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Title: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: El Cabron on May 20, 2012, 11:14:13 AM
100% my fault.

I had a guy send me 400 BTC. Only the address I gave him was not my address but an address that someone used to send me bitcoin in October.

1DMLq4UF1yWn9kTC8a6fvVcMzLizuShaz  this is the address.

I assume that this was a pool that I was mining at (but that is a guess).

If anyone has any ideas I would be grateful.

10% or 40 BTC reward for information that leads to the return of the coins. Meaning if I get the coins back I pay out 40 BTC to who helped me.

Thank you.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: ildubbioso on May 20, 2012, 11:39:10 AM
Well, probably you know that already, but the IP: 60.234.254.229 seems to be located in Auckland, New Zealand http://iplocationtools.com/60.234.254.229.html  

Searching for information about the address that sent money to 1DMLq4UF1yWn9kTC8a6fvVcMzLizuShaz the name of the mining pool http://eligius.st appears. Even if there are no information about the addresses on the website.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Bitsky on May 20, 2012, 12:05:37 PM
Assuming that the owner of the address is a member here, maybe you could ask Maged if he would send out a newsletter to everybody for a small donation.

I don't think everybody will read your thread.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Clipse on May 20, 2012, 12:13:05 PM
Any reason why you didnt just generate a new address for him to send coins to? I know this is after the fact but still 400BTC is a decent amount and applying caution would have prevented this.

ps. maybe its a wallet at exchange.bitparking.com , should check with doublec


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Bitsky on May 20, 2012, 12:34:22 PM
I'm just so glad it is only 400 BTC....
Only? If those are peanuts to you, feel free to give me some  :P


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: ildubbioso on May 20, 2012, 12:44:53 PM
The info I found are so useless?  :D


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Sukrim on May 20, 2012, 12:47:51 PM
Only the address I gave him was not my address but an address that someone used to send me bitcoin in October.

I looks like I sent the BTC to that address on October 23rd. I have no idea why or who it was. I will check my messages at this time.

Did you send the 1.96 BTC to that address or did you receive the 5.995 BTC (partially) from that address? Your 2 statements above seem contradicting to me.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Bitsky on May 20, 2012, 01:56:43 PM
So you don't keep track of your transactions?

It's an address you've used before, so check email, PM, IRC logs to see who sent it to you. I understand that it would be close to impossible to find out who owns a randomly created, valid address, but if you used it, it should be trivial. That's why you tag your addresses.





Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: cbeast on May 20, 2012, 02:40:58 PM
If a Bitcoin veteran can make this kind of mistake, something needs to be done to make the addressing foolproof.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: imsaguy on May 20, 2012, 02:46:23 PM
If a Bitcoin veteran can make this kind of mistake, something needs to be done to make the addressing foolproof.

Ever lose a wad of cash? It happens.  Doesn't mean the system is broken.  There's a reason bitcoin-qt client gives you a new address for each transaction.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Technomage on May 20, 2012, 02:48:43 PM
If a Bitcoin veteran can make this kind of mistake, something needs to be done to make the addressing foolproof.
Nothing needs to be done about this. It was a valid address, just an old one. I seriously don't know how someone can be so careless to lose 400 BTC this way and it wasn't even 400, that was lucky. It could have been 3000. I re-check the addresses I either send to or give someone else even if it's 1 BTC. For a 3000 BTC amount I would triple check. This sounded like he just copy pasted some random address while surfing porn meanwhile.

I'm sorry for the loss but saying that this requires changes from Bitcoin is ridiculous.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: cbeast on May 20, 2012, 03:17:47 PM
If a Bitcoin veteran can make this kind of mistake, something needs to be done to make the addressing foolproof.
Nothing needs to be done about this. It was a valid address, just an old one. I seriously don't know how someone can be so careless to lose 400 BTC this way and it wasn't even 400, that was lucky. It could have been 3000. I re-check the addresses I either send to or give someone else even if it's 1 BTC. For a 3000 BTC amount I would triple check. This sounded like he just copy pasted some random address while surfing porn meanwhile.

I'm sorry for the loss but saying that this requires changes from Bitcoin is ridiculous.
I don't mean a change in Bitcoin, just make the client a little more idiot proof. For instance, the address book and the transaction pages look very similar and could be confused if one were distracted. Maybe simply requiring a label would help this.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Clipse on May 20, 2012, 03:23:28 PM
Here is the main problem like most issues in technology, user-error! You cant fix user-errors and trying to reduce user-error could just turn into code-errors.

If someone is doing finances and get distracted, maybe they should not being doing finances at all. That said whatever goat did/didnt do is his responsibily and he stated so himself.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: teflone on May 20, 2012, 04:12:01 PM
Jesus...

a fool and his money soon part...


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: hazek on May 20, 2012, 04:53:16 PM
Jesus...

a fool and his money soon part...

Not nice to kick the guy while he's already down...  ::)


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: cbeast on May 20, 2012, 05:07:37 PM
Jesus...

a fool and his money soon part...

Not nice to kick the guy while he's already down...  ::)
That's kind of the point. If Bitcoin is like cash and this is like losing a wad of cash, who does that? It happens very rarely with fiat cash, but frequently with Bitcoin.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: fabrizziop on May 20, 2012, 05:23:01 PM
You must have lots of money to not care about 400 BTC you lost. Anyway, sorry for the unhelpful message, I hope you get your 360 BTC.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: lulzplzkthx on May 20, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
You must have lots of money to not care about 400 BTC you lost. Anyway, sorry for the unhelpful message, I hope you get your 360 BTC.

He clearly does care, or he wouldn't have posted this.

Also, sorry I don't have any information for you.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: FreeMoney on May 20, 2012, 05:59:38 PM
Jesus...

a fool and his money soon part...

Not nice to kick the guy while he's already down...  ::)
That's kind of the point. If Bitcoin is like cash and this is like losing a wad of cash, who does that? It happens very rarely with fiat cash, but frequently with Bitcoin.

I think they are both pretty rare (by which I mean people lose cash 1000000x more often that bitcoins). If there is some loss-per-use-imbalance against Bitcoin it's because people have had way less time and practice with it.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: EskimoBob on May 20, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
I bet I am not the only one who likes to ask: Goat, who is that four eyed fat white fuck on your icon? How much did he pay for you to get the picture taken?
   


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: film2240 on May 20, 2012, 06:35:58 PM
I'm just so glad it is only 400 BTC....
Only? If those are peanuts to you, feel free to give me some  :P
I was just thinking that.I could use some of that.Anyways, I'll help by checking all my btc accounts. Just wish my 2 BTC clients didn't take such a longtime to show me (it's refreshing blockchain info atm) whether or not I recieved channgs 400BTC by mistake or not


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: casascius on May 20, 2012, 06:40:05 PM
I think it should be possible to find numerous other addresses that belong to the same wallet...

for example, all of these other addresses must be in the same wallet because they combined funds from that address within a transaction.

