ever. As if no 9-year-old has suffered any violence whatsoever.

Why delusion? Why?
It isn't just non-US citizens, it is also liberals that are in the US that do not understand this. If there is a greater chance that the person you are attacking is going to have a gun then don't you think someone would think twice before attacking this hypothetical person? I certainly do. Just look at the cities that have the strictest gun control laws, they also have the highest violent crime rates, one likely reason is because criminals believe there is a small chance their victim will have a gun to defend themselves.

Now for the 9 year old girl, she should really never be in a situation where she needs to defend herself with a gun. She should really never be left alone (on her own) for any significant amount of time, and there should be a responsible adult (either a parent, or some kind of babysitter) with her, or at least in the same house at pretty much all times. This responsible adult would be able to defend the girl if need be.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Spendulus on September 02, 2014, 11:44:45 PM
Firearms ...

Or it should NEVER be taught.  In fact, utility of full auto pistols is limited to a very few specialized uses.  What's going on here is that there is a sort of fascination with "The Uzi".  Oh wow, that's an Uzi?  ...

And those uzi pistols are useless. I've shot the semi-auto version and couldn't hit a barn with it. Like a tea-cup poodle. They are kinda neat, but are not good dogs.
P.S. The Thompson is a much funner and safer full auto!


The only thing worse than the uzi is the Glock 18.   Extremely dangerous.  Should never have been made.  Spray and pray junk.

Yep, the Thompson was fun.    I might do it again.  But then if I go to a range, to the pistol targets, and pull out my 1847 Walker Colt replica and it goes BOOM, funniest thing.  All those guys and girls with their little modern popguns turn around and look.

LOL...


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: TECSHARE on September 03, 2014, 12:28:57 AM
This news story is apparently big in Australia, I seem to only be hearing about it from aussie friends. This leads me to believe this story is being pumped for political reasons to justify not only gun control in Australia but in the US. No a 9 year old should never had a fully automatic weapon in her hands, even if you find that acceptable, the instructor should have been behind her controlling her arms. In fact fully automatic weapons are not legal for ANYONE in most states unless you have a federal permit which requires extensive background checks. The instructor is 100% at fault here, thankfully the only person physically harmed was the person responsible. Of course this poor girl will have to live with this but at least no one else was injured.

This is totally a case of picking one extreme example out of proportion and pretending like it is a common occurrence to make law abiding gun owners look like reckless maniacs and produce fear in others so they over react and try to push equally irrational fear based laws. Why is it you never see any stories about a gun being pulled and never fired in defense of peoples lives against criminals? That is not the narrative the media wants you to hear.  In summary, one poor firearms instructor doesn't invalidate the right to defend one's self sorry.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: TheButterZone on September 03, 2014, 12:35:24 AM
Enough with this tarring all "liberals" with a pro-criminal safety brush, divide and conquer, bullshit. There are plenty of "liberals" who fully support the 2A and oppose all gun laws/infringements thereof, just as there are plenty of "conservatives" who fully oppose the 2A and support all gun laws/infringements thereof.

When modern usage of "conservative" and "liberal" has no meaningful distinction from each other or "sociopaths" "tyrants" "statists" "fascists", it's time to start using the latter, correct terms.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: shogdite on September 03, 2014, 12:36:36 AM
Why would you even let your 9 year kid use an uzi? Can understand maybe if they're in their teens but it seems crazy to me to let such a young person fire an automatic machine gun.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Spendulus on September 03, 2014, 02:50:11 AM
Enough with this tarring all "liberals" with a pro-criminal safety brush, divide and conquer, bullshit. There are plenty of "liberals" who fully support the 2A and oppose all gun laws/infringements thereof, just as there are plenty of "conservatives" who fully oppose the 2A and support all gun laws/infringements thereof.

When modern usage of "conservative" and "liberal" has no meaningful distinction from each other or "sociopaths" "tyrants" "statists" "fascists", it's time to start using the latter, correct terms.
This is sort of true.  It's just like saying "there are lots of pious liberal Catholics who are anti-abortion."

Yeah.

