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Title: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: 9kv on October 09, 2014, 07:20:04 PM
People have made computers, memory, calculators, whatever with Redstone in the game of minecraft.
Is it possible to do ripemd-160 and sha-256 and base-58 with Redstone?

This would be pretty cool.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: alani123 on October 09, 2014, 07:51:09 PM
I bet we don't have any redsnone masters in here.  ;D I've seen some advanced somputers in minecraft, but those are only capable of running basic applications like tic tac toe and such. This one is the most advanced I'm aware, please correct me if I'm wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go5qdMKZs-M

But from what I know, there is a costumizable Random Number Generator for command blocks. https://imgur.com/a/xrz66

Someone could try costomizing this and see how far it would get him.

Also you can make a Random Number Generator with vanilla redstone.
https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/126856/how-can-i-make-a-random-number-generator-with-vanilla-redstone

Source: I've tried using some of those (not for the same reason you are aksing). I failed gracefully but I've still hundreds of playhours with minecraft, most of them from the early stages of the game.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: spazzdla on October 09, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
Let me get this straight.. this is a computer built in a computer game.

If so.. that is pretty cool.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: Walter Rothbard on October 09, 2014, 08:06:14 PM
Let me get this straight.. this is a computer built in a computer game.

If so.. that is pretty cool.

For all you know, every computer you've ever used is a computer built in a computer game.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: spazzdla on October 09, 2014, 08:07:32 PM
Let me get this straight.. this is a computer built in a computer game.

If so.. that is pretty cool.

For all you know, every computer you've ever used is a computer built in a computer game.

I try not to think about the fact we might just be a simulation.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: Walter Rothbard on October 09, 2014, 08:08:59 PM
But from what I know, there is a costumizable Random Number Generator for command blocks. https://imgur.com/a/xrz66

Someone could try costomizing this and see how far it would get him.

Also you can make a Random Number Generator with vanilla redstone.
https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/126856/how-can-i-make-a-random-number-generator-with-vanilla-redstone

For Bitcoin or any other cryptographic purpose, you want to make absolutely sure that your random number generator is solid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographically_secure_pseudorandom_number_generator

Flaws in random number generation have made certain Bitcoin applications vulnerable in the last year or two.

Obviously if you don't intend to use a generated key for anything serious, it doesn't much matter how good your RNG is.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: 9kv on October 09, 2014, 09:19:14 PM
But from what I know, there is a costumizable Random Number Generator for command blocks. https://imgur.com/a/xrz66

Someone could try costomizing this and see how far it would get him.

Also you can make a Random Number Generator with vanilla redstone.
https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/126856/how-can-i-make-a-random-number-generator-with-vanilla-redstone

For Bitcoin or any other cryptographic purpose, you want to make absolutely sure that your random number generator is solid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographically_secure_pseudorandom_number_generator

Flaws in random number generation have made certain Bitcoin applications vulnerable in the last year or two.

Obviously if you don't intend to use a generated key for anything serious, it doesn't much matter how good your RNG is.
I think it would be less of a "I will use this keyset to store thousands of bitcoins" and more of a "I created a bitcoin keyset in Minecraft" :P


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: Walter Rothbard on October 09, 2014, 09:31:13 PM
But from what I know, there is a costumizable Random Number Generator for command blocks. https://imgur.com/a/xrz66

Someone could try costomizing this and see how far it would get him.

Also you can make a Random Number Generator with vanilla redstone.
https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/126856/how-can-i-make-a-random-number-generator-with-vanilla-redstone

For Bitcoin or any other cryptographic purpose, you want to make absolutely sure that your random number generator is solid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographically_secure_pseudorandom_number_generator

Flaws in random number generation have made certain Bitcoin applications vulnerable in the last year or two.

Obviously if you don't intend to use a generated key for anything serious, it doesn't much matter how good your RNG is.
I think it would be less of a "I will use this keyset to store thousands of bitcoins" and more of a "I created a bitcoin keyset in Minecraft" :P

I should certainly hope so!

But I felt it was good to put a warning out there for anyone who just doesn't quite get it...


