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Title: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 02:43:26 PM
Just now:

<evan82>  I found out what's going on, I'll have an update out in a few minutes

Edit:

<evan82>  props to whoever figured this out, pretty cool hack
<evan82>  I could use some help programming whoever you are :)
Not interested. I'm not so good at C++, really.
Btw, you should hire some real penetration tester, not me or what was the name of that guy?

Ok, could the person who found the bug post here, I promise no one's gonna hate on you. Would be interesting to hear how long it took to find it, and how did you approach it? And also, would you help testing DRK in the future? :)

About 6 hours to look through the code to get the main idea of darksend, 2 more hours (got lucky) to find this vulnerability and about 8 hours to code and deploy the exploit.
I will definitely run some more tests with darksend. Will I help or just going to abuse it? Dunno lol. It seems to be more vulnerabilities in darkcoin. Code looks terrible (nothing personal  :))

Proof of identity:
Code:
./darkcoind verifymessage XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ8W9Wh65Tq \
"ILLG8hT+bkKUDznBD8R+EGowIal/QFVhEJM2HvrAREeE+LXl++HqeI+Go9+976p7iZ7CTgybpTGIucb3ycMwwek=" \
"XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ @ bitcointalk.org, darkcoin thread. Signed with XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ8W9Wh65Tq"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg9121343#msg9121343


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 02:44:51 PM
This is also why you should be open sourced from the beginning

darkcoin is JUST open sourcing.  god only knows what else they're going to find.

xc doesn't really even deserve a mention.

anonymity should always be trusted to open sourced solutions


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: shojayxt on October 08, 2014, 04:43:20 PM
This is exactly what's going to happen when you have a centralized network of nodes and a bunch of convoluted spaghetti code keeping everything running.  The darkcoin masternode network is nothing but an overcomplicated clusterfuck of a mess.  darkcoin is already outdated.  Anonymity on the blockchain is the path forward.  Not a screwed up centralized masternode network which is nothing more than a way for the drk instaminers and other large holders to continue to generate income. 

It won't be long before another exploit is discovered in the darkcoin code.  It's not a matter of if but when.

darkcoins time has come and gone.  This pump and dump scam is running out of gas.

I thought that they paid for a code review?  It is now blatantly obvious that the purpose of the code review was nothing more than a way to try and hype the coin so that people could dump their coins while they claimed they were buying and were working feverishly to get others to buy while at the same time they were dumping what they could.

darkcoin isn't a coin.  darkcoin is a cult.  Just look through the darkcoin thread.  One guy even goes as far as to give the hacker kudos for exposing the bug that allowed him to hack the masternode network and get free drk. 

They don't have a big enough rug to sweep all this shit under.



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: shojayxt on October 08, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
Just now:

<evan82>  I found out what's going on, I'll have an update out in a few minutes

Edit:

<evan82>  props to whoever figured this out, pretty cool hack
<evan82>  I could use some help programming whoever you are :)
Not interested. I'm not so good at C++, really.
Btw, you should hire some real penetration tester, not me or what was the name of that guy?

Ok, could the person who found the bug post here, I promise no one's gonna hate on you. Would be interesting to hear how long it took to find it, and how did you approach it? And also, would you help testing DRK in the future? :)

About 6 hours to look through the code to get the main idea of darksend, 2 more hours (got lucky) to find this vulnerability and about 8 hours to code and deploy the exploit.
I will definitely run some more tests with darksend. Will I help or just going to abuse it? Dunno lol. It seems to be more vulnerabilities in darkcoin. Code looks terrible (nothing personal  :))

Proof of identity:
Code:
./darkcoind verifymessage XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ8W9Wh65Tq \
"ILLG8hT+bkKUDznBD8R+EGowIal/QFVhEJM2HvrAREeE+LXl++HqeI+Go9+976p7iZ7CTgybpTGIucb3ycMwwek=" \
"XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ @ bitcointalk.org, darkcoin thread. Signed with XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ8W9Wh65Tq"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg9121343#msg9121343

Spaghetti code


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: shojayxt on October 08, 2014, 04:52:00 PM
Its time for NEOS coin

I don't know much about NEOS but it's obvious that darkcoin is a failure and more and more people are realizing that everyday.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: shojayxt on October 08, 2014, 04:58:31 PM
lol they are all sucking the hackers dick on the thread lol, with Monero there is not even an exploit and we say fuck you to the "attacker" ;D

It's pathetic isn't it?  They are actually thanking the hacker for finding an exploit that took him two hours to find.  Some even gave him kudos and said he deserved the drk he hacked.  They are working overtime to sweep this under the rug and forget about it but the fact remains that an amateur coder found an exploit in darksend in 2 hours.

What I don't understand is what the code review they paid for accomplished other than a way to try and hype the price of drk.  It's obvious that things were missed in the code review.  I wonder what else is waiting to be exploited.



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
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It's pathetic isn't it?  They are actually thanking the hacker for finding an exploit that took him two hours to find.  Some even gave him kudos and said he deserved the drk he hacked.

no actually that is EXACTLY the attitude that should be had.

Code reviews are useless (except to pump the price).  I don't know why everybody doesn't get it - Microsoft has been hacked thousands of times with hundreds and hundreds of developers pouring over their code.  Whereas linux is much more secure because you have unlimited number of eyes on it via opensource.

Dark should have been opensourced from the beginning.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: nsimmons on October 08, 2014, 05:03:26 PM
lol they are all sucking the hackers dick on the thread lol, with Monero there is not even an exploit and we say fuck you to the "attacker" ;D

How did that bogus block injection hack work out a month ago? Don't lie about things. Transaction fee is still 0.1xmr.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: shojayxt on October 08, 2014, 05:10:17 PM
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It's pathetic isn't it?  They are actually thanking the hacker for finding an exploit that took him two hours to find.  Some even gave him kudos and said he deserved the drk he hacked.

no actually that is EXACTLY the attitude that should be had.

Code reviews are useless (except to pump the price).  I don't know why everybody doesn't get it - Microsoft has been hacked thousands of times with hundreds and hundreds of developers pouring over their code.  Whereas linux is much more secure because you have unlimited number of eyes on it via opensource.

Dark should have been opensourced from the beginning.

You're right.  They should have skipped the review of their closed source code, open sourced  and offered bounties for anyone finding an exploit.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that thought the code review was nothing more than a way to pump the price.  Too bad for them it failed.  Now all the drk cult wants to do is forget about being hacked and continue talking about the moon and replacing bitcoin.  It's quite hilarious to watch.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 05:10:38 PM
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lul my point is that no one bow down to the hacker hahaha If they could destroy Monero they would already have. We like the fee being 0.1xmr thank you so much.

dude stfu.

hackers are welcome to any cryptocurrency.  the sooner they destroy it / hurt it / find bugs the better.

even in monero (which i support - BRING IT ON BCX!)

I would suggest you invest in XC.  You would do well there.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 05:11:00 PM
Anonymity on the blockchain is the path forward.

And again you're showing your ignorance.

Read this clueless troll: I have come to the conclusion that "on chain anon" defeats the purpose. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=806378)
And especially read what user TheFascistMind (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375762) (= AnonyMint) has to say about it.


What ever you've already released to the block chain, is never going to get more secure. It WILL BE CRACKED SOMEDAY.

That is why do not put your anonymity on the block chain. Mix your inputs and outputs off chain, then put that in a transaction on the block chain (i.e. use CoinJoin).

Then the anonymity can never be cracked in the way it can be on chain with Cryptonote's ring signatures and Diffie-Hellman one-time private keys.

I hope I don't have to explain that again and again.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: nsimmons on October 08, 2014, 05:13:26 PM
lol they are all sucking the hackers dick on the thread lol, with Monero there is not even an exploit and we say fuck you to the "attacker" ;D

How did that bogus block injection hack work out a month ago? Don't lie about things. Transaction fee is still 0.1xmr.

lul my point is that no one bow down to the hacker hahaha If they could destroy Monero they would already have. We like the fee being 0.1xmr thank you so much.

lies...more lies...


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 05:15:24 PM
lol they are all sucking the hackers dick on the thread lol, with Monero there is not even an exploit and we say fuck you to the "attacker" ;D

How did that bogus block injection hack work out a month ago? Don't lie about things. Transaction fee is still 0.1xmr.

lul my point is that no one bow down to the hacker hahaha If they could destroy Monero they would already have. We like the fee being 0.1xmr thank you so much.

lies...more lies...

the bad part is i like monero (and bbr) in SPITE of the idiot nekomata shill and IN SPITE of shill in chief rptellia.