1EJqEgnZzjdGgGNJYd4LyZ6Q1VDw3DfqZY
13ooNQrbe7GnV9VvLiTfhf4L2iu1cPHED2
1BwX9YPVGnhnwKzkT3qjP5aXLitkt3jNEo
17Xm25WrxNaytY8wrYSYcqX9XW2Gx7YoSA
1H471yWN6CfEqepPmzehGAmMxBDLVJ6SNN
1B8fTwn6FPe3GUHMDJLcav4qHHcU1XWVaA
164jeidGsDbJYKDMSAs6aerMmFY3hCgqum

Here are a bunch more addresses that might be part of that same wallet - but only if some assumptions I have made about which is the "change" and which isn't are correct.  This payer seems to habitually pay amounts just 0.005 BTC shy of a full bitcoin.  (It could be a service that charges a 0.005 transaction fee on withdrawals)

1KXNSsa4B6fSMeL6dif3eYsj3LvVAKnfWR
13hSfg1fjbPG8z1MR7gyxosysYGjEf5wc3
1BY561eAqtaRScvx7cKzNp6cqxU7joxoN4
1SRkzLgZwjuNcfmTzpWuTyV6wCNNAgJEX
18nKwh2EFexX8rx1XvTNip2J9dforHpGrn
1M4xpwJGoTVmVgiswvEyYhr964EwKejD18
1HZx6ekPuVGuzkePNynTYhno1NefSGa4HT
17yqzuZBBWYLeFYZeN3f1xbXQS5Ee1SYNV
15UUvE2nAQ1RocSiCmb28y4CD6uvwhVErx
14ULRw47osGnACc6i9JMyJP2oYv6Ct6ZSM
1Ade8DBpwjCBCZAGrJPZyJgSHnDbrWGUjS
1Pu37ASqGtfYCJghbTh3GUcEJrg9J6isnA
1M3xcMsYT8sUJ9y7DFVhjFKMPjNuT3gJbe
1FRyj6fZ1LugCZyZ36xYeJDKEVTKhFbXQ1
1Ge78XW4REMcP6PF4pn6WfGGG8WHaSXEYp
1NpozNnumS8dkQMJknmjWSa5jhYEn8w4e4
18NenGcKKCm9K2P9F2NiXA7hwC6ZXX9Q9G
1DzgXxR5uM1nRfymW75ZHiojatuCWHM848
17XzWqEferzhCpeM5VfaxV7zEvwzkZp6c1
1dE1mxFDjL8GXia59xtjGx2QLqhfbDfJx
1CebLe1FN4KfWkuezGFH7dK89ffSJDCg1y
1NE8Z6Ec6GSCUiBah4KNcWHNW1Af1zUAtH
1tCmE7CgBLqpMa9zH69sh7cGK9YdsQxq4
1NwXrF67LBJnknJ9TD4aypEW42Qv3P6JaV
1Fo2EnSF4VAURUMTAJYZkSRXAdWHSLrPpX
18oycKHEU7a51iyUomhyycFQsZSUTbHA1f
1PCyTxPbVbX7hhjKhbXKB1SiwVaAeH3Ak8


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: film2240 on May 20, 2012, 06:54:54 PM
I got a link that can help us follow this up more easily: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1DMLq4UF1yWn9kTC8a6fvVcMzLizuShaz (http://blockexplorer.com/address/1DMLq4UF1yWn9kTC8a6fvVcMzLizuShaz)


I saw a lot of smaller (split) transactions here: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1N3z4a7YDf6A7GAWRuv9asLLuxtPvo2fKX (http://blockexplorer.com/address/1N3z4a7YDf6A7GAWRuv9asLLuxtPvo2fKX)
after following one of the leads from the first address I saw (one with 400BTC).


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Maged on May 20, 2012, 07:41:52 PM
Client: Satoshi
Fees are manually set to 0.001/kb. Sometimes an old client that uses .01/kb is used.
User has received funds from a service that gives out bitcoins, but at various exact amounts, as a sendmany.
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/1914667/131cc29906bb30cb6cf5921648ffe75cdbffc109a083fc18c9b4fd3cd06176e9
User was paid by someone that was a StrongCoin user:
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/1914644/05c5a67b4657c6bf6329a656a63eb03f6629fc16eec23539e896e649d844ec5d

Transactions are also quite frequent and small. Probability that this is an e-wallet: 90%

Could it be instawallet?


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: guruvan on May 20, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
did you send it to one of your own old instawallet accounts?  :D


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: twobitcoins on May 20, 2012, 08:20:30 PM
As casascius pointed out, the person (or wallet) you sent the money to tends to make payments that are 0.005 BTC less than a round number.  Looking at the addresses that those payments went to, some of them appear to be addresses that were posted in this thread: Break My Website | Cheaper in Bitcoins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49446.0).

For example:

  • 1AvZBfz7txnLHsLVna9Liw7tFCKZTgqTyM (http://blockexplorer.com/tx/2f4711c8298d461234455d2b029631be71386d65e6f1fc0bc5881151421e50e6#o1)
  • 14GRFHDKQgpwkBDfANAum3MBpJsFKBvz9g (http://blockexplorer.com/tx/12a9b359421007226c18312ad22c29664209263830991268b08d504027a75d84#o1)

Therefore, I would suggest that your 1.96 BTC and 400 BTC were sent to Xenland, or at least to a wallet service that he was using at the time.  I would suggest contacting him to see if he has them, or if he can tell you which service does.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: SaltySpitoon on May 20, 2012, 08:24:06 PM
I hope this all gets straightened out, but next time, send the 400 btc to 1AQ52f8q4PEfVBp4VqWSVm2i4qaLkXPsiG, Id be more than happy to send you 360 back  ;D.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: wachtwoord on May 20, 2012, 09:05:07 PM
If a Bitcoin veteran can make this kind of mistake, something needs to be done to make the addressing foolproof.
Nothing needs to be done about this. It was a valid address, just an old one. I seriously don't know how someone can be so careless to lose 400 BTC this way and it wasn't even 400, that was lucky. It could have been 3000. I re-check the addresses I either send to or give someone else even if it's 1 BTC. For a 3000 BTC amount I would triple check. This sounded like he just copy pasted some random address while surfing porn meanwhile.

I'm sorry for the loss but saying that this requires changes from Bitcoin is ridiculous.

Only triple check for 3k BTC? May be I'm nuts but I still check 5+ times for amounts that size even for normal bank transfers. May be I'll tune it down when I'm crazy rich :)


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: organofcorti on May 20, 2012, 11:12:22 PM
Sorry to hear about this, Goat. Time to generate a bunch of vanity addresses -  might help with large sum payments. I hope the recipient does the right thing.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: teflone on May 20, 2012, 11:58:42 PM
I bet I am not the only one who likes to ask: Goat, who is that four eyed fat white fuck on your icon? How much did he pay for you to get the picture taken?
   

LMAO!!!

I nearly fell out of my chair when I read this...  too fucking funny :D

Like others said..

How you did this without checking your address's is beyond me..   

Must be nice to be able to afford slip ups like this...


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: ZodiacDragon84 on May 21, 2012, 12:15:26 AM
Jesus...

a fool and his money soon part...

Not nice to kick the guy while he's already down...  ::)
That's kind of the point. If Bitcoin is like cash and this is like losing a wad of cash, who does that? It happens very rarely with fiat cash, but frequently with Bitcoin.

