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Verse 54:1-2 of the Qur'an reads:

    اقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَرُ وَإِن يَرَوْا آيَةً يُعْرِضُوا وَيَقُولُوا سِحْرٌ مُّسْتَمِرٌّ
    The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder.

Really?

REALLY?

No, some 7th century dude didn't split the Moon.  It's there just like it was always.

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The following is cited as a "Miracle."

http://discoveringislam.org/mohammad_miracles.htm

 Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 777:

Narrated by Al-Bara:

We were one-thousand-and-four-hundred (1400) persons on the day of Al-Hudaibiya (Treaty). (At) Al-Hudaibiya, (there) was a well. We drew out its water, not leaving even a single drop. The Prophet sat at the edge of the well and asked for some water, with which he rinsed his mouth. Then he threw it out into the well. We stayed for a short while. Then, we drew water from the well and quenched our thirst.  Even our riding animals drank water to their satisfaction.

Really?

REALLY?

So, you pulled all the water out of the well and then water trickled back in from the surrounding earth?  That's what wells DO.

Duhhh!

Some fool started 'christian bs' thread to bitch back at you. You should be pleased :)

Quite sad how trolls get their kicks isn't it? Only thing they can do in life is get their jollies from getting a rise out of others with their watery drivel that they spew all over the place. You need to grow up.

You think you make fun of Islam ? lol

I am not muslim but this is just completely unfair.

You can pull out religious text from any era and you will see things like this.

I just did that yesterday ;)

LOL check out this lippy muslim fuck. Bitch crawl back in your hole before we fuck you to pieces/

Im not a bitch, the bitch who think is Allah ( god ), Jesus and Holy Spirit all are gods
and then saying God is one.

How is one these are 3 ? you dickhead.

HAHA you bitch muslim.

Go learn some proper english, and learn to watch your mouth. Do your people still name their babies after biggest mass rapist of muslims in history (Ghangis KHAN)?

That's what I call a little bitch.

I know that my English is bad, but you know something ? My native is Arabic, but im the man with i like knowledge, I have learned English, French, Just to to know all others culture. not like you lazy American or whatever where you from you just eat, sleep and trolling, man go check your history.
who are you ? what you did in this world ? Weapons ? If we care about weapon man like you, you should be afraid very scared.

you mother fucker

LOLOL

Yo muslim fucker, get this through while calling yourself 'educated'.

Real intelligent people don't give a rat's ass about opinions of fools like you who think they got something to prove. I could meet up with you, fuck you and your whole family including your father to pieces in the streets for everyone to see, and it would just be another bitch muslim shit skin getting what they deserve for being mouthy, childish fuckers.

'Knowledge'? Boy, you must be confusing 'knowledge' for experience. You lippy muslims and your know it all attitude that gets smashed to pieces when other people can clearly see through your childish bull shit :D

Then you weak children go and cry about 'injustices' or 'racism'. HAHA

That's a major bitch act in my book. Get the message?

Little muslim bitch and her bitch antics. I will fuck your race to put you in your place - at the receiving end of the whole world's dicks as you have been for your whole history :D

Right.  But it's more than fair, because we are bombarded with this stuff about Christianity.


So let's do some Muslim nonsense.


Sahih Muslim Book 2, Number 0458:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: When anyone wipes himself with pebbles (after answering the call of nature) he must make use of an odd number and when any one of you performs ablution he must snuff in his nose water and then clean it.

Sahih Muslim Book 2, Number 0462:
Abu Huraira reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said. When any one of you awakes up from sleep and performs ablution, he must clean his nose three times, for the devil spends the night in the interior of his nose.

Camel urine is medicine Bukhari - Volume 7, Book 71, Number 590:

Black dogs are devils Bukhari - Book 004, Number 1032

They still keep black slave in arab world, and black bastard children in yemen and saudi arabian peninsula are treated like dirt.

It's time that blacks of africa took their rightful revenge against these shit skin arabs and fuck their women :D

Stop the ad hominem attacks and the trolling.

This thread is about BS codified in the tenets of Islam by modern standards.

Yes, that would be a good start for muslims :D

I'm talking to you.

I cry for Racist ? you know the big problem here you White American im sure you American think that anyone not white American is nothing and you are the better. man i do not feel racist, you hate Islam, I hate you.

That's all.

And other bullshit you have said i do not care really.
I live in country called Egypt we are hosting every year more than 5 million tourist, they are from USA, china, Russia, Germany, UK, France, Holland and the whole world, we are good people we never treated them as Muslim and not. just ask if you have a friend who visited Muslim country what he have found there and then BS about Isla,

I wont answer you anymore
bye

the Bible is BS, the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, the book of the dead, Jim Jones's speeches. Religion is BS. Why just pick one?  Why all the hate?

I know a lot of Muslims and they are the same as everyone.

P.S. I spend a lot of time in the Muslim world. I will be going back there soon and look forward to the most hospitable people I have met. No where in Africa, Europe, Central/South/ North America, or Aisa have people been as kind to strangers as in the middle east.

I apologize if by starting a thread that attracts such a troll it offends you.

HAHA complain about 'racist'

Then talk more shit about 'white americans' You think you will meet a white man when you see me? ;D

Why, you too pussy to talk shit about black men, or any other non-whites? Be assured, rest of the world will be laughing as white people fuck you to pieces. You got no balls, muslim :D

Bitch muslim and their bitch antics. Look at how this fucker tries to back off and trying to salvage a bit of dignity because she can't finish what she started/

That's pretty tough talk from a country that just got it's ass handed to it by Muslims in the last two wars. And now we are stumbling around in the dark fighting IS. I used to see guys talk like this in Iraq. They don't do that anymore. And the smart ones stopped talking shit at Hattin in 1187.

There's no actual evidence the troll, Honeypot, is from the USA.  His time zone does not indicate that.  He probably hasn't gotten out of his momma's basement long enough to even figure out what country he's in.

LOL

'ass handed to them'? Is that what you call attacking, taking over, and making them hide beneath burkas and dressing up as civilians while you direct their future and killing anything that tries to act criminal?

Is that what you call it when you drag out the loud mouth arab muslim bitch from his hiding hole so you can violate her holes and put them on trial for crimes they committed, and then having them justly executed for being a tin pot dictator?

Of course, it's not those fools who tried to surrender to news crews, abandoning their positions and running at the first sight of war, and slinking off to melt into and hide behind women and children so they can take potshots.

The amount of cognitive dissonance is quiet amusing :D

Ah. Well, he could find all sorts of reasons to criticize some of the crackpot interpretations of Islam. The crap IS is into is straight out of the dark ages. But lumping people together never ends with the truth. It would be like saying all Christians are.... or all fat people are...
The reality that I know you know is people are people. IMO, most people are kind and want peace for each other and themselves.
Anyway thanks Spendulus, I should have known better. Even his name is a clue.
Added to Ignore list.