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 05:23:48 PM


And for those who don't already know, shojayxt is known to troll who got busted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg8916412#msg8916412) using sock puppet accounts in order to lower the price so he could finally get in with his 0.5 BTC roll.


This is his ad I found on craigslist while randomly searching for troll spray:

https://i.imgflip.com/b9lz5.jpg



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Wulfcastle on October 08, 2014, 05:25:36 PM
lol they are all sucking the hackers dick on the thread lol, with Monero there is not even an exploit and we say fuck you to the "attacker" ;D

Please, go spread your Shitcoin somewhere else.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: shojayxt on October 08, 2014, 05:30:29 PM
Anonymity on the blockchain is the path forward.

And again you're showing your ignorance.

Read this clueless troll: I have come to the conclusion that "on chain anon" defeats the purpose. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=806378)
And especially read what user TheFascistMind (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375762) (= AnonyMint) has to say about it.


What ever you've already released to the block chain, is never going to get more secure. It WILL BE CRACKED SOMEDAY.

That is why do not put your anonymity on the block chain. Mix your inputs and outputs off chain, then put that in a transaction on the block chain (i.e. use CoinJoin).

Then the anonymity can never be cracked in the way it can be on chain with Cryptonote's ring signatures and Diffie-Hellman one-time private keys.

I hope I don't have to explain that again and again.

I'm flattered that you feel inclined to follow me around like you do.  But you've just proven yourself to be nothing more than a follower.  You copy and paste someone else's post to reply to me.  Can't you think for yourself?


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: tx42 on October 08, 2014, 05:33:09 PM
Read this clueless troll: I have come to the conclusion that "on chain anon" defeats the purpose. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=806378)
And especially read what user TheFascistMind (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375762) (= AnonyMint) has to say about it.

Anyone who thinks that off chain anon is better than on chain anon doesn't understand cryptography.

I'll leave it at that because if I post a detailed explanation, I'll only be vehemently rebutted by people who don't know what they are talking about.

Instead, I'll invest in ring signature coins and my holdings will validate my understanding over time. I feel no need to convince a bunch of dufuses.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 08, 2014, 05:38:12 PM
Look like the DRK spaghetti code has already made one victim
 ;D


http://sf.satya-weblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Spaghetti_code_by_OctanBearcat1.png


#shitcoin

#SCAM


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: shojayxt on October 08, 2014, 05:38:24 PM


And for those who don't already know, shojayxt is known to troll who got busted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg8916412#msg8916412) using sock puppet accounts in order to lower the price so he could finally get in with his 0.5 BTC roll.


This is his ad I found on craigslist while randomly searching for troll spray:

https://i.imgflip.com/b9lz5.jpg



So you're methodology is to attack me personally rather than address the serious issues that have come to light regarding darkcoin being hacked.

You darkcoin cult members never address the real issue of darkcoin being a clusterfuck of spaghetti code and a centralized masternode network.  You're only response to anything is to make personal attacks and sweep everything under the rug hoping it will go away.  Well it's not going to work this time.  DARKCOIN WAS HACKED.  That's a fact.  AN EXPLOIT WAS FOUND AND USED THAT COMPROMISED THE MASTERNODE NETWORK AND ALLOWED AN ATTACKER TO GET FREE DRK.  

Now continue on with your "To The Moon" and "We'll Replace Bitcoin" chants.

And for the record, I have a better picture than what you're posting.  I had a nose job, a chin tuck, I curled my hair and have blonde highlights.  PM me and I'll send you an updated picture.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 05:41:04 PM
I'm flattered that you feel inclined to follow me around like you do.

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you're delusional - I'm not following you around. I thought you really were gone like you said you'd be until you posted in DRK related threads. I guess you were so embarrassed getting caught using the sock puppet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg8916412#msg8916412) that you stayed away from DRK until now.


But you've just proven yourself to be nothing more than a follower.  You copy and paste someone else's post to reply to me.  Can't you think for yourself?

I feel fine quoting people to you who are much smarter than me and much more knowledgeable than I am, I don't like to make a fool out of myself by "thinking for myself" and spouting clueless crap I've randomly just thought of. Just looking at you doing it should be a prime example of what not to do.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 08, 2014, 05:41:09 PM
DRK has opened source its code !!!

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4809641_700b.jpg


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 05:42:36 PM
Read this clueless troll: I have come to the conclusion that "on chain anon" defeats the purpose. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=806378)
And especially read what user TheFascistMind (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375762) (= AnonyMint) has to say about it.

Anyone who thinks that off chain anon is better than on chain anon doesn't understand cryptography.

I'll leave it at that because if I post a detailed explanation, I'll only be vehemently rebutted by people who don't know what they are talking about.

Instead, I'll invest in ring signature coins and my holdings will validate my understanding over time. I feel no need to convince a bunch of dufuses.

tx42 vs AnonyMint, would like to see that.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: tx42 on October 08, 2014, 05:47:13 PM
tx42 vs AnonyMint, would like to see that.

I'll have him calling me names out of frustration in 4 exchanges.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Wulfcastle on October 08, 2014, 05:49:28 PM
lol they are all sucking the hackers dick on the thread lol, with Monero there is not even an exploit and we say fuck you to the "attacker" ;D

Please, go spread your Shitcoin somewhere else.

WTF is your problem this isnot DRK thread, go suck the hackers dick there and let we post here.

In case you didn't notice, this is a DRK thread, not that I care. Nobody gives two shits about Monero now that your community of shills has spammed the altcoin boards into oblivion.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 05:50:40 PM
So you're methodology is to attack me personally rather than address the serious issues that have come to light regarding darkcoin being hacked.

If you post in a way that's designed to piss off people, and if they actually respond, don't start crying. You're just trying to create drama where none exist.

Serious issue? Someone managed to game the block reward payments so his masternode got paid more often than it should have. Bug was fixed in 10 minutes. Boohoo.


clusterfuck of spaghetti code

And how would you know? I bet you haven't even looked at the code, and probably wouldn't even know where to find it. Your credibility is zero.


centralized masternode network

Yes, ~1000 masternodes is very centralized. I believe the target is 3000-4000 nodes eventually. Do you know what centralized means?


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: tx42 on October 08, 2014, 05:50:47 PM
In case you didn't notice, this is a DRK thread, not that I care. Nobody gives two shits about Monero now that your community of shills has spammed the altcoin boards into oblivion.

The forum is alternate cryptocurrencies. The dark thread is elsewhere.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: rangedriver on October 08, 2014, 05:58:38 PM
lol they are all sucking the hackers dick on the thread lol, with Monero there is not even an exploit and we say fuck you to the "attacker" ;D

How did that bogus block injection hack work out a month ago? Don't lie about things. Transaction fee is still 0.1xmr.

lul my point is that no one bow down to the hacker hahaha If they could destroy Monero they would already have. We like the fee being 0.1xmr thank you so much.

lies...more lies...

the bad part is i like monero (and bbr) in SPITE of the idiot nekomata shill and IN SPITE of shill in chief rptellia.



Yeh well... A coin is a coin no matter which people support it. The technology of the coin is all that matters. Wisdom is found in he that picks the coin in deference to the madness of the people that surround it. Darkcoin just doesn't have the technical credibility for the kind of market it's touting itself too, unfortunately. This is not new news, it's just that some people are incredibly incredibly thick.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Zombier0 on October 08, 2014, 05:58:55 PM
Nice he didnt use it against drk


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 08, 2014, 06:00:49 PM

centralized masternode network

Yes, ~1000 masternodes is very centralized. I believe the target is 3000-4000 nodes eventually. Do you know what centralized means?


Master nodes are not scalable. In a real P2P network (not centralized), you can add peers without limit. The more peers, the better.

A master node needs 1000 DRK to be eligible and as DRK are limited, the number of master nodes is limite as well.

And as master nodes implements major functionality for DRK coin, the whole DRK architecture limits the scalability of the coin.

THAT'S WHY DRK WILL NEVER BREAK THROUGH. NO ONE WILL EVER BE CONVINCED BY SUCH A FLAWED DESIGN / ARCHITECTURE.


It's dead, man. Dead from the beginning...


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 06:04:45 PM

centralized masternode network

Yes, ~1000 masternodes is very centralized. I believe the target is 3000-4000 nodes eventually. Do you know what centralized means?


Master nodes are not scalable. In a real P2P network (not centralized), you can add peers without limit. The more peers, the better.

A master node needs 1000 DRK to be eligible and as DRK are limited, the number of master nodes is limite as well.

And as master nodes implements major functionality for DRK coin, the whole DRK architecture limits the scalability of the coin. It's a flaw in the architecture / design.