I know I have lost a bit of cash in my time. carelessness is a dick sometimes. Chin up goat.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: shockD on May 21, 2012, 01:45:59 AM
After reading the thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54467.msg725260#msg725260, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.




Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: organofcorti on May 21, 2012, 01:50:17 AM
After reading the thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54467.msg725260#msg725260, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


I have no idea what you're talking about. gmaxwell was off on some weird/trollish rant that I didn't really follow. Goat's responses on the other hand seemed pretty reasonable.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: lulzplzkthx on May 21, 2012, 01:51:50 AM
After reading the thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54467.msg725260#msg725260, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


I have no idea what you're talking about. gmaxwell was off on some weird/trollish rant that I didn't really follow. Goat's responses on the other hand seemed pretty reasonable.

Agreed. Recheck what you posted shockD.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: shockD on May 21, 2012, 01:53:21 AM
After reading the thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54467.msg725260#msg725260, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


I have no idea what you're talking about. gmaxwell was off on some weird/trollish rant that I didn't really follow. Goat's responses on the other hand seemed pretty reasonable.

Interesting, I read exactly the reverse into that and didn't find his responses reasonable at all.



Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: organofcorti on May 21, 2012, 01:55:20 AM
Which quote seems more reasonable to you?

So what should someone who's been mining for you do when after they use their mined coins to buy Alpaca Socks law enforcement shows up and tells them that their coins were the marked proceeds from a sting operation related to drugs, arms sales, child porn trade, or that they were bitcoins reported previously stolen and that they have a warrants to seize all their computers to look for evidence?

You are a mod so you should know better than to troll my thread:/    If you have an evidence please post it in my thread, if you are listening to slander by my competitors well then you are a fool. There are highly respected member of the community who know exactly what I do and no it is not illegal or even borderline.

You want to know how my service works? Read the FAQ like everyone else or send me a PM. You do not like me reselling hashing power then don't send me hashing power. Free market deal with it.

WTF? Alpaca socks? Marked coins? Is this an alternative universe?


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: shockD on May 21, 2012, 01:59:32 AM
That part was cartoonishly presented, but the important part that you left out was the legitimate question that follows:

Quote

The word on IRC is that these private services which pay >100% PPS in BTC for mining are doing this because they're attempting to get rid of 'dirty' coins which could potentially be traced in exchange for freshly mined coins.  Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all, but if it's true don't the miners have a right to know what role they're playing in this and what risk they're taking?

Have I got it wrong?  Can you help me understand what the business is here?


Certainly a reasonable question.



Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: organofcorti on May 21, 2012, 02:37:03 AM
That part was cartoonishly presented, but the important part that you left out was the legitimate question that follows:

Quote

The word on IRC is that these private services which pay >100% PPS in BTC for mining are doing this because they're attempting to get rid of 'dirty' coins which could potentially be traced in exchange for freshly mined coins.  Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all, but if it's true don't the miners have a right to know what role they're playing in this and what risk they're taking?

Have I got it wrong?  Can you help me understand what the business is here?


Certainly a reasonable question.


Everyone knows Goat was doing a pool hopping proxy, so it's not much of a question now. And ignoring that - marked coins? Tainted coins spread so rapidly that before long everyone has some. As for " Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all" then for a miner gmaxwell didn't think too hard. Pool hopping was the first thing that came to my mind.

What gmaxwell say can be said for many ventures in btc-land. Maybe he hassles everyone equally - I don't know. But what Goat was doing was plain to me from the outset.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: shockD on May 21, 2012, 03:53:49 AM
The university sent over two girls to learn about "business administration" and well... Let us just say they were extremely friendly with each other and myself.

CSB


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: BinaryMage on May 21, 2012, 04:18:29 AM
Well, apparently someone considered this of tantamount importance to Bitcoin vulnerabilities; it got posted in the site-wide News bar.

"If you've unexpectedly received 400 BTC, please contact Goat."

Valiant, but probably futile.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: teflone on May 21, 2012, 04:25:08 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49446.msg588947#msg588947

This seems to be somewhat connected?

Maybe I did send coins to cheaper in Bitcoins?



How is anything in that thread related to your 400 coins ? just asking


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Maged on May 21, 2012, 04:48:44 AM
Where ever you sent the coins, Xenland knows where. It would have been whatever service he sent that bounty from.

Sadly, I'm not familiar with the e-wallet that has their fees set like that. My guess is instawallet, but I don't know for sure.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: twobitcoins on May 21, 2012, 04:54:56 AM
I got this in an email..

> You sent 1.96 to 1DMLq4UF1yWn9kTC8a6fvVcMzLizuShaz
>    (2011-10-23 txn 369db3a7355339a768e31d8197bdfb6170e73a205deef52caf35b64969c60000)
>
> from there 0.01035843 btc went to 1HZx6ekPuVGuzkePNynTYhno1NefSGa4HT
>    (2011-10-23 txn a5384746ab9ece2733d3b3f13c9e3f6815f428ce0954a735a7742a80c7548965)
>
> and from there 0.995 btc went to 14GRFHDKQgpwkBDfANAum3MBpJsFKBvz9g
>    (2011-10-24 txn 12a9b359421007226c18312ad22c29664209263830991268b08d504027a75d84)
>
>
> That last address is owned by user mute20, see
>  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49446.msg588947#msg588947

And Maged said something about the same company. Maybe we are getting close?

Yes, exactly.  That's one of the addresses mentioned in my post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82600.msg911212#msg911212).  Here is my explanation for the other:

Transaction a5384746ab9ece2733d3b3f13c9e3f6815f428ce0954a735a7742a80c7548965 (http://blockexplorer.com/tx/a5384746ab9ece2733d3b3f13c9e3f6815f428ce0954a735a7742a80c7548965), which spent your 1.96 BTC, also spent 0.01053468 BTC, which came from transaction 13b3f304e35a08d7942db489c1d02ce54a65ec0ffbfbb35263c4dbefd3432669 (http://blockexplorer.com/tx/13b3f304e35a08d7942db489c1d02ce54a65ec0ffbfbb35263c4dbefd3432669).

In that transaction, the 0.01053468 BTC seem to be the change.  The other output was 0.995 BTC to address 1AvZBfz7txnLHsLVna9Liw7tFCKZTgqTyM (http://blockexplorer.com/address/1AvZBfz7txnLHsLVna9Liw7tFCKZTgqTyM).  That address was posted by user Cory in the same thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49446.msg588933#msg588933).

So it seems very clear that you sent your 1.96 BTC to the same wallet that Xenland sent his payments from in that thread.  It is not necessarily his wallet -- it could be an online service.

I sent a PM to Xenland and he said:

Quote from: Xenland
I checked all my bitcoin wallets and didn't seem to find any 400BTC or anything of that big.

I then asked if he remembered sending those payments from an online service.  His reply:

Quote from: Xenland
If memory serves correctly I'm pretty sure I was sending them straight from my wallet but then again I do remmeber not having enough funds and going somwhere else for the payment, perhaps mtgox? campbx? I use to use Bitcoin7 as well back at that time...mmmm i'm pretty sure it it came from my old wallet I'll keep my eye out for backup wallets tho.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Maged on May 21, 2012, 05:07:21 AM
It's not CampBX or MtGox - they create a different pattern in the blockchain.

