Title: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: sana8410 on September 03, 2014, 11:13:11 AM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 03, 2014, 01:10:57 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. Of all the things I've heard said about GWB, timid responses were not among them. I doubt anyone considered him overly cautious. He certainly believed in American military adventurism.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html However, the basis of Obama's foreign policy seems to be that if it doesn't directly affect American interests, or American citizens, he really doesn't want to interfere too much. These people are essentially forcing him to address people getting murdered specifically because they are American. They are making it his business. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: sana8410 on September 03, 2014, 01:18:38 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. Of all the things I've heard said about GWB, timid responses were not among them. I doubt anyone considered him overly cautious. He certainly believed in American military adventurism.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html However, the basis of Obama's foreign policy seems to be that if it doesn't directly affect American interests, or American citizens, he really doesn't want to interfere too much. These people are essentially forcing him to address people getting murdered specifically because they are American. They are making it his business. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Mr.Bitty on September 03, 2014, 01:23:02 PM Israel's massacres against the Palestinians are utterly condemnable and so is the silence of most Western nations but this does not in anyways justify the beheading of people. Such a despicable and disgraceful act.
Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Rigon on September 03, 2014, 01:45:24 PM Hamas and ISIS are practically indistinguishable. Israel responded appropriately to terrorist attacks. The west needs to respond similarly to ISIS attacks.
Obama gave up the fruits of victory in Iraq and walked away. The foolishness of his badly broken foreign policy is now apparent. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: BitCoinNutJob on September 03, 2014, 01:49:04 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html Broken link? Cameron seems to be on full fear mongering mode about this one btw Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: RodeoX on September 03, 2014, 01:59:18 PM MESSAGE TO THE ISLAMIC STATE I am not afraid of you. Neither are my friends. But you should be afraid of my friends, they are very bad men. The kind who put a bag over your head in the middle of the night. Start praying to Allah that they give you back to the U.K. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: sana8410 on September 03, 2014, 02:01:30 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html Broken link? Cameron seems to be on full fear mongering mode about this one btw Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: bryant.coleman on September 03, 2014, 02:02:10 PM 2 US journalists beheaded by the ISIS militants, who are fighting against the US. At the same time, Russian journalist Andrei Stenin was murdered by Right Sector extremists, who are supported by the US in Ukraine. I just hope that Obama condemns all these murders. Murder of journalists should be dealt with, whether they are done by the anti-US or the pro-US factions.
Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: sana8410 on September 03, 2014, 02:04:35 PM MESSAGE TO THE ISLAMIC STATE I am not afraid of you. Neither are my friends. But you should be afraid of my friends, they are very bad men. The kind who put a bag over your head in the middle of the night. Start praying to Allah that they give you back to the U.K. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: umair127 on September 03, 2014, 02:05:18 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. They are acting out of fear, nothing else, ISIS is starting to feel the heat, loosing lots of territory faster than it took to gain it.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html But what is really really funny is that US has not even started and has made ISIS retreat like roaches. I think US has not even used more than 4 fighter jets and a couple of drones, the advantage on the battle field is just huge. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 03, 2014, 02:57:04 PM 2 US journalists beheaded by the ISIS militants, who are fighting against the US. At the same time, Russian journalist Andrei Stenin was murdered by Right Sector extremists, who are supported by the US in Ukraine. I just hope that Obama condemns all these murders. Murder of journalists should be dealt with, whether they are done by the anti-US or the pro-US factions. The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes.Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: noviapriani on September 03, 2014, 02:58:52 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. I got news for you the united states have been executing muslims since 9/11 with drones,now its up to you to choose which is more babaric,useing a missile to blow you to pieces or a beheading,which is very common,the syrians having been doing it so has the saudies,and its was done in lebanon.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html Remember Obama had said the united states is at war with isil,which was like the death sentice on the american held hostages. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: sana8410 on September 03, 2014, 03:00:16 PM 2 US journalists beheaded by the ISIS militants, who are fighting against the US. At the same time, Russian journalist Andrei Stenin was murdered by Right Sector extremists, who are supported by the US in Ukraine. I just hope that Obama condemns all these murders. Murder of journalists should be dealt with, whether they are done by the anti-US or the pro-US factions. The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes.Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: sana8410 on September 03, 2014, 03:27:05 PM Anyone with two functioning brain cells knows that is not true, and can readily prove it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075685/Over-Last-U-S-troops-leave-Iraq.html 1. Over and out: Last U.S. troops leave Iraq | Mail Online http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075685/Over-Last-U-S-troops-leave-Iraq.html Daily Mail Dec 18, 2011 - The departure is slightly earlier than the planned date of December 31. ... U.S. troops have finally left Iraq - after nearly nine years, more than a ... 2. Deadly Iraq war ends with exit of last U.S. troops - CNN.com www.cnn.com/2011/12/17/world/meast/iraq-troops-leave/ CNN Dec 18, 2011 - In a final tactical road march, the last U.S. troops in Iraq crossed the border into Kuwait Sunday morning, ending almost nine years of war. ... Analysts: Questions remain as U.S. troops leave .... Timeline: Key dates in the war. 3. Rewriting History - Media Matters for America mediamatters.org/research/2014/.../200380 Media Matters for America Aug 10, 2014 - When President Obama announced in October of 2011 that no U.S. troops would be left in Iraq, he said he was fulfilling a campaign promise. 4. Last Convoy of American Troops Leaves Iraq - NYTimes.com www.nytimes.com/.../last-convoy-of-american-troo... The New York Times Dec 18, 2011 - BAGHDAD — The last convoy of American troops drove into Kuwait on Sunday morning, punctuating the end of the nearly nine-year war in Iraq ... Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: umair127 on September 03, 2014, 03:30:04 PM 2 US journalists beheaded by the ISIS militants, who are fighting against the US. At the same time, Russian journalist Andrei Stenin was murdered by Right Sector extremists, who are supported by the US in Ukraine. I just hope that Obama condemns all these murders. Murder of journalists should be dealt with, whether they are done by the anti-US or the pro-US factions. The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes.Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: umair127 on September 03, 2014, 03:37:18 PM 2 US journalists beheaded by the ISIS militants, who are fighting against the US. At the same time, Russian journalist Andrei Stenin was murdered by Right Sector extremists, who are supported by the US in Ukraine. I just hope that Obama condemns all these murders. Murder of journalists should be dealt with, whether they are done by the anti-US or the pro-US factions. The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes.Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 03, 2014, 03:42:05 PM 2 US journalists beheaded by the ISIS militants, who are fighting against the US. At the same time, Russian journalist Andrei Stenin was murdered by Right Sector extremists, who are supported by the US in Ukraine. I just hope that Obama condemns all these murders. Murder of journalists should be dealt with, whether they are done by the anti-US or the pro-US factions. The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOcPCrGRs6k This was in 2010, long after Bush left office! Then, against all advice to the contrary, Obama pulled out all the troops and left Iraq defended only by very green troops, and we saw what happened when they faced ISIS! They ran. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: umair127 on September 03, 2014, 03:44:12 PM In the last option for a do-over Romney won by about 6%, I wonder if that poll were taken today if Romney would win by double digits and if he did could we the people demand a real do-over by November 2014 with a transition by the end of that month.
Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: tsoPANos on September 03, 2014, 04:01:16 PM And.. they will do it again...
