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Subject says it all. NSA/Gavin Bell. Info in videos/NSA documents in URL LINKS below, this thread will be removed and covered up once again so copy/read quickly before it's gone.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tzmJ610YNOE

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

http://ciaproject.org/projects/

http://www.intelligence-world.org/tag/gavin-bell-gavin-andresen/

Welcome to Bitcoin!

If you would also like, there is a Conspiracy coin in the alt markets :D

people have been trying to create digital cash since the 80s...
That's no secret.

But it wasn't until Satoshi invented Bitcoin that it became possible.

FWIW, it doesn't matter who created bitcoin. The code is the code. That's kinda the whole point. You could prove to me that the CIA/NSA/PaulKrugman/Whoever created bitcoin and it wouldn't influence my desire to use it or hold it at all.

Let's see TOR was a NSA project (Naval Intelligence under NSA)

Most crypto think tanks and players have been funded by groups or projects that lead back to the NSA, whose job it is to be a central depository for crypto related ideas and development.

NSA most likely have insiders in any crypto related project and if Satoshi was a project, it doesn't really matter now.

It is the currency of the underground, drugs (often connected to CIA) and gambling (SEALS with Clubs is that a possble reference to Navy Seals or Naval Intelligence).

Unless you are doing huge numbers and hanging out in the USA I guess it doesn't matter if they can track who is really moving btc around.

Will they steal from wallets? I doubt it, their abilities are most likely just related to tracking movement if they have any involvement at all.

Who knows, maybe they are btc and using the dough for black ops projects.

As long as your own btc wallet is secure and the users keep coming into the network, the value is real.

All crypto related players and projects eventually lead back to intelligence org's IMO and they have back doors in Windows and most OS's now, so the spooks know who you are. Just read the Snowden doc's on how backdoored ECC is now. The spooks know everything, if you are outside the USA and not doing drugs, I doubt they will ever bother you over btc. No one has explained yet how Silk Road fell, his lawyer motioned for docs to show the original breach in TOR or BTC that led to him. No response yet, it may be the NSA.

So what if you're not doing anything major that is illegal.

The government didn't create bitcoin. The cypherpunks created bitcoin in one way or another.

@ jonald_fyookball quote: "But it wasn't until Satoshi invented Bitcoin that it became possible".

*Actually, bitcoin didn't become possible until Hal Finney figured out his "RPOW” could be added on top of Adam Back’s “HashCash” to create the solution for the Byzantine General’s Problem which prevented systems like BitGold/Bitcoin from being a reality.

It was a flaw in the website captcha.

All I know is they can't hack wallets, that's why they had to get him while a wallet was open, so all the other wallets not open are still filled with SR coin.

It wouldn't surprise me if they tracked him through TOR though.

BULLSHIT

Nope. Saying that highly suggests you don't really understand how bitcoin, or open-source ideas in general, work(s).

TOR did and still does serve a good purpose for the US military (and US LE) as well as US public policy (as allowing people in other countries to practice freedom of speech). It is a very good point that the government does still not control TOR nor do they have any kind of "back door" to TOR.

I do not believe that the NSA (or any other part of the US government) created bitcoin, but even if they did a very similar principle applies.

not that it really matters, but that makes it sound like Finney invented Bitcoin, not Satoshi.
Satoshi referend POW in his white paper first, did he not?

Whoever Satoshi was he didn't invent Bitcoin alone. It was a collaboration between Satoshi, Hal Finney and Ray Dillinger building on the previous work of Adam Back and others.

I wonder how much of it was derived from Hal's work on RPOW?

To bad we can't ask them. Two out of the three are gone.  :(

Early Bitcoin code is written in utterly non-corporate style. Looks like a work of a scientist, not of some group of professional programmers. So, for me, it's quite unlikely that Bitcoin was funded and managed project.

First bitcoin core was a windows compiled job

No one but satoshi knows what was in it

Well, you can ask Ray whatever you want. He's active here.

Bitcoin is open source, stop making up bullshit.

Cool, I didn't know that. Thanks!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tzmJ610YNOE

No evidence, just speculation.


http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

The document talks about an electronic cash system completely unlike Bitcoin. The idea of electronic cash has been around for decades.


http://ciaproject.org/projects/

No evidence, just speculation and tin-foil hats.


http://www.intelligence-world.org/tag/gavin-bell-gavin-andresen/

This page mentions the CIA Project group but has no other information.

