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I run mine shorted out with a twisty tie with either end stripped off, hasn't been a problem.

Over a week.  I also did the same things with my S3's before I sold them.  Had 4 of them running on a pair of 860 watt Corsairs the same way for a few weeks, no problems.

I think the unsafe part if more if you accidentally  use wrong spots.   A paperclip is very common on for using PSU's without a switch.  I personally tape mine with electrical tape to keep it in, makes me feel a little safer.  It is a tricked that has been used a long time and can be done safely if done right.

i use the below, find one in the right size, it fits nice and snug, and has a nice insulated bit to boot!:

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/attachments/remotes-cables-accessories-tweaks/12699d1235502403-comprehensive-guide-splicing-speaker-wire-crimp-terminal-4.jpg

iv used paper clips and od bits of wire for years. teres such a small current going through it it really dosnt matter what you use aslong as it can be kept securely in place

Yep if you ever look at a motherboard is it very very small gauge wire sticking up to connect power switch to it even.  As long as you get right holes its low current and many things work in its spot.

Only thing i would do with those is cover up solder on opposite side with electrical tape if near metal.

no problem with the "paper clip" jumper  ;)

iv gone through 4 1000w PSUs and 2 main breakers on the Fuse box (who knew 4 HD4870 used so much power) did take over a year of maxing it all out for it to crap out.

anyway back to paperclips if your that worried then get a little bit of wire strip off both end and keep a bit of rubber in the middle. put the wire in the right slots and tape the entire 24pins up with electrical tape XD

i'm using paper clips since 1 year (with TT PSUs of 850w), without problem.
Just, don't conect the wrong pins.

http://marcomiltenburg.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ATX-Power-Supply-Connector.jpg
http://www.studynotes.net/images/PS-TROUBLE.gif

cheers

Me too, i'm using paper clips without problem, 6 months with ants s1.

all it is, is a signal wire

the danger is small if you find correct holes and keep it from shorting.


but frankly  just buy this


http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUMP-START-PSU-EPS-ATX-24-PIN-24p-POWER-SUPPLY-JUMPER-ON-OFF-switch-cable-50cm-/141416477255?pt=US_Power_Cables_Connectors&hash=item20ed143247


or one of these

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUMP-START-ON-OFF-ATX-20-PIN-POWER-SUPPLY-WITHOUT-A-MOTHERBOARD-MADE-IN-USA-/261256302157?pt=US_Power_Cables_Connectors&hash=item3cd416ce4d


having the switch means something on a lot of psu's  turning it off via the switch in the device above is better then turning it off via the switch on the back of the psu.

Assuming you are able to do the trick i would use electrical tape to keep it in place.  If done correctly it is something many do and it works fine.  Just have to get the right pins. 

Well, I guess they only need to establish an electric conductivity and support a couple of tiny mA, right? I don't see why a paper clip shouldn't do the trick or even damage your PSU! Then again, be warned, I'm no electrician or anything!

Yes it is very small thats why a paperclip is commonly used.  If put in wrong spot is the thing you have to make sure not to do.

Hey, is it OK if i use a paperclip but put it in the wrong spot?

I have a PSU shorted with a paper clip that has worked for years. Not for mining but for my electroplating rig. It does not seem to have damaged the clip or the power supply.

No, if you use paperclip in wrong spots it could be bad.  You are dealing with electricity.

What if I want I don't want to put it in the right spot?

Then you could be dealing with more current.  Could possibly hurt yourself or psu.  The proper spots are important.

Uh... I think he's trying to be silly notlist3d.  :D

I have a feeling so to.  Just  incase now he can't say i didnt warn him :)

hi guys :D

what advice me , what choos paperchip if other some ?

Any paper clip that is metal will work.  just make sure to put it in right hole.  Also I like to electric tap it so it can not fall out.

If all this is do, don't will hot paperchip or cables or PSU or s3 ?

Paperclips work fine....had one on my KNC Jupiter 550gh for 14 months no issue....


did switch to this however they work well currently using 3 ...they look cool also (ebay link below)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ANTMINER-PSU-SWITCH-FOR-BITCOIN-MINERS-COMPUTER-WORKBENCHES-/291353649148?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43d607dffc

well worth the 4 bucks and shipping imho....look cool in the pics too boot....my setup below

https://i.imgur.com/AbceE4t.jpg

the rest of my setup is in the link below if anyone cares....

http://lostgonzo.imgur.com/

wish everything worked as well as a  paperclip or the above psu switch with mining...I'd be thrilled ......in reality not so much. :)

Why resigning mining your?

good is > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ANTMINER-PSU-SWITCH-FOR-BITCOIN-MINERS-COMPUTER-WORKBENCHES-/291353649148?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43d607dffc


but my PIN if is 20, what do i ?

If you mean from my link the KNC 550gh Jupiter underneath on the shelves..yeah that is 'retired' it made me 50 BTC a touch over that.......so it can have the greener
pastures of a 'paper weight' or holding the table down now....heh.....I'd maybe get $100 usd out of it ...so ...WTH....a 'memento'.....