and again... As the USA has the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" policy. They sacrifice it's people to make the public opinion on the ISIS worse.. I won't be surprised Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: umair127 on September 03, 2014, 04:09:46 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. I got news for you the united states have been executing muslims since 9/11 with drones,now its up to you to choose which is more babaric,useing a missile to blow you to pieces or a beheading,which is very common,the syrians having been doing it so has the saudies,and its was done in lebanon.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html Remember Obama had said the united states is at war with isil,which was like the death sentice on the american held hostages. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: bryant.coleman on September 03, 2014, 04:43:31 PM The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes. No one is asking the United States to intervene directly in Iraq. But I can't understand why they are not helping the Peshmerga. The Kurdish fighters are armed only with light weapons and they are finding it increasingly difficult to take on the ISIS. But off course, there is the strong pressure from Turkey against arming the Kurds. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Chef Ramsay on September 03, 2014, 04:44:10 PM Obama sending 350 more military personnel to Iraq
mission creep Quote WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama has authorized sending 350 more military personnel to Iraq protect U.S. facilities and personnel in Baghdad, the White House said Tuesday night. The moves comes at the recommendation of the Defense Department, but the additional personnel will not be serving in a combat role, the White House said in a statement. Most are from the Army and some are Marines, the Pentagon said in a statement. more...http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-sending-350-more-military-personnel-to-iraq/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-sending-350-more-military-personnel-to-iraq/) Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: noviapriani on September 03, 2014, 04:49:23 PM 2 US journalists beheaded by the ISIS militants, who are fighting against the US. At the same time, Russian journalist Andrei Stenin was murdered by Right Sector extremists, who are supported by the US in Ukraine. I just hope that Obama condemns all these murders. Murder of journalists should be dealt with, whether they are done by the anti-US or the pro-US factions. The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOcPCrGRs6k This was in 2010, long after Bush left office! Then, against all advice to the contrary, Obama pulled out all the troops and left Iraq defended only by very green troops, and we saw what happened when they faced ISIS! They ran. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Mr.Bitty on September 03, 2014, 04:51:41 PM I cant help thinking this is a manipulation of the CIA, MI6, and Mossad to get us whipped up into war mode. And I am afraid of what this portends for the next presidential election. Can we get so blood thirsty we turn on our own who disagree with the war path?
It would be nice if we could stop all the manipulation. To what ends are we being manipulated? Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 03, 2014, 04:51:56 PM The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes. No one is asking the United States to intervene directly in Iraq. But I can't understand why they are not helping the Peshmerga. The Kurdish fighters are armed only with light weapons and they are finding it increasingly difficult to take on the ISIS. But off course, there is the strong pressure from Turkey against arming the Kurds. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: noviapriani on September 03, 2014, 04:53:45 PM The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes. No one is asking the United States to intervene directly in Iraq. But I can't understand why they are not helping the Peshmerga. The Kurdish fighters are armed only with light weapons and they are finding it increasingly difficult to take on the ISIS. But off course, there is the strong pressure from Turkey against arming the Kurds. The real problem is that the righties just look and see how they can make Obama look bad and don't really give a damn about how it will effect the US and the people in the middle east. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Kluge on September 03, 2014, 04:54:58 PM The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes. No one is asking the United States to intervene directly in Iraq. But I can't understand why they are not helping the Peshmerga. The Kurdish fighters are armed only with light weapons... Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 03, 2014, 04:57:17 PM The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes. No one is asking the United States to intervene directly in Iraq. But I can't understand why they are not helping the Peshmerga. The Kurdish fighters are armed only with light weapons and they are finding it increasingly difficult to take on the ISIS. But off course, there is the strong pressure from Turkey against arming the Kurds. The real problem is that the righties just look and see how they can make Obama look bad and don't really give a damn about how it will effect the US and the people in the middle east. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Mr.Bitty on September 03, 2014, 05:02:59 PM Obama sending 350 more military personnel to Iraq mission creep Quote WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama has authorized sending 350 more military personnel to Iraq protect U.S. facilities and personnel in Baghdad, the White House said Tuesday night. The moves comes at the recommendation of the Defense Department, but the additional personnel will not be serving in a combat role, the White House said in a statement. Most are from the Army and some are Marines, the Pentagon said in a statement. more...http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-sending-350-more-military-personnel-to-iraq/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-sending-350-more-military-personnel-to-iraq/) President Obama approved sending 350 additional troops to the Iraqi capital to increase security at the Baghdad embassy compound and its support facilities. The Pentagon said late Tuesday that the new personnel will build upon previous deployments that were announced in June, boosting security in Iraq to about 820 people. -snip- With the 350 new arrivals, there will be 1,113 personnel in Iraq. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Rigon on September 03, 2014, 05:04:02 PM The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes. No one is asking the United States to intervene directly in Iraq. But I can't understand why they are not helping the Peshmerga. The Kurdish fighters are armed only with light weapons and they are finding it increasingly difficult to take on the ISIS. But off course, there is the strong pressure from Turkey against arming the Kurds. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Spendulus on September 03, 2014, 05:05:37 PM The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes. No one is asking the United States to intervene directly in Iraq. But I can't understand why they are not helping the Peshmerga. The Kurdish fighters are armed only with light weapons... That would be a well earned success. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 03, 2014, 05:07:04 PM ISIS terrorists could be in America in just months if 'neglected,' warns Saudi king
Saudi King Abdullah predicted that bloodthirsty jihadists will quickly spread throughout Europe and the United States if left unchecked, according to remarks reported Saturday by official Saudi media. On the same day Abdullah delivered his warning, U.S. fighter jets and unmanned drones launched five strikes against ISIS near Iraq's Mosul Dam. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-terrorists-america-warns-saudi-king-article-1.1922590#ixzz3CCOj374A Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: bryant.coleman on September 03, 2014, 05:20:47 PM The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes. No one is asking the United States to intervene directly in Iraq. But I can't understand why they are not helping the Peshmerga. The Kurdish fighters are armed only with light weapons... Howitzers, and tanks, and helicopters? I don't think that the Kurds have a lot of these items. (I am talking about the Kurds in Syria and Iraq, and not about those in Turkey). Right now they are the most "secular" fighting force out there in that region. Arming them is much better than arming the cowards of the Iraqi army, as the US have been doing till now. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Spendulus on September 03, 2014, 08:30:58 PM 2 US journalists beheaded by the ISIS militants, who are fighting against the US. At the same time, Russian journalist Andrei Stenin was murdered by Right Sector extremists, who are supported by the US in Ukraine. I just hope that Obama condemns all these murders. Murder of journalists should be dealt with, whether they are done by the anti-US or the pro-US factions. The left, of course, would rather talk about Ferguson, Michael Brown, and Darren Wilson, and ignore Obama's fecklessness. We don't send American troops back into that cesspool. Obama pulled them out and gave up all the ground they had gained, now we do NOT ask them to go back and die some more for the same real estate and the same raghead assholes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOcPCrGRs6k This was in 2010, long after Bush left office! Then, against all advice to the contrary, Obama pulled out all the troops and left Iraq defended only by very green troops, and we saw what happened when they faced ISIS! They ran. A number of inactions taken by Obama have incresed the power base of radical Muslims. A number of domestic attacks by radical Muslims have been relabled by Obama to not be attacks by radical Muslims. This guy, Obama, sure is starting to look like he likes radical Muslims. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: misscointamer on September 04, 2014, 04:15:48 AM I dont know what Obama is cooking right now. 2 innocent foreign are dead because of this thing called freedom. Obama should move now. He said he is not threatened by it but still he should strike back now.
Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: bryant.coleman on September 04, 2014, 06:41:27 AM I dont know what Obama is cooking right now. 2 innocent foreign are dead because of this thing called freedom. Obama should move now. He said he is not threatened by it but still he should strike back now. May be Obama is thinking that the ISIS pose no threat to mainland US and therefore he doesn't need to bother about them. Also, his term will come to an end in 2-years time. He don't want to tarnish his reputation by undertaking another war, causing thousands of American casualties. But what will happen if the ISIS launch a terror attack in the mainland US? Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: umair127 on September 04, 2014, 12:57:10 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. Of all the things I've heard said about GWB, timid responses were not among them. I doubt anyone considered him overly cautious. He certainly believed in American military adventurism.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html However, the basis of Obama's foreign policy seems to be that if it doesn't directly affect American interests, or American citizens, he really doesn't want to interfere too much. These people are essentially forcing him to address people getting murdered specifically because they are American. They are making it his business. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: purplebanana on September 04, 2014, 01:18:05 PM This is very sad. Unfortunately, this will keep happening until ISIS is stopped.