But when those Catholics and those liberal 2A supporters go to the ballot box, they support anti-gun hysteria and gun control and abortion when they vote Democratic. 

Let's be realistic.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: coory on September 03, 2014, 02:52:05 AM
sad fact  >:( :-[ :-[


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: TheButterZone on September 03, 2014, 02:52:47 AM
Enough with this tarring all "liberals" with a pro-criminal safety brush, divide and conquer, bullshit. There are plenty of "liberals" who fully support the 2A and oppose all gun laws/infringements thereof, just as there are plenty of "conservatives" who fully oppose the 2A and support all gun laws/infringements thereof.

When modern usage of "conservative" and "liberal" has no meaningful distinction from each other or "sociopaths" "tyrants" "statists" "fascists", it's time to start using the latter, correct terms.
This is sort of true.  It's just like saying "there are lots of pious liberal Catholics who are anti-abortion."

Yeah.

But when those Catholics and those liberal 2A supporters go to the ballot box, they support anti-gun hysteria and gun control and abortion when they vote Democratic.  

Let's be realistic.

Let's be realistic and remember that corpses' and incarcerated felons' votes are counted more than eligible voters', and that the worst possible evil regardless of party or meaningless distinction without a difference of ideology, always "wins" where it matters.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Spendulus on September 03, 2014, 02:53:29 AM
...fully automatic weapons are not legal for ANYONE in most states unless you have a federal permit which requires extensive background checks. The instructor is 100% at fault here, thankfully the only person physically harmed was the person responsible. ...
The activity of renting the full auto gun while in a controlled environment is fully legal in many states.

You refer to OWNING them.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Matze on September 03, 2014, 03:11:13 AM
This news story is apparently big in Australia, I seem to only be hearing about it from aussie friends. This leads me to believe this story is being pumped for political reasons to justify not only gun control in Australia but in the US. No a 9 year old should never had a fully automatic weapon in her hands, even if you find that acceptable, the instructor should have been behind her controlling her arms. In fact fully automatic weapons are not legal for ANYONE in most states unless you have a federal permit which requires extensive background checks. The instructor is 100% at fault here, thankfully the only person physically harmed was the person responsible. Of course this poor girl will have to live with this but at least no one else was injured.

This is totally a case of picking one extreme example out of proportion and pretending like it is a common occurrence to make law abiding gun owners look like reckless maniacs and produce fear in others so they over react and try to push equally irrational fear based laws. Why is it you never see any stories about a gun being pulled and never fired in defense of peoples lives against criminals? That is not the narrative the media wants you to hear.  In summary, one poor firearms instructor doesn't invalidate the right to defend one's self sorry.
Any gun related death that somehow involves children will always be used to promote the gun control agenda. After the sandy hook shooting President Obama used the death of 26 children to try to pass legislation that would make it harder to buy a gun. 


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: TECSHARE on September 03, 2014, 12:35:16 PM
...fully automatic weapons are not legal for ANYONE in most states unless you have a federal permit which requires extensive background checks. The instructor is 100% at fault here, thankfully the only person physically harmed was the person responsible. ...
The activity of renting the full auto gun while in a controlled environment is fully legal in many states.

You refer to OWNING them.
Of course renting them for use is legal under the supervision of a licensed owner or instructor, in a state where fully automatic weapons are legal. I never intended to insinuate otherwise.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Spendulus on September 03, 2014, 03:58:55 PM
...fully automatic weapons are not legal for ANYONE in most states unless you have a federal permit which requires extensive background checks. The instructor is 100% at fault here, thankfully the only person physically harmed was the person responsible. ...
The activity of renting the full auto gun while in a controlled environment is fully legal in many states.

You refer to OWNING them.
Of course renting them for use is legal under the supervision of a licensed owner or instructor, in a state where fully automatic weapons are legal. I never intended to insinuate otherwise.
Got it, thought the reverse....

Now all we need is the ability to rent bullets...


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: arbitrage001 on September 03, 2014, 04:48:09 PM

Very unlucky accident i feel bad for the guy and worse for the girl tbh.  I guess it was pretty stupid to be teaching a girl this weak to fire a gun like that.  Imagine how the girl is going to feel throughout her life? would not want to be her.

