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The discussion starts around here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8715769#msg8715769    

Basic summary: A two part scam

Website was caught skipping nonces to rig rolls.  This would in effect allow them to maintain a 1% house edge profit for investors, thus attract more and more investments while allowing them to still skim the site investors of all legitimate profits made. Individual users such as stars have told me that they are owed 50+ coins.

Their defense:

They claim that a new rogue developer they hired was rigging the rolls to scam them but around 2 days before the incident there is proof of them saying that the only people involved are the original two: https://i.imgur.com/SJvuc1Q.png  (refutes their argument)

Example of one of the scams:

User stars was scammed 60+ coins according to Dooglus: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8721251#msg8721251



As a result of this around 4000-5000 coins have already been divested. 100s of coins are owed to people who placed wagers. They still appear to be honoring divestments though so I recommend divesting your funds for the time being.


Update 1: chat on dicebitcoin is now disabled and they are refusing to return a lot of owed funds.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that they did it themselves - they refuse to name this developer (because it doesn't exist).

scam.

Well damm. I had just PMed him last night about getting historical bankroll data last night because I was considering to invest 10 BTC in the bankroll.

Boy am I glad I didn't put my money there.

i said over and over, I had no idea why anyone would be investing with such a new dice site, to the tune of 7000 BTC.  Guess I was right to be skeptical.

dooglus basically endorsed it in his signature.

Their "official" thread is now locked and manl left a lot of personal compliments for Stunna in his last post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8730381#msg8730381

Incredibly the bankroll has gone up to 500+ BTC, is someone still investing there?

No one is investing here, it's the money they stole yesterday (mateo)

So their support got back to me stating I was not affected by the malicious code.

How do I verify, since it happened on the same day?

Hi there mrhelpful,
your account has never been affected by the malicious code. We have verified every bet of yours. You are more than welcome to check and verify your bets too.
Thank you.


But what I dont understand, is my rolls of loss happened the same day on Sept 7th. Like you mentioned here about "Stars": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8715769#msg8715769

Stars
http://gyazo.com/a685b4720e4b0894cee6959585911128


Mine
https://i.imgur.com/guCdJI7.png

Not all users were affected, only whales as it seems...like they targeted accounts with lot of BTC in balance. How much you lost? Is it worth going through all this?

The total loss is .42 but whatevers. Its a small amount compared to most.

I`m just want know in simple terms from the same day bets were placed that I wasnt losing .42 of this bug as well.

This is real ugly. Thanks stunna for letting us know.

It was good that someone caught the scam. Otherwise it would have continue to happen. Even though it was benefitting the investors and manl(from commision) the gambler's were getting f***ed over this.

Hey, Stunna, I don't know if Dicebitco.in is a scam or not, but you didn't pay me 0.005 BTC, and now you dare come here accusing someone of scamming? :(

To be brutally honest I'm not really that surprised that they were cheating - just that they managed to get caught doing it. I've always been a bit suspicious if the fact that they were willing to take so many coins especially given they had no trust except from the references of doog. Although I thought they might run with the coins (and so far it seems this isn't entirely the case) my suspicions were at least founded. Personally I found it absurd people were willing to invest coins with any random person on the internet - seems like a flashing sign asking to be robbed.

 

Dicebitco.in; PLZ STOP SCAMMING; THX

This is interesting, why he didn't pay you?

I don't know, I myself would like to hear the reasons from him...

There was a free giveaway for liking his FB page. I was a bit late, but then Stunna announced that there were still free slots available (since there were duplicate accounts), and right after that I did what I had been supposed to do, i.e. left a comment on his FB page, liked the message and the page (actually, my comment was the first after that announcement). As you can guess, I wasn't paid, and Stunna didn't deign a coherent answer why he hadn't paid me (maybe, he thought my FB account was fake)...

@$username Why are you threatening to users about Dicebitcoin signatures?

You call that scamming?! He had no obligation to pay you anything. You weren't entitled to those 0.005 apart from you thinking you should get it. I know you think he 'should pay out' but he doesn't need to.

Anyone else got PMd about this? If this is true I'll have to remove the sig. Such a shame that this might be a scam.

I advise you to read what I write. I never accused Stunna of scamming. Besides that, yes, he should pay, or give reasons why he doesn't (also read what public offer is about). I fulfilled all requirements, but you seem to not understand that one should stand by his word. I think at first it was an unwanted mistake by Stunna's part, I tried to contact him in private, but didn't get a definitive answer (actually got an evasion)...

I was PMed and I am really disappointed because I was threatened to remove my signature.

