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Title: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: williamj2543 on September 11, 2014, 01:31:55 AM
Checked my address today, I apparently received exactly 1 satoshi from: 162RRiyg9CMZZ5FjyJbSHTLebtFCXd6KWj with the label btcsmart.net
In this transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/749559de62baf0ae58d1a70f34ff9c2164a61a7631a88c4ad4d7ecd749d055d2
What the heck is he trying to do, hes sending 1 satoshi to hundreds of addresses.


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: bigasic on September 11, 2014, 01:34:24 AM
they are technically spamming.. multibit gets rid of those as they will probably never confirm.. i dont know what info they are after, but they are doing it for a reason..


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: Kluge on September 11, 2014, 01:37:36 AM
they are technically spamming.. multibit gets rid of those as they will probably never confirm.. i dont know what info they are after, but they are doing it for a reason..
Well, you're probably going to at least Google the company name if you don't visit it outright. Could host malware. Dumb way to advertise, otherwise... super-slimy.


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: marryXmas on September 11, 2014, 03:42:25 AM
they are technically spamming.. multibit gets rid of those as they will probably never confirm.. i dont know what info they are after, but they are doing it for a reason..
Well, you're probably going to at least Google the company name if you don't visit it outright. Could host malware. Dumb way to advertise, otherwise... super-slimy.
I think it is actually a somewhat effective way to advertise. There was a gambling website that was sending out one satashi TXs to many addresses (thousands, if not 100s of thousands). It even made the news.

Laxotrade is sending out random TXs that are much bigger (~.0001) and there are a few threads open about them.

I am not sure how effective this kind of advertising from a cost standpoint but they are certainly getting people to look at their name at the very least.


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: shorena on September 11, 2014, 06:25:47 AM
they are technically spamming.. multibit gets rid of those as they will probably never confirm.. i dont know what info they are after, but they are doing it for a reason..

It confirmed. How does a TX with dust outputs confirm? I though that was no longer possible.


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: Kluge on September 11, 2014, 06:33:20 AM
they are technically spamming.. multibit gets rid of those as they will probably never confirm.. i dont know what info they are after, but they are doing it for a reason..

It confirmed. How does a TX with dust outputs confirm? I though that was no longer possible.
It's possible, but there are (relatively) harsh fees to send dust. He spent BTC0.0002 to spam out BTC0.0000025 in satoshis. Hard to beat ~9-10 US cents to direct-spam 25 people, though.


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: shorena on September 11, 2014, 09:53:18 AM
they are technically spamming.. multibit gets rid of those as they will probably never confirm.. i dont know what info they are after, but they are doing it for a reason..

It confirmed. How does a TX with dust outputs confirm? I though that was no longer possible.
It's possible, but there are (relatively) harsh fees to send dust. He spent BTC0.0002 to spam out BTC0.0000025 in satoshis. Hard to beat ~9-10 US cents to direct-spam 25 people, though.

I somehow was under the impression that a "gavin" (~5430 satoshi) was a protocol limit, but apparently thats wrong.

Edit: smallest amount that core allows is 0.00000546, so my memory also was wrong by a factor of 10.

Edit2: found it [1], apparently its more complicated.

Quote
// "Dust" is defined in terms of CTransaction::minRelayTxFee,
// which has units satoshis-per-kilobyte.
// If you'd pay more than 1/3 in fees
// to spend something, then we consider it dust.
// A typical txout is 34 bytes big, and will
// need a CTxIn of at least 148 bytes to spend:
// so dust is a txout less than 546 satoshis
// with default minRelayTxFee.

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/eecd3c0fb0625b036f68a7830dda8edde21fcb90/src/core.h#L195


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: virtualx on September 11, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
I got 1 satoshi too, which is strange as I cannot send transactions smaller than 0.0001 (the fee).
Which wallet has such low fees?


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: Loophole on September 11, 2014, 01:15:48 PM
Checked my address today, I apparently received exactly 1 satoshi from: 162RRiyg9CMZZ5FjyJbSHTLebtFCXd6KWj with the label btcsmart.net
In this transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/749559de62baf0ae58d1a70f34ff9c2164a61a7631a88c4ad4d7ecd749d055d2
What the heck is he trying to do, hes sending 1 satoshi to hundreds of addresses.

It is just an ad.
After receiving a mysterious transaction to your address, some of the receivers will go to blockchain.info to search for it, and a few of them will go to that site.

BTW, you received 10 satoshi instead. Congrats for getting 10 times more lol. ;)


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: bittown on September 11, 2014, 01:19:08 PM
Transaction fees should be increased to avoid these satoshi spams.


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: Loophole on September 11, 2014, 01:21:03 PM
I got 1 satoshi too, which is strange as I cannot send transactions smaller than 0.0001 (the fee).
Which wallet has such low fees?

You mean fee or dust output?

The transaction in OP pays 0.0002 BTC with a tx size of 1042 bytes, which is the standard tx fee 0.0001 btc per KB (rounding up to the nearest KB).


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: KimNam on September 11, 2014, 01:22:03 PM
lol, somebody using this method again for advertise some site
it's very annoying, but this one will disappear after few times
just remember somebody use this method to promote sochi winter olympics, with address 1Sochi :D


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: chanz on September 11, 2014, 01:24:42 PM
I got that several time too, but apparently it's just an another unspent output in wallet.
it took almost a week to confirm it but at last it got confirmed.


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: DMeeks on September 11, 2014, 01:26:34 PM
Hate dust, sometimes you pay even more fee just to send them..


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: whysosweet on September 11, 2014, 01:30:34 PM
This spam can increase dramatically the size of the blockchain if it's done by several people.


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: KimNam on September 11, 2014, 01:31:25 PM
Hate dust, sometimes you pay even more fee just to send them..
yeah right, sometimes fee for bitcoin network is more higher than that dust :D
but i think 1 satoshi dust won't confirmed by network
they will vanish after period of time :)


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: Loophole on September 11, 2014, 01:39:30 PM
Hate dust, sometimes you pay even more fee just to send them..
yeah right, sometimes fee for bitcoin network is more higher than that dust :D
but i think 1 satoshi dust won't confirmed by network
they will vanish after period of time :)

Not this time, the transaction mentioned in OP has already had 96 confirmations right now. :)


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: amaclin on September 11, 2014, 08:02:36 PM
Is it possible to remove blockchain.info tag from address?
(and remove address from bc.i tagged list)


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: mezmerizer9 on September 11, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
I've recieved about 200k satoshis whom someone, no label no nothing. Maybe someone used the wrong address? :D


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: DomoMan on September 11, 2014, 09:08:01 PM
Probably morons trying to spam the blockchain.


Title: Re: Random address sent me 1 satoshi
Post by: minerpumpkin on September 11, 2014, 09:49:02 PM
Most of those dust transactions are just advertisements or someone messing with people and/or the blockchain. At least they have to pay something for such a spam, although I think that miners could be wise to just decide to ignore such transactions or let the fees grow dramatically.
You've just created a thread about this, the advertisement has worked! :)