It is the parent at fault at putting the girl in that situation. The parents can be sued for negligent.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: TECSHARE on September 03, 2014, 05:26:59 PM

Very unlucky accident i feel bad for the guy and worse for the girl tbh.  I guess it was pretty stupid to be teaching a girl this weak to fire a gun like that.  Imagine how the girl is going to feel throughout her life? would not want to be her.

It is the parent at fault at putting the girl in that situation. The parents can be sued for negligent.
The instructor still could have said no. He is supposed to be the expert anyways.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: bigtimespaghetti on September 03, 2014, 07:58:15 PM
What a tragic event, in some ways it could have been a lot worse with her losing control like that (not that it makes the situation any better).

The gun control crowd will go mad for this.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: bigasic on September 03, 2014, 09:13:43 PM
I feel terrible for the girl, she must be going thru hell. Plus her parents, cant even imagine knowing that their daughter caused the death of someone, even if it is an accident. We have to remember it was an accident. people saying that we should have gun control are idiots. this guy has trained even younger kids. it was a tragic accident, plain and simple. something that the family of both parties will have to life with for the rest of their lives..

condolences to both.. but if I had to blame anyone, which im not. the parents of the child probably shouldn't be letting their kid play with a fucking ozie machine gun.. a 22, sure why not, but a heavy duty machine gun? I wouldn't let my 9 year old do it, thats for sure.. sad story, no 2 ways about it..


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: TECSHARE on September 03, 2014, 11:19:16 PM
I feel terrible for the girl, she must be going thru hell. Plus her parents, cant even imagine knowing that their daughter caused the death of someone, even if it is an accident. We have to remember it was an accident. people saying that we should have gun control are idiots. this guy has trained even younger kids. it was a tragic accident, plain and simple. something that the family of both parties will have to life with for the rest of their lives..

condolences to both.. but if I had to blame anyone, which im not. the parents of the child probably shouldn't be letting their kid play with a fucking ozie machine gun.. a 22, sure why not, but a heavy duty machine gun? I wouldn't let my 9 year old do it, thats for sure.. sad story, no 2 ways about it..
You don't think that the instructor holds culpability?


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: dodgecharger on September 04, 2014, 01:54:52 AM
As a professional firearms instructor it was his job to safely instruct the girl on using that weapon and to make a judgement whether it was safe for her to use it in full auto mod


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: wachtwoord on September 04, 2014, 01:58:07 AM
As a professional firearms instructor it was his job to safely instruct the girl on using that weapon and to make a judgement whether it was safe for her to use it in full auto mod

The girl was 9 ..... I guess he failed there (no matter the outcome).


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: bitsat alien on September 04, 2014, 02:06:40 AM
It's definitely a trauma but kids actually can and often do recover from trauma
and grow up to be happy well adjusted adults


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Spendulus on September 04, 2014, 02:46:21 AM

Very unlucky accident i feel bad for the guy and worse for the girl tbh.  I guess it was pretty stupid to be teaching a girl this weak to fire a gun like that.  Imagine how the girl is going to feel throughout her life? would not want to be her.

It is the parent at fault at putting the girl in that situation. The parents can be sued for negligent.
The instructor still could have said no. He is supposed to be the expert anyways.
Or anyone standing around could have walked over and tried to talk some sense into them.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: master sato on September 04, 2014, 03:41:30 AM
It's definitely a trauma but kids actually can and often do recover from trauma
and grow up to be happy well adjusted adults


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: counter on September 04, 2014, 06:51:25 AM
It all boils down to a person this young not having the strength to handle such a weapon, let alone an automatic one. As soon as the trigger is pulled the gun just starts spraying upwards or sideways and certainly no young girl could handle it. A .22 cal is the only gun this person should've been allowed to practice on. This is just common sense.

