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Title: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 19, 2014, 07:28:29 PM
Through tonight to sunday, there won't be much price change... will float around 380-410... but come monday or tuesday, a sell off of monumental magnitudes will ensue.  I believe those will be the hesistant miners cutting their losses for this year.

Right now there is hesistation to sell, but strong hands are becoming shakier....

the drop to the sub 300s and 200s might happen sooner than i had thought.

Bitcoin certainly HAD potential last year this time.  But as it was revealed to the masses, people aren't exactly thrilled by its protocol and such.  Sure the protocol "works".  I mean, if it doesn't even work, then it shouldn't exist in the first place.

The argument that it "works" doesn't mean it is revolutionary.  


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: zeroday on September 19, 2014, 07:32:45 PM
Leverage shorts all the way. Time to make money :)


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Tzupy on September 19, 2014, 07:34:23 PM
Maybe, but I doubt it, BDD shows yet no signs of early adopters panicking. However miners may sell a lot.
And considering how long market moves take, I'd say that after the current drop ends into consolidation,
there could be some 10 days sideways before the next major drop. IMO 4 days seems too soon.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Argwai96 on September 19, 2014, 07:35:04 PM
While I tend to agree that more down is incoming, shorting $400 is very risky. Better to wait for a bounce to short or otherwise watch for the breakout to the downside.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: megadeth on September 19, 2014, 07:35:25 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Argwai96 on September 19, 2014, 07:36:23 PM
Maybe, but I doubt it, BDD shows yet no signs of early adopters panicking. However miners may sell a lot.
And considering how long market moves take, I'd say that after the current drop ends into consolidation,
there could be some 10 days sideways before the next major drop. IMO 4 days seems too soon.

I don't think we can get to $200s that quickly. I think though that we may have another down leg to this move, maybe get into that $340-360 range. I can't imagine bulls don't want to defend that level.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: zeroday on September 19, 2014, 07:38:57 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

This is why BTC ATMs are invading our planet :)
Now we need cheap coins to attract more followers.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: mccoyspace on September 19, 2014, 07:39:51 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

Except that it might be worth 500k when you get to the other side.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Tzupy on September 19, 2014, 07:40:00 PM
Maybe, but I doubt it, BDD shows yet no signs of early adopters panicking. However miners may sell a lot.
And considering how long market moves take, I'd say that after the current drop ends into consolidation,
there could be some 10 days sideways before the next major drop. IMO 4 days seems too soon.

I don't think we can get to $200s that quickly. I think though that we may have another down leg to this move, maybe get into that $340-360 range. I can't imagine bulls don't want to defend that level.

I didn't say drop to 200$. My current prediction for the bottom is 250$ - 300$, in the second half of October (already posted that days ago).
I have no reason to change it yet. Bulls can't defend much, they hold BTC, it's the bears (holding fiat) that define support levels.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Argwai96 on September 19, 2014, 07:41:59 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

And why is BTC the only thing capable of doing this? The blockchain protocol is what is important. Whether or not BTC maintains the dominant position in implementations of the blockchain is the question.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Argwai96 on September 19, 2014, 07:44:26 PM
Maybe, but I doubt it, BDD shows yet no signs of early adopters panicking. However miners may sell a lot.
And considering how long market moves take, I'd say that after the current drop ends into consolidation,
there could be some 10 days sideways before the next major drop. IMO 4 days seems too soon.

I don't think we can get to $200s that quickly. I think though that we may have another down leg to this move, maybe get into that $340-360 range. I can't imagine bulls don't want to defend that level.

I didn't say drop to 200$. My current prediction for the bottom is 250$ - 300$, in the second half of October (already posted that days ago).
I have no reason to change it yet. Bulls can't defend much, they hold BTC, it's the bears (holding fiat) that define support levels.

Just to clarify -- the OP said $200s. And I also said $200s. (Not $200) I agree that $250 is a likely floor, though I wouldn't rule out a wick to the $230 level either.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 19, 2014, 07:52:17 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

True, but the general public doesn't have 1m, nor need to take more than $9000 over boarders... but people have been treating bitcoin differently and way over valuing it, like the housing market of early 2000s.  lol @ going all in on mining gear and paper wallets.