That's WHY DRK WILL NEVER BREAK THROUGH. NO ONE WILL EVER FIND HIS DESIGN SMART OR ELEGANT with sush a flaw.


It's dead, man. Dead from the beginning...

there are only 7000 bitcoin nodes.  so dark is probably more decentralized than many / most alts.

at least they are open sourced.  XC started by naming their coin after the algorithm darkcoin invented, (x11coin) - then did an instamine (100 days) - then still hasn't opensourced.  In fact I think the same guy who MISSED the problem in dark found problems in XC and the dev went back to work.

if darkcoin is dead - then xc is simply joke that isn't all that funny.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 06:05:05 PM
Yeh well... A coin is a coin no matter which people support it. The technology of the coin is all that matters.

Actually, that's not entirely true.


Darkcoin just doesn't have the technical credibility for the kind of market it's touting itself too, unfortunately. This is not new news, it's just that some people are incredibly incredibly thick.

Actually, Darkcoin has the technical credibility. What is not news though, is that clueless bagholders of other coins will try to talk it down - but I guess that comes with the territory of being the first mover and market leader.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 08, 2014, 06:11:09 PM
Actually, Darkcoin has the technical credibility. What is not news though, is that clueless bagholders of other coins will try to talk it down - but I guess that comes with the territory of being the first mover and market leader.

Hu... technical credibility ? Are you smoking, man ?

DRK is not credible at all from the beginning:

- INSTAMINED BY DEV

- pump and dumped like never seen on any crypto coin

- shitty master node architecture

- Constant price decline after the pump and dump

DRK is a (very bad) joke and give a very bad image of the crypto scene.

And now that the code is open sourced, there will be episode like this one more and more often. Prepare for the big slide ;-)


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 06:11:35 PM

centralized masternode network

Yes, ~1000 masternodes is very centralized. I believe the target is 3000-4000 nodes eventually. Do you know what centralized means?


Master nodes are not scalable. In a real P2P network (not centralized), you can add peers without limit. The more peers, the better.

A master node needs 1000 DRK to be eligible and as DRK are limited, the number of master nodes is limite as well.

And as master nodes implements major functionality for DRK coin, the whole DRK architecture limits the scalability of the coin.

THAT'S WHY DRK WILL NEVER BREAK THROUGH. NO ONE WILL EVER BE CONVINCED BY SUCH A FLAWED DESIGN / ARCHITECTURE.


It's dead, man. Dead from the beginning...

You have no idea of the variables in play. You don't have a faintest idea how many transactions 1000 nodes can handle. Or 2000. Or 4000. You're just blowing hot air. Your credibility is zero.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 08, 2014, 06:14:36 PM

centralized masternode network

Yes, ~1000 masternodes is very centralized. I believe the target is 3000-4000 nodes eventually. Do you know what centralized means?


Master nodes are not scalable. In a real P2P network (not centralized), you can add peers without limit. The more peers, the better.

A master node needs 1000 DRK to be eligible and as DRK are limited, the number of master nodes is limite as well.

And as master nodes implements major functionality for DRK coin, the whole DRK architecture limits the scalability of the coin.

THAT'S WHY DRK WILL NEVER BREAK THROUGH. NO ONE WILL EVER BE CONVINCED BY SUCH A FLAWED DESIGN / ARCHITECTURE.


It's dead, man. Dead from the beginning...

You have no idea of the variables in play. You don't have a faintest idea how many transactions 1000 nodes can handle. Or 2000. Or 4000. You're just blowing hot air. Your credibility is zero.

It's not like this you'll convince people that DRK is well designed.

As soon as you have the concept of master nodes, you are not in a P2P network anymore.

You have a bunch of centralized servers with some nodes connected to it.

Saying that DRK is peer to peer and not centralized is just like saying Google is P2P.

#DRK Fail


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 06:16:51 PM

Hu... technical credibility ? Are you smoking, man ?

DRK is not credible at all from the beginning:

XC named their coin after algorithm invented by DRK

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- INSTAMINED BY DEV
XC was ALL MINED in 100 days (at least dark is minable still)

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- pump and dumped like never seen on any crypto coin
XC has their dev "review" other shitcoins to pump them.  it's openly discussed in the XC thread so the XC buyers can "get in the action of the coin the dev is about to pump"
Quote

- shitty master node architecture

who the hell knows what XC does?  it hasn't been opensourced since the rev 1.  for all anyone knows it could be exactly the same as rev 1.  which did have vulnerabilities from the prof review (not even opensourced - as seen with dark a "review" is worthless).

Quote
DRK is a (very bad) joke and give a very bad image of the crypto scene.


No.  dark is a failure.  Possibly a little scammy. 

XC is a joke.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: shojayxt on October 08, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
So you're methodology is to attack me personally rather than address the serious issues that have come to light regarding darkcoin being hacked.

If you post in a way that's designed to piss off people I don't care, and if they actually respond, don't start crying. I'm not crying I'm laughing You're just trying to create drama where none exist.

Serious issue? Someone managed to game the block reward payments so his masternode got paid more often than it should have. Bug was fixed in 10 minutes. Boohoo.


clusterfuck of spaghetti code

And how would you know? I bet you haven't even looked at the code, and probably wouldn't even know where to find it. Your credibility is zero. My credibility should be more than a darkcoin shill so you'rs is less than zero


centralized masternode network

Yes, ~1000 masternodes is very centralized. I believe the target is 3000-4000 nodes eventually. 3000-4000 controlled by a few people Do you know what centralized means?


You should probably just start a new "Shojayxt is a Troll" thread instead of stalking me and spamming every thread I post in with your personal attacks.  But that would require you to do something for yourself and since your just a follower that isn't likely to happen.  


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 06:21:49 PM
Actually, Darkcoin has the technical credibility. What is not news though, is that clueless bagholders of other coins will try to talk it down - but I guess that comes with the territory of being the first mover and market leader.

Hu... technical credibility ? Are you smoking, man ?

DRK is not credible at all from the beginning:


- INSTAMINED BY DEV

I'm sorry you missed the lunch. I really am. Pay attention next time. I'm not the dev, but I managed to mine just fine.


- pump and dumped like never seen on any crypto coin

You haven't seen much then I suppose.


- shitty master node architecture

Says who? You? LOL
Masternode architecture is awesome, it enables decentralized trustless offchain mixing, and a whole plethora of other features, like instant transaction confirmations.


- Constant price decline after the pump and dump

And this has to do with technical credibility, exactly what? Usually after a bubble forms, it has to come down to reasonable levels.


DRK is a (very bad) joke and give a very bad image of the crypto scene.

Again, says who? You? LOL
Try harder, troll.


And now that the code is open sourced, there will be episode like this one more and more often. Prepare for the big slide ;-)

Episode "like this one" is nothing, someone manages to get higher percentage of rewards for a while, so what? Bugs are found, bugs are getting fixed. I am sure more bugs will be found, no doubt. All crypto is still basically beta software (and a lot of it is alpha, and a lot of it is vaporware). Only ones getting a hard-on out of this are trolls who think they missed the train and are just jelly people aren't buying into their shitcoin.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: shojayxt on October 08, 2014, 06:22:52 PM
Yeh well... A coin is a coin no matter which people support it. The technology of the coin is all that matters.

Actually, that's not entirely true.


Darkcoin just doesn't have the technical credibility for the kind of market it's touting itself too, unfortunately. This is not new news, it's just that some people are incredibly incredibly thick.

Actually, Darkcoin has the technical credibility. What is not news though, is that clueless bagholders of other coins will try to talk it down - but I guess that comes with the territory of being the first mover and market leader.

Ha ha.

How many darkcoin bagholders are there?  

Weren't you one of the guys claiming to be buying more cheap drk all the way down from $12?  

Are you buying more drk now whil;e the price is just over $2?

Do you still think that you'll replace bitcoin?

What does the moon look like up close?

  


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: muddafudda on October 08, 2014, 06:24:14 PM

centralized masternode network

Yes, ~1000 masternodes is very centralized. I believe the target is 3000-4000 nodes eventually. Do you know what centralized means?


Master nodes are not scalable. In a real P2P network (not centralized), you can add peers without limit. The more peers, the better.

A master node needs 1000 DRK to be eligible and as DRK are limited, the number of master nodes is limite as well.

And as master nodes implements major functionality for DRK coin, the whole DRK architecture limits the scalability of the coin.

THAT'S WHY DRK WILL NEVER BREAK THROUGH. NO ONE WILL EVER BE CONVINCED BY SUCH A FLAWED DESIGN / ARCHITECTURE.


It's dead, man. Dead from the beginning...

