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Title: How trust system works ?
Post by: cozk on October 05, 2014, 12:58:40 AM
Just noticed that some retard left me a negative feedback because i posted the publicly available information about a registered domain's owner.

How the hell some random can leave me such feedback over a post, not even a trade....


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: Vod on October 05, 2014, 01:05:24 AM
Just noticed that some retard left me a negative feedback because i posted the publicly available information about a registered domain's owner.

How the hell some random can leave me such feedback over a post, not even a trade....

Trust is unmoderated.

It would be best to discuss it with the person who left you negative trust.  However, I see you already left them negative trust, so it might be difficult to convince them to remove it.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: cozk on October 05, 2014, 01:10:58 AM
Ya did that, its fixed now.

Still ugly that anyone can leave you neg feedback for nothing.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: Vod on October 05, 2014, 01:14:40 AM
Ya did that, its fixed now.

Still ugly that anyone can leave you neg feedback for nothing.

LOL.  Take a look at my untrusted feedback.    :P


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: cozk on October 05, 2014, 01:16:40 AM
holy crap you are one of them LOL


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: alistar on October 05, 2014, 02:25:07 AM
feedback works based on a trusted user, everything else doesnt mean anything.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: rivoke on October 05, 2014, 09:44:12 AM
It doesnt appear in your profile as -1 unless its a trusted person that leaves you bad feedback


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: DeboraMeeks on October 05, 2014, 11:15:56 AM
If you want to learn more, visit the meta sub forum. You can either move the thread there (link at bottom left) or create/reply to a thread.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: Dare on October 05, 2014, 10:03:59 PM
You may also want to take a look at this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0), which describes how the trust system works and what each of the numbers means.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: BunsenBurner on October 06, 2014, 06:16:30 PM
You may also want to take a look at this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0), which describes how the trust system works and what each of the numbers means.

And you may read this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337207.0) as well, if you want to know how exactly is the trust score calculated.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: cozk on October 06, 2014, 07:39:12 PM
Thanks to all.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: Mirdude on October 06, 2014, 10:59:09 PM
Trust doesn't really mean anything to be honest with you.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: BunsenBurner on October 06, 2014, 11:09:53 PM
Trust doesn't really mean anything to be honest with you.

Hmm it is sort of weird to see such comment coming from a person who received a negative trust for defaulting on a 0.01 btc loan...


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: Snorek on October 07, 2014, 12:48:51 AM
Well, trust mean everything. People won't trust you if you have red trust, that is for sure. And trust system can be abused. I have seen it before, if you are scammer you can give negative trust to somebody who marked you as well...


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: h4xx0r on October 07, 2014, 12:24:44 PM
Ya did that, its fixed now.

Still ugly that anyone can leave you neg feedback for nothing.

LOL.  Take a look at my untrusted feedback.    :P

I find it alarming how many times you have been accused of pedophilia. what's the story there? are they attempting to blackmail you to remove negative trust?


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: hilariousandco on October 07, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
Probably just trying to attack and slander him in the worst way they can by tying his name / forum handle to paedophilia.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: fsb4000 on October 07, 2014, 01:48:08 PM
bitcointalk trust system doesn't work. Just do not worry about it. Smart people
will simply use escrow or find other ways to identify you before trust you. Only fools trust just because "the green"  ;)


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: h4xx0r on October 07, 2014, 02:57:26 PM
Just noticed that some retard left me a negative feedback because i posted the publicly available information about a registered domain's owner.

How the hell some random can leave me such feedback over a post, not even a trade....

someone left me a negative feedback for requesting a positive trust in a trade. people on here are unreal.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: hilariousandco on October 07, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
It wasn't just that though, was it?

I was thinking of finding reputable hero members and asking them to do trades with me. i would send first, proving i am trustworthy. Really i just want it for bragging rights. My friends at work will be jealous of my green trust rating

You were quite blatant in what you were attempting to do. As others have said previously, attempting to quickly gain or buy positive trust is something scammers do and the feedback you received is now there as a warning to others who may take any positive feedback you recieve as a mark of being trustworthy when you are clearly not.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: h4xx0r on October 07, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
It wasn't just that though, was it?