*sigh*

Not this again

Bitcointalk ought to develop a subsection for religion, that way the forums will be cleaner...

...outside of that subsection

Run to the ignore list! Run crying to mods :D

'Troll' haha

All religions qualify as BS, it's just another word for mythology.

The holy trinity is a quite difficult subject, but roughly it's about the three aspects of the same god. On your hand there are four fingers but all of those are the same hand. Isn't it?

BTW Tengri, the Everlasting Blue Sky is the only God. Everything else is just politics and money making :).

That's great! Maybe if we get those two and the Jews comparing on how ridiculous their religions are, they will realize they are all but fools and cut the crap with their false morals and communications to mr. G (the big G man).

LOL...

Hey I just thought it'd be cool to list BS of (a religion different than Xtian)..

I have no need or interest in people insulting people back and forth.   Basically that's called "Being totally boring and idiotic on the WWW".

Is this how the forums are going to work from now on?

Christian BS
Muslim BS
Bahai BS
Buddhist BS
Mormon BS
Gnostic BS
Jewish BS
Rastafari BS
Sabian BS
Hindu BS
Jainist BS
Zoroastrian BS
Shinto BS
Pagan BS

One more thing, all your posts you insult Islam and Mulsims but i never did and i never insult your religion so yes this is the dfference between Muslims and not.

Where is that a plus side?! It means you can't argument about magical figures? Are afraid of your own shadow?

No that's mean I respect other's believes. Why you have Islam ? if you see any starnge with Islam just ask a Muslim and he will explain you, Media always talk shit about Islam and its wrong. you believe Media wrong talks.
Islam mean Peace they word Itself mean peace in Arabic, So why you believe that Islam instigate    
violence ? Islam do not say to kill um Muslim.
try to read this
الآية الكريمة {لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ}

That means in English " you have your believes and mine also which means you are free to choise between Islam and others. also im asking you to get me anything in holy Quran that instigate    
Mulsim to kill un muslims. There is not

Mate Islam like any other religion, very simple if you want to know what is Islam just read Quran and translate.
Islam comes from Quran not from Mulsims actions. hope you understand

Delusions aren't meant to be respected. No mater what religion they came from.
Islam means "peace by submission", and that's no peace at all, it's bullying - not "Salam".

About that quote, it's a nice example of how incoherent Islam is:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Against:

Quran (109:1-6) -
"Say: O disbelievers!
I worship not that which ye worship;
Nor worship ye that which I worship.
And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion."

So... where do we stand? It says two completely different things. And to make it worse, the Quran isn't write in a chronological order, so there's no way to tell which of these 2 verses is newer and therefore which of them prevail over the other.
The usual is to apply the "Muhammad's way", that is, make the rules as you go and use one or other as convenience.

This was an order for a an prophet for a specific period for some people who did not believe that profhet. That's all i can i understand from this what you said, if possible send me those letters in Arabic.
Quran is Arabic and maybe i can not understand you good. btw there is an forums for experience    
religious go and ask there because Im not good one really i wont be able to answer your all questions.

Edit: I translate and you mean different quotes, Like i said that first one was for an specific period and specific incident, not for all periods.

Don't open your fucking mouth muslim. That's the way you live :)

The old "Arabic trick"? Arabic is just a human language, there's nothing special to it and is far from untranslatable. Actually it didn't even exist by the time of Muhammad, was invented by the VIII Century some 100 years after Muhammad's death.

And no, it isn't "oh that was by the time of Muhammad" shit! It simply plays both sides at convenience, goes like this:

- Just found a group of heavily armed non-believers.
- Quick! Show them 109:1-6 to make them believe we are tolerant.

-= OR =-

- Just found this harmless non-believer.
- Quick! Cut his fingers and his neck!

That's a terrible way to live, and technically, he never opened his mouth. He was typing.

Reminder.  This thread is about Muslim BS, not the religion or the hate of it and such.  Take the hates somewhere else please.

MO' MUSLIM BS

-music is haram
-dating is haram
-having friends of opposite gender is haram
-waxing eyebrows is haram
-men must sit down on the toilet always
-must enter bathroom with left foot
-prayers are no good if a woman, dog or donkey pass by

The last one confuses me.  I've just never been much attracted to dogs or donkeys....

Hey CoinCollect, man.  You are in the culture what this about it do you find that are ridiculous?

I grew up Catholic, I can tell you lots of ridiculous things about that.

There are good and bad everywhere, yes, this is true. However, today, in the real world, radical Islam is the greatest threat to the peaceful civilization

FTFY

I want to tell you something, these all what illiberal in Islam saying, i never find such things in Quran, Im as a muslim guy listening to music, have a girl friend ( No sex before we get mirrage btw becuase this is in my Quran )
waxing eyebrows is haram yes, this is the only one i can see in Quran.

The problem in Media, its make Islam very very difficult, believe me its very simple, and if the Islam is that difficult why we all will defend it now ?

Im trying to answer your all questions to just show you that you do not know the real Islam.

Why on the earth waxing eyebrows is haram?
In and around Birmingham I've seen lots of pakistani women (those who wore only hijab but not that batman suit, so they were "visible" ) and many of them would definitely needed a good eyebrow waxing... maybe shaving... and a couple of corrective surgeries.

That batman suit you are talking about not also in holy Quran, only illiberal who thinking so.
About waxing eyebrows im sorry that was not in Quran but was in Sona.
Sona mean " Every act or words issued by the Prophet Muhammad "

Cool, well that's why I ask the question.  When you say "illiberal" we might use the word "conservative" or (for the Christian illiberal) "fundamentalist".  By "illiberal" you mean like Wahibbi? 

I'm aware of that the burka (batman suit for me ) originally was a cloth designed for desert environment and it' s not mandatory by default. This eyebrow thing however was new to me and I don't the reason behind it.
Once a turkish imam explained to me that most "commandments" in islam has some logical (like maintaining public health or social stability) reason behind it, but to be honest I can't imagine any reason what would make me forbid anything what makes my wife looking even prettier :).
(Not to mention that she would cut my throat if I would try to do so :D.)

Well as you said This burka it's not mandatory.
btw im a mulsim and my girl friend wear a jeans and t-shirt like any europe women she's also do not wear hijab.
you know something in Islam the men he no rights to force women to wear hijab. this is something between women and Allah ( god ) Unlike that media describes the many violations of women's rights in Muslim countries but this is not right.
and you guys must one day visit such countries to Judge yourself.

Yes you are right that's a wehibbi thoughts not all muslims wehibbi and in my opnions they know nothing about Islam.

Not too long ago you were against a man having a girlfriend, remember?