Could not agree more. This is the first post that explains how I feel about the whole darkcoin premise.

The system itself could drop the whole master node base and just add an extra layer e.g. Proof of funds which really is nothing more than proof of stake in essence.

So why adding the whole masternodes was to add anonymity and reward investors, the same could have been achieved in a far more streamlined result.



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: rangedriver on October 08, 2014, 06:26:00 PM


What does the moon look like up close?

  

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513Tz8IzXkL._SX425_.jpg


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: nutildah on October 08, 2014, 06:26:03 PM
Something good must be coming soon to DRK to warrant this kind of attention.

Darkcoin is the worst form of anonymous coin we've tried yet... except for all of the others.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 06:30:39 PM

Hu... technical credibility ? Are you smoking, man ?

DRK is not credible at all from the beginning:

XC named their coin after algorithm invented by DRK

Quote
- INSTAMINED BY DEV
XC was ALL MINED in 100 days (at least dark is minable still)

Quote
- pump and dumped like never seen on any crypto coin
XC has their dev "review" other shitcoins to pump them.  it's openly discussed in the XC thread so the XC buyers can "get in the action of the coin the dev is about to pump"
Quote

- shitty master node architecture

who the hell knows what XC does?  it hasn't been opensourced since the rev 1.  for all anyone knows it could be exactly the same as rev 1.  which did have vulnerabilities from the prof review (not even opensourced - as seen with dark a "review" is worthless).

Quote
DRK is a (very bad) joke and give a very bad image of the crypto scene.


No.  dark is a failure.  Possibly a little scammy. 

XC is a joke.



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 06:31:54 PM
Weren't you one of the guys claiming to be buying more cheap drk all the way down from $12?  

No.


Are you buying more drk now whil;e the price is just over $2?

You think I would tell you?


Do you still think that you'll replace bitcoin?

Never did.


What does the moon look like up close?

Dunno, ask your momma.


Any other questions?


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 08, 2014, 06:52:15 PM
https://i.imgur.com/gdh0I7l.png


https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQB5K7apwLwreqhz&w=484&h=253&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cryptocoinsnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2Fdarkcoin-price-decline.jpg&cfs=1


http://coinchase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/528_aHR0cDovL2NvaW50ZWxlZ3JhcGguY29tL3N0b3JhZ2UvdXBsb2Fkcy92aWV3L2E3NWEyNDU5NDY3Y2Y1ZTg2NjI4ZGVmMjcxMGFhM2RlLnBuZw-300x200.jpg

http://gagnamite.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/crying_girl_sad_that_awkward_moment_when_you_lose_money.jpg


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 06:53:24 PM
PICS

Didn't last long until the arguments ran out. Oh well. :)


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: shojayxt on October 08, 2014, 06:55:19 PM
PICS

Didn't last long until the arguments ran out. Oh well. :)

Same with the gasoline in the darkcoin car.  Running on fumes now


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 08, 2014, 06:57:53 PM
PICS

Didn't last long until the arguments ran out. Oh well. :)

I'm sorry for your loss and future loss, dude. Anyway, I still wish you good luck with DRK.

DRK is the highway to hell...

https://i.imgur.com/a2sZCor.png

At least, you know where you're going to !  ;D



https://i.imgur.com/HJi6QC7.png


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 08:41:33 PM
The system itself could drop the whole master node base and just add an extra layer e.g. Proof of funds which really is nothing more than proof of stake in essence.

So why adding the whole masternodes was to add anonymity and reward investors, the same could have been achieved in a far more streamlined result.

It's always interesting to read about potential improvements.

Assume there is a proof of funds, i.e. you have an address with let's say 1000 DRK in it. How to streamline it from there?


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: otto93 on October 08, 2014, 08:54:38 PM
Has this exploit been fixed yet?


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 08:57:08 PM
the nodes were more a way to drive demand for the coin up on the exchange.

XC recently did the same thing to drive prices up ... suprise suprise  ::)


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: RaXmOuSe on October 08, 2014, 08:58:04 PM
So drk wasnt open source from beginning?

Why?


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 08:59:59 PM
So drk wasnt open source from beginning?

Why?

it's the same with XC.

Because of the fact that they are trying to monopolize their market niche and know it's somewhat of a scam (instamine, premine, etc) they know that if they DO have good tech - it will be cloned to a fair release fork (IE - Monero vs Bytecoin).  So they keep it closed sourced.

Also their code probably sucks and they don't want it to be public ... selling the coin on what they think they'll have by the time they release vs release it and then try to sell it.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: rangedriver on October 08, 2014, 09:00:17 PM
Has this exploit been fixed yet?

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/55126323.jpg


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 09:00:18 PM
Has this exploit been fixed yet?

Yes: https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/commit/fe9fddb292a8505a8f915708d87ef27a1ddd6060


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 08, 2014, 09:04:06 PM
So drk wasnt open source from beginning?

Why?

it's the same with XC.

Because of the fact that they are trying to monopolize their market niche and know it's somewhat of a scam (instamine, premine, etc) they know that if they DO have good tech - it will be cloned to a fair release fork (IE - Monero vs Bytecoin).  So they keep it closed sourced.

Also their code probably sucks and they don't want it to be public ... selling the coin on what they think they'll have by the time they release vs release it and then try to sell it.

But what do you want to protect in the case of DRK ?

Why would someone copy it ?!? There are tons of far more better solutions available.

Just poke us whenever a darkshit clone is created...


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 08, 2014, 09:14:43 PM
But what do you want to protect in the case of DRK ?

Why would someone copy it ?!? There are tons of far more better solutions available.

Just poke us whenever a darkshit clone is created...

DRK is the best solution available! See, my argument is as good as yours!

The reason I don't think many will copy DRK, is that its masternode network is not easy to copy. You'd start your coin, then after a month you'd have enough coins to run 10 masternodes or w/e depending on your parameters, each generating an income of $0.0001 / day. No one would host a masternode with a loss.

It would take at least 6-12 months until you'd have a credible masternode network each node valuable enough you couldn't easily just buy off the majority of them. Far too long term of a plan for your standard pump & dump clone project. It's just simpler to clone a PoS coin with 1 week PoW period and put random features into the roadmap.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: nsimmons on October 08, 2014, 09:18:25 PM
...more better...

http://www.engrish.com/


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 08, 2014, 09:29:45 PM
...more better...

http://www.engrish.com/

My bad :)

Much better, indeed :-)

And thank you for this funny site. I had a good laugh  ;D


Title: What do we know about "XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ"?
Post by: patrolman on October 08, 2014, 11:14:18 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg9121343#msg9121343

What do we know about "XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ"? Very little really, but it's not somebody who is willing to take credit for finding the exploit. Do we assume that finding this exploit is this person's first encounter with the cryptocurrency world?

Would it be reasonable to suggest that most people would be happy to take credit for finding the exploit? Perhaps somebody who might benefit from Darkcoin being damaged would be interested in finding a bug and reporting it anonymously, somebody invested in another anonymous cryptocurrency, for example. We know very well from one of the posters in this thread that it's not difficult to create sock-puppet accounts to support your case.

One thing we do know, is that "XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ" does not have a reputation to uphold here on bitcointalk. As a result this person can post things which nobody can confirm or deny. For example:
I'm not so good at C++, really.

Throw in a condescending remark about someone who does have a reputation in the crypto community:
Btw, you should hire some real penetration tester, not me or what was the name of that guy?

And of course a parting jab, but with a "nice guy" remark for good measure:
It seems to be more vulnerabilities in darkcoin. Code looks terrible (nothing personal  :))

Based on what we actually know about this character, the thread title "darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur" is impossible to verify and seems sensationalist.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: karlb187 on October 08, 2014, 11:43:32 PM


DRK is the future of crypto so don't listen to the trolls.



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: tat123 on October 08, 2014, 11:48:06 PM

robinwilliams was banned from the XC thread today.

372 total posts and over 70 dedicated to XC.

Darkcoin has an exploit but he swings the topic back to XC.

mr williams... if XC is such a joke, then why do you make it the subject of over 20% of your posts?

No need to answer. The facts of your actions over the past month are ample evidence of your true intentions.

RobinWilliams = Moneroman88 = Come-from-Above = TinEye = ??


mr williams... the grand puppetmaster! :P
 


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 08, 2014, 11:55:14 PM
Quote
mr williams... if XC is such a joke, then why do you make it the subject of over 20% of your posts?
 lol because I like to laugh.

also hate seeing people get swindled by closed sourced "privacy" code.

it was an xc puppet that came in here talking about how dark is bad (which it is) - but XC is like dark's retarted brother that just follows in his footsteps (or tries)


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: h4xx0r on October 08, 2014, 11:57:56 PM
Look like the DRK spaghetti code has already made one victim
 ;D


http://sf.satya-weblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Spaghetti_code_by_OctanBearcat1.png


#shitcoin

#SCAM

wasn't the code called into question by a hero member way back on page 60 something of the darkcoin thread? it was around the time they were rolling out the masternodes and selling them.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Jeff8247 on October 09, 2014, 12:02:20 AM
This thread is just LOL with all the trolling.

