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There will be a Bitcoin conference in Las-Vegas, please read entire post for additional important information.

http://insidebitcoins.com/las-vegas/2014/sponsors/ (http://insidebitcoins.com/las-vegas/2014/sponsors/)

Inside Bitcoins is the leading trade show for the fast-growing bitcoin and related cryptocurrency industry. This conference and expo provides up-to-date information on the latest in government compliance, marketing, managing and launching in the cryptocurrency world. Attendees have an opportunity to explore the growth of cryptocurrency, FinTech business trends, investment strategies, and more through conference sessions.

Everything looks great about this conference, HOWEVER!!!....

PLEASE BE AWARE: There is a very unethical company named AMT AKA "ADVANCED MINERS" that will be there soliciting their new products. The problem is that these products were created using the original investors money to make these deals, using preorder money.

You rarely get anywhere on your own.
Hire an attorney. Find more people that have been scammed. A nice class action suit will go a long way, plus since they've taken money from people in multiple jurisdictions, you would have no need to file the suit where they reside. You'd be able to file the summons from wherever the lead plaintiff resides.

There were lots of warning on pre-order scam on the forum.

Why did you decide to order knowing the odd of late and non-delivery is high?

As the rise of faith of people in bitcoin increases,the scammers will pop out just like a mushroom in and around to make a victim to their scam.You can't say who is scammer or who isn't many people having a higher profile here are also fake.Hope you would get your refund and glad to hear that you have reported to authorities to such scammer.

I don't think the CIA usually investigates this type of allegations.

When you buy any miner the cost of the parts will always be much less then the price you pay, as most of the cost of the miners are from research and development. It is very expensive to develop the technology to mine in a cost (electric) effective way.

You didn't post if the miner met the specs promised to you. Does it have the hashrate/power consumption that was promised to you? If it does then you have zero claim on them.

I never by anything online unless some real people have used and reviewed them.Even for the products on some high profile site I lookout for reviews first.There are many scammers around here with a fishing rod in hand to catch some fish they could eat up.

On the other hand, we could only hope that Joshua Zipkin does show up in Las Vegas, for the Jenkintown police are having a hard time tracking him down to question him about his murder threats. As far as I'm concern, a Las Vegas jail is as good as any, in fact it's better, considering the horror stories that come outta there.

There's a much worse criminal going to be there than AMT. The CEO of Butterfly Labs is a convicted felon. They've defrauded more people than AMT. It will take AMT years to catch up with BFL. I'm really surprised BFL has the balls to show up anywhere (where can I buy rotten eggs in Las Vegas?). I hear they're going to give a presentation too. It's called, Mail Fraud to Bitcoin - Stealing With Style.

I'm going to be there because I want to hear Bobby Lee's, James D’Angelo's and with his background Daniel Tannebaum from PwC should be an impressive regulatory presentation (and it gives me an excuse to gamble for a few days). Would you like me to give them a message for you (no pipe bombs or anything, just relatively civil words)? I'd be happy to do it.

I've had luck in the past using local PD when I got screwed on the Internet.  Demand a police report if there was a crime committed.  Good luck, and keep the news coming!

Also, let's stop sending money to these preorder companies, shall we?

edit:  Rereading my post, I'd like to clarify that I praise you for going to local PD, I'm not suggesting that you do that...as you clearly already have.

you mean they are bigger scammers than Butterfly Labs  as some people say  :o ?

Excessive use of large font, bold, and colors makes the post a pain in the @$$ to read.  Didn't get past the first sentence.  I have no idea if you have anything useful or interesting to say.

Goto Las Vegas and punch them out

I'll kill that email address with spam  ;D

sales@advancedminers.com

Except they have or HAD a miner protection program. The promise was (which by law those customers are entitled to now even if going forward new ones are not) that if you do not ROI in 6 months, we get an upgrade to the next level model free at their expense. When this was claimed, they backed off. As it was a defining feature of selling their product, its a slap in the face and blatant bait and switch tactics. This does indeed allow us a very legal claim. The hardware was also delivered more than 6 months late for most, which results in a direct depreciation value AND lost income as a result. FTC regulations are clear on these points. Additionally, they took the preorders and any and just about all claims for refunds were denied. THen they turned around and shipped machines only because of a pending court case. The saga is well documented in various AMT related threads in the hardware section and summed up in the leaked chats in this forum section.