I was thinking of finding reputable hero members and asking them to do trades with me. i would send first, proving i am trustworthy. Really i just want it for bragging rights. My friends at work will be jealous of my green trust rating

You were quite blatant in what you were attempting to do. As others have said previously, attempting to quickly gain or buy positive trust is something scammers do and the feedback you received is now there as a warning to others who may take any positive feedback you recieve as a mark of being trustworthy when you are clearly not.
i have done nothing wrong, nor am i untrustworthy. i simply stated that i wanted to establish myself as trustworthy, so that automatically makes me a scammer, because i seek to have a positive trust on my profile? that doesn't' make any sense. you're just being another faggot ass internet bully, so fuck you.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: hilariousandco on October 07, 2014, 03:47:03 PM
It wasn't just that though, was it?

I was thinking of finding reputable hero members and asking them to do trades with me. i would send first, proving i am trustworthy. Really i just want it for bragging rights. My friends at work will be jealous of my green trust rating

You were quite blatant in what you were attempting to do. As others have said previously, attempting to quickly gain or buy positive trust is something scammers do and the feedback you received is now there as a warning to others who may take any positive feedback you recieve as a mark of being trustworthy when you are clearly not.
i have done nothing wrong, nor am i untrustworthy. i simply stated that i wanted to establish myself as trustworthy, so that automatically makes me a scammer, because i seek to have a positive trust on my profile? that doesn't' make any sense. you're just being another faggot ass internet bully, so fuck you.

What you did wrong was attempt to abuse the trust system and cheaply buy yourself some positive trust. How does that establish you as trustworthy? It doesn't. It makes you the exact opposite or at least arouses suspicion. You earn trust by being trustworthy, not trying to buy it. The feedback is completely valid because of this mindset. The fact that you think I'm bullying you for merely stating the truth and then call me a 'faggot ass' is laughable and yet again hypocritical.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: h4xx0r on October 07, 2014, 03:50:27 PM
It wasn't just that though, was it?

I was thinking of finding reputable hero members and asking them to do trades with me. i would send first, proving i am trustworthy. Really i just want it for bragging rights. My friends at work will be jealous of my green trust rating

You were quite blatant in what you were attempting to do. As others have said previously, attempting to quickly gain or buy positive trust is something scammers do and the feedback you received is now there as a warning to others who may take any positive feedback you recieve as a mark of being trustworthy when you are clearly not.
i have done nothing wrong, nor am i untrustworthy. i simply stated that i wanted to establish myself as trustworthy, so that automatically makes me a scammer, because i seek to have a positive trust on my profile? that doesn't' make any sense. you're just being another faggot ass internet bully, so fuck you.

What you did wrong was attempt to abuse the trust system and cheaply buy yourself some positive trust. How does that establish you as trustworthy? It doesn't. It makes you the exact opposite or at least arouses suspicion. You earn trust by being trustworthy, not trying to buy it. The feedback is completely valid because of this mindset. The fact that you think I'm bullying you for merely stating the truth and then call me a 'faggot ass' is laughable and yet again hypocritical.

you are wrong. You are assuming i'm up to no good without giving me a chance to state my case. it is easy to setup on your pedestal and declare everything a scam. Also, you do not know my mindset. you don't know why i want to have a positive trust, and you do not know what my intention is. You are just assuming based on a prior precedence, which is not fair to me. But i concede the point. please show me how i can correct this and establish my reputation in what you deem as being "the right way", since ive broken some infallible sacred law of bitcointalk by attempting to establish a reputation of a trustworthy bitcointalk user. my only intention here is to sell my coding services, but no one will trust someone with zero feedback.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: SecureExchange on October 07, 2014, 04:22:29 PM
Just noticed that some retard left me a negative feedback because i posted the publicly available information about a registered domain's owner.

