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Devthedev put some negative trust on my account, but I never contacted Devthedev in any circumstances. I tried to contact him, but he's not answering to personal messages.

The only thing you can do is try persuade him to remove it, or if that fails try persuade the guy who put him on the default trust list to remove him. I'd try calmly work it out with dev though first.

Just try what hillarious told, but I cannot see any negative trust on your profile. Its looks fine to me.. :o

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=318623

And he did state in his post he has tried to contact the guy.

It's there. Go to his profile. Trust doesn't show up in Meta and some other subboards.

oh yeah. Now I can see it. How do you get added to the default trust list? And how do you get a green trust under your name?

You can only get added to the list by someone who is already on the list, so they have to deem you trustworthy. You get 'green' feedback from people who are already on the default trust list. Do trades with them and eventually you may get both trusted feedback and put on the list.

How did certain members get trusted by the account "DefaultTrust" in the first place? Is there an automated process or are these friends of Theymos?

They are people giving accurate trust ratings according to theymos

UpDown.BT, for the record you still haven't fully paid out one of your weekly payment for sig campaign. Those were the times where you got your negative ratings. I'm too lazy to backtrack to figure out how much you still owe.

Devthedev gave you that rating based on how you handled the situation.

I absolutely stand by this. It was rather a monthly campaign and that thread is now locked without paying out everyone. UpDown rightfully earned his first red from alexrossi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=86549). But somehow he's now out of DefaultTrust !!! Though, I'm NOT fond of DefaultTrust, Devthedev has done the correct thing. UpDown is falsely claiming everywhere that he has paid out everyone.

they can still neg trust u even if u never talked to them.

I wish Dev would have stated this in his trust rating details for UpDown.BT. That would clear up a lot of confusion.

I paid to everyone, that's how I handled the situation. The only arguing persons around is those who removed the signature before the end of the campaign and those who wasn't approved at all.

I just need a list who's not paid. I'm answering on PMs. For now I know about two angry users, both of them have no signature few days before campaign was ended, one of them was been banned also.

Why didnt U pay the 2 users in question ? Were they banned while they were part of your campaign ? If U found someone is changing your sig, then why didnt u post that in thread immediately to mark their ineligibility ? Those are actually part of your excuse for not paying out legit users. Your -ve should stay unless U pay out all these users or post proof that they changed sig or banned while they were part of your campaign.

I was one of the people you have not fully paid, and the problem started very early. Let me look through that thread again, I only had a few post in that thread so it shouldn't take long to sift through it

Btw, how many people share this UpDown forum account? Sometimes you cannot speak proper English and ignore all problems, other times you're fluent.

Trust is trust.

It just means that DevTheDev doesn't trust you. The respected members of the community trust him, and hence, we indirectly don't trust you.

I say convincing is futile now.

I've checked that we found no signature few days before campaign was ended. It's a most common source of complains, but we can pay only to the people who's signature was confirmed during the campaign.

We have few members around the universe, some of us are good in Klingon, but not so good in English.

I've answered to Haploid below. Everybody who's go along with the rules received payments. Some people was been afraid of my disappearance and dropped signature, so maybe it's not the best behavior from my side, but I have some reasons for that, and I'm clear because, again, everybody who's go along with the rules received their payments.

Simply put, I don't trust you.

There were multiple people who hadn't been paid for the signature campaign for one. Also, most of your dealings here have been shady, hence the feedback.

Posts like this reaffirm the decision in my mind.


Another instance, not too long ago with Updown confirming Updown.bz is an alt account.

You should have paid everyone who fulfilled the original deal. If they kept their signature for the month but then removed the signature, you should still pay it for that month.

U have purposefully dodged my questions. I have made them colorful so that u dont miss them this time. I dont speak Klingon and it is pure English. Moreover it seems like u have appeared in a new avatar updownbot.bz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774226.0) to dodge your -ve.

Yes, I paid everyone who fulfilled the original deal, that's the point. But if someone used signature for two days or one week instead of month it's against the rules of the deal.

Nope, we're not affiliated at all, they're just copying us. It's a sign of success.

> Were they banned while they were part of your campaign ?

I can't be sure there, but anyway point is that users had no signature few days before end of campaign.

(BTW we're always was very easy in terms of payments, just because sometimes it was easier to pay than to check thousands of messages, so nobody was claimed as a spammers, until they was banned).

> If U found someone is changing your sig, then why didnt u post that in thread immediately to mark their ineligibility ?

I wrote that anyone who kept signature will receive payment few days before payout. So everyone who have no signature will not receive payouts obviously.

To be honest with you — most of the arguing people (actually 2, and one complaining under different names because his original account is banned) is a greedy spammers, they dropped signature a week after my last answer in the thread, some of them was banned also, and they are now post in every of our topics, it's not a big deal for us to pay them, but it's better to have some balls. Many people received good payouts during the campaign, but nobody leaves good feedback in this cases.

Regarding .bz — no, we're not affiliated. They're copycats, so it's nice to be popular enough to be copied, but I just promoting our affiliate campaign to them, they have not so much instruments, so we can share some blocks with them for 50% of revenue from this blocks.

The first problem started when you advertise one rate, and pay lower. You can clearly see in the post titles what rates you were advertising. You also completely missed payments early in the campaign, which either was never fixed or ignored for a very long time. This personally affected me, but I didn't care about the amount enough to bitch about it. Others seemed pretty frustrated though. More problems stacked on, so I eventually just left:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600446.msg7084146#msg7084146


Glad I left early on and avoided the shitstorm towards the middle and end.

There are around 50 persons in the campaign, and sometimes our staff member missed that someone changed status during the campaign, but in all of this cases difference was been sent. The last member who claimed this difference was rosinlpl — and issue was solved. So if I owe you smth, just write me in PM, and I will cover this difference.

I was not in the Updown campaign, but I was keeping a close eye on the developments at the time. I remembered Updown went totally silent for at least a couple of weeks, did not confirm members or answer any questions. The campaign was not managed well (or not at all), hence resulted in a lot of disputes. Some even re-design signatures to adverstise Updown owing members money.

I believe these negative comments should stick with Updown, at least for a while longer, to remind people of what happened. Paying people back after a long delay is not a trustworthy act.

Everybody can go silent for a couple of weeks, unfortunately. Everybody got paid and disputes was been resolved and that's very important.