Szabo(he goes onto great detail about it), and apparently Satoshi, had figured out that Hal Finneys “RPOW” could be used to solve the Byzantine General’s Problem, a problem in ordinary computing that demonstrates through “game theory” how a group of potential co-operators can come to the best consensus even with the possibility of having malicious operators among them. This was the final piece to the BitGold/Bitcoin puzzle.

http://www.cs.cornell.edu/courses/cs614/2004sp/papers/lsp82.pdf

http://cryptome.org/rpow.htm

Szabo: "Nakamoto improved a significant security shortcoming that my design had, namely by requiring a proof-of-work to be a node in the Byzantine-resilient peer-to-peer system to lessen the threat of an untrustworthy party controlling the majority of nodes and thus corrupting a number of important security features".

^ I did notice the op's username is a known cypherpunk pseudonym. He used to go conspiracy crazy on Dai and Szabo back in the mid 90's. I think his real name was Larry Detweiler. I'm glad I didn't press any of those links, I think I know that guy you're talking about.

Fascinating, it makes sense that he would have used his prior experience as a building block for his work with Satoshi. He definitely built on the work of Adam Back.

It's kind of funny that Bitcoin is based in part on an email spam filter. lol

@ QuestionAuthority

^ Ya, I searched a lot of that info here. Note: This does not name anyone as Satoshi in it, well it leans towards Szabo but nothing solid, it's mostly just a good timeline with good info. It has a lot of those key emails in it.

http://originalcontroltheory.tumblr.com/

No it wasn't. That's what they said, but I believe it's been rebutted by the defendants.

*unwatches thread*

Nice. I always thought Szabo was probably Satoshi or working with the group calling itself Satoshi. The anonymity makes no sense to me if it is him.

It's highly likely that the captcha went out to the open web for info and this was used to pinpoint his IP. Then again it could have been alien involvement. Either way he's just as fucked because they caught him with all the incriminating evidence in his possession.

I don't really disagree with the above. I just wanted to add that stylistically the code does resemble the work of a corporate consultant who was very experienced in padding billable hours and job security/contract security by writing idiosyncratic code.

In other words: it could be a "funded and managed project" where the staff was primarily interesting in maintaing the effective control over the code.

This is ridiculous. Does it really matter if Satoshi made it, CIA made it, my mom made it, the aliens?
Exactly who invented money/cash? Nobody even cares about that. 

I have a feeling that it was slightly more advanced then when the FBI said in their declaration. Even if it was the captcha it was almost certainly more then someone manually entering manual letters in the captcha. Ross had people attempt to pentest SR for him (they at least did pentest it and reported back to him) and I find it hard to believe that this would not be previously discovered.

I also vaguely remember reading about someone saying something about a rumor about someone warning Ross about the IP of the VPN/VPS that he used to connect to SR's servers shortly before the FBI was able to get a warrant to search the VPS (I am pretty sure it was a VPS) and when the FBI was able to search the contents of it, the server had it's contents wiped clean

OP is sol adoni's number 500 sockpuppet..
... moving on

I don't think it really matters. He's never going to see the light of day again.

http://www.wired.com/2014/10/silk-road-judge-technicality/

Tin foil hat OP :-\ of the day. Utter nonsense. Not worth further comment.

If it was really a CIA/NSA project then you'd think they'd be pushing congress to improve it's legal status so they could fund black projects with it more easily and working on ways of getting the value even higher so they could fund more projects with it.

Bitcoin is not a CIA/NSA/FBI project.  All of those have access to tens of billions per year.  Bitcoin after 5 years is worth ~$5 billion.

Jesus Christ people are gullible.  ::)

Is that a swastika on your forehead, or are you just happy to see me ?

Kitty Werthmann: A Warning to Americans --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8YCtMZcRQY&

The Austrians were bought out by the fascists with "free" health care and radios.

The Americans got oBomBa care and a cell phone.

I'm sure its just a coincidence... ::)

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stopped reading.

It wasn't, it was cover story from FBI since they gained access illegally.
Thats sad that law enforcers are breaking law.

Here is another good video about this theory....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5VC58gjnjY

Well if that's true (which is not ) , How come that Snowden didn't share any Leaked documents about Bitcoin before ??

That video is kind of stupid. On a personal note, you might want to add more cheese and bread to your diet.

How the hell is this topic not been deleted yet? (It says on the video ;D )

https://soundcloud.com/proofofbeats/whonakamoto

Oh yeah, got have the NSA and CIA in there somewhere. That would be the most interesting possibility... and here that is always the truth. Unless... Aliens?
Honestly all these threads show is how little people understand the intelligence services.

agree, even if, thats huge invention for mankind so whatever, result is awesome

Welcome back Sol Adoni.

This. TOR was created by US army, now everyone uses it because its awesome.
In any case, I think OP's theory is bollocks.

Yawn
Read this http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/conspiracy_theory_psychology_people_who_claim_to_know_the_truth_about_jfk.html

Please...

If you can begin to understand how your own mind works, you might not need to hold delusions about the world you live in.