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: Rishblitz on October 09, 2014, 10:36:32 PM
All these cool ways to mine bit coins are not at all efficient but more of a novelty item. Just like that way to mine bit coins using pen and paper.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: serenitys on October 09, 2014, 10:38:49 PM
On a semi related note on simulation - would using a steganography tool to steg offline wallets/key/password work or be a useful idea?


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: L.Detweiler on October 09, 2014, 11:35:12 PM
This is really fascinating stuff. I just don't have the time for other digital world outside of bitcoin. It would be great if you guys could keep this kind of topic fresh.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: btc-facebook on October 11, 2014, 11:35:13 PM
But from what I know, there is a costumizable Random Number Generator for command blocks. https://imgur.com/a/xrz66

Someone could try costomizing this and see how far it would get him.

Also you can make a Random Number Generator with vanilla redstone.
https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/126856/how-can-i-make-a-random-number-generator-with-vanilla-redstone

For Bitcoin or any other cryptographic purpose, you want to make absolutely sure that your random number generator is solid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographically_secure_pseudorandom_number_generator

Flaws in random number generation have made certain Bitcoin applications vulnerable in the last year or two.

Obviously if you don't intend to use a generated key for anything serious, it doesn't much matter how good your RNG is.
I think it would be less of a "I will use this keyset to store thousands of bitcoins" and more of a "I created a bitcoin keyset in Minecraft" :P

I should certainly hope so!

But I felt it was good to put a warning out there for anyone who just doesn't quite get it...
I understand the advice but I assume anyone with the technical knowhow and knowledge in cryptography enough to build a key generator in minecraft would know that it should be used to store large funds.
This would not be a good idea. minecraft is not open source so you do not know exactly what you are running when you create and store a key minecraft. Basic security principles state that any software you use  to create a private key and to store a private key should be open source so it can be reviewed by the community


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: santaClause on October 12, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
But from what I know, there is a costumizable Random Number Generator for command blocks. https://imgur.com/a/xrz66

Someone could try costomizing this and see how far it would get him.

Also you can make a Random Number Generator with vanilla redstone.
https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/126856/how-can-i-make-a-random-number-generator-with-vanilla-redstone

For Bitcoin or any other cryptographic purpose, you want to make absolutely sure that your random number generator is solid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographically_secure_pseudorandom_number_generator

Flaws in random number generation have made certain Bitcoin applications vulnerable in the last year or two.

Obviously if you don't intend to use a generated key for anything serious, it doesn't much matter how good your RNG is.
I think it would be less of a "I will use this keyset to store thousands of bitcoins" and more of a "I created a bitcoin keyset in Minecraft" :P

I should certainly hope so!

But I felt it was good to put a warning out there for anyone who just doesn't quite get it...
I understand the advice but I assume anyone with the technical knowhow and knowledge in cryptography enough to build a key generator in minecraft would know that it should be used to store large funds.
This would not be a good idea. minecraft is not open source so you do not know exactly what you are running when you create and store a key minecraft. Basic security principles state that any software you use  to create a private key and to store a private key should be open source so it can be reviewed by the community
I agree. You have the potential to either lose your private keys or they somehow will be leaked to either another user or leaked to the maker of minecraft. You should always generate your keys yourself with a proper RNG


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: 9kv on October 12, 2014, 11:46:50 PM
But from what I know, there is a costumizable Random Number Generator for command blocks. https://imgur.com/a/xrz66

Someone could try costomizing this and see how far it would get him.

Also you can make a Random Number Generator with vanilla redstone.
https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/126856/how-can-i-make-a-random-number-generator-with-vanilla-redstone

For Bitcoin or any other cryptographic purpose, you want to make absolutely sure that your random number generator is solid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographically_secure_pseudorandom_number_generator

Flaws in random number generation have made certain Bitcoin applications vulnerable in the last year or two.

Obviously if you don't intend to use a generated key for anything serious, it doesn't much matter how good your RNG is.
I think it would be less of a "I will use this keyset to store thousands of bitcoins" and more of a "I created a bitcoin keyset in Minecraft" :P

I should certainly hope so!