How the hell some random can leave me such feedback over a post, not even a trade....

Well I cannot even see it.

you're using multiple accounts to post information ?


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: hilariousandco on October 07, 2014, 04:34:05 PM
you are wrong. You are assuming i'm up to no good without giving me a chance to state my case. it is easy to setup on your pedestal and declare everything a scam. Also, you do not know my mindset. you don't know why i want to have a positive trust, and you do not know what my intention is. You are just assuming based on a prior precedence, which is not fair to me. But i concede the point. please show me how i can correct this and establish my reputation in what you deem as being "the right way", since ive broken some infallible sacred law of bitcointalk by attempting to establish a reputation of a trustworthy bitcointalk user. my only intention here is to sell my coding services, but no one will trust someone with zero feedback.

I'm not wrong and I'm not assuming you're up to no good. You're probably not, but you are being really naive. I know your mindset because you have stated it several times - you wanted trust to appear trustworthy and that in itself makes any trust you may have recieved worthless. You wanted to buy trust thus making it untrustworthy and essentially fraudulent by your own admission. If you want to gain trust go about it the same way everyone else does: they build it over time via genuine trades, they don't just try quickly buy it for $5. Someone even with 100 positive feedbacks for a 100 $5 Paypal trades wouldn't exactly be 'trusted' either. All that proves is you can be trusted with $5, doesn't mean you want scam as soon as someone sends you $10.

Just noticed that some retard left me a negative feedback because i posted the publicly available information about a registered domain's owner.

How the hell some random can leave me such feedback over a post, not even a trade....


Well I cannot even see it.

you're using multiple accounts to post information ?

It's there if you go his profile.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: h4xx0r on October 07, 2014, 04:35:36 PM
you are wrong. You are assuming i'm up to no good without giving me a chance to state my case. it is easy to setup on your pedestal and declare everything a scam. Also, you do not know my mindset. you don't know why i want to have a positive trust, and you do not know what my intention is. You are just assuming based on a prior precedence, which is not fair to me. But i concede the point. please show me how i can correct this and establish my reputation in what you deem as being "the right way", since ive broken some infallible sacred law of bitcointalk by attempting to establish a reputation of a trustworthy bitcointalk user. my only intention here is to sell my coding services, but no one will trust someone with zero feedback.

I'm not wrong and I'm not assuming you're up to no good. You're probably not, but you are being really naive. I know your mindset because you have stated it several times - you wanted trust to appear trustworthy and that in itself makes any trust you may have recieved worthless. You wanted to buy trust thus making it untrustworthy and essentially fraudulent by your own admission. If you want to gain trust go about it the same way everyone else does: they build it over time via genuine trades, they don't just try quickly buy it for $5.

Just noticed that some retard left me a negative feedback because i posted the publicly available information about a registered domain's owner.

How the hell some random can leave me such feedback over a post, not even a trade....


Well I cannot even see it.

you're using multiple accounts to post information ?

It's there if you go his profile.
once again you are wrong. i sought to make a trade to prove myself trustworthy, not to buy trust. you are just twisting my words to fit your agenda.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: Bitcoins101 on October 07, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
you are wrong. You are assuming i'm up to no good without giving me a chance to state my case. it is easy to setup on your pedestal and declare everything a scam. Also, you do not know my mindset. you don't know why i want to have a positive trust, and you do not know what my intention is. You are just assuming based on a prior precedence, which is not fair to me. But i concede the point. please show me how i can correct this and establish my reputation in what you deem as being "the right way", since ive broken some infallible sacred law of bitcointalk by attempting to establish a reputation of a trustworthy bitcointalk user. my only intention here is to sell my coding services, but no one will trust someone with zero feedback.

I'm not wrong and I'm not assuming you're up to no good. You're probably not, but you are being really naive. I know your mindset because you have stated it several times - you wanted trust to appear trustworthy and that in itself makes any trust you may have recieved worthless. You wanted to buy trust thus making it untrustworthy and essentially fraudulent by your own admission. If you want to gain trust go about it the same way everyone else does: they build it over time via genuine trades, they don't just try quickly buy it for $5.