Or, when obama is no longer president. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 04, 2014, 01:20:00 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. Of all the things I've heard said about GWB, timid responses were not among them. I doubt anyone considered him overly cautious. He certainly believed in American military adventurism.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html However, the basis of Obama's foreign policy seems to be that if it doesn't directly affect American interests, or American citizens, he really doesn't want to interfere too much. These people are essentially forcing him to address people getting murdered specifically because they are American. They are making it his business. The air attacks against IS, that these murders are purportedly a response to, are neither adventurism nor the result of an aggressive world view. In fact our response in that region so far is markedly less aggressive than the last time we played air strikes/ground assault and assholes over there, so I really don't get what you mean. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: umair127 on September 04, 2014, 01:30:20 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. Of all the things I've heard said about GWB, timid responses were not among them. I doubt anyone considered him overly cautious. He certainly believed in American military adventurism.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html However, the basis of Obama's foreign policy seems to be that if it doesn't directly affect American interests, or American citizens, he really doesn't want to interfere too much. These people are essentially forcing him to address people getting murdered specifically because they are American. They are making it his business. The air attacks against IS, that these murders are purportedly a response to, are neither adventurism nor the result of an aggressive world view. In fact our response in that region so far is markedly less aggressive than the last time we played air strikes/ground assault and assholes over there, so I really don't get what you mean. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: sana8410 on September 04, 2014, 01:32:57 PM Firstly, military adventurism is an obsolete term that is now widely considered devoid of geopolitical or formal academia designation. The term was previously employed in substantial indexes to describe Imperial Japan's transnational aggression and territorial expansion. Why does this information hold reverence to your asinine assertions? Because Imperial Japan conducted their aggressive incursion policies for a period most historians agree to be approximately fifty years. We're talking about combat engagements with various countries in protracted ground conflicts with oscillating claims of terrestrial estate and occupation. President Obama has been in office for seven years; how can his Administration's limited statecraft endeavors even begin to grasp "military adventurism"? Of course Obama doesn't fucking have 'it' "in his hope chest". Special operation forces raids and precision airstrikes in third-world countries, besides his inherited problems like Iraq and Afghanistan, are more aligned with military doctrines like manhunting and enemy transportation denial. It is highly unlikely that President Obama would mobilize conventional ground attack elements to combat regional, mobile terrorists while occupying proximate countries for fifty years.
Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 04, 2014, 01:34:45 PM This is very sad. Unfortunately, this will keep happening until ISIS is stopped. This seems more like a protracted hostage situation, with 'no more air strikes' being the demand that if not fulfilled, leads to another dead hostage. This framing of the situation does target the president directly, but not because he is Obama: the president is the only person who can 'stop' the next murder.Or, when obama is no longer president. There really is only one way any president should respond to this. In public anyway. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: umair127 on September 04, 2014, 01:47:33 PM This is very sad. Unfortunately, this will keep happening until ISIS is stopped. This seems more like a protracted hostage situation, with 'no more air strikes' being the demand that if not fulfilled, leads to another dead hostage. This framing of the situation does target the president directly, but not because he is Obama: the president is the only person who can 'stop' the next murder.Or, when obama is no longer president. There really is only one way any president should respond to this. In public anyway. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: purplebanana on September 04, 2014, 01:50:52 PM This is very sad. Unfortunately, this will keep happening until ISIS is stopped. This seems more like a protracted hostage situation, with 'no more air strikes' being the demand that if not fulfilled, leads to another dead hostage. This framing of the situation does target the president directly, but not because he is Obama: the president is the only person who can 'stop' the next murder.Or, when obama is no longer president. There really is only one way any president should respond to this. In public anyway. Oh, I believe that the airstrikes shouldn't be stopped. I think obama actually should bomb more, because if he doesn't, ISIS is going to grow, and more journalists beheaded. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: sana8410 on September 04, 2014, 02:05:38 PM The only thing even partially logical is your perspective on a "less intrusive foreign policy". Increased economic sanctions and the aforementioned raid/airstrike aspects tend to support that notion.
Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: umair127 on September 04, 2014, 02:35:05 PM It's quite the clusterfuck when you look into it.
But I don't see Obama as having military adventurism in his hope chest. He may well be stuck with it, though. I hope he finds a good solution, although I'm not overly optimistic, because as I've mentioned before, I find his negotiation/diplomacy skills to be his weakest suit. I tend to believe he wants to steer the US towards a less intrusive foreign policy, but his timing just hasn't worked out. Events sometimes force policy. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: MoonRise on September 04, 2014, 03:01:51 PM Another US journalist (Steven Sotlof) killed by the IS. Appears to have been murdered by the same individual. They are not humans but animals.If they are against the western government why don't they just ask for a direct war and see what is gonna happen to them.These bastards must be cut into pieces and feed their pieces to vultures.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...156273317.html Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: fussel-fuel-four on September 04, 2014, 04:41:42 PM ISIS is savage and cruel. They must be stopped at all costs.
Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: bryant.coleman on September 04, 2014, 04:46:31 PM Oh, I believe that the airstrikes shouldn't be stopped. I think obama actually should bomb more, because if he doesn't, ISIS is going to grow, and more journalists beheaded. Or may be another good idea would be to give a few second hand bomber jets (albeit temporarily) to the Kurdish Peshmerga. Also, how he will bomb the ISIS positions within Syria? The Syrian government will not give permission for the US jets to enter its sovereign territory, and in case if the US does that then they will face a lot of heat in the UN. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 04, 2014, 05:25:53 PM This is very sad. Unfortunately, this will keep happening until ISIS is stopped. This seems more like a protracted hostage situation, with 'no more air strikes' being the demand that if not fulfilled, leads to another dead hostage. This framing of the situation does target the president directly, but not because he is Obama: the president is the only person who can 'stop' the next murder.Or, when obama is no longer president. There really is only one way any president should respond to this. In public anyway. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 04, 2014, 05:27:08 PM The only thing even partially logical is your perspective on a "less intrusive foreign policy". Increased economic sanctions and the aforementioned raid/airstrike aspects tend to support that notion. I know you're big on the presidency as a bully pulpit but I do not believe that this is a view which is really compatible with the state of the union, the state of technology, etc.; for a lot of the same reasons, I do not consider myself an advocate for democracy. Especially now.Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: zolace on September 04, 2014, 05:29:17 PM It's quite the clusterfuck when you look into it. Anyway, I've been wondering if these recent killings of American journalists have anything to do with the theories going around now which purport that ISIS is backed by the US. I actually like to see theories, not because I think they're true or because I want them to be true, rather I like what it means for ISIS' hopes of eventually uniting all of Sunni Islam under one banner. But I don't see Obama as having military adventurism in his hope chest. He may well be stuck with it, though. I hope he finds a good solution, although I'm not overly optimistic, because as I've mentioned before, I find his negotiation/diplomacy skills to be his weakest suit. I tend to believe he wants to steer the US towards a less intrusive foreign policy, but his timing just hasn't worked out. Events sometimes force policy. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: bryant.coleman on September 04, 2014, 06:18:53 PM Anyway, I've been wondering if these recent killings of American journalists have anything to do with the theories going around now which purport that ISIS is backed by the US. I actually like to see theories, not because I think they're true or because I want them to be true, rather I like what it means for ISIS' hopes of eventually uniting all of Sunni Islam under one banner. lol... how can anyone claim that the ISIS was created by the US, when they have already declared that their no.1 enemy is the United States? The parent organization of the ISIS is Al Qaeda, which is again an anti-US setup. All of the ISIS leaders are having long histories of Al Qaeda activity. So if the ISIS is indeed created by the US, then we will have to say that the Al Qaeda is also an invention of the Americans. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Get.BTC.Now on September 08, 2014, 02:13:32 PM I dont know what Obama is cooking right now. 2 innocent foreign are dead because of this thing called freedom. Obama should move now. He said he is not threatened by it but still he should strike back now. May be Obama is thinking that the ISIS pose no threat to mainland US and therefore he doesn't need to bother about them. Also, his term will come to an end in 2-years time. He don't want to tarnish his reputation by undertaking another war, causing thousands of American casualties. But what will happen if the ISIS launch a terror attack in the mainland US? Obama will create another war. Just one operation killing the head of the ISIS or an airstrike maybe. I think america should also make a threat. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: BJay87 on September 10, 2014, 06:02:59 AM Maybe a day of airstrikes in their region and blame it to russia.
Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Kluge on September 13, 2014, 04:48:08 AM I dont know what Obama is cooking right now. 2 innocent foreign are dead because of this thing called freedom. Obama should move now. He said he is not threatened by it but still he should strike back now. May be Obama is thinking that the ISIS pose no threat to mainland US and therefore he doesn't need to bother about them. Also, his term will come to an end in 2-years time. He don't want to tarnish his reputation by undertaking another war, causing thousands of American casualties. But what will happen if the ISIS launch a terror attack in the mainland US? Obama will create another war. Just one operation killing the head of the ISIS or an airstrike maybe. I think america should also make a threat. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: bryant.coleman on September 13, 2014, 05:50:08 AM Obama will create another war. Just one operation killing the head of the ISIS or an airstrike maybe. I think america should also make a threat. Killing the ISIS head will not achieve anything. ISIS is not an organization which is concentrated around one individual. In no time the leader will be replaced. Did the US managed to destroy Al Qaeda, after the assassination of Osama bin Laden? If Obama wants to defeat ISIS, then my advice to him will be: #1. Make sure no financial support reaches the ISIS from Qatar and Saudi Arabia #2. Make sure that the mercenaries are not able to cross over from Turkey to Syria (right now the Turkish authorities are allowing this, as the ISIS is fighting Kurds as well) #3. Revoke the citizenship of all those European / American / Australian mercenaries fighting for ISIS and freeze their assets #4. Give weapons and training to secular groups which are fighting the ISIS, such as the Peshmerga #5. Use air strikes to destroy the ISIS heavy weaponry. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: pajrinn on September 13, 2014, 07:43:38 AM ISIS has very unreasonable ,
If they uphold Al-Quran , they not do like that.. Their actions outside the way in Al-Quran,Killing is an act accursed for Allah. Someone must stop them, Let's pray them stop and gone :) Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Robert Paulson on September 13, 2014, 11:58:06 AM this is a trap, the same one Bin Laden used successfully to cripple America.
they are provoking America intentionally so that they spend another trillion dollars bombing a bunch of people on camels thereby bankrupting America completely. once the food stamp checks stop coming all they have to do is sit and watch the united states tear itself apart. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: indoboycoiner on September 18, 2014, 03:00:19 PM Beheaded the third british already..
Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: mllenios on October 08, 2014, 11:39:48 AM any updates about these guys? I heard they are now operating in several muslim countries too.
Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Kluge on October 12, 2014, 09:09:31 PM any updates about these guys? I heard they are now operating in several muslim countries too. They've spread a bit, controlling more land mass than government-controlled sections in Syria and Iraq, mostly pushing in North Syria, now. They continue to be organized in Sinai and to its West, which they claim as their Levant. NATO & relateds' non-ground military actions in Syria will likely succeed in keeping Assad in power but fail to actually root out ISIL. ISIL continues to hold many Iraqi and Syrian oil fields. However, the US & rest of NATO have been successful in recruiting Kurds and trying to get them on the West's side, great because the Kurds control a good many oil fields and had ambiguous diplomatic goals. NATO's actions will also prevent ISIL from properly taking Syria over and setting up a true government. Turkey still considers what to do with ISIL. ISIL gave an outline of countries they want to take (old-time Levant) which doesn't include Turkey, and given Turkey hates Assad (it's their condition for joining the war against ISIL), Turkey isn't willing to go all-out and burn all ISIL bridges, getting itself involved in a long occupation just yet. -And anyway, ISIL needs to sell its oil at a steep discount -- Turkey is maybe keeping that in mind and wondering if NATO will refuse both to oust Assad and commit ground troops, and maybe they also wonder what the USG would do if Turkey were to negotiate with ISIL.Without (yet another) military occupation, it's basically just a slowly failing quarantine. I'll be surprised if it doesn't turn into a ground war for NATO. US/Turkey diplomacy is what everything's waiting on while ISIL continues pushing out. If it fails, NATO almost has to put boots on the ground and occupy Iraq and Syria. IMO. Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: Spendulus on October 13, 2014, 01:03:41 PM ISIS has very unreasonable , If they uphold Al-Quran , they not do like that.. Their actions outside the way in Al-Quran,Killing is an act accursed for Allah. Someone must stop them, Let's pray them stop and gone :) +1 Title: Re: Islamic State 'beheads second US journalist' Post by: DhaniBoy on October 14, 2014, 05:17:18 PM whether the news is true? there should be a study back if the news is true? but what if there is a non-Muslim kills a Muslim but not seheboh this news? whether the media is only in favor of one group only and discredit the other group? where is a journalistic independence, which is always preaching the factual and reliable, hopefully the media not only in favor of one group ... >:(
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