Home mining is dead ....too bad with the setup I have now in the basement I would continue..but unless something breaks for a new home miner in bitcoin or srypt coin
 it is unlikely....bitcoin miners are likely too big and such for my 100 amp service and there are NO as far as I know ...data hall or home miner or any other versions of any kind ....for asic scrypt/pow coinminers anyway in the works for equipment......so unless something is designed and comes down the pike (prob take 6 months to have something like this hit the consumer of any kind) it has gone the way of home GPU miners in milk crates....so running the last of these  KNC no ROI  no REFUND Titan units to 'doorstop' status...

But again (back on topic) the switches are slick and cute and work well vs the paper clip (which always annoyed me ...back in the day.....they sent me a KNC 550gh Jupiter for $7,131.80 usd on Oct 18th 2013 and a xerox on how to use the paper clip to start the psu's ......I was stunned...

I plug'd it in turned away and cringed...was amazed it worked I expected it to 'fry' my Jupiter....never before heard of such a thing.....always bugged me
..this switch ...is A LOT slicker imho

so it goes....too bad but the price of miners vs electricity vs what the put out now....at 12c kwh I can't even justify one at 'some' loss of $$$ as a 'toy'...maybe
someday ..but it is looking more and more unlikely as time passes and difficulty goes up

well this link below in the description says 20/24 pin....so supposedly a way to do this  here is the link to the other auction with that info in description

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antminer-ATX-PSU-Switch-Power-PSU-without-a-Motherboard-20-4-Pin-Connector-/221681075535?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item339d38c54f


also found this on how to put a 20 pin into a 24 pin motherboard...anyway others on here should be able to help with this ...anybody?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antminer-ATX-PSU-Switch-Power-PSU-without-a-Motherboard-20-4-Pin-Connector-/221681075535?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item339d38c54f

anyway there is a way to get it to work ...If no answer is forthcoming.....you could try the switch the above way on an old unused PSU...see if it works?

anyway...anybody some feedback on above?

(been awhile I think that is how it works?)

Added:

I asked Dogie seems like the above is correct
he sent me a PM quoted below:


From: Doggie
   
Re: (No subject)
« Sent to: Searing on: April 04, 2015, 03:42:50 PM »
   
You guys answered it yourselves, 20 pin is fine and just looks like your picture.


end quote...so I guess we are correct on the above picture.....

yes, thanks . good thing.

this better > http://www.amazon.com/AntMiner-Supply-Jumper-Switch-Bitcoin/dp/B00OJNBWKG/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428131908&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=NEW+ANTMINER+PSU+SWITCH+FOR+BITCOIN+MINERS+%26+COMPUTER+WORKBENCHES

yeah they are all the same product the switch instead of the paper clip above I mean ...whatever gets you the best price and how to use it I guess...anyway
i'm a sucker for cute LCD lights and 'whirly' noises of the fans on doing this home mining...gonna miss it......I'd also get these for your miners mine are 220v versions
they have already saved my equip 2x..you can also see them on my imgur site with my Titan miners at http://lostgonzo.imgur.com/

http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-EURO-4-International-Protector/dp/B00006HZ4M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428133737&sr=8-1&keywords=tripp+lite+euro

comes with the cord from the surge protector to the miner unit with standard plug ..if at 220v you have to get the plug for your preferred 220v wall socket you need as an extra cord

these also come at 120v for those miners....that is the only other real thing that is very worthwhile..I know off topic from the switch but it really saved my
butt on a bad storm with big brown outs and surges......actually 2x they have saved my ass...anyway again switch is cool.......paper clip is fine also. :)

and i that will use paperchip , no problem ?

ever will buy , this > http://www.amazon.com/AntMiner-Supply-Jumper-Switch-Bitcoin/dp/B00OJNBWKG/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428131908&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=NEW+ANTMINER+PSU+SWITCH+FOR+BITCOIN+MINERS+%26+COMPUTER+WORKBENCHES

deleted my msg...not sure how it will work on a 20 pin ....someone has to know.....at worse get the switch and try it on a crappy PSU or go to a local computer shop
and see if they have an idea.....it is so obvious...i can't find an answer heh.....i used to know this but it has been years and what works on a mother board may not work
on the psu as a  switch

if i can FIND my crappy PSU around here i will try it ....but no idea where it is..even thou i have a spare switch since i retired the knc 550gh jupiter miner


that would be very bad....imho...just saying.......when in doubt on switches etc just use the paper clip method



http://lostgonzo.imgur.com/



I assume you mean the knc 550gh jupiter bitcoin miner on the bottom shelf it is retired...doubt home miners are gonna come back the knc titan scrypt miners above are the last i fear

In my opinion, it's better to use a small piece of isolated wire, better for your PSU and your safety.

i will use this tape for safety ?  >

http://www.ajaxco.com/images/product/6/0/Electro-Tape-60-Electrical-Tape-34x.jpg.ashx?width=200&height=200

If you put the paperclip in the right holes it should not get hot or carry much electricity.

The tape is really to keep the paperclip in place.  Yes electrical tape works perfect for that.