Do you have proof of this?  That's extortion and completely separate from everything else.  I'd go back to the local PD with proof on that one.  Poof!  Refund!

wankers

spam time

Refer to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=759543.0 I was one of the participants in the chats. I used to be one of his biggest supporters. I tried to give them the benefit if the doubt, but was also as equally taken. But after repeated attempts to try to get him to compensate his customers back, well it was evident his intentions, were to just get out of the lawsuit and screw everyone. Even those of us helping him were taken for a ride. One of the non-customers opted to leak this information as he was fed up. I just decided to out him in all this and confirm it since Joshua Zipkin claimed it was all made up and fabricated. I had enough of his crap.

I am going to las vegas. i am order #610 who paid $5,959 last year. i have NOTHING from josh zipkin . i am going to meet this asshole personally and hope to god my anger does not get the best of me.

do you hear that zipkin - i'm gonna see your pasty fat white ass in vegas. talk that shit to my face fat boy.

Dammit man...I wish I was going....I would be there taking video of the whole thing. Immediate forum post LOL. Still all said I would save you from yourself on that...just let you express your anger verbally....dont need to get arrested over him :P No need to give him that joy. But easy to just confront and expose him.   

Hotel won't care. It's the hosting conference you need to contact.

Look what Bruno has been up to lately: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741795.0

Right, there are a number of illegal elements to this. No trade conference should be allowing them to participate with all this handing over their heads. It makes the conference look unreputable as well. Basically encouraging this kind of behavior. Fact that BFL is also on there as well is a huge flag considering that they even have a convicted felon on wire fraud as part of their company. These conferences do themselves no favors letting people like this into their floors as exhibitors or sponsors.

FYI look out for sock puppet accounts. Paul.Augustine is one of Josh's latest sock puppets. Read and judge for yourself if you think this is not a sock puppet account. Fact is our efforts are working against him in exposing him that he must resort to these deceptive practices, hence the need to create these sock puppets to create false numbers against those who detract from his scam.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569926.200

FYI Paul Augustine is his real estate agent. "Paul" went silent after that statement. I don't think the real Paul Augustine In Horsham, PA would appreciate his name being used in this manner. ;)

Reddit thread on the chat leaks.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2fnii5/amt_ceo_joshua_zipkins_naughty_and_nice_list/

FYI Josh has decided to retaliate against me, by illegally posting my personal information online for all to see. Considering all I did was confirm HIS words, and then post some more that he said, he does not enjoy the truth of the matter getting out there. He also claimed I was a high level (which means classified) government employee which not only potentially puts my family in severe danger (as most high level govt employees have their own security), but it is patently false.

I will be addressing this matter and working with prosecutors and whoever else to make sure this matter gets dealt with to the fullest extent of the law. His wire fraud among other crimes will be addressed in this as well. If anyone going to the Vegas show is lucky they will see him get cuffed as he apparently is currently in Bulgaria. Altho chances are he will get detained at the airport, OR not show up at all. I suppose we will see how this plays out.  You picked the wrong bear to poke Joshua Zipkin as I know you read everything I am posting. I really don't take kindly to threats. And there is a system in place to handle people like you Joshua Zipkin aka AMT_Miners. This is me making use of it.

For anyone with issues and who felt they have been defrauded by Joshua Zipkin please send me a PM with the details of your situation (no personal information required) just the order number and the amount. If you have been in other ways defrauded or somehow illegally acted upon by him feel free to also put that information in the PM. I will reply with the information you will require to make sure action can be taken. If you are international, this matter can still apply you as well.

Beware as he is at the EU bitcoin conference. He will be hawking his wares there as well.

Should also note the hardware he sells tends to be missing stuff. Power supplies and such that are advertised to come with the systems sold. Also note, that support is next to non-existent. Read the various AMT threads in the Hardware subform to get a good idea of how bad it can get. This is a vendor to avoid with extreme caution. Joshua Zipkin aka AMT_Miners should be avoided.

The conference is coming up in a couple of weeks. It's important people realize how he has been scamming people. All the relevant details are in the various threads referenced in this thread.

But to sum up:

-Mines with hardware before shipping it (every machine shipped months late had a unique configuration and a nice layer of dust)
-Ships without parts (PSUs or other needed parts and then neglects all support blaming the user)
-Insults or intimidates or attempts to intimidate people who speak out against Joshua Zipkin and AMT
-Is currently living in Bulgaria, but operating a shell office in PA to appear like a US business.
-While publicly claims to provide refunds, has stated in a group chat (search leak AMT chat in google or forum) that he does not intend to in various ways ("fuck the MPP" (miner protection program) and other excuses to avoid refunding)
-Claims there is no money but is giving talks and making trips to conferences worldwide
-Proclaims varying deals with large vendors in Korea (hi-mart basically Korean walmart), and brags about petahash farm deals in various locations bulgaria, NY and iceland.
-Sent some people $800USD miners for every $6,000USD paid.  Refuses to pay back or compensate difference.