I'm not a Muslim, but my understanding of why eyebrow waxing and most make-up is considered haram is related to a distraction of God's beauty. This is not a belief shared by all Muslims. But for some, a painting of a beautiful woman is a vain celebration of flesh over God's beauty. Islamic art celebrates the beauty found in mathematical patterns. These patterns are seen as part of a universal truth created by God and are only discovered by people.

There are other passages in the Koran and other Islamic books concerning make-up that can be problematic for some Muslims. For example some believe that make-up is ok as long as water can pass through it. Henna, for example, is OK in this interpretation. I also see women in the region who get their nails done then chip off some of the nail polish so that water can get past it.   

I'm not going to ask my wife to shave her legs or armpits, because it's a distortion of God's beauty

I'm against having sex before marriage. that's what Islam saying.

Well now that's beginning to make sense.  You are a moderate Muslim. 

Likely you share my belief then that the enemy is those who follow teachings of Sayyid Qutb.

Islam is so simple believe me, i pray to god, I fast Ramadan, do not gamble, do not drink alcohol. and everything else i do like any other humens, Islam is a not a Withhold freedoms im feeling freedoma and everything :)))
sometimes i gamble, and sometimes i lie like any other people, those are easy mistakes and you can regret to god no probllem, but the big mistake that god can not forgive easy is ( 1- Killing people with no rights 2- Zina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina )

That's what im talking about Islam never order Muslims to kill non muslims and Quran strongly refused that.

That people you are saw in Media who cut people heads and saying Allah Akbar they are not a muslims maybe wegibbi or whatever in a muslim country like my country Egypt we are fighting them, they kill our soldiers and we are muslims so that's no Islam, god know who are those people and why they fuck the world.

Sayyid Qutb put to death for being a terrorist in Egypt 1966 so yes i agree with you in this point. :)

So, sex before marriage is a sin greater than raping girls?

Stop puting words in my mouth please, Raping girls is a crime in Quran and in our rules, In Muhammeds Sharea raping girls the most big crime with deserve death. We still have this in rules, Rapist sentenced to death in life and after death for sure he will be in hell.
So raping girls is a sin greater than Zina for sure.

http://blockchained.com/ lists this as one of the most active threads on the whole forum.

A bunch of idiots insulting each other about whose team has the best made up stories.

Jesus. Or Pikachu. Or whoever.

(How did I do?)

But you just said that the two greatest sins were Zina and Murder :S

Very interesting.  CoinCollect the issue was the "need for 4 male witnesses" to convict for rape, which makes it basically impossible to convict, even though guilt might be obvious.

Are you saying that Muslim does not need the 4 witnesses?  Or that in Egypt this is not Sharia but secular law?

Mate he misundertood it, the "need for 4 male witnesses" is only to prove Zina not rape, for Rape there is other methods to prove it bro, this Police work, etc...

But the 4 male witnesses in Sharia to prove Zina not rape or anything like this. I do not know where he get such infos.

I heard Pakistan outlawed DNA testing to prove rape

Im not Pakitanian so i do not know, but here in my country they allow DNA Test and we have Strict law when it comes about rapping.

CoinCollect, CoinCollect... how to explain this to you?... Under Sharia, not rational even if majority muslim countries - like Malaysia, Indonesia and so, you will need 4 male witnesses to prove rape. Otherwise the woman will be confessing to had extra-marital sex and things will turn ugly... to her.

The 4 witnesses thing came after Aisha, Muhammad's baby-bride, when she was about 13 got lost and was picked by a 15 yo boy and spent the night with him. 3 guys saw it and start talking about the horned prophet, so he came up with 4 witnesses... I wonder if 100 guys saw Aisha with the boy, maybe it would take 101 witnesses or so.
Just cross the Hadeeth with Quran... it turns so clear how much of "as we go" Islam was made of. And there's nothing "holy" to it, Allah knows nothing Muhammad himself didn't knew.
And what to say about the 4 wives limit, when Muhammad had 9 and Allah conveniently made an exception to him. So he kept his 9, the rest only 4...

Do you have a source for that story?

I never read anything like it when I took my religious studies class about two years ago

Damn it, what about Lowkey?

Al-Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 462:

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/059-sbt.php#005.059.462

Here you go... when you cross the Hadeeth with Quran there goes the "mysticism" down the drain. Allah just "reveals" what was convenient to old Mo.

Im sorry to say you are again wrong and get any proofs of these what you are talking about.

about the 4 witnesses thing its about Zina, to prove Zina and not rape you got me ?? not rape but Zina, is haveing sex with someone who's not your wife/housbad. Rape is rapping a girl for example.

About wifes Muhammed did not have 9 wifes in same time, This is not allowed for Muhammed and for all muslims, but you can deforce one women and get another, The max number you can have is 4 in same time.
if you want one more then you have to deforce other women, and there is a strict rules about that all you need to read more about this and read only trusted sources.

You guys just know bullshit, please do not say something you do not sure, Just search on internet how many one in Egypt got killed by law for rapping a girl.

But Zina to prove that someone did a Zina, you have to get 4 witnesses not 3 not 2, Zina in Arab countries is a big thing and sometimes ending with kill both of Man and women. Im not saying Mulsim countries im saying Arab countries because christian do the same its something related to tradition, Also In sharea the both of Zina got killed. So that's why to prove Zina you need 4 legit witnesses men. Its hard to prove Zina for sure because the consequence very very big as you can see.
Btw there is a difference if the Both of zina are married to other peoples they get killed if they arenot they get 100 lashes.

But for my info i think this only performs in Saudi and more liitle counties in Egypt i think no rules about Zina or im not sure to be honest.

So Again 4 witnesses thing is to prove Zina.

CoinCollect:

Muhammad had 12 wives in total, 9 of which still alive at his death and all of which married to him. Inform yourself better about your religion!

When it was "revealed" the maximum should be 4 wives, after a small riot amongst Mo's wives* (again, it goes around Mo's personal life) he was "exempt" from such rule.

About the 4 witnesses, you already have the Bukhari source and the reason why 4... if 4 came it would be 5, if 5, 6 and so on...

* When Mo married his 9th wife he spent too much time with her, leaving the other 8 upset.

Im muslim and i know Islam better than you.
Its up to you believe it or not

I can not explain in English why Muhammed got 9 wifes in same time so take this and try to translate.
Sorry you was right about he got 9 wifes but when i read i found a reason and a strong reason not because Muhammed love women, im sure he love women like any human but not about sex.

I hope you read this and know why.



1-الرسول - صلى الله عليه وسلم -منذ نشأته و حتى سن 25 كان أعزبا .2-الرسول - صلى الله عليه وسلم من سن 25 إلى 50 (وهي فورة الشباب ) متزوج سيدة أكبر منه بـ 15 سنة ومتزوجة من قبل برجلين ولها اولاد .3-الرسول - صلى الله عليه وسلم - من سن 50 إلى 52 سنة من غير زواج حزنا ووفاء لزوجته الأولى .4- الرسول - صلى الله عليه وسلم - من سن 52 إلى 60 تزوج عدة زوجات لأسباب سياسية ودينية واجتماعية سنأتي على تفصيلها فيما بعد . إذاً ...