Where should will make this tape paperchip?

Tape it where paperclip is stable in the slots.  Chances are one going from top to bottom over it to hold it.  Then i like to go around it once holding it onto the plastic.

I just use electrical tape for it, and works very good.

This tape will make paperchip top arround ?

The main thing is making sure I'm calling it top but it might be considered top.   You will want to put a piece of tape on the very front of paperclip and take it where its stuck and cant move away from connecter and lose contact. 

Then Like I said I normally go around take holding it once making sure it's connected to plastic connector.

this correct ?  >

http://www.picz.ge/img/s4/1504/6/e/eac15dcee8cd.png

Yep you got it!  Exactly you will want to tape from front end with the circle were it's pulled against motherboard cord.   

You don't have to do a ton, if you don't move the psu much paperclip should not move around  much.

similar ? >

http://api.ning.com/files/jbaar29oQX4Upo4NPFOzCrw99JDttJpPfIQRK*JEq6YvpDPVnmqhOEx7mnaOqjn0oCK8dp-sPs9Keuj6JEMUsuoIwl8rnvFz/PSuwithPaperClip1.png

if this will make similar >
?


http://www.digital-coins.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/psu_paperclip_taped.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NB2F9LY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1   or  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K38IKRY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1



These are safer  if you don't mind spending that little bit more and there is no way i saw you can plug it in wrong unless you force plug it in. but using a paper clip is acceptable and ok . some of the high end PSU even come with a jumper and Corsair even tells you on there site how to test one and with a video some place,I can't find it atm .using a wire . just cover up that Bear clip or wire or you might short out the PSU moving it around or turn it off before you move it.


8) My Machine doesn?t start up when I hit the power button, is the PSU faulty?

Disconnect everything from your PSU except for one single fan that should be connected directly to one of the Molex connectors. Then, get a small piece of wire, paper clip, or suitable object and short the green pin and a black pin on the 24-pin connector on the power supply. The voltage present is a very low signaling voltage so no worries of being shocked. Your PSUs fan should spin along with the fan you have connected to it. If this is the case, your PSU may not be receiving the power on signal from your motherboard and you should consider other causes of the problem you?re having.

I had quite a few antminers running with no issue at all with the PSU's shorted with a paper clip.   I ran them 6+ months.

Yes it is very little electricity being used when doing it.  I have done it many times without issue.   In this case I suggest OP  get a switch.

Just with questions still being asked in other threads about it I think a switch or two for him is a good investment.

Have had my PSU's paper clipped and taped for the last year with no problems

Normally I would agree but OP has 2 threads and 6 pages currently about paperclip's on motherboard.

I think some things have been lost in translation and OP is better of with a switch to be safe.

Sorry about that I didn't see that.  I assumed ToQ was OP with amount of questions.  But it appears I was wrong.  Yea you will be fine with paperclip :).

ToQ I still highly suggest a switch for as it seems a lot is lost in translation.  And it's nothing against him I just think it's safer option for him.

i don't switch.

i want will use similar paperclip or itself paperclip

your will see this photo .
i think that this paperclip is protected .

it has small color shield.

http://www.picz.ge/img/s2/1504/9/0/01aa456591c8.jpg

http://www.picz.ge/img/s4/1504/9/2/234e3109a44f.jpg

http://www.picz.ge/img/s2/1504/9/e/e0e86f7e1ca6.jpg

http://www.picz.ge/img/s2/1504/9/2/2401452895d4.jpg

http://www.picz.ge/img/s4/1504/9/a/a4a1ab257530.jpg

With these you will have to make sure to get the plastic off so it can make contact on the ends.  If you leave the paperclip like that it will not be able to make a connection.

Personally I strip the plastic off and use electrical tape to keep where paperclip does not get loose.

i don;t undestood. :(
it plastic what i see you , it plastic will not be able to make a connection ?

this plastic is not good idea ?

It's a VERY small amount of electricity used.  If you stick a paperclip with plastic coating and coating is touching metal in motherboard clip, it will not make a connection.  It has to be stripped of coating at least on ends to get connection in the two holes.

Have you though about just using a switch at this point?  It is not meant to be mean It's just you find questions after questions and seem still worried. 

i will use usual paperclip without plastic coating.

That is a bettter idea.  You know your getting contact with it  if someone is very specific they can cut one out with plastic on, but it will make the job much harder then it has to be.

Paperclip trick, and electrical tape holding it in place has always worked for me.

i will make paperclip electro tape.


you can choos me s3 for PSU ?

how many AMP should +12V ?

It's going to be watt's not amps when shopping for PSU's.   I really like RM1000's but that is overkill for 1 S3 as it could easily run 2.

If you go in hardware there is a S3 thread you can ask what others are using.  But my basic advice is get name brand don't go with a cheap PSU.

this PSU is very Expensive .

 i choos it psu for s3 > http://www.fsp-europe.com/professional/fsp700_50arn_88plus.php

Did you research it?  I have never hear of FSP myself.  But I also don't know European brands so it could be amazing for all I know.