Sadly, Bitcoin7 fits the bill, as far as I know (I'd have to see a bitcoin transfer to/from them to compare). I'm so sorry Goat.
Wait... That's not possible. Give me a sec to think this over...

It could be MtGox. I just don't remember what their pattern looked like back then. Nope. Can't have been them.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Xenland on May 21, 2012, 05:15:47 AM
So i keep getting PM's and to stop them all here is my response: From my understanding, Apparently I sent Bitcoins from the Bitcoin address listed in the above reported accidental incident. I've looked through  all my backups and I have not found 401.xx BTC or any outrageously large numbers - actually to my disappointment I found a few satoshis'. Anyways if I do happen to find the wallet I was using I will be sure to alert the OP that I can send the funds.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Xenland on May 21, 2012, 05:18:38 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49446.msg588947#msg588947

This seems to be somewhat connected?

Maybe I did send coins to cheaper in Bitcoins?



How is anything in that thread related to your 400 coins ? just asking

I'm curious still how I'm involved with this -- especially this address linked in particular i didn't see a connection?


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Maged on May 21, 2012, 05:21:05 AM
Xenland, were you using a load-balanced client system? Whoever owns this wallet was either constantly switching fees, or they were running more than one client on the same wallet.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: twobitcoins on May 21, 2012, 05:22:48 AM
How about GLBSE?

I found a reference to a 0.005 BTC withdrawal fee in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47490.msg813449#msg813449).

Also Xenland uses GLBSE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48940.0).

Goat, perhaps you sent the 400 BTC to your GLBSE deposit address?


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Maged on May 21, 2012, 05:37:02 AM
How about GLBSE?

I found a reference to a 0.005 BTC withdrawal fee in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47490.msg813449#msg813449).

Also Xenland uses GLBSE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48940.0).

Goat, perhaps you sent the 400 BTC to your GLBSE deposit address?
Verified.
Will there still be the .01 btc withdrawl fee, or are you lowering it to .0005? Is the minimum withdrawl size still in effect?

Withdrawl fee will be 0.001, min withdrawl being 0.5btc, thats reasonable right?
Fees match the pattern.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: twobitcoins on May 21, 2012, 05:38:12 AM
Could be GLBSE. I think I was using it back then. Not 100% sure.   I sure picked a fail address lol. It's what I get for multitasking, lol.

If you don't see the funds in your GLBSE account, contact Nefario.  He may be able to find the funds in an old wallet.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: brendio on May 21, 2012, 08:04:13 AM
it is not in my glbse 2 account. i will have to check the 1 account. thanks for the help guys and i will keep you updated.
Old deposit addresses were one-use only (with Nefario needing to manually add repeat deposits).

In 2.0, I think you can reuse addresses.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: BTCurious on May 21, 2012, 08:08:56 AM
Xenland is misunderstanding.
He has looked for 400 bitcoins in his wallets. This is not the information Goat needs from him.

So it seems very clear that you sent your 1.96 BTC to the same wallet that Xenland sent his payments from in that thread.  It is not necessarily his wallet -- it could be an online service.
The 400 coins of course won't show up in Xenland's wallets. What goat needs to know from Xenland, is who/what service the address belonged to, that both Goat and Xenland sent money to.

Just my 2 cents. Feel free to uh, pm Xenland about this again or something, I'm not going to do that :)


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Clipse on May 21, 2012, 08:13:34 AM
Xenland is misunderstanding.
He has looked for 400 bitcoins in his wallets. This is not the information Goat needs from him.

So it seems very clear that you sent your 1.96 BTC to the same wallet that Xenland sent his payments from in that thread.  It is not necessarily his wallet -- it could be an online service.
The 400 coins of course won't show up in Xenland's wallets. What goat needs to know from Xenland, is who/what service the address belonged to, that both Goat and Xenland sent money to.

Just my 2 cents. Feel free to uh, pm Xenland about this again or something, I'm not going to do that :)

Maybe some donation site? mmm


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Clipse on May 21, 2012, 09:02:58 AM
my guess is glbse or a donation somewhere...



Faucet maybe? lol

Did it grow by 400BTC by any chance.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Xenland on May 21, 2012, 10:42:17 AM
Xenland is misunderstanding.
He has looked for 400 bitcoins in his wallets. This is not the information Goat needs from him.

So it seems very clear that you sent your 1.96 BTC to the same wallet that Xenland sent his payments from in that thread.  It is not necessarily his wallet -- it could be an online service.
The 400 coins of course won't show up in Xenland's wallets. What goat needs to know from Xenland, is who/what service the address belonged to, that both Goat and Xenland sent money to.

Just my 2 cents. Feel free to uh, pm Xenland about this again or something, I'm not going to do that :)

ehrrr??? That actually sorta cleared up some confusion but still sorta lost how I am required of any information. If I'm being asked what service I sent from its my wallet or glbse or possibly mtgox. but if i'm asked what service I sent it too lol i have no idea.....


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bulanula on May 21, 2012, 12:27:45 PM
Hope you get your coins back Goat, you are a good guy !

I would have jumped off a roof if I lost 400 BTC :D


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Xenland on May 21, 2012, 12:57:40 PM
Xenland is misunderstanding.
He has looked for 400 bitcoins in his wallets. This is not the information Goat needs from him.

So it seems very clear that you sent your 1.96 BTC to the same wallet that Xenland sent his payments from in that thread.  It is not necessarily his wallet -- it could be an online service.
The 400 coins of course won't show up in Xenland's wallets. What goat needs to know from Xenland, is who/what service the address belonged to, that both Goat and Xenland sent money to.

Just my 2 cents. Feel free to uh, pm Xenland about this again or something, I'm not going to do that :)

ehrrr??? That actually sorta cleared up some confusion but still sorta lost how I am required of any information. If I'm being asked what service I sent from its my wallet or glbse or possibly mtgox. but if i'm asked what service I sent it too lol i have no idea.....

yeah, i do not blame you at all for not remembering, i have no idea what i did 6 months ago either:)
Good luck mate!


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: BTCurious on May 21, 2012, 03:35:15 PM
Xenland is misunderstanding.
He has looked for 400 bitcoins in his wallets. This is not the information Goat needs from him.

So it seems very clear that you sent your 1.96 BTC to the same wallet that Xenland sent his payments from in that thread.  It is not necessarily his wallet -- it could be an online service.
The 400 coins of course won't show up in Xenland's wallets. What goat needs to know from Xenland, is who/what service the address belonged to, that both Goat and Xenland sent money to.

Just my 2 cents. Feel free to uh, pm Xenland about this again or something, I'm not going to do that :)

ehrrr??? That actually sorta cleared up some confusion but still sorta lost how I am required of any information. If I'm being asked what service I sent from its my wallet or glbse or possibly mtgox. but if i'm asked what service I sent it too lol i have no idea.....
Yeah, they wanted to know what you sent it to. But if you can't remember or can't find out, then that's too bad.
There's 40 BTC if you do remember though.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: twobitcoins on May 21, 2012, 04:20:20 PM
Yeah, they wanted to know what you sent it to. But if you can't remember or can't find out, then that's too bad.
There's 40 BTC if you do remember though.