 

وهل من المعقول للرجل المحب للزواج أن يتزوج في فورة شبابه من ثيب تزوجت مرتين من قبله ويمكث معها 25 سنة من غير أن يتزوج بغيرها .

 

ثم يمكث سنتين من غير زواج وفاء وتكريما لها !

 

ثم إنه عليه الصلاة والسلام عند زواجه بعد السيدة خديجة تزوج السيدة سودة وكان عمرها (80) سنة حيث كانت اول أرملة في الإسلام - واراد عليه الصلاة والسلام أن يكرمها ويكرم النساء اللواتي مثلها حيث ابتدا بنفسه ولم يأمر صحابته بزواجها , بل هو عليه الصلاة والسلام قام بتكريمها بنفسه ليكون هذا العمل الإنساني قدوة من بعده .

 

بعد ما قلناه نخلص إلى النتيجة التالية :

 

الرسول -صلى الله عليه وسلم - تزوج بطريقتين :1- محمد الرجل (تزوج بالسيدة خديجة ) .2- محمد الرسول (تزوج باقي نسوته ) .

 

- صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وصحبه دائما وأبدا إلى يوم الدين .

 

----------------------------------------------------------------ولنسأل السؤال التالي :

 

-هل الرسول محمد - صلى الله عليه وسلم - هو الوحيد الذي عدد أم أن هنالك انبياء عددوا أيضا ؟ الجواب نعم .

 

لقد عدد المرسلون والأنبياء - صلى الله علسه وسلم كسيدنا إبراهيم وسيدنا داود وسليمان - صلوات الله وسلامه عليهم أجمعين .

 

وهذا مكتوب في الكتب السماوية كلها ,فلماذا يهاجمنا بها الغرب , وهم معترفون أصلا ومكتوبة عندهم !

 

-----------------------------------------------------------------نأتي الى أن ذكر الدواعي السياسية والإجتماعية والدينية التي دعت الرسول لتعديد زوجاته :

 

أولا : توريث الإسلام والدعوة بدقة تفاصيلهما وخصوصياتهما (كالصلاة وحركاتها ) فلا بد من دخول ناس لبيت الرسول - صلى الله عليه وسلم- لنقل التفاصيل المطلوبة لتعليم الأمة .

 

فأراد الله - عزوجل - بزواج الرسول من السيدة عائشة حيث كانت صغيرة تتعلم منه الكثير بحكم سنها (والعلم في الصغر كالنقش على الحجر ) وعاشت بعده 42 سنة تنشر العلم .والحديث في علم السيدة عائشة يطول حيث أنها كانت أعلم الناس بالفرائض والنوافل .

 

 

وإجمالي عدد الأحاديث المروية عن زوجات الرسول - عليه الصلاة والسلام - 3000 حديث أما زواج السيدة عائشة وهي صغيرة فقد كان متعارف عند العرب ما أن تبلغ الفتاة بسرعة حتى يقومون بتزويجها بل عن الروم والفرس أيضاً .

 

ثانيا : تأصيل العلاقة بين الصحابة وتشبيكها مما يؤدي إلى تماسك الامة فها هو عليهالصلاة والسلام يتزوج بابنة أبي بكر رضى الله عنه . ويزوج ابنتيه لسيدنا عثمان رضى الله عنه .والبنت الثالثة لسيدنا علي رضى الله عنه .

 

ثالثا : الرحمة بالارامل حيث تزوج الرسول - صلى الله عليه وسلم - من الأرامل (السيدة سودة وأم سلمة وأم حبيبة ) .

 

رابعا: استكمال تشريع الإسلام حيث يقوم الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم بالفعل بنفسه ليكون قدوة واسوة للمسلمين من بعده .

 

سواء كان بتكريم الأرامل أو الرحمة بمن اسلم من غير المسلمين كزواجه بصفية بنت حيي بن أخطب رضي الله عنهما بعدما أسلم أبوها ورفعة لشأنه عند حاسديه من اليهود عليهم لعنة الله والملائكة والناس أجمعين .

 

 

خامسا : محبة الرسول - صلى الله عليه وسلم - لعقد الصلة والرابطة بين أقطار الأرض كلها حيث أراد بزواجه من السيدة ماريا المصرية أن يؤلف بلدا بأكمله .

 

والرسول عليه الصلاة والسلام تزوج السيدة جويرية حتى يسلم بنو المصطلق حيث كانوا أسرى بيد المسلمين بعد غزوة بني المصطلق . والقصة معروفة لديكم .

 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------بعد هذا العرض نأتي للخاتمة ...

 

فلماذا نترك كل خصوصيات الرسول - صلى الله عليه وسلم - فلا نطبقها ؟ ونأتي لهذه الخاصية ونطبقها ؟

 

وإن أحب أحد أن يعدد ويقتدي بالنبي - صلوات الله وسلامه عليه - فليكمل الإقتداء ولتكن دواعي زواجه كدواعي زواج النبي صلوات الله وسلامه عليه ليكتمل الاجر وينتفي الإثم الذي حذر منه الله عز وجل (ولن تستطيعوا أن تعدلوا بين النساء ولو حرصتم فلا تميلوا كل الميل فتذروها كالمعلقة وإن تصلحوا وتتقوا فإن الله كان غفورا رحيما ) .سورة النساء 129 .

 

That's history, not religion

And CoinCollect, are you serious? You posted in Arabic? HAHAHA

I don't care for his excuses. If he married 80 yo women or 15 or 9, because political arrangements or sex perversions.
Why do you Muslims care so much on justify Mo when he was clearly mocking you guys up - and still is?

And for the note, I know Islam way better than most Muslims... too bad you guys stick so much to Quran and/or to listen to the cherry-picked Imam quotes that you lose focus. A quick read of the Hadeeth, the "biographies" of Muhammad, can explain pretty much all surahs and where it came from. Usually and most, it was by convenience of Mo.

"Study one religion, and you'll be hooked for life. Study two religions, and you're done in an hour"

Its your opinion So you are free to say what you want. for me Islam the best.

Thanx alot

:D Excuse my English :D

It's NOT an opinion, it's a set of facts that points such way. I didn't made up any of the Islamic books.

You sound like those followers of that idiot who already predict the end of world 3 or 4 times... they stick to it for unknown reasons.