Shoyaxt and robinwilliams are very special individuals that's for sure... (I don't mean this in a good way)


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: patrolman on October 09, 2014, 12:02:42 AM
Quote
mr williams... if XC is such a joke, then why do you make it the subject of over 20% of your posts?
 lol because I like to laugh.

also hate seeing people get swindled by closed sourced "privacy" code.

it was an xc puppet that came in here talking about how dark is bad (which it is) - but XC is like dark's retarted brother that just follows in his footsteps (or tries)

Darkcoin is open source. The only part which wasn't was DarkSend but the source code was released last week: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/open-source-announcement-and-future-plans.2528/ (https://darkcointalk.org/threads/open-source-announcement-and-future-plans.2528/)


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: tat123 on October 09, 2014, 12:05:46 AM
Quote
mr williams... if XC is such a joke, then why do you make it the subject of over 20% of your posts?
  lol because I like to laugh.

also hate seeing people get swindled by closed sourced "privacy" code.



How many times have you been told it is being open sourced in the next 2 months?

Darkcoin was closed source for over 8 months? Not one post on their thread about closed source? Yes... you are so unbiased.

Lol! If you are going to snipe... conceal your identity better. Its too easy to see where the muzzle flash is coming from with you. :-*



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 09, 2014, 12:32:53 AM
Quote
How many times have you been told it is being open sourced in the next 2 months?

Darkcoin was closed source for over 8 months? Not one post on their thread about closed source? Yes... you are so unbiased.

dude - xc was closed source for six months ... so by the time it comes out = 8 months.  just like big bro darkcoin

and I'm not the individual you claim  ::)

my opinion is dark sucks, xc sucks more.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: fewcoins on October 09, 2014, 12:34:04 AM
Darkcoin will still past LTC & all the other shit coins for the #2 market cap spot!


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 09, 2014, 12:35:40 AM
Darkcoin will still past LTC & all the other shit coins for the #2 market cap spot!

haha - darkcoins time to shine (no pun intended) is over


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 09, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
Quote
For one moment I thought only Monero has said to be #2 coin, and was attacked because of it.

lol many people claim they are next in line for litecoins spot.  none are.  they just like to dream


Title: Re: What do we know about "XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ"?
Post by: robinwilliams on October 09, 2014, 12:42:22 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg9121343#msg9121343

What do we know about "XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ"? Very little really, but it's not somebody who is willing to take credit for finding the exploit. Do we assume that finding this exploit is this person's first encounter with the cryptocurrency world?

Would it be reasonable to suggest that most people would be happy to take credit for finding the exploit? Perhaps somebody who might benefit from Darkcoin being damaged would be interested in finding a bug and reporting it anonymously, somebody invested in another anonymous cryptocurrency, for example. We know very well from one of the posters in this thread that it's not difficult to create sock-puppet accounts to support your case.

One thing we do know, is that "XwzmEE1cJ6HG84CgJvAt7ADmJ" does not have a reputation to uphold here on bitcointalk. As a result this person can post things which nobody can confirm or deny. For example:
I'm not so good at C++, really.

Throw in a condescending remark about someone who does have a reputation in the crypto community:
Btw, you should hire some real penetration tester, not me or what was the name of that guy?

And of course a parting jab, but with a "nice guy" remark for good measure:
It seems to be more vulnerabilities in darkcoin. Code looks terrible (nothing personal  :))

Based on what we actually know about this character, the thread title "darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur" is impossible to verify and seems sensationalist.

just realized - the hacker\attacker guy writes like jl777 & he would have the motivation (maybe?) o.O



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: tat123 on October 09, 2014, 01:09:28 AM
Quote
How many times have you been told it is being open sourced in the next 2 months?

Darkcoin was closed source for over 8 months? Not one post on their thread about closed source? Yes... you are so unbiased.

dude - xc was closed source for six months ... so by the time it comes out = 8 months.  just like big bro darkcoin

and I'm not the individual you claim  ::)

my opinion is dark sucks, xc sucks more.



dude... you obviously missed my point. I am asking why you posted over 70X that XC is blah, blah, blah... when you didn't post one comment on the Darkcoin thread about their project? Where are all the posts about Darkcoin? They are the top Anon coin as far as market cap is concerned, and not one post about their closed source? Lol!

XC sucks? Then explain why you have dedicated 20% of your posts to it?

XC doesnt spam the forum like Monero... your invesntment btw. So why the hate?

Right... you are just concerned for your fellow cryptobros. How original. Appeal to sympathy has to be the most overused fallacy on this forum.




MoneroMan is not BM. His post was meant to deceive you guys into thinking that. MoneroMan is a shill, but he isn't BM's shill.

I think MoneroMan is Come-from-Above

Yes, I posted that to make the NXT retards think I am BM. Of course I am not BM. I've admitted to be  Come-from-Above earlier. This entire community is ridiculous.

I noticed you made an effort to change C-f-A's posting statistics after I outed you as C-f-A. ;)

It's too late bruh.


Coinhoarder,

Yes you got me.  I was trying to hide it but you were able to successfully connect the dots. robinwilliams, TinEye and a bunch of other sockpuppets are also me C-f-A. I confess.

What is your name in BitShares and which position do you hold? Are you mentioned on the official page?

ps. hats off!



I just love how you always say... "I'm not trying to start any drama here guys, but..."

Now its JL777 fault? Curious... how do really feel? Lmao!


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 09, 2014, 01:28:49 AM
I"M NOT MONEROMAN88 ... moneroman88 is that NXT thief who killed somebody and is trying to find jl777's identity  

I don't like nxt or jl777 or the supernet or theifs or people who kill people.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Ignition75 on October 09, 2014, 01:32:38 AM


And for those who don't already know, shojayxt is known to troll who got busted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg8916412#msg8916412) using sock puppet accounts in order to lower the price so he could finally get in with his 0.5 BTC roll.


This is his ad I found on craigslist while randomly searching for troll spray:

https://i.imgflip.com/b9lz5.jpg




His posts are fairly basic with not a huge amount of cognitive thought, he's just a bottom feeding kid on his Uncles laptop trolling for steam credit...


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: tat123 on October 09, 2014, 01:36:33 AM
I"M NOT MONEROMAN88 ... moneroman88 is that NXT thief who killed somebody and is trying to find jl777's identity  

I don't like nxt or jl777 or the supernet or theifs or people who kill people.


https://i.imgur.com/75oV4ZU.jpg


Ok... whatever you say Dick. You are not a crook.


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: iCEBREAKER on October 09, 2014, 01:47:29 AM
This is also why you should be open sourced from the beginning

anonymity should always be trusted to open sourced solutions

This is all true.  To be on my Legitimate Altcoin Whitelist, a coin must follow Bitcoin's example and be 100% open source.  Not some half-assed delayed version.

All the nooblings losing their shitcoins to Madoff Node exploits are being taught a valuable (and therefore expensive) lesson: DON'T TRUST CLOSED SOURCE!

The good intentions of the devs aren't the point and don't matter; the of point open source is to verify the code's security with as many eyes and brains as possible.


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: h4xx0r on October 09, 2014, 01:49:40 AM
This is also why you should be open sourced from the beginning

anonymity should always be trusted to open sourced solutions

This is all true.  To be on my Legitimate Altcoin Whitelist, a coin must follow Bitcoin's example and be 100% open source.  Not some half-assed delayed version.

All the nooblings losing their shitcoins to Madoff Node exploits are being taught a valuable (and therefore expensive) lesson: DON'T TRUST CLOSED SOURCE!

The good intentions of the devs aren't the point and don't matter; the of point open source is to verify the code's security with as many eyes and brains as possible.


The good intentions of the dev? the intentions were probably not good at this point. If they were, they would have hired a professional. instead they created hype they couldn't live up to and probably profited nicely in doing so.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 09, 2014, 02:15:24 AM
WOW -11 trade trust what did you do?  :D


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 09, 2014, 02:36:40 AM

centralized masternode network

Yes, ~1000 masternodes is very centralized. I believe the target is 3000-4000 nodes eventually. Do you know what centralized means?


Master nodes are not scalable. In a real P2P network (not centralized), you can add peers without limit. The more peers, the better.