No.  The question is what service Xenland was sending from when he made the payments to people in this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49446).  According to evidence in the block chain, the service that received Goat's original 1.96 BTC (and the 400 BTC) is the same as the service that sent payments to the addresses in that thread.

I think it is GLBSE.  Goat, did you contact Nefario yet?  I'm trying to resist PMing more people on your behalf.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Xenland on May 22, 2012, 01:44:25 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46509.0

I think this might be where my coins went.

Xenland, Did you happen to ever play this game as well?

Thanks.
Oh yeah that brings back nostalgia, that game does... So yeah i'd have to say I have played it before maybe once or twice.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: ineededausername on May 22, 2012, 01:46:26 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46509.0

I think this might be where my coins went.

Xenland, Did you happen to ever play this game as well?

Thanks.
Oh yeah that brings back nostalgia, that game does... So yeah i'd have to say I have played it before maybe once or twice.

That game gave me 0.6 BTC when I had 0 in my wallet... I made a very, very high return on that 0.6 :)


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Maged on May 22, 2012, 04:45:44 AM
Is there a way we can rules this out 100%?   I so thought I was on the right track :(
No, but would 90% be good enough?

I already told you, the address you sent to was used by a client that had a unique transaction fee set up: 0.001 BTC/kb. That exactly matches GLBSE at the time. Continue trying to follow up with Nefario.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bbit on May 22, 2012, 01:37:56 PM
Good luck with this sounds nasty :/


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: os2sam on May 22, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
If a Bitcoin veteran can make this kind of mistake, something needs to be done to make the addressing foolproof.

Making anything "foolproof" just breeds more efficient fools.

Maybe a higher expectation of people to exercise a little bit of personal responsibility would be more productive.

It seems to me Goat has demonstrated the proper attitude in taking responsibility and helping us all to learn a valuable lesson.

But hey, I'm just weird that way,
Sam


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: os2sam on May 22, 2012, 03:52:39 PM
If a Bitcoin veteran can make this kind of mistake, something needs to be done to make the addressing foolproof.

Making anything "foolproof" just breeds more efficient fools.

Maybe a higher expectation of people to exercise a little bit of personal responsibility would be more productive.

It seems to me Goat has demonstrated the proper attitude in taking responsibility and helping us all to learn a valuable lesson.

But hey, I'm just weird that way,
Sam

Well bitcoin is not foolproof enough for my parents and it will never be for my grandparents. and yeah, i fucked up and I was multi tasking and very distracted.

The community here has helped me track it down to odds are GLBSE 1.0 so maybe I have a shot of getting it back.

if so that would be awesome. I did open a ticket about it at the request of nefario and I know he is busy and fail like this is not, nor should be his priority.



I hope your successful in getting your coins back.  Even the possibility says allot about the bitcoin community.

To make transactions more foolproof will ultimately take away the anonymity and privacy that is now inherent in Bitcoin.

In time there will be more mature services and new devices which will ameliorate error's like this, if one chooses to make use of them and therefore relinquish some privacy and anonymity.
Sam


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Otoh on May 22, 2012, 04:01:50 PM
following, any side bets yet on it's being recovered  ;)


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: os2sam on May 22, 2012, 04:12:50 PM
anonymity and privacy?

the total lack of this is how people were able to tell me what I did 6 months ago!

Isn't that because the address you paid to had been made public by it's owner?


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Maged on May 22, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
anonymity and privacy?

the total lack of this is how people were able to tell me what I did 6 months ago!

Isn't that because the address you paid to had been made public by it's owner?

no, maged figured it out by using skills i lack.
Just to clarify, twobitcoins did most of the work. I just verified the information using a different method of blockchain analysis that required a deeper knowledge of clients and the protocol.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: VEscudero on May 22, 2012, 10:07:38 PM
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

Hello guys,

I have to say that it was really me the person who sent the 400 bitcoins to the address that Goat said.
I thought Goat was the kind of person I could really trust my money and as such I made a deal with him to purchase some of his bonds at an agreed upon pre-IPO price.

In order to make the reserve, I had to send the coins before the IPO so following his instructions I send my coins to the address he gave me. Although I planned to send higher amounts of money, fortunately I decided to send 400 BTCs first and wait for Goat's confirmation before sending the rest of the coins.

Following my plan I sent the first 400 bitcoins to him but two hours later I got a PM from Goat asking me to stop sending more bitcoins to that address. I did not know what had happened until I got another message from him. In the new message he said that he gave me a bad address, it was 100% his fault and he was willing to pay me back.

I fully trusted his word so despite this mistake I keep on making business with him, but this time sending the bitcoins to a new bitcoin address that he fully double check in order to be sure he could receive the coins.

Today Goat has successfully transferred the bonds I bought so he really kept his word.

I would like to give public recognition to Goat, as he has taken care of this issue and assume full responsibility for his fault from the very first moment.

As a bitcoin trader, for me trust is the only thing as valuable as bitcoin. As now Goat's reputation and trustworthiness is on the rise I am confident that he will recover from this loss very soon and make big money as people will really want to do business with someone like him.

Victor Escudero.
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Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bitpop on May 23, 2012, 05:02:25 AM
Great to hear


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: shockD on May 23, 2012, 08:26:48 AM
this is so fucking stupid


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: organofcorti on May 23, 2012, 08:44:18 AM
this is so fucking stupid

Showing the world the non-scam, community minded aspect of Bitcoin is stupid? Only if you're happy for Bitcoin to languish in it's current financial ghetto.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: doublec on May 23, 2012, 09:25:25 AM
ps. maybe its a wallet at exchange.bitparking.com , should check with doublec
I checked the exchange and the address doesn't belong to that wallet. Would you have used any of the other exchanges I ran? (i0coin, ixcoin, solidcoin, etc). I think they were running about that time.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Raize on May 23, 2012, 09:20:21 PM
this is so fucking stupid

Actually, I think it's brilliant. I mean, obviously he can't recover the coin unless he addresses the community, and if it is found it'll be a win for the community as a whole and another confirmation that techies and geeks are far more honest and trustworthy than the financial elites that are presently running world monetary policy.

It's come down to a game of trust that fiat money is losing to algorithmic money. And for good reason, we can't just print more of it and give it to our buddies.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: organofcorti on May 24, 2012, 04:12:39 AM
Fantastic! Is this the only example of a large sum of btc being returned after an accidental payment? Kudos to GLBSE.

Glad it all turned out so well.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bitpop on May 24, 2012, 04:13:11 AM
I would like to ask for 0.05 btc
1JSTuR14XLBSDKzUxjiwkXguLPyW8mqkWQ


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: ShadowAlexey on May 24, 2012, 05:32:31 AM
Actually GLBSE is the only place where you can hope that they return your funds,and most likely this was Goat`s address, so shouldn't they do that themselves?


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: brendio on May 24, 2012, 06:16:14 AM
Actually GLBSE is the only place where you can hope that they return your funds,and most likely this was Goat`s address, so shouldn't they do that themselves?

it is not in my glbse 2 account. i will have to check the 1 account. thanks for the help guys and i will keep you updated.
Old deposit addresses were one-use only (with Nefario needing to manually add repeat deposits).