And also, this luxury won't be happening for long, the whole anonymity thing.  I hope what seems like the inevitable won't be happening.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: spazzdla on September 19, 2014, 07:55:35 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

True, but the general public doesn't have 1m, nor need to take more than $9000 over boarders...

I could have a need to take my life savings to a different country........ ONLY BTC will allow me to do this.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Chuckee on September 19, 2014, 07:56:39 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

And if it were this morning, that $1 million is worth only $900k by the time you get to the other side of the border  :D :D

years of diligent saving... *poof*


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 19, 2014, 07:58:51 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

And if it were this morning, that $1 million is worth only $900k by the time you get to the other side of the border  :D :D

if you were flying virgin airlines, you'd have an internet connection and be able to sell... but then again, by the time you arrive at your destination, you could have screwed up your trades and have only $500k left!  ;D


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Ibian on September 19, 2014, 08:01:47 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

True, but the general public doesn't have 1m, nor need to take more than $9000 over boarders... but people have been treating bitcoin differently and way over valuing it, like the housing market of early 2000s.  lol @ going all in on mining gear and paper wallets.

And also, this luxury won't be happening for long, the whole anonymity thing.  I hope what seems like the inevitable won't be happening.
Stricter currency controls are likely in the near future. Legislation is being put into place - and is already in place in some countries - to legally confiscate private saving accounts. There will be another major crisis, and relatively soon. And more after that.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 19, 2014, 08:03:16 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

True, but the general public doesn't have 1m, nor need to take more than $9000 over boarders... but people have been treating bitcoin differently and way over valuing it, like the housing market of early 2000s.  lol @ going all in on mining gear and paper wallets.

And also, this luxury won't be happening for long, the whole anonymity thing.  I hope what seems like the inevitable won't be happening.
Stricter currency controls are likely in the near future. Legislation is being put into place - and is already in place in some countries - to legally confiscate private saving accounts. There will be another major crisis, and relatively soon. And more after that.

Yep bitcoin will be like greek mythology years from now.  I can tell my grand grand kids the legend of the bitcoin when we visit a museum showing bitcoins!  "The currency that didn't work"


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Ibian on September 19, 2014, 08:05:18 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

True, but the general public doesn't have 1m, nor need to take more than $9000 over boarders... but people have been treating bitcoin differently and way over valuing it, like the housing market of early 2000s.  lol @ going all in on mining gear and paper wallets.

And also, this luxury won't be happening for long, the whole anonymity thing.  I hope what seems like the inevitable won't be happening.
Stricter currency controls are likely in the near future. Legislation is being put into place - and is already in place in some countries - to legally confiscate private saving accounts. There will be another major crisis, and relatively soon. And more after that.

Yep bitcoin will be like greek mythology years from now.  I can tell my grand grand kids the legend of the bitcoin!
Sarcasm detector going nuts, but yes. Bitcoin has, at minimum, the potential to change the world. And if it does, and you were part of it? "Grandpa, did you really hodl through the year long bear market of 2014?".


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Newbie1022 on September 19, 2014, 08:07:21 PM
Storing $1 Million in your head while walking across a border is worth it for BTC to exist.

True, but the general public doesn't have 1m, nor need to take more than $9000 over boarders... but people have been treating bitcoin differently and way over valuing it, like the housing market of early 2000s.  lol @ going all in on mining gear and paper wallets.

And also, this luxury won't be happening for long, the whole anonymity thing.  I hope what seems like the inevitable won't be happening.
Stricter currency controls are likely in the near future. Legislation is being put into place - and is already in place in some countries - to legally confiscate private saving accounts. There will be another major crisis, and relatively soon. And more after that.

Yep bitcoin will be like greek mythology years from now.  I can tell my grand grand kids the legend of the bitcoin!
Sarcasm detector going nuts, but yes. Bitcoin has, at minimum, the potential to change the world. And if it does, and you were part of it? "Grandpa, did you really hodl through the year long bear market of 2014?".