There is Quran i do not know what Islamic books you talking about.
Anyway i have done here i gave you my opinions. Thanx

It's your choice whether to believe it or not. Anyway here is some proof : Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_of_the_moon) | ISIJ (http://isij19.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/moon-was-splitted-into-two-nasa-reported-a-great-miracle-of-our-holy-prophet-mohammed-saww/)



I haven't heard this before. Anyway, I will get back to this after referring. It is not a good thing to oppose a religion even if it is Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc... If you just want to express your view, you can do in a good way(no offense). ::) I will be back ASAP! ;)

  ~~MZ~~

Well, now you know about the Hadeeth...


So stupidity must be left alone because they are too many of them? Let's get all back to VII Century to not offend the idiots?

Yeah because atheists are proven to have a much higher IQ   ::)

There are no studies about it. Yet, you can be theist either by knowing and unknowing your religion, most people falls under the second group. For the first group, if out of so much incongruence and incoherences present on all holy books you still believe it, then you've a logical handicap.
Taken IQ measures the logical and mathematical abilities, I believe that atheists have a higher IQ score than "knowing theists".

EDIT: Forgot to add honesty to equation. I believe many religious leaders are atheists, but dishonest enough to take advantage of it. Believers are easy to exploit, sheep waiting to be sheared. So some "claim to be believers" may actually be atheists inside.

I noticed this example of how complicated it really is in the middle east.
http://jordantimes.com/female-uae-pilot-leads-strikes-on-jihadists

That's nice to see one of the ME Islamic countries to change a bit. But nothing outstanding there, Dubai's sultan is known for being progressionist, recalling his wise words about oil "the stone age didn't end due to shortage of stones".
Would be more weird if it come from Saudi Arabia, where women can't even drive cars.

Have you read the Christian Bible or the Talmud?!?!?!?!?    It's all the same nonsense - nothing to do with "muslim" really.    What do you expect from people who believe in an invisible man in the sky anyway?   

But considering how many Muslims the (mostly) Christian West has slaughtered lately, picking on "muslims" just looks racist or something.   

Saudi Arabia beheaded 31 people last month (one for every day).   

But since they are an ally, and...well, oil - you'll never here about it on the news, and nobody in the West except maybe for activists gives a shit.

Exactly.  There have been studies about this kind of thing and that's exactly what comes back - the leaders of these nutjob religious zeolots are often atheists, who use other peoples beliefs to get what they want.   The father of Israel was an atheist for example but I can think of others as well.

Does not matter.  This thread is specifically about Muslim BS.  And no, if you'd bothered to read prior pages, you'd find it's not all the same nonsense.  It's different nonsense.

A sociopath or opportunist in the garb of a religious person is not an atheist, but, simply a sociopath or opportunist.

To be an atheist all it takes is that you don't believe in God or Gods... you can then be an opportunist and a sociopath or the most honest and virtuous of the persons.


I came to notice that Islam is a suicidal thing with a homicidal doctrine, while Christianity is a homicidal thing with a suicidal doctrine.
The "attack everybody and convert them by force" shit of Islamic doctrine makes them to look like violent retards stepping on everyone's toes. Which ends up with brutal counter-strikes and nobody giving a F**K for their fate.
The "give the other chick" thing of Christianity, makes them too slow to react, meaning the shit is already stinking to the stratosphere when they do and things turn really nasty to whoever was waiting for the next "other chick".

Here are the series of studies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence)

Sorry for my inaccuracy, I should had say "I'm not aware of studies on the subject".
And thank you for the info.

10 reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace.
 www.thereligionofpeace.com

 
 There is a lot of works where you can find verification for truth of the stories
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutub_al-Sittah

Not Only UAE, Also Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrainز
Iraq and Syria for sure

He has treated all his wives equally. But he loves A'isha and Khadeeja a little more because of some reason. Khadeeja as she was Prophet's first wife and A'sha because she was daughter of Prophet's best friend, she was young and beautiful and unlike others she was unmarried.

https://i.imgur.com/viaHcwd.jpg

I hope you read this :

Women are often brought into the picture when discussing Islam because their status—if not studied thoroughly and objectively—is severely misunderstood. Under those inaccurate assumptions, Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is often accused of practicing and encouraging unjust treatment of women, while the truth is actually the opposite—as I hope you will see after reading this answer.

I’m encouraged by your thoughtful, questioning nature to attempt to crystallize the true picture of this great man. Let’s take an objective peek into his life, to examine whether or not Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is that repelling womanizer. But first let’s go a little further back in history to look at the domestic lives of other prophets preceding Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and what their Scriptures tell us about their stance towards the polygamy issue:

Other Prophets Practiced Polygamy

 The fact that only Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is accused of polygamy is rather surprising, since this is a privilege enjoyed by prophets before him. Their wives and concubines came in great numbers, too! The Torah, the Bible, and the Quran tell of some of them; the rest are not mentioned so we don’t know, but among the ones who were polygamous we can count Prophets Ibrahim (Abraham), Ya`qub (Jacob), Dawud (David), and Sulayman (Solomon). The Scriptures talk of polygamy as a “favor” bestowed upon them from the Lord.

First Kings 11:1-3 indicates that King Solomon had 700 hundred wives and 300 hundred concubines! In sealing treaties in ancient days, it was customary for a lesser king to give his daughter in marriage to the greater king. Every time a new treaty was sealed, Solomon ended up with yet another wife. These wives were considered “tokens of friendship” and “sealed” the relationship between the two kings. (Reasoning from the Scriptures on 1 Kings)

Scripture indicates that David also acquired wives and concubines, David’s blessings, including his wives, were given to him as a result of God’s favor (2 Sam. 5:12-13; 12:8; D & C 132:39). Scriptural records say that the Lord did command some of his ancient saints to practice plural marriage. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—among others (D & C 132)—conformed to this ennobling and exalting principle; the whole history of ancient Israel was one in which plurality of wives was a divinely accepted and approved order of matrimony. Those who entered this order at the Lord’s command, and who kept the laws and conditions appertaining to it, have gained for themselves eternal exaltation in the highest heaven of the celestial world. ( Mormon Doctrine of Plural Marriage p. 578)

 

Islam Didn’t Invent Polygamy but Only Regulated It—in Favor of Women!

From the above accounts, we can clearly see that Prophets—including Muhammad—were allowed to be more polygamous than their followers, not just for carnal reasons, but for political and religious reasons pertaining to their call. Consequently, it is groundless to wonder why Muslims can’t marry 12 wives like their prophet, just as it is groundless to wonder why Jews and Christians can’t marry 700 like theirs! Islam didn’t invent polygamy; Islam only made polygamy more humane, instituting equal rights for all wives. And even so, Muslim women are not forced to accept this and may put a condition against it in their marriage contract.

 

The Quran Is the Only Holy Book That Actually Says “Marry Only One”

Images of “sheikhs with harems” are not consistent with Islam, as, in fact, the general rule in Islam is monogamy not polygamy. the Quran says what means:

{Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one.} (An-Nisaa’ 3:3)

Polygamy in Islam is not recommended; it is only permitted under certain guidelines. Permission to practice polygamy is not associated with mere satisfaction of passion. It is, rather, associated with compassion toward widows and orphans.