In 2.0, I think you can reuse addresses.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bitpop on May 24, 2012, 06:18:56 AM
lol bulnula


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. Help please 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Otoh on May 24, 2012, 03:23:28 PM
How about GLBSE?

I found a reference to a 0.005 BTC withdrawal fee in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47490.msg813449#msg813449).

Also Xenland uses GLBSE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48940.0).

Goat, perhaps you sent the 400 BTC to your GLBSE deposit address?

congrats all for the great detective work, not obvious from only a 1.96 BTC. sent to the address months before & good to see a happy ending, kudos to GLBSE & to think that was nearly a 3,000 coin going awol - are newbies putting so much in to your PPT (I assume) wow & definitely invest some hashing power in vanity 1Goat... addresses


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bulanula on May 24, 2012, 04:00:46 PM
I am very pleased to report that this has a very happy ending:)

Today when I woke up I found 400 BTC in my GLBSE account. I also had an e-mail from GLBSE support letting me know that they had moved over the funds!

Very epic thank you GLBSE staff/ Nefario for going out of your way to assist me.


I would like to ask Maged to help in dividing the 40 BTC reward. 40 BTC will be given out for sure, but I do not have the technological understanding to know who helped the most and who should get what share.

Thank you all!


@Bulanula

Did you read this?


For all those don't know, a guy accidentally sent Bulanula 25BTC, proved it was his address and Bulanula publicly acknowledges receiving it but refused to return it, earning a Scammer Tag.

More trash talk from the biggest SoiledCon supporter on the forums.

I did not want to give him a refund after he attacked me publicly. I offered instead 10 months ( what he paid for with the 25 BTC ) of sig ad space and 2 months bonus but the guy did not want this and he wanted me scammer tagged for not giving him the refund. Lame but I don't care anyway.








Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bulanula on May 24, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
I saw it and I would have done the same if somebody sent me XXX BTC for nothing. I

My case was different. Because he attacked me without giving me chance to return the 22.5 BTC I refused to give refund but instead chose to give him service he paid for.

He did not want to accept service but wanted to get me scammer tag and never see the BTC back.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: casascius on May 24, 2012, 05:12:22 PM
I saw it and I would have done the same if somebody sent me XXX BTC for nothing. I

My case was different. Because he attacked me without giving me chance to return the 22.5 BTC I refused to give refund but instead chose to give him service he paid for.

He did not want to accept service but wanted to get me scammer tag and never see the BTC back.

This is a load of crap - there's 25 pages of indefensible excuses as to why he doesn't want to give the money back.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78386

tl;dr: they can all be ignored.  Bulanula owes the 22.5 BTC, has no good reason for keeping it, there is no question he owes it (based on his own admissions), and is just being a jerk.  All of his "official forum scammer" crap is just a diversion to make his real scammer tag look like it's just a joke.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Maged on May 24, 2012, 06:35:28 PM
I would like to ask Maged to help in dividing the 40 BTC reward. 40 BTC will be given out for sure, but I do not have the technological understanding to know who helped the most and who should get what share.

Thank you all!
Sure thing.

casascius:
I think it should be possible to find numerous other addresses that belong to the same wallet...

for example, all of these other addresses must be in the same wallet because they combined funds from that address within a transaction.

...

Here are a bunch more addresses that might be part of that same wallet - but only if some assumptions I have made about which is the "change" and which isn't are correct.  This payer seems to habitually pay amounts just 0.005 BTC shy of a full bitcoin.  (It could be a service that charges a 0.005 transaction fee on withdrawals)

...
That might be worth 5-10%, as it helped point out how the e-wallet worked. Someone in the know could have used this to determine that it was GLBSE

Maged:
Client: Satoshi
Fees are manually set to 0.001/kb. Sometimes an old client that uses .01/kb is used.
User has received funds from a service that gives out bitcoins, but at various exact amounts, as a sendmany.
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/1914667/131cc29906bb30cb6cf5921648ffe75cdbffc109a083fc18c9b4fd3cd06176e9
User was paid by someone that was a StrongCoin user:
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/1914644/05c5a67b4657c6bf6329a656a63eb03f6629fc16eec23539e896e649d844ec5d

Transactions are also quite frequent and small. Probability that this is an e-wallet: 90%

Could it be instawallet?
Identified it as an e-wallet. Again, someone who knew more about GLBSE would have identified them immediately after reading this post, as I show in the next quote:
How about GLBSE?

I found a reference to a 0.005 BTC withdrawal fee in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47490.msg813449#msg813449).

Also Xenland uses GLBSE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48940.0).

Goat, perhaps you sent the 400 BTC to your GLBSE deposit address?
Verified.
Will there still be the .01 btc withdrawl fee, or are you lowering it to .0005? Is the minimum withdrawl size still in effect?

Withdrawl fee will be 0.001, min withdrawl being 0.5btc, thats reasonable right?
Fees match the pattern.
Verified through how the fees used to work that it was, indeed, GLBSE. I may be biased, but I'd say that this was worth maybe 10%.

twobitcoins:
As casascius pointed out, the person (or wallet) you sent the money to tends to make payments that are 0.005 BTC less than a round number.  Looking at the addresses that those payments went to, some of them appear to be addresses that were posted in this thread: Break My Website | Cheaper in Bitcoins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49446.0).

For example:

  • 1AvZBfz7txnLHsLVna9Liw7tFCKZTgqTyM (http://blockexplorer.com/tx/2f4711c8298d461234455d2b029631be71386d65e6f1fc0bc5881151421e50e6#o1)
  • 14GRFHDKQgpwkBDfANAum3MBpJsFKBvz9g (http://blockexplorer.com/tx/12a9b359421007226c18312ad22c29664209263830991268b08d504027a75d84#o1)

Therefore, I would suggest that your 1.96 BTC and 400 BTC were sent to Xenland, or at least to a wallet service that he was using at the time.  I would suggest contacting him to see if he has them, or if he can tell you which service does.
How about GLBSE?

I found a reference to a 0.005 BTC withdrawal fee in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47490.msg813449#msg813449).

Also Xenland uses GLBSE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48940.0).

Goat, perhaps you sent the 400 BTC to your GLBSE deposit address?

twobitcoins stole the show. He identified a user that would help locate the funds, and then came up with the correct guess of GLBSE. He should get whatever is left.

Every post after we identified GLBSE shouldn't be worth anything, since we had both a guess and a confirmation that it was GLBSE at this point.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: ZodiacDragon84 on May 24, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
This is just one example of how truly awesome this project is. You find 3000 dollars on the street, what do you do? But here Goat let everyone know what happened, and the community came together to help a fellow out.
+9001 to the community


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: pazor on May 24, 2012, 06:53:47 PM
This is just one example of how truly awesome this project is. You find 3000 dollars on the street, what do you do? But here Goat let everyone know what happened, and the community came together to help a fellow out.
+9001 to the community

it is simply:

you take the money to the police.

if the owner is found you get 10% of the money

if the owner is not found after 6months the money is yours

 ;D


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: ZodiacDragon84 on May 24, 2012, 07:05:53 PM
How often is the owner found? Ive seen several instances in the nightly news in the past 2 years about area police in the Omaha Nebraska region under investigation for lost funds not being handled properly.  I would trust law enforcement as far as I could throw them, and I have pathetically weak arms mate.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: RodeoX on May 24, 2012, 07:12:39 PM
This happy outcome warms my coinpurse.  :-*


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: teflone on May 24, 2012, 07:26:32 PM
I saw it and I would have done the same if somebody sent me XXX BTC for nothing. I

My case was different. Because he attacked me without giving me chance to return the 22.5 BTC I refused to give refund but instead chose to give him service he paid for.