Just noticed that some retard left me a negative feedback because i posted the publicly available information about a registered domain's owner.

How the hell some random can leave me such feedback over a post, not even a trade....


Well I cannot even see it.

you're using multiple accounts to post information ?

It's there if you go his profile.
once again you are wrong. i sought to make a trade to prove myself trustworthy, not to buy trust. you are just twisting my words to fit your agenda.

Making a trade to prove yourself trustworthy is buying trust.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: hilariousandco on October 07, 2014, 04:44:01 PM
once again you are wrong. i sought to make a trade to prove myself trustworthy, not to buy trust. you are just twisting my words to fit your agenda.

Dude, seriously, how are you not getting this? I'm not twisting your words because you stated exactly why you wanted the feedback for several times. How the hell does making a $5 trade make you trustworthy? It doesn't. It means you traded $5. You specifically wanted to trade with trusted hero members and nobody else, thus you wanted 'green' reputable feedback for your five dollars aka you were trying to buy feedback and trust quickly and at minimal cost.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: h4xx0r on October 07, 2014, 04:48:40 PM
once again you are wrong. i sought to make a trade to prove myself trustworthy, not to buy trust. you are just twisting my words to fit your agenda.

Dude, seriously, how are you not getting this? I'm not twisting your words because you stated exactly why you wanted the feedback for several times. How the hell does making a $5 trade make you trustworthy? It doesn't. It means you traded $5. You specifically wanted to trade with trusted hero members and nobody else, thus you wanted 'green' reputable feedback for your five dollars aka you were trying to buy feedback and trust quickly and at minimal cost.

i wanted trusted hero members because they are the most reputable, and it limits my risk of being scammed. actually, i wanted the btc legitimately too, but for fucks sakes, whatever you say. i'm done arguing. you fucking win, ok?


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: hilariousandco on October 07, 2014, 05:05:04 PM
once again you are wrong. i sought to make a trade to prove myself trustworthy, not to buy trust. you are just twisting my words to fit your agenda.

Dude, seriously, how are you not getting this? I'm not twisting your words because you stated exactly why you wanted the feedback for several times. How the hell does making a $5 trade make you trustworthy? It doesn't. It means you traded $5. You specifically wanted to trade with trusted hero members and nobody else, thus you wanted 'green' reputable feedback for your five dollars aka you were trying to buy feedback and trust quickly and at minimal cost.

i wanted trusted hero members because they are the most reputable, and it limits my risk of being scammed. actually, i wanted the btc legitimately too, but for fucks sakes, whatever you say. i'm done arguing. you fucking win, ok?

But you're still not getting it. This isn't about winning an argument but making you see where you went wrong and why having feedback doesn't make you reputable or trustworthy. Doing deals with reputable members merely for their trust does not make you reputable or trustworthy, especially when this is all you wanted their feedback for. If you had've got a few green trust from Hero members would that then make you more reputable or trustworthy than me for example (who currently has zero 'green' feedback)? No. If I went and got 5 green trust feedbacks right now from five different members for buying $1 worth of PayPal would that make me very trustable? No. The argument and logic here is simple regardless of whether you are a genuine person or not, you just went about getting feedback the very wrong way and it backfired.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: h4xx0r on October 07, 2014, 05:12:42 PM
once again you are wrong. i sought to make a trade to prove myself trustworthy, not to buy trust. you are just twisting my words to fit your agenda.

Dude, seriously, how are you not getting this? I'm not twisting your words because you stated exactly why you wanted the feedback for several times. How the hell does making a $5 trade make you trustworthy? It doesn't. It means you traded $5. You specifically wanted to trade with trusted hero members and nobody else, thus you wanted 'green' reputable feedback for your five dollars aka you were trying to buy feedback and trust quickly and at minimal cost.

i wanted trusted hero members because they are the most reputable, and it limits my risk of being scammed. actually, i wanted the btc legitimately too, but for fucks sakes, whatever you say. i'm done arguing. you fucking win, ok?