Before the Quran was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygamy, and many men had more than four wives. Islam put an upper limit of four wives, permitting a man to marry more than once, only on the condition that he deal justly with all of them. Yet the same verse points out:
{Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women} (Al-Nisaa’ 3:129)

Therefore polygamy is not a rule but an exception.

 

Why Is the Exception of Polygamy Allowed in Islam?

The exception is made for many reasons, but let’s note only one here, addressing your concern that Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) “had intercourse outside of wedlock.”

In Western society, it is common for a man to have mistresses or multiple extra-marital affairs. Women in this case are degraded to mere sex objects with absolutely no rights; they’re usually on the losing end of such liaisons. The same society, however, cannot accept a man having more than one wife so that women can retain their lawful rights and lead an honorable, dignified, and respectable life.

If every adult American man married only one woman, there would still be more than 25 million women in the United States who would not be able to get husbands, at least considering that—according to latest statistics—10 percent of the American population is gay! That’s close to 30 million people!

Thus the only option for a woman who cannot find a husband is either to marry a married man or to become “public property.” Islam gives women the honorable position by permitting the first option and disallowing the second. At least one of the reasons Islam has permitted limited polygamy is to protect the modesty of women!
 

Islam’s Straightforward Approach in Problem Solving

In Islam, problems are supposed to be faced and solved—not ignored! So, rather than requiring hypocritical compliance, Islam provides legitimate and clean solutions to the problems of individuals and societies. There is no doubt that the second wife legally married and treated kindly is better off than a mistress without any legal rights. Through practical example, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) as the guide of Muslims has set the applicable rules for this aspect of human relations in order not to leave anything for speculation.
 

 

Stages of the Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) Married Life

First, let’s remember that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) led a life supported only by the bare minimum of necessities. His wives were not idly wasting away the hours in a luxurious harem but led a life of labor and sacrifice, while he was mostly busy away from home overseeing his numerous duties as a Prophet. So, obviously, lust was not a factor, as he wasn’t even at home most of the time. Further, most of his marriages occurred at an age when lust is not a major factor in any man’s life:

1. He remained single until age 25.

2. From age 25 to 50 he was faithful to only one wife, Khadijah, who bore all his children except one. She was 15 years older than him, with children from two previous marriages. She was his greatest ally when he received the Call at age 40 until she died when he was 50 years old. He remained in love with her until he died and often talked of his life with her with great nostalgia.

3. Between ages 50 and 52 he remained unmarried and mourning his late beloved wife. He lived alone with his daughters.

4. Between ages 53 and 60 he married all his other wives for many noble reasons detailed below. It’s unimaginable for a man to suddenly turn lustful at this age, especially as he was constantly traveling, with bloodthirsty enemies on his heels.

5. At age 60, Allah revealed to him verse preventing him from marrying any more until he died, which was at age 63. The Quran says what means:

{It is not lawful for you (to marry other) women after this, nor to change them for other wives.} (Al-Ahzab 33:52)

 

Reasons for the Prophet’s Marriages

We can categorize all his marriages under two aspects of his personality:

- Muhammad the man who needed a loving wife, children, and a stable home, so he married Khadijah and remained with only her for 20 years until she died.

- Muhammad the Prophet who married the other wives for reasons pertaining to his duty to deliver the Message to the world. Those particular women were carefully selected, not just haphazardly “acquired” for carnal reasons, as suggested. Here are some of the reasons for which Muhammad married:

1. To pass on Islam to the next generations as a practical legacy
Prophet Muhammad is the only prophet without any privacy, and with a meticulously preserved tradition in speech and actions in all minute details of his public and private life. Preserved in the sharp minds of his wives and his Companions, those narrations comprise the “daily life manual” for Muslims to follow until the end of time. The fact that Islam was spread on the shoulders of women and preserved in their hearts is a great honor to the females of this Ummah. The books of authentic Hadith attribute more than 3,000 narrations and Prophetic traditions to his wives alone.

2. To cement the relations of the budding nation
In a tribal society, it was customary to seal treaties through marrying into tribes. Muhammad’s closest Companions later became the four caliphs who led Islam at the critical stage after his death. Two of them were the fathers of his wives `A’ishah (daughter of Abu Bakr) and Hafsa (daughter of `Umar); the other two married his daughters (`Uthman married Ruqayyah and Zaynab in succession, and `Ali married Fatimah).

3. To teach Muslims compassion with women
He taught them to be compassionate not just to the young and beautiful maidens, but more so to the weak and destitute widows, divorcees, orphans, and elderly women. Islam teaches that women are to be respected, protected, and cared for by their men folk. They’re not to be cast out to face a harsh life alone while able men around them just pity them and do nothing to help, or worse, use their weakness to take them as mistresses!

4. To offer a practical role model to Muslims until the end of time
Although many believing women often approached Muhammad offering him themselves in marriage, he politely turned down their offers. Most of his wives after the death of Khadijah were old, devoid of beauty, and previously married, except `A’ishah, who was the only young virgin. He married from other nations and religions; some were the daughters of his worst enemies, and his marriage to one woman won all her people into Islam. Regardless of his neutral feelings towards many of them, he was a model example of equal justice and kindness to them all, and he would never discriminate among them.

 

Who Were the Prophet’s Wives?

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) married 12 wives in his life. When he died he had 9 wives. They have a very special status in the hearts of Muslims as the “Mothers of the Believers,” as the Quran instructs, and they are the source of a great amount of wisdom which they learned while living close to such a great man. Perhaps you’d like to research a bit to find their beautiful stories, so here are their names: Khadijah bint Khuwaylid, Sawdah bint Zam’ah, `A’ishah bint Abi Bakr, Hafsah bint `Umar ibn Al-Khattab, Zaynab bint Khuzaymah, Umm Salama, Zaynab bint Jahsh, Juwayriah bint Al-Harith, Umm Habibah, Safiyah bint Huyay ibn Akhtab, Maymunah bint Al-Harith, Maria the Copt.

 

Can We Consider His Marriage to `A’ishah a Case of Child Molestation?

To answer your speculation, let’s continue our objective trip into the past. Obviously, when traveling back in time 1400 years to examine a lifestyle we never witnessed, it is unfair to apply our present day standards, so let’s listen to the experts. Authentic historical records prove that the social traditions of the time and place—regardless of religion—considered Arab females as women as soon as their menstrual cycles began. The custom was to give daughters in marriage at that age. This was practiced by all dwellers in Arabia before Islam: pagans, disbelievers, Jews, and others. It’s a fact that female menstruation in hot climates starts much earlier than in cold climates, so females in Arabia matured as early as 8 or 9; they also aged earlier than other women.