A master node needs 1000 DRK to be eligible and as DRK are limited, the number of master nodes is limite as well.

And as master nodes implements major functionality for DRK coin, the whole DRK architecture limits the scalability of the coin.

THAT'S WHY DRK WILL NEVER BREAK THROUGH. NO ONE WILL EVER BE CONVINCED BY SUCH A FLAWED DESIGN / ARCHITECTURE.


It's dead, man. Dead from the beginning...

You have no idea of the variables in play. You don't have a faintest idea how many transactions 1000 nodes can handle. Or 2000. Or 4000. You're just blowing hot air. Your credibility is zero.


It's not like this you'll convince people that DRK is well designed.

It's you who's trying to convince people (and yourself) it can't scale enough to BREAK THROUGH. I'm just saying you have no idea.


As soon as you have the concept of master nodes, you are not in a P2P network anymore.

You have a bunch of centralized servers with some nodes connected to it.

Saying that DRK is peer to peer and not centralized is just like saying Google is P2P.

#DRK Fail

By your logic, as soon as you have people running their clients behind firewalls blocking incoming ports, you are not in a P2P network anymore.

#TROLL Fail


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 09, 2014, 02:37:28 AM
I"M NOT MONEROMAN88 ... moneroman88 is that NXT thief who killed somebody and is trying to find jl777's identity  

I don't like nxt or jl777 or the supernet or theifs or people who kill people.

Is it true?


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Spoetnik on October 09, 2014, 02:46:13 AM
this is why although i have *some coding skill i never made a coin.
and why i encouraged people to try and avoid anon devs who are often kids buying pre-made coins etc.
or younger people who are dumb and shouldn't be making coins because they are over their head skill wise.

this shows you all why picking what coin to invest in is important.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: h4xx0r on October 09, 2014, 02:47:38 AM
WOW -11 trade trust what did you do?  :D

I refused to bow down to the posters who control the default trust. and use their position to create arbitrary pseudo rules. they spent the last two days trying to convince me i was wrong and was trying to "buy trust". you should see the threads, i totally own them time and time again intellectually, the whole time pointing out the fact that they are behaving like holier than thou faggots. it was hilarious.


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: iCEBREAKER on October 09, 2014, 02:57:11 AM
The good intentions of the dev? the intentions were probably not good at this point. If they were, they would have hired a professional. instead they created hype they couldn't live up to and probably profited nicely in doing so.

I was alluding to the fact that given the salubrious effect of many eyes/brains on FOSS, we may assume a dev has good intentions regardless of their actual motivation.

It works in reverse too; if a dev refuses to release the code, we may (IE must) assume he has bad intentions.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 09, 2014, 03:00:09 AM
Quote
How many times have you been told it is being open sourced in the next 2 months?

Darkcoin was closed source for over 8 months? Not one post on their thread about closed source? Yes... you are so unbiased.

dude - xc was closed source for six months ... so by the time it comes out = 8 months.  just like big bro darkcoin

and I'm not the individual you claim  ::)

my opinion is dark sucks, xc sucks more.



dude... you obviously missed my point. I am asking why you posted over 70X that XC is blah, blah, blah... when you didn't post one comment on the Darkcoin thread about their project? Where are all the posts about Darkcoin? They are the top Anon coin as far as market cap is concerned, and not one post about their closed source? Lol!

XC sucks? Then explain why you have dedicated 20% of your posts to it?

XC doesnt spam the forum like Monero... your invesntment btw. So why the hate?

Right... you are just concerned for your fellow cryptobros. How original. Appeal to sympathy has to be the most overused fallacy on this forum.




MoneroMan is not BM. His post was meant to deceive you guys into thinking that. MoneroMan is a shill, but he isn't BM's shill.

I think MoneroMan is Come-from-Above

Yes, I posted that to make the NXT retards think I am BM. Of course I am not BM. I've admitted to be  Come-from-Above earlier. This entire community is ridiculous.

I noticed you made an effort to change C-f-A's posting statistics after I outed you as C-f-A. ;)

It's too late bruh.


Coinhoarder,

Yes you got me.  I was trying to hide it but you were able to successfully connect the dots. robinwilliams, TinEye and a bunch of other sockpuppets are also me C-f-A. I confess.

What is your name in BitShares and which position do you hold? Are you mentioned on the official page?

ps. hats off!



I just love how you always say... "I'm not trying to start any drama here guys, but..."

Now its JL777 fault? Curious... how do really feel? Lmao!

did you get dropped on your head as a child?  

i posted in the MAIN FORUM about darkcoins problems.  with you guys i just posted in your chat thread vs humiliating you in public - however now that you wanna cry about it.  i will spend some time coming up with an APPORPRIATE response for this wanna be copy cat of a near scam closed source anonominity, web 3.0 "solution" who has copied the original algo name, the masternode idea, the closed source route ... ALL from darkcoin (except with a 100 day premine i would say XC is more of a scam)

i actually have some inside information that one of your devs is about to get his ass sued off in court.  trust me - there is more dirt on XC than even that dude who posted all that shit about the ex dev and was crying his ass off brought up.

To be clear = I came to YOU GUYS with my issues etc etc and explained things and got kicked out of your thread.  I made a DARKCOIN THREAD outlining some issues and now you are saying "wa wa ... you aren't as mean to darkcoin as you are XC"

Boy you are a special one aren't you HAHA  :D

http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/funny-quotes-i-just-rolled-my-eyes.jpg


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: h4xx0r on October 09, 2014, 03:06:30 AM
The good intentions of the dev? the intentions were probably not good at this point. If they were, they would have hired a professional. instead they created hype they couldn't live up to and probably profited nicely in doing so.

I was alluding to the fact that given the salubrious effect of many eyes/brains on FOSS, we may assume a dev has good intentions regardless of their actual motivation.

It works in reverse too; if a dev refuses to release the code, we may (IE must) assume he has bad intentions.

True, but i think the combination of our posts shows the whole picture. We can't prove for certain whether the dev had good intentions, but lets face it. if you're releasing coins you're probably trying to make money, gain notoriety, or in very rare cases, you did for the challenge of pushing the envelope. we don't really know the motivational factor(s) for this dev, but we do know that in terms of C++ coding, the developer is an amateur. It's not much of  a stretch to speculate either way on his intentions at this point.

PS: you have a salubrious vocabulary. learned a new word :P


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: illodin on October 09, 2014, 03:11:17 AM
but we do know that in terms of C++ coding, the developer is an amateur.

First, define amateur, and then, how do we know exactly that he is one?


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: h4xx0r on October 09, 2014, 03:33:32 AM
but we do know that in terms of C++ coding, the developer is an amateur.

First, define amateur, and then, how do we know exactly that he is one?
assume


"bro we need a prng for darksend. any ideas? i don't know much about RNG's admittedly"

"fuck it, just use std::rand()"

Code:
randomizeList (int i) { return std::rand()%i;}

coins are lost if main() terminates unexpectedly before lockedCoins.clear(), which should have a reference in the main scope so it can be called referenced during shutdown.

Code:
void CDarkSendPool::UnlockCoins(){
    BOOST_FOREACH(CTxIn v, lockedCoins)
    pwalletMain->UnlockCoin(v.prevout);
    lockedCoins.clear();
}

we know that session ids are used to identify with the network because of the following code. maybe this should be examine the protocol for this connection more closely.
Code:
RelayDarkSendCompletedTransaction(sessionID, false, "Transaction Created Successfully");

This doesn't mean he is an amateur. judging by the coding style, and what i've seen through half tired eyes its a group.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 09, 2014, 06:08:13 AM
By your logic, as soon as you have people running their clients behind firewalls blocking incoming ports, you are not in a P2P network anymore.

I don't see the logic .... why are you talking about firewall and incoming ports ?

Have you any network knowledge ? I mean, strong one, not like just configuring an adsl router...


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 09, 2014, 07:36:40 AM
By your logic, as soon as you have people running their clients behind firewalls blocking incoming ports, you are not in a P2P network anymore.

I don't see the logic .... why are you talking about firewall and incoming ports ?

In a bitcoin network, there are two types of citizens: full nodes with the whole blockchain and with open incoming ports to which other nodes can connect to, and nodes behind a firewall which you can't connect to or without the whole blockchain.

Compare this to darkcoin network, where you could think of existing also two types of citizens: masternodes and nodes.

You can't say the other isn't P2P while the other is.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: btcxyzzz on October 09, 2014, 09:52:04 AM
Its time for NEOS coin

Just like that!