Yup and the fact that the instructor was doing a horrible job at his job.  I was nervous the whole time watching him instruct her on what to do.  I'm very upset at how bad he was at his job, there seemed to be a rush for her to shoot.  He almost forgot to fix her legs the right way, oh and maybe warn her about the recoil and maybe hold her steady.  I couldn't even watch the whole video it just makes me to mad.  I don't even want to know what kind of parents would allow something like this to happen, it's a Uzi, I mean come on!


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Lethn on September 04, 2014, 07:08:30 AM
It's definitely a trauma but kids actually can and often do recover from trauma
and grow up to be happy well adjusted adults

I actually think the instructor's family handled this well and I hope you're right but something tells me this isn't over yet because this is America we're talking about here, some insensitive cunt is going to accuse her of murder.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: bigtimespaghetti on September 04, 2014, 08:35:36 AM
it's a Uzi, I mean come on!

Exactly! I have no problem with children learning to use firearms, but a weapon this powerful? Anyway, a lot of the culpability lies with the instructor and parents, very sad.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: bigtimespaghetti on September 04, 2014, 08:36:47 AM
some insensitive cunt is going to accuse her of murder.

I'd be really surprised at this, I would have thought if there was more of a (manufactured) outrage some form of regulation may be put forward.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Lethn on September 04, 2014, 08:58:17 AM
some insensitive cunt is going to accuse her of murder.

I'd be really surprised at this, I would have thought if there was more of a (manufactured) outrage some form of regulation may be put forward.

I hope I'm wrong but this is 'Murica we're talking about, hopefully it will just blow over and they'll let the child go on with her life.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: meadefreling on September 04, 2014, 09:02:03 AM
Its a very tragic occurrence for the instructor to allow the little 9 year old to fire the gun at full auto considering her age,weight and in experience in handling the same gun even at single mode talk-less firing autoamtic. I can't just imagine the psychological and emotional trauma she will be going through at the moment and probably all her with thought of been responsible for Bloke's death be it accidental or not. I guess this will be a major lesson for parents who expose their children to deadly ventures like these in the civilized societies all in the name of vacations.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: oceans on September 04, 2014, 02:22:34 PM
This is something you never think you will see, what I don't understand is why a 9 year old was even handling a Uzi? I read a few days ago that these guns are far too heavy for a child so it really does not make sense as to why they allowed her to use it, recoil alone was enough to cause damage in which is did and with it being heavy there was no way she could have controlled it. My thoughts go out to the family of the instructor that died. It was an unfortunate accident.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Scoremaster on September 04, 2014, 02:30:33 PM
they should not have given a child an automatic gun. thats just stupid.

to be really safe, the kid should have been trained with a long stick and taught all about u not turning aroudn when holding guns, and always point it at the ground(not your foot) and all the basics. then after a few times of training the muscle memory to not turn around and shoot someone, then u can give them a semi auto gun with 1 round in it and have them practice firing one round at a time.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: RodeoX on September 04, 2014, 05:56:09 PM
Most of the people in this thread would have done a better job than her instructor. She should have been mastering a .22 rifle at her age. The problem with hand guns is that a small movement of the wrist is all it takes to shoot the guy next to you. Add to that the fact that when some people panic they squeeze the trigger harder and you are going to have accidents.
Also a lot has been made about it being an UZI. A full sized UZI would have been better, but those UZI pistols are dangerous and kinda stupid. The picture below is of an UZI pistol. Several companies now make them.

http://www.proguns.com/images/used-guns/usedguns1010-1047/1039imiuzipistol.jpg


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Spendulus on September 04, 2014, 06:24:31 PM
some insensitive cunt is going to accuse her of murder.

I'd be really surprised at this, I would have thought if there was more of a (manufactured) outrage some form of regulation may be put forward.
What the politicalization of the subject of gun control means is that whatever is put forward would be in line with the narrative and in line with the political goals, hence, it would have nothing to do with "Firearms safety at gun ranges", just like after some crazy guy kills some people, there is no proposal to "Restrict firearms from people taking psychotropic medications", and just like after the Ft. Hood Massacre there was no mention of Islamic Terrorist Strikes Ft.  Hood.