But you're still not getting it. This isn't about winning an argument but making you see where you went wrong and why having feedback doesn't make you reputable or trustworthy. Doing deals with reputable members merely for their trust does not make you reputable or trustworthy, especially when this is all you wanted their feedback for. If you had've got a few green trust from Hero members would that then make you more reputable or trustworthy than me for example (who currently has zero 'green' feedback)? No. If I went and got 5 green trust feedbacks right now from five different members for buying $1 worth of PayPal would that make me very trustable? No. The argument and logic here is simple regardless of whether you are a genuine person or not, you just went about getting feedback the very wrong way and it backfired.

Yeah, the logic is simple and flawed. i did nothing wrong, and thats all there is to it. i stated my intentions transparently. Judas of Iscariot ass nigga


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: hilariousandco on October 07, 2014, 05:36:27 PM

Yeah, the logic is simple and flawed. i did nothing wrong, and thats all there is to it. i stated my intentions transparently. Judas of Iscariot ass nigga.

Lol. Where is my thirty pieces of silver? You doing nothing wrong is arguable. What you did wrong has been established: you tried to cheaply buy feedback to bolster your rep and some people see this behaviour as making you untrustworthy and warranting a warning via the feedback system. You must realise what you did wrong because it's in your own logic. You wanted that feedback to appear trustworthy, but any feedback you may have received this way wouldn't have made you trustworthy at all because of the very fact that you just bought it for $5 so people were warning others of that because they see it as unscrupulous or untrustworthy behaviour.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: h4xx0r on October 07, 2014, 05:47:50 PM

Yeah, the logic is simple and flawed. i did nothing wrong, and thats all there is to it. i stated my intentions transparently. Judas of Iscariot ass nigga.

Lol. Where is my thirty pieces of silver? You doing nothing wrong is arguable. What you did wrong has been established: you tried to cheaply buy feedback to bolster your rep and some people see this behaviour as making you untrustworthy and warranting a warning via the feedback system. You must realise what you did wrong because it's in your own logic. You wanted that feedback to appear trustworthy, but any feedback you may have received this way wouldn't have made you trustworthy at all because of the very fact that you just bought it for $5 so people were warning others of that because they see it as unscrupulous or untrustworthy behaviour.

I disagree.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: hilariousandco on October 07, 2014, 06:04:51 PM
You disagree with what exactly (not that it really matters at this point)?


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: h4xx0r on October 07, 2014, 06:08:01 PM
You disagree with what exactly (not that it really matters at this point)?

I don't think it was untrustworthy. not when i offered to wait months until the coin is sent. i fucked up, i know it. i just want to be trusted damn fuck leave me alone


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: hilariousandco on October 07, 2014, 06:23:05 PM
Attempting to gain trust quickly so you can appear trusted or trustworthy whether you want to admit it or not makes you untrustworthy. People aren't saying you attempted to gain the feedback for untrustworthy or scammy reasons but the way you went about it makes you seem untrustworthy and is the common behaviour a lot of scammers employ. If you want people to leave you alone I suggest you just drop it and the matter will soon be forgotten.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: Mikez on October 08, 2014, 01:56:42 PM
Does anyone know if the trust system will function in the same way in the new forum software?


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: hilariousandco on October 08, 2014, 02:01:03 PM
Does anyone know if the trust system will function in the same way in the new forum software?

All the current features of this forum are going to be carried over to the new one, so probably yes. I haven't read anything about a new or revised system.


Title: Re: How trust system works ?
Post by: h4xx0r on October 08, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
Does anyone know if the trust system will function in the same way in the new forum software?

All the current features of this forum are going to be carried over to the new one, so probably yes. I haven't read anything about a new or revised system.

I remember a discussion arising about it last july when i joined up here. I think one poster had requested a revision to the trust system. I'm pretty sure theymos shot it down, but can't remember. there's a thread where its discussed somewhere.