It’s a neglected fact that before she was married to Muhammad, `A’ishah had been engaged to a disbeliever, Jubair ibn Mus’ab ibn Ady. Her fiancé broke the engagement on the basis of religious difference. So her father, Abu Bakr, agreed to give her hand in marriage to the Prophet.

 

The Great Wisdom in Selecting `A’ishah in Particular as a Young Wife

`A’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) came from a house famous for learning and memorizing great quantities of knowledge; her father was a live encyclopedia of Arab tribal pedigrees and poetry. She inherited his ability, and in her young, intelligent, receptive mind, she preserved a precious portion of Islam she learned during seven years of marriage, for 47 years after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and she taught thousands of men worldwide their religion as she had learned it firsthand from the Prophet. To our present day, she is considered among the most prominent Islamic scholars, and she holds extremely high esteem in the hearts of all Muslims as such and as “the beloved of the Prophet,” who often mentioned her as the human he loved the most on the face of this earth. With her, he built a model Muslim home for Muslims to strive to imitate forever.

 

Was Maria the Copt a Slave, a Concubine, or a Wife of the Prophet?

Slavery already existed long before Islam. It was a system whereby a human captured in wars or kidnapped could be sold as a “possession.” That term applied to both sexes, not to women only. In some cultures slaves were considered subhuman and treated brutally. In Europe, for example, Romans threw Christian slaves to the lions while the public cheered; female slaves were thought to have no souls and were tortured mercilessly; slaves lived in degrading conditions; both sexes were forced to offer sexual favors to their masters; and as “possessions” they had no choice, no will, and no rights.

Islam recognized the human rights of slaves and encouraged Muslims to set slaves free. Islam prohibited adultery and homosexuality, and prevented forcing female slaves into sexual acts against their will. Islam encouraged educating them, setting them free, then legally marrying them and giving them their moral and financial rights. The reward for this—as mentioned in Prophetic Hadith—is eternal residence in Paradise.

Maria (may Allah be pleased with her) was not a concubine; she was a slave owned by Egypt’s Christian governor, who offered her and her sister Serine—among other presents—as a “gift of good will” to the Prophet in reply to his envoys inviting him to Islam. On her way from Egypt to Madinah, she was curious to learn about “her new master” and listened to his Companions talk about him. As a result, she became Muslim before meeting Muhammad. Scholars’ opinions vary of her status afterwards; here is the opinion I support:

One of the prominent Al-Azhar scholars, Sheikh Abdul Majid Subh, states:

“Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), instead of taking concubines, entered into lawful marriages based on reason and wisdom. Maria the Copt was given to him as a present, but rather than taking her as a concubine, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) married her, thus elevating her status by marriage.”

 

Women’s Rights in Islam Surpass Modern Systems

If women in the Muslim World today don’t have their rights, it is not because Islam didn’t give them rights. Alien traditions have overshadowed the teachings of Islam, either through ignorance or the impact of colonialism. Most of the so-called modern reforms in the status of women appeared after the West abandoned religion for secularism. Those in the West who claim to follow the Judeo-Christian tradition really follow the values of Western liberalism.

In England and America less than fifty years ago, a woman could not buy a house or car without the co-signature of a male “guardian”! In Contrast, Islamic Law guaranteed rights to women over 1400 years ago that were unheard of in the West until the 1900s.

Numerous verses of the Quran state that men and women are equal in the site of Allah; the only thing that distinguishes people in His site is their level of God-consciousness.

Islam teaches that a woman is a full person under the law, and is the spiritual equal of a male. Women have the right to own property, to operate a business, and to receive equal pay for equal work. Women are allowed total control of their wealth. They cannot be married against their will, and they are allowed to keep their own name when married. They have the right to inherit property and to have their marriage dissolved in the case of neglect or mistreatment. Islam does not consider woman an “evil temptress,” and thus does not blame woman for Original Sin (a doctrine that Islam rejects). Women in Islam participate in all forms of worship that men participate in.

Prophet Muhammad’s mission stopped many of the horrible practices against women that were present in the society of his time. He actually harnessed the unrestricted polygamy of the Arabs of the time, and put many laws in place to protect the well-being of women. In his Farewell Sermon just weeks before his death, he summarized the teachings of Islam to the believers in a final farewell. His last words were “Be kind to women!”



I am not telling that I am a scholar or someone like that, but I have researched Islam, Christianity and Hinduism and I still found various reasons to stick with Islam. ::) :)


An explanation would be helpful. :)

  ~~MZ~~

You may want to look this too : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_wives#Muhammad.27s_widows

  ~~MZ~~

Of course.  But looking at supposed religious leaders showing evidence of being opportunists and or sociopaths, then attributing with no evidence athiesm to thim, makes no sense.

Who is attributing what to what?!

@MZ

I don't even know where to start! You just pilles up a load of lies. I'll cut it short, because religion doesn't worth the time you spend with it:

Your board just adds 10 years to the age of Aisha at time of marriage. That alone already tells a LOT about the content. Like this void senseless crap:


What "horrible practices" are those? Because History doesn't have them. Just the muslims bold and empty claims

The rest doesn't deserve any reply because that's notoriously copy-paste from some around the web misinformative text about Islam. Taqqyia all the way.

This is why this thread is on "Muslim BS".

The Moon did not and could not have "Split."

I'm open to discussion about what possibly may have been meant, for example a big rock hitting the moon at that time.

But since the surface of the Moon holds a perfect geological record of the last billion years  you'll have to be pretty specific.

Another bit of Muslim BS is the "no pork."

I for one wouldn't like some old long bearded geezer telling me "No Bacon Allowed."

More religious freaks showing their misogyny.  Think if they were Muslim they would have had their asses kicked off the plane?  I do.

http://nypost.com/2014/09/26/ultra-orthodox-jews-delay-flight-refuse-to-sit-next-to-women/

Hundreds of Ultra-Orthodox Jewish men refused to sit next to women on an El Al jet from New York to Israel — and spent the 11-hour flight trying to bribe people to switch seats and loudly praying in the aisles when they refused.

“It was an 11-hour long nightmare,” one of the passengers told Israel’s ynet news Web site after the Wednesday morning flight landed.

The flight – on the eve of Rosh Hashanah – was not only delayed, but degenerated into chaos once in the air, passengers said.

“Although everyone had tickets with seat numbers that they purchased in advance, they asked us to trade seats with them, and even offered to pay money, since they cannot sit next to a woman. It was obvious that the plane won’t take off as long as they keep standing in the aisles,” said passenger Amit Ben-Natan, a passenger.

The flight crew told passengers they did not have to agree to a switch but the captain warned over the intercom that the flight would not take off with people standing in the aisles.

So the Haredi men took their seats – but then sprang to their feet once the flight was aloft.