No good can come of a simple inability to improve the world by looking at cause and effect and suggesting modifications therein.  This is actually not "Progressive" thinking, but atavistic cultist and tribalized magical thinking.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Honeypot on September 05, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
Misleading title, false premise, and fool's question all rolled into one with fake, weak agenda.

Does that sum up this thread?


It was an accident with a submachine gun where the instructor in question blew through all the important safe guards regarding how to act in a firing range before blowing himself away, not the least by allowing a 9 year old girl to handle a SUB MACHINE GUN.

Sub machine gun is a completely different weapon from a 'full auto machine gun' which describes more the m-2 browning .50 caliber weapon or SAW.

If you are going to post nonsense, at least try to know what the hell you are talking about beforehand. Fine piece of discussion topic, just like that journalist who couldn't tell the difference between ear plugs and rubber bullets.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: zolace on September 10, 2014, 02:38:20 PM
Misleading title, false premise, and fool's question all rolled into one with fake, weak agenda.

Does that sum up this thread?


It was an accident with a submachine gun where the instructor in question blew through all the important safe guards regarding how to act in a firing range before blowing himself away, not the least by allowing a 9 year old girl to handle a SUB MACHINE GUN.

Sub machine gun is a completely different weapon from a 'full auto machine gun' which describes more the m-2 browning .50 caliber weapon or SAW.

If you are going to post nonsense, at least try to know what the hell you are talking about beforehand. Fine piece of discussion topic, just like that journalist who couldn't tell the difference between ear plugs and rubber bullets.
If some bloke want's to wrestle with an alligator and he gets his arm bitten off, that's stupid but he should be allowed to do it again, with his one arm left, - he has got some thinking to do, hopefully he makes the right choice.

Same with US gun ranges and kiddies with Uzi's, sure blokes are getting their heads blown off by 9 years olds, but let the gun ranges carry on if they think they can pull it off ?

If parents and gun ranges eventually develop national tournaments for 9 year olds for trick shooting Uzi's with no blood spilt, then they may prove us wrong that kids can be trained to handle full auto machine guns all the time with zero casualties year after year.

Bit like alligator wrestlers though, for every one with an arm or hand or something bitten off there's bound to be dozens of others.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Mr.Bitty on September 10, 2014, 02:48:52 PM
Misleading title, false premise, and fool's question all rolled into one with fake, weak agenda.

Does that sum up this thread?


It was an accident with a submachine gun where the instructor in question blew through all the important safe guards regarding how to act in a firing range before blowing himself away, not the least by allowing a 9 year old girl to handle a SUB MACHINE GUN.

Sub machine gun is a completely different weapon from a 'full auto machine gun' which describes more the m-2 browning .50 caliber weapon or SAW.

If you are going to post nonsense, at least try to know what the hell you are talking about beforehand. Fine piece of discussion topic, just like that journalist who couldn't tell the difference between ear plugs and rubber bullets.
If some bloke want's to wrestle with an alligator and he gets his arm bitten off, that's stupid but he should be allowed to do it again, with his one arm left, - he has got some thinking to do, hopefully he makes the right choice.

Same with US gun ranges and kiddies with Uzi's, sure blokes are getting their heads blown off by 9 years olds, but let the gun ranges carry on if they think they can pull it off ?

If parents and gun ranges eventually develop national tournaments for 9 year olds for trick shooting Uzi's with no blood spilt, then they may prove us wrong that kids can be trained to handle full auto machine guns all the time with zero casualties year after year.

Bit like alligator wrestlers though, for every one with an arm or hand or something bitten off there's bound to be dozens of others.
Same applies to Irishmen with bombs. They used to do such a great job with losing body parts. I bet you cry yourself to sleep wishing for the good old days.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: bank of bits on September 11, 2014, 05:52:06 AM
What about the parents'?
Who decided a 9 year old should ,shoot an uzi


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: zolace on September 11, 2014, 11:37:32 AM
What about the parents'?
Who decided a 9 year old should ,shoot an uzi
The parents are first to blame,what was in their head to take their daughter on shooting lessons?There are a lot of others interesting activities you can take your child too not on a shooting field.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: zolace on September 11, 2014, 11:39:32 AM
Misleading title, false premise, and fool's question all rolled into one with fake, weak agenda.

