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I go to college in that area. The place is a real shit hole.

Why so? Because you've got an active police?

No, it's a real crappy city down south. I've heard it's the meth capital of the east coast. I don't know how true that is.

Why so? Because you've got an active police?

Has already been posted but can't seem to find the thread now. Maybe it got moved to the Press section.

"yet... the police seized all computers and the physical bitcoins that the Deendant possessed."

So... even though it's not illegal to use electricity, they confiscated his computers, etc.?
Also, what's a physical Bitcoin? Possibly paper wallets? Why would they seize safes or paper if no marijuana was being grown in the house?

They took his computers??!! That's his business, quite possibly his livelihood. And they actually charged him with crimes with very little evidence - a bit of marijuana in the house. A lot of states have a low fine if it's found in someone's pockets, but that's it. His lawyer is shit, total utter shit. He should be pressing every legal button available.

Oh I see what you mean now.

This has happened an odd number of times (at least two other times I can vaguely recall). I guess when your electricity provider sends the letter asking what's causing you to draw so much electricity, you damn well better fill it out truthfully and return the form in a timely manner. :-\

I don't think most electric companies generally make this inquiry. Also most of the times this has happened have always been in Canada that I recall. Maybe it has something to do with canidian law/regulations

Really? At both residences I've mined, I was sent a form a few months after in the US. Don't recall first provider -- second was Consumers.

This was already posted and covered here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781703.0

The reason the warrant was issued was him using eight times the normal usage of a residence *AND* because he had previous history of operating growing houses.

This isn't a case where some innocent person was raided due to simply using too much electricity. It was that fact combined with his previous criminal history. The seizure of the bitcoin was incidental to the raid. Bitcoin came into the picture AFTER the raid, it was not the cause as so many want to believe.

Whatever your personal feelings are regarding MJ, growing it in Virginia is still very much illegal.

Mining Bitcoin wasn't the issue, it was the grow operation that got him in trouble.


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http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/Pot-Bust-Leads-To-Investigation-into-Mans-Computer-228429621.html

Thats silly. spend all that money to raid someone just for an alleged plant?

u make it sound so innocuous.  but it causes schizophrenia in some people

and tylenol kills thousands of people a year, and peanuts, and shellfish

ban seafood for the childrens!!

u make it sound so innocuous.  but it causes schizophrenia in some people

This was already posted and covered here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781703.0

The reason the warrant was issued was him using eight times the normal usage of a residence *AND* because he had previous history of operating growing houses.

That'd have to be a pretty major study to prove it. You'd have to collect at least a thousand people people in various age, geographical, and ethnic groups, then have one group smoking and one group not, with regular, frequent drug testing. At the start and end, you'd have to then give everyone a psych exam -- this'd help remove any problems with selection bias, I'd guess.

Given how many schizophrenics are undiagnosed, I'd be more willing to bet the possible temporary paranoia of smoking exacerbates the person's eccentricities enough to lead to hospitalization which then leads to a schizophrenia diagnosis. If they put you in the psych ward to start out with in a hospital, that being on your record might influence whether or not a borderline's diagnosed, too.

That'd have to be a pretty major study to prove it. You'd have to collect at least a thousand people people in various age, geographical, and ethnic groups, then have one group smoking and one group not, with regular, frequent drug testing. At the start and end, you'd have to then give everyone a psych exam -- this'd help remove any problems with selection bias, I'd guess.

Given how many schizophrenics are undiagnosed, I'd be more willing to bet the possible temporary paranoia of smoking exacerbates the person's eccentricities enough to lead to hospitalization which then leads to a schizophrenia diagnosis. If they put you in the psych ward to start out with in a hospital, that being on your record might influence whether or not a borderline's diagnosed, too.

It does cause schizorphrenia in some people with prolonged use. i quit smoking marijuana because i would hear evil voices. they would tell me disturbing shit too. i'll never smoke that shit again, it was fucking up my brain. i can remember that i was barely cognitive when i stopped smoking marijuana, and suffered acute social anxiety. a few years later i feel fine now. maybe a bit nervous. no more voices, no more nasty lung infections. you watch though, they'll legalize this shit and the country will be filled with zombie ass morons who are barely cognitive.

It does cause schizorphrenia in some people with prolonged use. i quit smoking marijuana because i would hear evil voices. they would tell me disturbing shit too. i'll never smoke that shit again, it was fucking up my brain. i can remember that i was barely cognitive when i stopped smoking marijuana, and suffered acute social anxiety. a few years later i feel fine now. maybe a bit nervous. no more voices, no more nasty lung infections. you watch though, they'll legalize this shit and the country will be filled with zombie ass morons who are barely cognitive.

Down here the police force is just a money grabber for the city. Take a look at this article, It's pretty common for the cops to do as they feel and seize anything of value.

http://www.breezejmu.org/news/article_765b428a-8ee3-11e3-8e0f-001a4bcf6878.html (http://www.breezejmu.org/news/article_765b428a-8ee3-11e3-8e0f-001a4bcf6878.html)

Thats silly. spend all that money to raid someone just for an alleged plant?

It does cause schizorphrenia in some people with prolonged use. i quit smoking marijuana because i would hear evil voices. they would tell me disturbing shit too. i'll never smoke that shit again, it was fucking up my brain. i can remember that i was barely cognitive when i stopped smoking marijuana, and suffered acute social anxiety. a few years later i feel fine now. maybe a bit nervous. no more voices, no more nasty lung infections. you watch though, they'll legalize this shit and the country will be filled with zombie ass morons who are barely cognitive.

It already is, where have you been??

"Police also seized a pair of Nike shoes, a MacBook Pro, an iPhone, a LG phone, two keys to an Audi car, an herb grinder with residue, a Playstation 3, a 32-inch TV and butane fuel."

So they couldn't find anything tasty in the fridge then?

How do you tell the difference between such pigs and common burglars anyways?  ::)

Trust me, when somebody says that the town they've lived in is a shit hole, they know what what they're talking about, I don't know if this is a duplicate but it's definitely happened before, the police keep thinking that the electricity spikes from Bitcoin miners are the same as drug labs and such.

This may also be a sign that Bitcoin miners need to look at independent power supplies which can't be tracked LOL :P

Our country is not quite that bad, at least not yet. The real issue is that the legalism of marijuana is going to lead to a less productive workforce which means a slower growing economy

you watch though, they'll legalize this shit and the country will be filled with zombie ass morons who are barely cognitive.

The cops have his rigs mining away down at the station. Donut coin!

Legalization of marijuana does not imply wider use and a less productive workforce. It will only drive the drug lords out of business and result in higher tax collections.

After the case is over and all appeals have been exhausted then he should get his property back from the police, or at least the property that was not ill gotten from any crimes. (this is the law in the US and I imagine the law is similar in Canada)

Property may be seized and held by the police because they believe it was used or obtained while committing a crime. The police may permanently keep or sell property if they can prove in a civil court that it was unlawfully used or obtained.

Don't count on it. In the U.S., police can confiscate property suspected of being involved in illegal activity. Most likely, it will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be distributed to various police agencies. If the guy wants the stuff back (or the proceeds from the auction), he will have to file a lawsuit.