“I ended up sitting next to a Haredi man who jumped out of his seat the moment we had finished taking off and proceeded to stand in the isle,” said Galit, another passenger.

The man was followed by dozens of others, who then proceeded to clog the aisles and begin loudly praying.

“I went to the bathroom and it was a mission impossible, the noise was endless,” Galit said.

El Al – which has a history of hiring women pilots – promised to investigate.

“The company will examine the complaints and if some passengers are found to have acted out of line the company will examine its future steps,” the airline said in a statement.

But steamed passengers were not mollified.

“This is completely inconsiderate of the non-Haredi travelers. I don’t know many airlines that would allow their passengers to act like that,” fumed Ben-Natan.

Haredim believers severely restrict the co-mingling of the sexes.

In the village of Kiryas Joel in upstate Orange County,for example, the entrance sign orders visitors to “maintain gender separation in all public areas,” and there are separate bus stops and even children’s playgrounds for males and females.

What an absurd! Anybody, muslim or not, white or black, would be kicked out of a plane with such behavior. Don't know why El-Al crew didn't followed the regulations and call the cops to escort them back to I century or so.

Well they didn't.  Maybe because Muslims not Jews are being seriously discriminated against in the USA.
Also, maybe cause they were "religious" they got away with more than you or I would?    God knows priests get away with a lot as well!

I doubt that is correct.  They were on an Israeli plane, go blame it on those guys not the US.

They were in New York, last I checked that's the USA not ISRAEL, regardless of the plane.

You mean they took off from NY.  The 11 hour nightmare was the flight, and that wasn't under US rules. 

You will find that in such cases the Captain actually is the captain, and makes all such decisions.

Regardless of where the aircraft is registered.

So although this is outrageous, and you and I are in total agreement there, I don't think it  supports your premise of discrimination of "Muslims not Jews in the USA".

Certain cultures are being discriminated for a reason. And there are good causes for doing so.

That's like you come to my house with a book saying you must kill me, start harassing everyone, killing my family and then I kick you out of my house and you start "buhuuu! I'm being discriminated!".

How about a nice and warm cup of STFU?  >:(

First of all - I'd be seriously pissed off if I was on such a flight, bunch of old bearded geezers hogging the aisle, blurting out garbage singsong crap, ruining the view of the pretty sights -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuhQ-VbjK3s

Second, given that it's the airline with the absolute least BS regarding security, and a 100% success record on security for more than 3 decades, I don't think you'll get anywhere trying to complain about their lack of political correctness.    The model for US airline security protocol should BE El Al, and the model for El Al is definitely not the US.  They have nothing to learn from our "Airport Security Drama Theater."  Nothing.

Zionists created the bubble  ;D

Yeah it seems as if the core belief system and text is very contradictory.  A muslim friend tried to convert me, so I entertained his desires and allowed him to read a story.  We're not friends anymore.

I have muslim friends. 

But I suspect that just as many of us who grew up in a Judeo Christian cultural milieu, they don't take it seriously at all.

I've a Muslim friend that let us know when it's Ramadan time, because it's when he stops to drink beer for a while...  ;D
There are many Muslims that are perfectly OK.

I don't know about that.  That means there is a period of time he stops buying the beer.

(Just kidding)

Hey wait, that makes him a sinner and a bad Muslim. lol

But a great pal... at least before he gets too drunk. lol

There are good and bad everywhere, yes, this is true. However, today, in the real world, radical Islam is the greatest threat to the peaceful civilization

It is true. But unfortunately the Westerners are not realizing this, and they are importing more and more Muslims. The oriental people (such as the Chinese, Japanese and the Koreans) are more intelligent in this regard.

The situation of migrants in Europe in General is very strange. It seems that with their help, someone wants to destroy Europe. There are countries of Asia, poor European countries and their inhabitants are not allowed in Europe, and Muslims go there in the millions. What is it?

Because the politicians want the Muslim immigrants to migrate to Europe. For example, Angela Merkel of Germany views them as a loyal voting bloc for her party. I don't think that she can expect the same kind of loyalty, if she permits the immigration of Ukrainians or Moldovans.

And as the migrants will vote for her? They don't get citizenship and are not entitled to vote. Moreover, they significantly reduced its rating. So it seems to me that she has other goals. As for the Ukrainians and Moldovans as cheap labor, they are much more acceptable than Muslims.

Actually it was not the period where she had to stop buying beer. But in Islam beer is prohibited. He may be a drinker, maybe he has not been able to quit his habit, but in the Islamic month of Ramadan is a holy month. The month of Ramadan is the month to gather worship. In the month of Ramadhan is a 1 year occasion, so he will stop drinking for a while because it may still be difficult to quit the habit. In the month of Ramadan worship rewards from Allah 2 times, but sin is also doubled if sin. In essence, the month of Ramadan is an important month for Muslims. And Ramadan is 2 weeks away from today.

if they close the door to their bedroom god wont see them drinking, yes i realise obviously it's bullshit but i was told this by a muslim

YES THAT'LL WORK!!!

http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/i-spent-30-minutes-talking-to-them-until-the-barman-told-me-they-were-umbrellas-women-in-burka.jpg

Muslims are quite good in interpreting the verses of the Koran for their own needs. For example, prostitution is illegal in Islam. So what they do? They marry the prostitute, have sex with her, and then divorce her after 1 or 2 hours.

Theoretically this is possible, but what have the Muslims? What prevents to do to the Christians? Every religion is just made-up frames in which she is trying to keep people to live at their expense. For this reason, all people are sinners. It is impossible to observe the rules which are not of the human essence.

These people find all sort of excuses. The biggest joke was a gay Muslim's excuse about sodomy. He was saying that having sex with boys are OK, as they don't have beard. Anyone without a beard is a female, and therefore having sex with them is not contradictory to Islam.

IIRC this is not "a joke," but accepted cultural practice in Afganistan and specifically promulgated by certain FATWAs.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/it-is-permissible-for-the-mujahid-to-enjoy-young-boys-in-the-absence-of-women

That's only one dimension of the weirdness in Islamic sexual practices, though.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004/12/strange-sex-stories-from-the-muslim-world

You could pull anything from any religious book without context and you could get shit like this, religious books dont make sense these things are either metaphorical or have a greater meaning such as passing a really important message the other post "christian bs" proves it

You would be surprised to know that this is not just limited to Afghanistan. This practice is very common in all the Islamic nations, even in the previously secular countries such as Albania and Bosnia.

No, you are wrong. It isn't stated metaphorically and it does not have a greater meaning. It's simply a statement that the guy split the Moon and then put it back together.

This is no different than numerous accounts of miracles in the New Testament regarding Jesus. They are exactly what they are, no more or less. They are not metaphorical and they do not have any greater meaning.

I consider all these feats of magic to be made up stories, you may take them differently.