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Seeing that Spoetnik deletes my posts in his threads, thought I would start my own. Unmoderated.

Taken from Poloniex troll box:

"Spoetnik: i'll be offline soon enough you all ;)
Spoetnik: i have said for 2/3 months have to move soon.. so i will have no internet i think for a while (not sure how long)"

Is our Crypto-Hero crumbling under the pressure?

Come on Spoetnik don't give up the good fight. I'm sure we can get a donation address together to help you out with the legal fees.

edit:

Since posting this Spoetnik has had a change of heart (see post 49).
He is NOT running away and will ( I assume) meet further challenges head on.
Atta boy Spoetnik!

With all the lies and defamatory comments about Dan Metcalf I'd be surprised if some legal action (or an apology) doesn't eventuate.
People with not much sense get the idea they can post lies about people and have no consequences. And, most of the time here developers are anonymous so it's not such an issue.
Dan Metcalf though has been very open about who he is from the start, so it's a little different when the administrator of this site allows defamatory stuff to be posted day after day.
Dan is also a businessman so there is little doubt that the lies posted here will cost him money.

Is that really fair, for people to post lies about someone over the internet and accuse you of fraud without supplying real evidence?
I don't think courts would take that view.

Seriously no scam coin pushes defamatory case would last 10 sec in a court room  :-*

If your currency/project can't take a Spoetnik attack, and feels the need to take legal action against him......it's not a very good sign.
If S. is just trolling, then no worries, but he's not the only guy bringing up the red flags, and there is actually some evidence in the form of chatlogs.

+1
it's a valid point, one side is the so called "FUD" the other side is the reaction... i smell old fish.

for me totally shady and i abandoned a coin which is clean, the only point was that the dev-account was bought, but even that is enough for me.

He's going into hiding because he knows he is going to get his ass sued for slandering.

http://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/defamation-and-the-internet/sections/precedent/cases.html

Which part of precedent do you not understand?   These are not internet rumors, it's been tried in court already.

Yeah, and who here thinks their crypto affairs are all legal and above board to drag it through court?  ::)

I would not be so sure. I've spent a lot of time around courts. If someone were to google Dan Metcalf's name then they would find a lot of defamatory stuff linked to this site. As Dan is a businessman in his own right this can only be damaging to him.
So the case is pretty clear. It would definitely last more than 10 seconds.

let them dream on... lol

This is no longer about the currency but about a legitimate businessman's reputation.

No one has the right to tell lies and defame another person. Not in the US, not anywhere.

Are YOU that retarded?   Read the link I posted....   those are REAL court precedence.   They had to pay for online slandering and defamation.  

You slanderers have cost XC MILLIONS in market cap.   You are playing with fire.

but honestly is that something new here, i dont think so, i watched the fudstorm against syscoin, experienced the sharexcoin-exchange, moolah/mintpal, cryptorush
i saw the war between the cryptonotes and so on, it's nothing new and nothing special, the only real option is to show that the accusations are not true.
but if they are true i think we are going deeper into the rabbit hole then ever... don't know which will be the results after the waves calm down, but i bought
my popcorn.

cheers

Hey, I am not the one suing you.   You can think of this as a game as much as you want.   The fact is there for you to read.   However you want to take it, it's up to you.  

The difference is that Dan is not an anon dev.   His real life business reputation is being slandered here and MILLIONS of XC marketcap evaporated due to these fudsters which causes real monetary damages that you can measure.

Do whatever you want, it's your life.   Now, that you know that being sued for online slandering is not imaginary.   Continue to do whatever.  It will just help with the evidence more.   Now, you no longer can say you "didn't know" when that day comes for you.

Like I said, if you have REAL PROOF (and not just "proof" from these fud campaign), go ahead and sue.     Just ask yourself if you are joining these smear/slandering campaign without knowing what you are getting yourself into.     Your life is yours and it's your right to do whatever you want, just don't join the lemmings in jumping off a cliff if your conviction isn't 100%.

One of the main reasons for moving to our own forum (says the Nxt guy) was that it was becoming impossible to run Nxt based on threads on BTT, just too much stuff that needed to be done. The constant trolling was also a factor, but not the main reason.
By comparison, the grief that Spoetnik has brought on XC and Blocknet is just a little tiny droplet compared to the grief Nxt has gone through on here.......but Nxt is a solid project, and FUD means nothing in the long term.

If XC/BlockNet/DanM are gonna sue based on short term price fluctuations in an insanely volatile market, good luck to them. Like I say elsewhere, I've been threatened with legal actions on 2 occasions here on BTT, so I've done a lot of research (and spoken to several lawyers) and I know that proving 'corporate defamation' is not an easy job.

Libel would be much easier to prove, if there is any actual evidence that someone has libelled Dan M.
I have seen XC supporters come out with obviously untrue, libellous statements about Spoetnik, btw, this sort of counter-attack will only make Dan M/XC's case much more muddled.

lol spoetnik, just a keyboard warrior after all, the timing he tells he is going offline tells something, maybe he has frauded too, he was good buddies with digitalindustry after all or he got paid to troll or something in his slandering that might get him in trouble, why would you hide yourself all of the sudden?

Whether there is something "new" is not relevant from a legal perspective. Also I don't think those developers were as open about their identities and this is very important.
Legally morally and practically that is not the only option. The first option is for those who have defamed Dan to either come up with evidence or apologise.
There is not the slightest reason from what we have seen here to believe the rather absurd accusations are true. If there was any real reason we would have seen it by now. What we have seen is a campaign of defamation with no  basis in reality, hosted by this site.