He did not want to accept service but wanted to get me scammer tag and never see the BTC back.

Solid brother..   ::)

Was it worth 25 btc? 

Your a joke, and will always be..


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: N12 on May 24, 2012, 07:33:25 PM
In order to prevent "bulanulas", I think it is a good idea to give whoever recovers the Bitcoins some share, in this case the GLBSE support.

At least that’s what I would do, since without their honesty you would have seen 0 BTC (deniability).


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Maged on May 24, 2012, 07:36:08 PM
In order to prevent "bulanulas", I think it is a good idea to give whoever recovers the Bitcoins some share, in this case the GLBSE support.

At least that’s what I would do, since without their honesty you would have seen 0 BTC (deniability).
That's true, but it shouldn't be expected since Goat is already a major customer with them. The customer satisfaction alone from this will generate them plenty of money anyway.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: N12 on May 24, 2012, 07:40:23 PM
That's true, but it shouldn't be expected since Goat is already a major customer with them. The customer satisfaction alone from this will generate them plenty of money anyway.
Good point, that is a bit different than an individual.

I just like to see honesty rewarded with a small token, even if it’s 1 Bitcoin, as it sends a message to all bulanula scammers out there.

I like how quickly this was resolved.

Goat is very lucky not to have sent to a bulanula. ;D


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: casascius on May 24, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Somehow I think this thread is a great case study for what it takes to track down the owner of an address.

Impossible to go it alone, but as people with different pieces of the puzzle start piling them all in one place - and so long as all are willing to cooperate - with persistence, a breakthrough.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Raoul Duke on May 24, 2012, 07:50:51 PM
Somehow I think this thread is a great case study for what it takes to track down the owner of an address.

Impossible to go it alone, but as people with different pieces of the puzzle start piling them all in one place - and so long as all are willing to cooperate - with persistence, a breakthrough.

So much for anonymity ;)



Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bitpop on May 25, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
glbse deserves a 40 all their own, better than 400...


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: casascius on May 25, 2012, 04:52:25 AM
My address is 1BowSerbsenLBELbwR5aZE1aqy7ooGCydT, though it's completely your call.  No reward is required, but if you send one, I'll remember it for a long time!  (That address is one on a paper wallet that I don't plan to import for a while, I treat the page on Block Explorer sort of how one might treat a "barnstar" page on Wikipedia.)


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: organofcorti on May 25, 2012, 04:56:00 AM
My address is 1BowSerbsenLBELbwR5aZE1aqy7ooGCydT

10 characters? How long did that take to generate? Or did you convert a farm to solving a vanityGen for a while? Either way, impressive!


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: casascius on May 25, 2012, 05:00:25 AM
10 characters? How long did that take to generate? Or did you convert a farm to solving a vanityGen for a while? Either way, impressive!

Only "Bowser" was the desired prefix, case insensitive, the rest are random.  In fact I almost don't like it, because "Serbs" is an actual word that detracts from the intended prefix.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: organofcorti on May 25, 2012, 05:03:57 AM
10 characters? How long did that take to generate? Or did you convert a farm to solving a vanityGen for a while? Either way, impressive!

Only "Bowser" was the desired prefix, case insensitive, the rest are random.  In fact I almost don't like it, because "Serbs" is an actual word that detracts from the intended prefix.

If I'd generated that address, I'd change my name to "Bow Serbsen, L.B.E.L."


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: twobitcoins on May 25, 2012, 05:05:44 AM
I'm glad to hear everything worked out!

I think Maged made a good assessment of the contributions.  Your proposed distribution seems reasonable.  Of course you are free to distribute the coins however you choose.

You can send my portion to 1FtT9htpgKGsEoEdJVu88vMbbsaKzMTcrd.  Thanks!


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Garr255 on May 25, 2012, 05:20:27 AM
10 characters? How long did that take to generate? Or did you convert a farm to solving a vanityGen for a while? Either way, impressive!

Only "Bowser" was the desired prefix, case insensitive, the rest are random.  In fact I almost don't like it, because "Serbs" is an actual word that detracts from the intended prefix.

If I'd generated that address, I'd change my name to "Bow Serbsen, L.B.E.L."

Haha there would be so many  :o's

Glad you got your coins, Goat!


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: casascius on May 25, 2012, 05:46:40 AM
Thanks much!


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: N12 on May 25, 2012, 05:55:23 AM
U mad, bulanula? ;D


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: twobitcoins on May 25, 2012, 06:00:03 AM
Got it.  Thanks!


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: naypalm on May 25, 2012, 07:28:59 AM
Wow I am glad this turned out okay, I would have freaked if even 4 BTC disappeared  :o


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bulanula on May 25, 2012, 03:21:43 PM
U mad, bulanula? ;D

Why would I be ???


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Raize on May 25, 2012, 03:33:12 PM
He did not want to accept service but wanted to get me scammer tag and never see the BTC back.

For the record: smart1985 got all 22.5 BTC of his money back. So did Goat. Both are pretty good success stories that present the community in a favorable light.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bulanula on May 25, 2012, 03:53:57 PM
He did not want to accept service but wanted to get me scammer tag and never see the BTC back.

For the record: smart1985 got all 22.5 BTC of his money back. So did Goat. Both are pretty good success stories that present the community in a favorable light.

Too bad you did not also get your 22.5 BTC back now ... What a pity !

How is that class action suit going ? I am almost ready to file for harassment, you know.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Maged on May 25, 2012, 05:00:34 PM
Thanks, Goat!

It's hard to believe that we successfully deanonymized an address with almost no information and no legal support. Good job, everyone!


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: bitpop on May 26, 2012, 01:29:26 AM
bulnula gave smart1985 the 22.5 finally?


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: rjk on May 26, 2012, 01:32:22 AM
bulnula gave smart1985 the 22.5 finally?
wrong thread homer


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Scott J on May 26, 2012, 02:05:41 AM
Great thread  ;D


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: cypherdoc on May 27, 2012, 08:02:38 PM
this is a cool thread.  good job to Maged, twobitcoins, Xenland, etc who helped figure this out.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: paraipan on May 27, 2012, 08:20:30 PM
Great thread  ;D

+1 glad you recovered your coins Goat


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Nefario on May 28, 2012, 01:16:56 AM
Thanks for the donation Goat, saw that and was wondering why was that there, then found this thread.

This was actually an old GLBSE wallet, I got the email from Goat and then dug it up from my backups.