There are medicines to help with delusions. No kid will say that ever. That doesn't even mean that the price won't go up or all will turn out well... but that s--- is delusional, bro.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Wandererfromthenorth on September 19, 2014, 08:07:52 PM
I tend to agree that there will be more downside, but I also want to point out a fact about BTC or investments in general.


When price goes up, it is easy to see BTC as a revolutionary technology that could change the world and that has incredible advantages over other means of payment, but when the markets are really bearish and price is falling BTC starts to appear redundant, not particularly useful, everybody starts to talk about its flaws and various other issues related, even though nothing particularly changed fundamentals wise between the two scenarios (only more good news).
It's a cognitive bias, even if valid points can be made in the two situations.

I think the reason for this constant downtrend is simply too much supply (3k BTC created a day if I'm not mistaken) for the current demand.
BTC has probably been overpumped, overhyped, overbought (but especially the last bubble) and demand simply is not there.
It needed a "price reset" and maybe this "price reset" isn't over yet.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 19, 2014, 08:13:22 PM
I tend to agree that there will be more downside, but I also want to point out a fact about BTC or investments in general.


When price goes up, it is easy to see BTC as a revolutionary technology that could change the world and that has incredible advantages over other means of payment, but when the markets are really bearish and price is falling BTC starts to appear redundant, not particularly useful, everybody starts to talk about its flaws and various other issues related, even though nothing particularly changed fundamentals wise between the two scenarios (only more good news).
It's a cognitive bias, even if valid points can be made in the two situations.


I think the reason for this constant downtrend is simply too much supply (3k BTC created a day if I'm not mistaken) for the current demand.
BTC has probably been overpumped, overhyped, overbought (but especially the last bubble) and demand simply is not there.
It needed a "price reset" and maybe this "price reset" it isn't over yet.

+1



Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: yokosan on September 19, 2014, 08:36:37 PM
OP is pathetic.

He was here in 2011. He missed the opportunity. And now he is bitter and spreads FUD because he wants the price to crash so he can buy in again.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: hf100 on September 19, 2014, 10:07:35 PM


Just to clarify -- the OP said $200s. And I also said $200s. (Not $200)

No, the OP said sub 300s and 200s. In my book that means below 300 and below 200, but maybe others read it as low 300s and 200s. Perhaps the OP could clarify if he means below 200, or low 200s.


Through tonight to sunday, there won't be much price change... will float around 380-410... but come monday or tuesday, a sell off of monumental magnitudes will ensue.  

the drop to the sub 300s and 200s might happen sooner than i had thought.




Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 19, 2014, 10:08:55 PM
OP is pathetic.

He was here in 2011. He missed the opportunity. And now he is bitter and spreads FUD because he wants the price to crash so he can buy in again.

how do you know i "missed the opportunity".  LOL at this post.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: adamstgBit on September 19, 2014, 10:12:01 PM
Bitcoin certainly HAD potential last year this time.  But as it was revealed to the masses, people aren't exactly thrilled by its protocol and such.  Sure the protocol "works".  I mean, if it doesn't even work, then it shouldn't exist in the first place.

The argument that it "works" doesn't mean it is revolutionary.  

money can now be 64 bits of data

wake up buddy.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Argwai96 on September 19, 2014, 11:04:04 PM


Just to clarify -- the OP said $200s. And I also said $200s. (Not $200)

No, the OP said sub 300s and 200s. In my book that means below 300 and below 200, but maybe others read it as low 300s and 200s. Perhaps the OP could clarify if he means below 200, or low 200s.


Through tonight to sunday, there won't be much price change... will float around 380-410... but come monday or tuesday, a sell off of monumental magnitudes will ensue.  

the drop to the sub 300s and 200s might happen sooner than i had thought.

Ah, you're right, that does make more sense. I read it as $200s, but since sub-$300 is by definition $200s already.... I suppose he meant sub-$200.... anyway, I think we should have a strong corrective rally (if not reversal) off the $230-340 range (a big range, I know) before we could head back to $100s.