GTFO, you're just a stupid maggot with no brain :))))

we're still here and we won't stop until Bittrex offers a buy back like the Cluster coin scam

the right thing for Trex to do

You can take this _!_ up your ass, I invested too, and I don't want a buy back so suck it

then you can HODL

Bunch of idiots. I bet you don't even own XC or Blocknet

--> First rule here: do not believe anything, i will watch this and i'm watching this, because i wanted to invest some bucks in blocknet.


it is exactly as easy as mentioned from EvilDave, if BlockNet is a solid project, all will be fine, if not i am not sure which side will have to face legal actions.

alt market caps evaporate all the time mainly because no one uses the coin. its going to be impossible to prove that fud caused the downfall.

yeah i assumed you all would.. life goes on with or with out me LOL

i had said i had been planning on moving and will be offline pretty much more than 3+ months ago now and many times since.
if any of you have moved before you know how that works ..it's called life !

the guys on Cryptsy chat should recall me saying this on their chat box before i got banned. (which was months ago by now)

in hiding ? for what ? implying i have some reason to hide ? Kelowna BC, Canada.. K Town biaaatch come and get it ;)
We roll with "Straight oughta Rutland" stickers on our Trucks motherfuckers this shit is Compton up in here ahahhaha
Come on down to my town and we'll show you candy ass punks how we all do it !

PS:
I will make damn sure to use one the many connections available to me such as the other 12 where i live or the Library with free Internet access :)

Jiding ? ohhh heeeel no he didn't !
I am going make sure to be even more visible and even more of a nuisance now LOL

..never poke the bear dumb little scammer dipshits ahahhaha

I agree 100 %

Spoetnik hiding among Mormons and German farmers in the mountains?  Should be easy to find

Spoetnik the internets is coming after you!!  It's going to be a long ass bus ride from Boston but Dan Metcalfe is gonna find you!!

"So yes, many people become very quiet when they're faced with the realistic possibility that they're going to have to defend against a libel claim even if what they said is true. Because it's all very well to defend, but if it costs $10,000 to defend a true comment, well you're out $10,000. How much is it worth?"

Source: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/libel-chill-quashing-negative-online-090000416.html

It comes down to how much are you willing to pay to prove you are right. If a big dawg comes after you its going to cost one way or the other.  You have to lawyer up or risk having a hefty judgement ruled against you.

After all the wars, lies, scams and campaigns here and all the other bs, but this post above is marking a all time low in this forum for me.

But can anyone say something about these issues?

Hey OP thanks to your big mouth i just got back from talking to my landlord and i put off moving until AFTER winter.

I am NOT going anywhere.

Don't poke the bear with a stick dipshits LOL

shoulda kept your big mouth shut ;)

LolLol they are desperate

already answered thanks

That is great news! Glad you didn't run away. Keep up the good fight! 

There's a difference between posting a review of a business on yelp or google reviews or something, which is what the link you posted was regarding, and speculating on a forum that is awash with rumor and speculation.

See these excerpts from an EFF overview page ( https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation ) regarding online libel:


also:


Metcalfe is clearly a public figure, and so he would have to meet the very high standard that there was "actual malice". Considering the amount of rumor and innuendo and (possibly doctored) evidence that floats around here, and is the basis for Spoetnik's and other people's speculation and accusations of scam, I seriously doubt there is any chance he would be able to launch a successful case. There's really no need to lawyer up if a judge throws the case out as soon as the plaintiff makes the accusation.

very chaotic all, just doing it for personal overview

I. So XC had a premine and they dumped it before BlockNet ITO ?

an overview:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/112830/the-alt-cracks-1030-xc-spends-its-premine-nxtty-is-released-shaq-talks-quark-more

looks not like transparency.. but here a comment from a member of the development team:


II. How big was the premine, can't find it in the ANN ?


III. How long was the Proof-of-Work phase (in days)?

i am not sure, was the POW phase shortened?

IV. I assume XC is not really full closed-source, where can i find the open-sourced code from XC ?

only the old mixer is open-source, so i am woundering why the people saying the tech is so advanced, i am right that noone really knows (beside the dev-team) and where can i find the old mixer code?
but they want to release some code from XBrigde as Proof-of-Concept, which should be done as soon as possible in my opinion.


// and Bittrex will pull up buy walls after the ITO ends, Bter BlockNet trading seems disabled (#edit is back again!), actually it looks very modest.


one voice of the XC community which i think should be mentioned..


we will see how it will end, i have no clue
regards

Everyone is quoting this so why i should not?

While we're on the topic of frivolous lawsuits by Bostonians, here are a few links that you should read:

http://www.oyez.org/cases/1980-1989/1987/1987_86_1278

http://cltampa.com/tampa/schnitts-snit/Content?oid=3593057

In short, I can say that you had sex with your mother in an outhouse, then claim you're a snitch, then call your wife a whore... and it's all protected by the First Amendment.

So, go ahead and sue. I'll have the popcorn ready.

Update:

Latest news is Spoetnik is retiring and leaving the scene.

We can assume this is related to the Halloween shitstorm.

Too bad. Didn't think he would run away from a fight. Oh well. Good luck to Spoetnik.

Good luck Spoetnik and don't come back!