Too many people here are interested that it would turn out to be scam. I would refrain from being too quick on the trigger in this case. And these PMs from someone who has reputation in hundreds below zero are telling (I hope that guy is banned by now)...

Don't let anybody impede your rights to free speech. This includes threats for removing/altering your signatures.

Additionally, report any users that threaten to ruin your reputation if you do not comply to their demands, which consist of removing your signature.

I agree that it's strange and somewhat of a busy body thing to do, but I decided to change my signature since I got what looked like a final Payout, and from what I understand dicebitcoin has removed himself from the forum for the time being.

Honestly I don't know what has been going on, I don't have time to try verifying this myself.

I do find it strange to get a PM about it, seems like someone or some people are extremely angry at either a genuine scam or something else.

Actual reason I have removed signature is because I don't want to be connected with something that looks like a huge scam no matter what. I don't like the fact that main rival of DiceBitcoin has started it but I have to keep up to my standards.

I have removed signature  :'(

Seems a lot of people still don't realize they have DB signature or maybe they are still getting paid for it?

I have no way to know- the thread locked after lengthy back and forth.

I knew it was a scam ever since they started accepting "investors". No legitimate site would do that.

Looks reliable, been there since a long time and the guy running made his name public (you can find his linkedin profile easiy)

Are you being serious? You have the site's signature already. Just posting this to get more traffic on site?
My Concern is that after DB I can't trust my investments. If I invest around 1 BTC then after site increases 1 BTC in profit , I just get 0.001. So Overall investing 3 BTC at prc I have been in loss. But even if I become profitabl its only 0.01 max over a month. And its better to invest the money in bank or just gamble that amount.

He just took the site offline so it looks like he ran. Did people get BTC out of their accounts? Or was it kept.

Since this thread is used to give me negative trust by
I will post my arguments here.

I had coins invested with dicebitco.in and was able to completly divest and withdraw.
Manl and Gerry paid out everyone (to my knowledge) that lost coins.
Those that have not been paid out are those that won coins. I think that is acceptable as they have more than they had before the incident and thus did not lose anything. While you can argue that the rolls are deterministic the gamblers are not, thus it makes no sense to argue in hindsight if and what they players would have risked would the nounces not have been skipped.

I agreed to wear their signature for a months and I will honor my agreement.

Round 2 - quick summary here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg9047784#msg9047784

tl;dr: A player noticed missing nonces and fake bets,  then was denied a 160+ BTC withdrawal.

Why do you say that?

Then Just-Dice was not legit when it was accepting investors?

That's what I was wondering. I collected some 60,000 BTC from "investors" and gave it (almost*) all back.

* I still have a couple of hundred BTC from investors who haven't noticed that I shut the site down in June. I'm sure they'll notice some time.

LOL! Grow up dude.. so you got "scammed" for your free coins? Go cry me a river please..

It would be something else if he didn't process a withdrawal from PD to a given address.

Don't blame one guy...

There are some interesting developments in this scam including a feeble rebuttal from DB:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg9072493#msg9072493

No, I wouldn't BLAME dooglas, but I would wonder why he got behind this site so quickly before it had much of a track record.  He always seemed smarter than that.

I was looking for a reputable dice site to get behind. I didn't want to have to reopen Just-Dice, and looking around I couldn't see any decent dice sites. I tried PRCdice but the whole experience was horrible - it seems like the owner is an egotistical idiot - and so dicebitco.in was the best looking of the remaining alternatives.

It's a sad state of affairs, and I wish there was something better.

Lol and there are a lot of them here.

Talking about the egoistical idiot. There was no reason for a site owner to say this, but Dean had to:

https://i.imgur.com/yNe164K.png

I have no idea why would people be willing to invest in a site run by a person like him.

People invested in a site run by a person like me. It's only a small stretch from there to imagine them investing in a site run by a person like him. :)

manl doxed by AK:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg9105478#msg9105478

In completely unrelated news DiceBitco.in is shutting down:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg9105840#msg9105840

And as usual I have great investment advice here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg9106613#msg9106613

Dooglus all the way!

I think you were the reason (or at least your reputation) they were able to get so many people to invest in them. You had run JD so well and for such a long time that people almost assumed that someone running a dice site as DB with few issues for a short period would automatically be trustworthy.

They had a good sized bankroll prior to you getting involved (although this may have been "fake" aka their own money) and their large bankroll attracted others to want to join

EDIT: the solution would be to reopen JD

EDIT2: roughly how much were you able to make from running JD? I am sure it was enough so that it would be worth it to leave Canada

Shithead scam.