Not that we can't get there on BTCE, but that's a different story.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: BCEmporium on September 19, 2014, 11:23:05 PM
So, you are finally buying in?
How much did you paid those guys like fallling, sevv something and so on? I want to hire them to keep the downtrend and make sure you lose money.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 20, 2014, 12:28:50 AM
no, this one is going str8888888888888888888888 down.  DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN!  no dead cat bounces in a whiile.... it is goind DOWNNNN .  i'm going to drink to this.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: BCEmporium on September 20, 2014, 12:31:37 AM
If you happen to have such information, you would open a short order and keep it to yourself.
I'm way too old to see a Chinese playing Mother Teresa and bite it.

Now, talking straight, to have here 2 or 3 scarecrows, how many guys you have in your propaganda task force? The "Chinese Students" group?


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 20, 2014, 12:37:15 AM
If you happen to have such information, you would open a short order and keep it to yourself.
I'm way too old to see a Chinese playing Mother Teresa and bite it.

Now, talking straight, to have here 2 or 3 scarecrows, how many guys you have in your propaganda task force? The "Chinese Students" group?

LMFAO.  are you serious?

A) I'm american

B) what's wrong with a Chinese being like mother teresa?

C) propaganda task force on a small shitty forum? ROFL


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Argwai96 on September 20, 2014, 12:48:41 AM
If you happen to have such information, you would open a short order and keep it to yourself.
I'm way too old to see a Chinese playing Mother Teresa and bite it.

Now, talking straight, to have here 2 or 3 scarecrows, how many guys you have in your propaganda task force? The "Chinese Students" group?

No need to bring ethnicity into it. There is far too much of that on this forum as it is. If you wanna call out a troll, then call him out for being a troll.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Eastwind on September 20, 2014, 11:17:47 AM
I tend to agree that there will be more downside, but I also want to point out a fact about BTC or investments in general.

When price goes up, it is easy to see BTC as a revolutionary technology that could change the world and that has incredible advantages over other means of payment, but when the markets are really bearish and price is falling BTC starts to appear redundant, not particularly useful, everybody starts to talk about its flaws and various other issues related, even though nothing particularly changed fundamentals wise between the two scenarios (only more good news).
It's a cognitive bias, even if valid points can be made in the two situations.


I think the reason for this constant downtrend is simply too much supply (3k BTC created a day if I'm not mistaken) for the current demand.
BTC has probably been overpumped, overhyped, overbought (but especially the last bubble) and demand simply is not there.
It needed a "price reset" and maybe this "price reset" it isn't over yet.

Agreed. but 3600 BTC are created every day (144*24).


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: kresu on September 20, 2014, 04:45:39 PM
no, this one is going str8888888888888888888888 down.  DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN!  no dead cat bounces in a whiile.... it is goind DOWNNNN .  i'm going to drink to this.
You already have been proven wrong.

Failed prediction.

Move on and join the buying frenzy.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Xiaoxiao on September 21, 2014, 06:19:11 AM
no, this one is going str8888888888888888888888 down.  DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN!  no dead cat bounces in a whiile.... it is goind DOWNNNN .  i'm going to drink to this.
You already have been proven wrong.

Failed prediction.

Move on and join the buying frenzy.

Lol I was off by a few dollars?  all 3 big exchanges are sub 400 right now.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Newbie1022 on September 21, 2014, 08:23:24 AM
no, this one is going str8888888888888888888888 down.  DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN!  no dead cat bounces in a whiile.... it is goind DOWNNNN .  i'm going to drink to this.
You already have been proven wrong.

Failed prediction.

Move on and join the buying frenzy.

Everybody is giving Xiaoxiao a lot of grief for his TA sloppiness and his bearish demeanor... but the guy tends to be right on the big trends every single time. So, is it pretty or precise? Maybe not. But again, the guy has been right every time. If I had followed his advice about a month and a half ago to short at the top of the bubble then I'd be sitting pretty right now.

Anyhow, until he actually is wrong, save the criticisms.


Title: Re: emergency forecast alert
Post by: Argwai96 on September 21, 2014, 08:27:20 AM
It's very hard to get all the details right. If you can get the major swings right, that's all that matters. Well, if you are a trader, anyway. It seems that the advice you would receive here the most as an investor would be to baghold no matter what.