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: FiniteRed on October 09, 2014, 10:28:43 AM
Its time for NEOS coin

Yes. It is


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: HunterMinerCrafter on October 09, 2014, 02:30:25 PM
I was alluding to the fact that given the salubrious effect of many eyes/brains on FOSS, we may assume a dev has good intentions regardless of their actual motivation.

It works in reverse too; if a dev refuses to release the code, we may (IE must) assume he has bad intentions.

AMEN.

It has nothing to do with anon or not, on or off chain.

It has nothing to do with centralized or decentralized or anything in-between.

It has nothing to do with paid code reviews, marketing shill hype, or mudslinging between coin cult fanbois.

It has everything to do with the fact that these are "proof coordination networks" and without open source you have no reasonable way to know the structure of the proofs, or what they prove over, and in turn have no way to verify the usefulness of the proofs and function of the network as being sound, let alone altruistic.  As such, you can have no alternative but to assume the coin does not function.

The whole "big idea" of crypto-currency is that, by the combination of the details of the implementation of proof coordination and Satoshi's social contract, no-one need explicitly trust any other singular entity.  These closed source coins not only break the assumed social contract, but also explicitly obscure the implementation detail in doing so.

A closed source coin requests of you nothing short of 100% blind faith in the developers.  In this case this is not just faith that their implementation is both as they claim and free of defect, but also faith that they will not malware your computer, steal all of your coins, monitor all of your activities, spam your address book with v1agra ads, impersonate your mother on facebook, etc.

We have to assume that any breach of the social contract is done explicitly to break the trust-free function of the network, as it accomplishes no other thing. The assumptions that have to be drawn in turn, as following from this, are all not very pretty.  In other words, *any* reason to break the social contract is inherently a scary bad reason.

If a crypto coin does not offer up it's proof structures for review then it cannot be said to function correctly as a proof coordination network, and as such it must be assumed not to function correctly as a crypto coin.

If a crypto coin violates Satoshi's social contract then it cannot be said to function correctly as a trust-free network, and as such it must be assumed not to function correctly as a crypto coin.

Closed source coins are just simply not able to be rationally considered coins at all, no two ways about it.

You'd unquestionably be better off with Paypal, WoW gold, or the U.S. Fed minting your coins as at least then you have another open code and social contract to fall back on, called tort law.

Closed source coins are downright dangerous.  You have no way to know what they can/will do, and no recourse if what they end up doing is harmful to you.



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: robinwilliams on October 09, 2014, 02:40:24 PM
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It has everything to do with the fact that these are "proof coordination networks" and without open source you have no reasonable way to know the structure of the proofs, or what they prove over, and in turn have no way to verify the usefulness of the proofs and function of the network as being sound, let alone altruistic.  As such, you can have no alternative but to assume the coin does not function.

The whole "big idea" of crypto-currency is that, by the combination of the details of the implementation of proof coordination and Satoshi's social contract, no-one need explicitly trust any other singular entity. 

YES!  THANK YOU!

closed source "cryptocurrency" is worse than nothing at all



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: evok3d on October 09, 2014, 06:07:00 PM
None of these coins would have existed without the great work of Satoshi and his willingness to keep the entire project open source. I find it weird that some developers use that very technology and somehow think their work is too important to be open source. If you cannot keep the moral code of what allowed you to even have a coin then please find another approach that keeps this integrity in place.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: toknormal on October 09, 2014, 09:39:49 PM

Oops.

A thread full of squabbling rats in a sewer.

I must've dropped through an undocumented manhole on bitcointalk  :o


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: PoS on October 09, 2014, 10:22:50 PM

Oops.

A thread full of squabbling rats in a sewer.

I must've dropped through an undocumented manhole on bitcointalk  :o

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg9116360#msg9116360 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg9116360#msg9116360)
Crypto community are cockroaches and rats because they dont buy into that instamine crap as they would wish. Now they want to try to sell it to some uninformed granny's instead.

First the Linux guys slave away for over a decade to have a open project going then Satoshi does his bit, than this scam of the earth comes along and things he can fuck everyone.
I'm so glad there are real anon coins about.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: h4xx0r on October 09, 2014, 10:51:47 PM

Oops.

A thread full of squabbling rats in a sewer.

I must've dropped through an undocumented manhole on bitcointalk  :o

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg9116360#msg9116360 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg9116360#msg9116360)
Crypto community are cockroaches and rats because they dont buy into that instamine crap as they would wish. Now they want to try to sell it to some uninformed granny's instead.

First the Linux guys slave away for over a decade to have a open project going then Satoshi does his bit, than this scam of the earth comes along and things he can fuck everyone.
I'm so glad there are real anon coins about.

what about SSD coin? do you think it is legitimate? I went into their thread ragging them but they almost have me sold they are legit. i still not buy into it though until they deliver on all promises.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: toknormal on October 09, 2014, 11:47:16 PM
Crypto community are cockroaches and rats because they dont buy into that instamine crap...than this scam of the earth comes along and things he can fuck everyone.
I'm so glad there are real anon coins about.

I think if a cryptocoin had knocked my nose out of joint as far as it seems to have done yours I'd try a less stressful pastime.

At least you're stuffed in the same clueless thread with some of the all star charlatans of Bitcointalk. Enjoy the company  ;)






Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: UnunoctiumTesticles on October 09, 2014, 11:48:21 PM
Operation ShitCODE Cleanout.

Enough of these C++ coins.

All coins not coded in Brainfuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Examples) are hereby on notice of their imminent demise.


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: patrolman on October 10, 2014, 12:18:12 AM
This is also why you should be open sourced from the beginning

anonymity should always be trusted to open sourced solutions

This is all true.  To be on my Legitimate Altcoin Whitelist, a coin must follow Bitcoin's example and be 100% open source.  Not some half-assed delayed version.

All the nooblings losing their shitcoins to Madoff Node exploits are being taught a valuable (and therefore expensive) lesson: DON'T TRUST CLOSED SOURCE!

The good intentions of the devs aren't the point and don't matter; the of point open source is to verify the code's security with as many eyes and brains as possible.


This is really clutching at straws here.

I condone using open-source software as much as possible. I would be lying if I said that I would have been interested in Bitcoin initally if it were not open source. But the cryptocurrency landscape is very different now to Bitcoin's early days. Manipulation is rife. Crypto traders are fickle. Coin cloning with a changed parameter or two and a different name is the norm. A clone coin offering no technical innovation but some tiresome catchphrases and marketing tactics once made it to 3rd place in terms of market cap. It's back in the top 5 again now.

I initially dismissed Darkcoin's chances of success because of the name but after reading some of Evan's posts I became interested in the project. I didn't like the idea of closed source at all, but it was always said that the DarkSend source code would eventually be released. I weighed up risk vs. reward and put my trust In Evan and his claim that the source code would be released further ahead. This trust was due to my assessment of his character based on reading his posts. It turns out the character assessment was quite good - he kept his word and the DarkSend source was released last Monday :https://darkcointalk.org/threads/open-source-announcement-and-future-plans.2528/ (https://darkcointalk.org/threads/open-source-announcement-and-future-plans.2528/).

The code's security can now be verified with as many eyes and brains as possible. Evan does not hide behind a handle - his reputation is on the line if anything nefarious is found in the code.

I'm going to write this in a larger, more colourful font, because it seems that some posting in this thread are mere shills or for some reason haven't realised this yet:
 Darkcoin is 100% open source


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Spoetnik on October 10, 2014, 01:10:23 AM
Operation ShitCODE Cleanout.

Enough of these C++ coins.

All coins not coded in Brainfuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Examples) are hereby on notice of their imminent demise.

learn the difference between c and c++ buddy LOL
then your comment might have some credence ahhaha
like omg i am soooper coderzxz in javascipt and PHP !!!


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: Spoetnik on October 10, 2014, 01:11:44 AM
This is also why you should be open sourced from the beginning

anonymity should always be trusted to open sourced solutions

This is all true.  To be on my Legitimate Altcoin Whitelist, a coin must follow Bitcoin's example and be 100% open source.  Not some half-assed delayed version.

All the nooblings losing their shitcoins to Madoff Node exploits are being taught a valuable (and therefore expensive) lesson: DON'T TRUST CLOSED SOURCE!

The good intentions of the devs aren't the point and don't matter; the of point open source is to verify the code's security with as many eyes and brains as possible.


This is really clutching at straws here.

I condone using open-source software as much as possible. I would be lying if I said that I would have been interested in Bitcoin initally if it were not open source. But the cryptocurrency landscape is very different now to Bitcoin's early days. Manipulation is rife. Crypto traders are fickle. Coin cloning with a changed parameter or two and a different name is the norm. A clone coin offering no technical innovation but some tiresome catchphrases and marketing tactics once made it to 3rd place in terms of market cap. It's back in the top 5 again now.