Does that sum up this thread?


It was an accident with a submachine gun where the instructor in question blew through all the important safe guards regarding how to act in a firing range before blowing himself away, not the least by allowing a 9 year old girl to handle a SUB MACHINE GUN.

Sub machine gun is a completely different weapon from a 'full auto machine gun' which describes more the m-2 browning .50 caliber weapon or SAW.

If you are going to post nonsense, at least try to know what the hell you are talking about beforehand. Fine piece of discussion topic, just like that journalist who couldn't tell the difference between ear plugs and rubber bullets.
If some bloke want's to wrestle with an alligator and he gets his arm bitten off, that's stupid but he should be allowed to do it again, with his one arm left, - he has got some thinking to do, hopefully he makes the right choice.

Same with US gun ranges and kiddies with Uzi's, sure blokes are getting their heads blown off by 9 years olds, but let the gun ranges carry on if they think they can pull it off ?

If parents and gun ranges eventually develop national tournaments for 9 year olds for trick shooting Uzi's with no blood spilt, then they may prove us wrong that kids can be trained to handle full auto machine guns all the time with zero casualties year after year.

Bit like alligator wrestlers though, for every one with an arm or hand or something bitten off there's bound to be dozens of others.
Same applies to Irishmen with bombs. They used to do such a great job with losing body parts. I bet you cry yourself to sleep wishing for the good old days.
Is the American terrorist funding association Noraid looking to supply bombs and guns again to stir up tensions in Northern Ireland ?


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Mr.Bitty on September 11, 2014, 11:44:47 AM
Misleading title, false premise, and fool's question all rolled into one with fake, weak agenda.

Does that sum up this thread?


It was an accident with a submachine gun where the instructor in question blew through all the important safe guards regarding how to act in a firing range before blowing himself away, not the least by allowing a 9 year old girl to handle a SUB MACHINE GUN.

Sub machine gun is a completely different weapon from a 'full auto machine gun' which describes more the m-2 browning .50 caliber weapon or SAW.

If you are going to post nonsense, at least try to know what the hell you are talking about beforehand. Fine piece of discussion topic, just like that journalist who couldn't tell the difference between ear plugs and rubber bullets.
If some bloke want's to wrestle with an alligator and he gets his arm bitten off, that's stupid but he should be allowed to do it again, with his one arm left, - he has got some thinking to do, hopefully he makes the right choice.

Same with US gun ranges and kiddies with Uzi's, sure blokes are getting their heads blown off by 9 years olds, but let the gun ranges carry on if they think they can pull it off ?

If parents and gun ranges eventually develop national tournaments for 9 year olds for trick shooting Uzi's with no blood spilt, then they may prove us wrong that kids can be trained to handle full auto machine guns all the time with zero casualties year after year.

Bit like alligator wrestlers though, for every one with an arm or hand or something bitten off there's bound to be dozens of others.
Same applies to Irishmen with bombs. They used to do such a great job with losing body parts. I bet you cry yourself to sleep wishing for the good old days.
Is the American terrorist funding association Noraid looking to supply bombs and guns again to stir up tensions in Northern Ireland ?
That would be the Kennedys, former criminals giving money to other former criminals .


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: zolace on September 11, 2014, 12:01:18 PM
Misleading title, false premise, and fool's question all rolled into one with fake, weak agenda.

Does that sum up this thread?


It was an accident with a submachine gun where the instructor in question blew through all the important safe guards regarding how to act in a firing range before blowing himself away, not the least by allowing a 9 year old girl to handle a SUB MACHINE GUN.

Sub machine gun is a completely different weapon from a 'full auto machine gun' which describes more the m-2 browning .50 caliber weapon or SAW.

If you are going to post nonsense, at least try to know what the hell you are talking about beforehand. Fine piece of discussion topic, just like that journalist who couldn't tell the difference between ear plugs and rubber bullets.
If some bloke want's to wrestle with an alligator and he gets his arm bitten off, that's stupid but he should be allowed to do it again, with his one arm left, - he has got some thinking to do, hopefully he makes the right choice.