But I felt it was good to put a warning out there for anyone who just doesn't quite get it...
I understand the advice but I assume anyone with the technical knowhow and knowledge in cryptography enough to build a key generator in minecraft would know that it should be used to store large funds.
This would not be a good idea. minecraft is not open source so you do not know exactly what you are running when you create and store a key minecraft. Basic security principles state that any software you use  to create a private key and to store a private key should be open source so it can be reviewed by the community
He meant to say that anyone with the cryptography knowledge to make keys in Minecraft would know not to use them to store money.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: pr0d1gy on October 13, 2014, 12:03:02 AM
Let me get this straight.. this is a computer built in a computer game.

If so.. that is pretty cool.

Yo Dawg... I heard you like computers... lol

http://cf.chucklesnetwork.com/items/7/8/3/2/1/original/yo-dawg-i-heard-you-like-computers-so-we-put-a-computer-in-yo-co.jpg


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: Vortex20000 on October 13, 2014, 12:13:56 AM
I bet we don't have any redsnone masters in here.  ;D I've seen some advanced somputers in minecraft, but those are only capable of running basic applications like tic tac toe and such. This one is the most advanced I'm aware, please correct me if I'm wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go5qdMKZs-M

But from what I know, there is a costumizable Random Number Generator for command blocks. https://imgur.com/a/xrz66

Someone could try costomizing this and see how far it would get him.

Also you can make a Random Number Generator with vanilla redstone.
https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/126856/how-can-i-make-a-random-number-generator-with-vanilla-redstone

Source: I've tried using some of those (not for the same reason you are aksing). I failed gracefully but I've still hundreds of playhours with minecraft, most of them from the early stages of the game.
We do.



Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: freedomno1 on October 13, 2014, 06:20:06 AM
Let me get this straight.. this is a computer built in a computer game.

If so.. that is pretty cool.

Yep

And I guess it could be possible I mean if it can be programmed why not
Can imagine it trying to mine bitcoins kid :)


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: alani123 on October 13, 2014, 12:47:23 PM
I guess this would still be easier with just command blocks. Compare the random number generator to the computers. Which one do you think is easier to make and program?


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: Walter Rothbard on October 13, 2014, 01:25:07 PM
Let me get this straight.. this is a computer built in a computer game.

If so.. that is pretty cool.

Yo Dawg... I heard you like computers... lol

http://cf.chucklesnetwork.com/items/7/8/3/2/1/original/yo-dawg-i-heard-you-like-computers-so-we-put-a-computer-in-yo-co.jpg

lol


Suddenly I've got the urge to go fire up Nesticle, Stella, and MAME.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: R2D221 on October 13, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
All these cool ways to mine bit coins are not at all efficient but more of a novelty item. Just like that way to mine bit coins using pen and paper.

Nobody is talking about mining in this thread but rather about generating keys.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: sandykho47 on October 13, 2014, 03:58:35 PM
You try to make computer in computer  :o

I bet you need at least 1.000.000.000.000 blocks  ;D
And you computer will explode  :P

How about mine bitcoin with diamond pickaxe  :P


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: alani123 on October 14, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
You try to make computer in computer  :o

I bet you need at least 1.000.000.000.000 blocks  ;D
And you computer will explode  :P

How about mine bitcoin with diamond pickaxe  :P

There was a server that would reward you in a bitcoin amount for every block you broke. Not sure if it's still active.


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: Vortex20000 on October 15, 2014, 06:46:47 AM
You try to make computer in computer  :o

I bet you need at least 1.000.000.000.000 blocks  ;D
And you computer will explode  :P

How about mine bitcoin with diamond pickaxe  :P

There was a server that would reward you in a bitcoin amount for every block you broke. Not sure if it's still active.
It's is. minecraftcc.com


Title: Re: Generate Bitcoin keys with Minecraft Redstone?
Post by: faceplantz on October 16, 2014, 04:59:49 AM
I don't play minecraft.. That might be a problem.