Nefario.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: VEscudero on May 28, 2012, 11:58:14 PM
+1

Congrats Goat, I really wanted you to recover the coins.
It's been an amazing and stressful adventure with a happy ending.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: rjk on May 28, 2012, 11:59:49 PM
Cool the coins are retured, etc etc  but can we lock this so it doesn't keep getting bumped up - it's closed and finished with now. Thanks.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Otoh on May 29, 2012, 12:14:27 AM
Cool the coins are retured, etc etc  but can we lock this so it doesn't keep getting bumped up - it's closed and finished with now. Thanks.

well the last post was from the very person who sent the coins so that is rather relevant, especially as it was him & not goat who decided to send only 400 coins out of the 3,000 as a test tx, personally I find locking threads to often be a pain - much better to let them gradually fade off as some later feedback or similar situations may be of interest to resurrect them, if you're personally done with the little drama then just skip looking at any updated posts np - I do this with many threads, mark all as read when they pop up in the list of updated one's that I posted in

sry for bumping it again  ;D


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: rjk on May 29, 2012, 12:17:11 AM
Cool the coins are retured, etc etc  but can we lock this so it doesn't keep getting bumped up - it's closed and finished with now. Thanks.

well the last post was from the very person who sent the coins so that is rather relevant, especially as it was him & not goat who decided to send only 400 coins out of the 3,000 as a test tx, personally I find locking threads to often be a pain - much better to let them gradually fade off as some later feedback or similar situations may be of interest to resurrect them, if you're personally done with the little drama then just skip looking at any updated posts np - I do this with many threads, mark all as read when they pop up in the list of updated one's that I posted in

sry for bumping it again  ;D
I wish I could mark individual threads read without reading them. That would be a good compromise.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: Otoh on May 29, 2012, 12:18:38 AM
Cool the coins are retured, etc etc  but can we lock this so it doesn't keep getting bumped up - it's closed and finished with now. Thanks.

well the last post was from the very person who sent the coins so that is rather relevant, especially as it was him & not goat who decided to send only 400 coins out of the 3,000 as a test tx, personally I find locking threads to often be a pain - much better to let them gradually fade off as some later feedback or similar situations may be of interest to resurrect them, if you're personally done with the little drama then just skip looking at any updated posts np - I do this with many threads, mark all as read when they pop up in the list of updated one's that I posted in

sry for bumping it again  ;D
I wish I could mark individual threads read without reading them. That would be a good compromise.

yep, we all wish to be able to un-follow threads that we once posted in without having to go back & delete all our posts in it to do so, one day maybe  :)


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: rjk on May 29, 2012, 12:19:44 AM
Cool the coins are retured, etc etc  but can we lock this so it doesn't keep getting bumped up - it's closed and finished with now. Thanks.

well the last post was from the very person who sent the coins so that is rather relevant, especially as it was him & not goat who decided to send only 400 coins out of the 3,000 as a test tx, personally I find locking threads to often be a pain - much better to let them gradually fade off as some later feedback or similar situations may be of interest to resurrect them, if you're personally done with the little drama then just skip looking at any updated posts np - I do this with many threads, mark all as read when they pop up in the list of updated one's that I posted in

sry for bumping it again  ;D
I wish I could mark individual threads read without reading them. That would be a good compromise.

yep, we all wish to be able to un-follow threads that we once posted in, one day maybe  :)
Well marking as unread would be a different function that could work with an unsubscribe option as well.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: BinaryMage on May 29, 2012, 12:23:16 AM
Cool the coins are retured, etc etc  but can we lock this so it doesn't keep getting bumped up - it's closed and finished with now. Thanks.

well the last post was from the very person who sent the coins so that is rather relevant, especially as it was him & not goat who decided to send only 400 coins out of the 3,000 as a test tx, personally I find locking threads to often be a pain - much better to let them gradually fade off as some later feedback or similar situations may be of interest to resurrect them, if you're personally done with the little drama then just skip looking at any updated posts np - I do this with many threads, mark all as read when they pop up in the list of updated one's that I posted in

sry for bumping it again  ;D
I wish I could mark individual threads read without reading them. That would be a good compromise.

yep, we all wish to be able to un-follow threads that we once posted in without having to go back & delete all our posts in it to do so, one day maybe  :)

Just delete the email and don't visit the thread again.


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: imsaguy on May 29, 2012, 03:55:19 PM
Cool the coins are retured, etc etc  but can we lock this so it doesn't keep getting bumped up - it's closed and finished with now. Thanks.

well the last post was from the very person who sent the coins so that is rather relevant, especially as it was him & not goat who decided to send only 400 coins out of the 3,000 as a test tx, personally I find locking threads to often be a pain - much better to let them gradually fade off as some later feedback or similar situations may be of interest to resurrect them, if you're personally done with the little drama then just skip looking at any updated posts np - I do this with many threads, mark all as read when they pop up in the list of updated one's that I posted in

sry for bumping it again  ;D
I wish I could mark individual threads read without reading them. That would be a good compromise.

yep, we all wish to be able to un-follow threads that we once posted in without having to go back & delete all our posts in it to do so, one day maybe  :)

Just delete the email and don't visit the thread again.

That doesn't fix the unread message link.  ;) 

Yeah, I just bumped it for all of you haters. =P


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: BTCurious on May 29, 2012, 05:56:36 PM
Cool the coins are retured, etc etc  but can we lock this so it doesn't keep getting bumped up - it's closed and finished with now. Thanks.

well the last post was from the very person who sent the coins so that is rather relevant, especially as it was him & not goat who decided to send only 400 coins out of the 3,000 as a test tx, personally I find locking threads to often be a pain - much better to let them gradually fade off as some later feedback or similar situations may be of interest to resurrect them, if you're personally done with the little drama then just skip looking at any updated posts np - I do this with many threads, mark all as read when they pop up in the list of updated one's that I posted in

sry for bumping it again  ;D
I wish I could mark individual threads read without reading them. That would be a good compromise.

yep, we all wish to be able to un-follow threads that we once posted in without having to go back & delete all our posts in it to do so, one day maybe  :)

Just delete the email and don't visit the thread again.

That doesn't fix the unread message link.  ;) 

Yeah, I just bumped it for all of you haters. =P

Now if only people would stop bumping the "Introduce yourself :)" and "Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?)" threads…


Title: Re: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward.
Post by: paraipan on May 29, 2012, 06:20:27 PM
Cool the coins are retured, etc etc  but can we lock this so it doesn't keep getting bumped up - it's closed and finished with now. Thanks.

well the last post was from the very person who sent the coins so that is rather relevant, especially as it was him & not goat who decided to send only 400 coins out of the 3,000 as a test tx, personally I find locking threads to often be a pain - much better to let them gradually fade off as some later feedback or similar situations may be of interest to resurrect them, if you're personally done with the little drama then just skip looking at any updated posts np - I do this with many threads, mark all as read when they pop up in the list of updated one's that I posted in

sry for bumping it again  ;D
I wish I could mark individual threads read without reading them. That would be a good compromise.

yep, we all wish to be able to un-follow threads that we once posted in without having to go back & delete all our posts in it to do so, one day maybe  :)

Just delete the email and don't visit the thread again.

That doesn't fix the unread message link.  ;) 

Yeah, I just bumped it for all of you haters. =P

Now if only people would stop bumping the "Introduce yourself :)" and "Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?)" threads…

we'd be dooomed, i feel really good after seeing 5-6 people have joined the ranks every day. I still cherry-pick "new replies to your posts" and then mark what's left as read.