Same with US gun ranges and kiddies with Uzi's, sure blokes are getting their heads blown off by 9 years olds, but let the gun ranges carry on if they think they can pull it off ?

If parents and gun ranges eventually develop national tournaments for 9 year olds for trick shooting Uzi's with no blood spilt, then they may prove us wrong that kids can be trained to handle full auto machine guns all the time with zero casualties year after year.

Bit like alligator wrestlers though, for every one with an arm or hand or something bitten off there's bound to be dozens of others.
Same applies to Irishmen with bombs. They used to do such a great job with losing body parts. I bet you cry yourself to sleep wishing for the good old days.
Is the American terrorist funding association Noraid looking to supply bombs and guns again to stir up tensions in Northern Ireland ?
That would be the Kennedys, former criminals giving money to other former criminals .
Who was that Irish man who first set up the american auto industry with production line manufacture ? Ah yeah, Henry Ford.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Mr.Bitty on September 11, 2014, 12:11:28 PM
Misleading title, false premise, and fool's question all rolled into one with fake, weak agenda.

Does that sum up this thread?


It was an accident with a submachine gun where the instructor in question blew through all the important safe guards regarding how to act in a firing range before blowing himself away, not the least by allowing a 9 year old girl to handle a SUB MACHINE GUN.

Sub machine gun is a completely different weapon from a 'full auto machine gun' which describes more the m-2 browning .50 caliber weapon or SAW.

If you are going to post nonsense, at least try to know what the hell you are talking about beforehand. Fine piece of discussion topic, just like that journalist who couldn't tell the difference between ear plugs and rubber bullets.
If some bloke want's to wrestle with an alligator and he gets his arm bitten off, that's stupid but he should be allowed to do it again, with his one arm left, - he has got some thinking to do, hopefully he makes the right choice.

Same with US gun ranges and kiddies with Uzi's, sure blokes are getting their heads blown off by 9 years olds, but let the gun ranges carry on if they think they can pull it off ?

If parents and gun ranges eventually develop national tournaments for 9 year olds for trick shooting Uzi's with no blood spilt, then they may prove us wrong that kids can be trained to handle full auto machine guns all the time with zero casualties year after year.

Bit like alligator wrestlers though, for every one with an arm or hand or something bitten off there's bound to be dozens of others.
Same applies to Irishmen with bombs. They used to do such a great job with losing body parts. I bet you cry yourself to sleep wishing for the good old days.
Is the American terrorist funding association Noraid looking to supply bombs and guns again to stir up tensions in Northern Ireland ?
That would be the Kennedys, former criminals giving money to other former criminals .
Who was that Irish man who first set up the american auto industry with production line manufacture ? Ah yeah, Henry Ford.
He was a nazi sympathizer also, just like the Irish.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: sana8410 on September 11, 2014, 01:37:59 PM
Henry Ford learned of a process for turning wood scraps from the production of Model T's into charcoal briquets. He built a charcoal plant, and the rest is history. The Kingsford Company was formed when E.G. Kingsford, a relative of Ford's, brokered the site selection for Ford's new charcoal manufacturing plant. The company, originally called Ford Charcoal, was renamed KingsfordŽ Charcoal in his honor.
Today, the Kingsford Products Company remains the leading manufacturer of charcoal in the U.S. More than 1 million tons of wood scraps are converted into quality charcoal briquets every year.
Barbequing with charcoal has become immensely popular since Ford's time.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: zolace on September 11, 2014, 01:44:02 PM
The next time Mr.Bitty is stood out on his back lawn stuffing grilled chicken down his gullet in awe at the roasting waft of charcoal on the breeze, he can offer a silent dedication to that wee Irish fella Henry, no doubt still thinking he was a potential thick paddywhack spud eating bomb making bastard who slipped through customs as an illegal alien without being a proper dandy gay boy on the mayflower.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: zolace on September 11, 2014, 02:10:44 PM
Here's a song about Mr.Bitty's ideal ponce like london england poof boy US settler type dandy toff ...