I initially dismissed Darkcoin's chances of success because of the name but after reading some of Evan's posts I became interested in the project. I didn't like the idea of closed source at all, but it was always said that the DarkSend source code would eventually be released. I weighed up risk vs. reward and put my trust In Evan and his claim that the source code would be released further ahead. This trust was due to my assessment of his character based on reading his posts. It turns out the character assessment was quite good - he kept his word and the DarkSend source was released last Monday :https://darkcointalk.org/threads/open-source-announcement-and-future-plans.2528/ (https://darkcointalk.org/threads/open-source-announcement-and-future-plans.2528/).

The code's security can now be verified with as many eyes and brains as possible. Evan does not hide behind a handle - his reputation is on the line if anything nefarious is found in the code.

I'm going to write this in a larger, more colourful font, because it seems that some posting in this thread are mere shills or for some reason haven't realised this yet:
 Darkcoin is 100% open source

i think you mean "NOW" is open source after a recent announcement stating this by the devs ;)

how's reality treating ya these days bud ?


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: esotericizm on October 10, 2014, 01:11:56 AM
Darkcoin is 100% open sourcenow...


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: h4xx0r on October 10, 2014, 01:12:47 AM
Operation ShitCODE Cleanout.

Enough of these C++ coins.

All coins not coded in Brainfuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Examples) are hereby on notice of their imminent demise.

learn the difference between c and c++ buddy LOL
then your comment might have some credence ahhaha
like omg i am soooper coderzxz in javascipt and PHP !!!

the Majority of bitcoin is in C++ i think the only parts that are C is the hashing algorithms which all come from an open source library. Open something, can't rember what its called.


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: patrolman on October 10, 2014, 01:38:06 AM
This is also why you should be open sourced from the beginning

anonymity should always be trusted to open sourced solutions

This is all true.  To be on my Legitimate Altcoin Whitelist, a coin must follow Bitcoin's example and be 100% open source.  Not some half-assed delayed version.

All the nooblings losing their shitcoins to Madoff Node exploits are being taught a valuable (and therefore expensive) lesson: DON'T TRUST CLOSED SOURCE!

The good intentions of the devs aren't the point and don't matter; the of point open source is to verify the code's security with as many eyes and brains as possible.


This is really clutching at straws here.

I condone using open-source software as much as possible. I would be lying if I said that I would have been interested in Bitcoin initally if it were not open source. But the cryptocurrency landscape is very different now to Bitcoin's early days. Manipulation is rife. Crypto traders are fickle. Coin cloning with a changed parameter or two and a different name is the norm. A clone coin offering no technical innovation but some tiresome catchphrases and marketing tactics once made it to 3rd place in terms of market cap. It's back in the top 5 again now.

I initially dismissed Darkcoin's chances of success because of the name but after reading some of Evan's posts I became interested in the project. I didn't like the idea of closed source at all, but it was always said that the DarkSend source code would eventually be released. I weighed up risk vs. reward and put my trust In Evan and his claim that the source code would be released further ahead. This trust was due to my assessment of his character based on reading his posts. It turns out the character assessment was quite good - he kept his word and the DarkSend source was released last Monday :https://darkcointalk.org/threads/open-source-announcement-and-future-plans.2528/ (https://darkcointalk.org/threads/open-source-announcement-and-future-plans.2528/).

The code's security can now be verified with as many eyes and brains as possible. Evan does not hide behind a handle - his reputation is on the line if anything nefarious is found in the code.

I'm going to write this in a larger, more colourful font, because it seems that some posting in this thread are mere shills or for some reason haven't realised this yet:
 Darkcoin is 100% open source

i think you mean "NOW" is open source after a recent announcement stating this by the devs ;)

how's reality treating ya these days bud ?

What part of "is" means "has always been"? Should I have written the whole post in large colourful letters for you?

How's reading comprehension treating you these days bud?


Title: Re: THIS is why cryptonote is the only legit anon (right now)
Post by: iCEBREAKER on October 10, 2014, 02:22:26 AM
Darkcoin is 100% some half-assed delayed version of open source

Fikst.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: AnnoyMint on October 10, 2014, 02:38:35 AM
Operation ShitCODE Cleanout.

Enough of these C++ coins.

All coins not coded in Brainfuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Examples) are hereby on notice of their imminent demise.

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Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Jocuserious on October 10, 2014, 03:48:45 AM
what about SSD coin? do you think it is legitimate? I went into their thread ragging them but they almost have me sold they are legit. i still not buy into it though until they deliver on all promises.

SSD is the only one with Stenography. Not much of a market for it now but if it is stout and continues along then there might be.

It's been out for awhile and I haven't seen any copycats.  Kind of a relevant indicator to me.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: fuze0000 on October 11, 2014, 01:13:12 AM
Is Supercoin the real deal? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736705.msg8324932#msg8324932


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: jabo38 on October 11, 2014, 04:28:23 AM
ouch.  that sucks for Darkcoin.  I wouldn't want to hold Dark right now. 

If the code isn't open sourced, nobody really knows.



Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 11, 2014, 06:02:39 AM
Is Supercoin the real deal? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736705.msg8324932#msg8324932

It seems to !!! :o :o :o


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 11, 2014, 08:31:48 AM
ouch.  that sucks for Darkcoin.  I wouldn't want to hold Dark right now. 

What sucks? That the bug was fixed (https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/commit/fe9fddb292a8505a8f915708d87ef27a1ddd6060) within minutes and the coin is stronger by it?


If the code isn't open sourced, nobody really knows.

It is open sourced, go check it out: https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: krawallmining on October 11, 2014, 02:49:52 PM
Funny, I found this thread again by googling darkcoin + spaghetti  :D.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: qqNxt on October 11, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
ouch. lets see how xc gonna perform now dark is out.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: illodin on October 11, 2014, 07:11:14 PM
ouch. lets see how xc gonna perform now dark is out.

Not out by a long shot, where did you get that idea?

The bug was fixed (https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/commit/fe9fddb292a8505a8f915708d87ef27a1ddd6060) within minutes and the coin is stronger because of it.

If you're interested in DRK, did you read these btw?
https://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/InstantTX.pdf
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/paper-transaction-locking-and-masternode-consensus.2418/

Some preliminary first ideas of how DRK's instant transactions could be useful:
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/instantx-micropayments-unlocking-the-potential-for-real-push-mechanism-in-cryptocurrencies.2642/


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: TsuyokuNaritai on October 11, 2014, 07:25:25 PM
ouch. lets see how xc gonna perform now dark is out.
lol. Not a good thread to shill your favourite copycoin. XC is still closed source.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: fivebells on October 12, 2014, 12:11:19 AM
SSD is the only one with Stenography.

Where can I read about SSD's steganographic features?  I didn't see it mentioned in the ANN thread's OP.


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Cloakko on October 12, 2014, 06:13:40 PM
Funny, I found this thread again by googling darkcoin + spaghetti  :D.

I can easily retrieve this thread by googling "darkcoin exploit amateur" :D


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: TsuyokuNaritai on October 12, 2014, 10:24:49 PM
Funny, I found this thread again by googling darkcoin + spaghetti  :D.

I can easily retrieve this thread by googling "darkcoin exploit amateur" :D

:P Guess what thread you get by googling: clueless troll sock puppet lies stfu


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: fewcoins on October 17, 2014, 11:18:29 PM
I tell you what's not a lie...
Basically 5 people own almost ALL the litecoin ever mined

http://www.litecoinrichlist.com/ (http://www.litecoinrichlist.com/)


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: jwinterm on October 18, 2014, 12:08:43 AM
I tell you what's not a lie...
Basically 5 people own almost ALL the litecoin ever mined

http://www.litecoinrichlist.com/ (http://www.litecoinrichlist.com/)

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with cryptocurrency exchanges - bitfinex, cryptsy, etc.?


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: Dofus on March 18, 2015, 01:01:59 PM
Is this exploit still possible ? That would be a real shame for DRK holders who are already very stupid to follow a shitcoin like sheeps in my opinion but anyway...


Title: Re: darkcoin exploit found in 2 hours by amateur (why open source matters for anon)
Post by: qwizzie on March 18, 2015, 10:09:44 PM
Is this exploit still possible ? That would be a real shame for DRK holders who are already very stupid to follow a shitcoin like sheeps in my opinion but anyway...

cool resurrection of a long dead thread. And with regards to your question, if you really need to ask if this exploit is still possible i doubt i can explain to you the answer,
in any language.

qwizzie