I'm Bert, p'raps you've heard of me
Bert, you've had word of me,
Jogging along, hearty and strong
Living on plates of fresh air
I dress up in fashion
And when I am feeling depressed
I shave from my cuff all the whiskers and fluff
Stick my hat on and toddle up West

I'm Burlington Bertie, I rise at ten thirty
And saunter along like a toff
I walk down the Strand with my gloves on my hand
Then I walk down again with them off
I'm all airs and graces, correct easy paces
Without food so long I've forgot where my face is
I'm Bert, Bert, I haven't a shirt
But my people are well off you know.
Nearly everyone knows me from Smith to Lord Rosebr'y,
I'm Burlington Bertie from Bow.

I stroll with Lord Hurlington,
Roll in The Burlington
Call for Champagne, walk out again
Come back and borrow the ink
I live most expensive
Like Tom Lipton I'm in the swim
He's got so much 'oof', he sleeps on the roof
And I live in the room over him.

I'm Burlington Bertie, I rise at ten thirty
And saunter along Temple Bar
As round there I skip
I keep shouting 'Pip Pip!'
And the darn'd fools think I'm in my car
At Rothchilds I swank it
My body I plank it
On his front door step with 'The Mail' for a blanket
I'm Bert, Bert, and Rothchild was hurt
He said ' You can't sleep there' I said 'Oh'
He said 'I'm Rothchild sonny!' I said 'That's damn'd funny,
I'm Burlington Bertie from Bow'

I smile condescendingly
While they're extending me
Cheer upon cheer when I appear
Captain with my polo team
So strict are my people
They're William the Conqueror's strain
If they ever knew I'd been talking to you
Why they'd never look at me again

I'm Burlington Bertie, I rise at ten thirty
And reach Kempton park around three
I stand by the rail, when a horse is for sale
And you ought to see Wooton watch me
I lean on some awning while Lord Derby's yawning
Then he bids two thousand and I bid Good Morning
I'm Bert, Bert, I'd buy one, a cert
But where would I keep it you know
I can't let my man see me in bed with a gee-gee
I'm Burlington Bertie from Bow!

My pose, Tho' ironical
Shows that my monocle
Holds up my face, keeps it in place,
Stops it from slipping away.
Cigars, I smoke thousands,
I usually deal in The Strand
But you've got to take care when you're getting them there
Or some idiot might stand on your hand.

I'm Burlington Bertie, I rise at ten thirty
And Buckingham Palace I view.
I stand in the yard while they're changing the guard
And the queen shouts across "Toodle oo"!
The Prince of Wales' brother along with some other
Slaps me on the back and says "Come and see Mother"
But I'm Bert, Bert, and Royalty's hurt,
When they ask me to dine I say no.
I've just had a banana with Lady Diana
I'm Burlington Bertie from Bow.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: Mr.Bitty on September 11, 2014, 02:25:11 PM
The next time Mr.Bitty is stood out on his back lawn stuffing grilled chicken down his gullet in awe at the roasting waft of charcoal on the breeze, he can offer a silent dedication to that wee Irish fella Henry, no doubt still thinking he was a potential thick paddywhack spud eating bomb making bastard who slipped through customs as an illegal alien without being a proper dandy gay boy on the mayflower.
So all there is in your post of drivel is that you're jealous I can afford better than wormy potatoes and a 6 pack. We all knew that already. The British only kicked your asses repeatedly because they hoped to help you rise above the trash heap. High hopes indeed.


Title: Re: 9 year old girl kills bloke stone dead with full auto machine gun
Post by: dankkk on September 12, 2014, 02:59:44 AM
What about the parents'?
Who decided a 9 year old should ,shoot an uzi
The parents are first to blame,what was in their head to take their daughter on shooting lessons?There are a lot of others interesting activities you can take your child too not on a shooting field.
I think the instructor is more to blame then the parents (although they are both responsible). The instructor was a professional and should have know that a 9 year old would not be strong enough to be able to be able to sufficiently handle an automatic gun like this.