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Title: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: X7 on November 11, 2014, 07:26:19 PM
http://thebitcoinmovement.com/changetip-charity-app-killer-app-btc-needed/
Some light reading for you guys, enjoy!


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: BorderBits on November 11, 2014, 07:34:49 PM
/tip $.0001


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: X7 on November 11, 2014, 07:36:50 PM
I am giving away free bits on the reddit thread.
Spread the love guys!
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lzsdy/why_changetip_is_the_killer_app_bitcoin_has_been/


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: nor9865 on November 11, 2014, 07:39:42 PM
/tip $.0001

I wish this would work with this forum, it would be useful but a lot of spam messages saying "tip has been sent and claimed by userxxx" would be seen.

Is there an extension that does it all offline but still responds to posts such as: /tip $.0001?


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on November 11, 2014, 07:56:41 PM

Changetip is the quickest way possible to go from not knowing what bitcoin is to owning some.  This happens within seconds.  Once you own something motivation to learn what it is is far greater vs not owning.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: X7 on November 11, 2014, 08:04:28 PM

Changetip is the quickest way possible to go from not knowing what bitcoin is to owning some.  This happens within seconds.  Once you own something motivation to learn what it is is far greater vs not owning.
exactly! and people see how fast and easy it is to send


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: Aswan on November 11, 2014, 08:05:10 PM
/tip $.0001

I wish this would work with this forum, it would be useful but a lot of spam messages saying "tip has been sent and claimed by userxxx" would be seen.

Is there an extension that does it all offline but still responds to posts such as: /tip $.0001?

you dont need the response. You don't even need the message "/tip $.0001" to stay on the forum.
There could be a bot parsing the forum for tips and whenever he finds something like "/tip $.0001" he transfers BTC from the guy that wanted to tip to the tipped guy, then deleting the post or the "/tip $.0001" part of the post (in case the "/tip $.0001" part is not the only part of the post).
The fact that the tip has been sent will be observable by looking at ones balance.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: nor9865 on November 11, 2014, 08:08:17 PM
/tip $.0001

I wish this would work with this forum, it would be useful but a lot of spam messages saying "tip has been sent and claimed by userxxx" would be seen.

Is there an extension that does it all offline but still responds to posts such as: /tip $.0001?

you dont need the response. You don't even need the message "/tip $.0001" to stay on the forum.
There could be a bot parsing the forum for tips and whenever he finds something like "/tip $.0001" he transfers BTC from the guy that wanted to tip to the tipped guy, then deleting the post or the "/tip $.0001" part of the post (in case the "/tip $.0001" part is not the only part of the post).
The fact that the tip has been sent will be observable by looking at ones balance.

Ah that could work yes. Only problem is the mass of posts saying: "/tip $.0001" everywhere.

A solution would be to have a little tip user button below all users' avatars. Click on it and a like box opens where you just clicked, type a tip amount (minimum $0.5 maybe?) hit enter and bingo, tip sent!


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: cr1776 on November 11, 2014, 08:12:47 PM
There are a lot of threads on changetip (e.g. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=850767.msg9477687#msg9477687) and it is a good use for bitcoin.  The more places you can use it the better.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: BittBurger on November 11, 2014, 08:25:55 PM
They are expanding it to YouTube now, and Facebook is in the works.  You'll be able to tip someone on their comment on facebook soon.  That is huge.  Unless facebook finds a way to stop it.  These services might not want people making money off of them?  Wait until human greed gets in the way.

Disqus, Yelp, and several other services are on their radar too.  Exciting times.

-B-


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: yayayo on November 11, 2014, 08:46:29 PM
Changetip is a cool thing and it spreads Bitcoin for sure, but i don't think it is the killer app.

What is limiting the effect of changetip is that we see a huge number of very small tips that are barely worth to be collected (by today's valuation). Also many tips are given out without a significant contribution and without interest by the receiver - so without some "work done" for Bitcoins they might be considered worthless.
Of course there is some positive effect, but it's smaller than people think.


I think the real killer app would be a physical bitcoin wallet device that can be used for all kinds of  bitcoin transactions easily without any requirement for setup or technical knowledge. As cheap and simple as a credit card, but with added functionality (sending money from the device to anywhere in the world).


ya.ya.yo!


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: MakingMoneyHoney on November 11, 2014, 09:40:32 PM
Ah that could work yes. Only problem is the mass of posts saying: "/tip $.0001" everywhere.

A solution would be to have a little tip user button below all users' avatars. Click on it and a like box opens where you just clicked, type a tip amount (minimum $0.5 maybe?) hit enter and bingo, tip sent!

Changetip already has a little button that can be used:

https://i.imgur.com/XJapD8F.png

I would think it would be easy enough to set up, but you may need to have an account with changetip to get the code, and I don't know how it would fit into this forum's rules, since I could see it going in the signature spot normally... but I don't know how it would work with the forum rules of signatures right now.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: FUR11 on November 11, 2014, 09:42:48 PM
It comes down to an increased adoption, if you ask me. People just need to hear about Bitcoin. Some people will need to hear about it for a multiple amount of times, before they take their time and actually take a look at it. By using changetip, we can account for the first few of those times!


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: DooMAD on November 11, 2014, 10:44:04 PM
Is that site not displaying correctly for me, or is it supposed to be light grey text on a white background?  If that's how it's meant to look then it needs rethinking.  Not the easiest thing to read.

Normally I try to avoid installing Facebook apps, but I don't seem to be having a great deal of luck in getting people involved with Bitcoin so far, so might try this as a last resort.  Although it kind of goes against the main idea behind Bitcoin, in that it shouldn't need a third party to handle transactions for you.



Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: X7 on November 11, 2014, 11:23:19 PM
If you want some bits to spread around - Just ask http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lzsdy/why_changetip_is_the_killer_app_bitcoin_has_been/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lzsdy/why_changetip_is_the_killer_app_bitcoin_has_been/)  :D


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: ScreamnShout on November 12, 2014, 07:44:48 AM
They are expanding it to YouTube now, and Facebook is in the works.  You'll be able to tip someone on their comment on facebook soon.  That is huge.  Unless facebook finds a way to stop it.  These services might not want people making money off of them?  Wait until human greed gets in the way.

Disqus, Yelp, and several other services are on their radar too.  Exciting times.

-B-
I don't see why facebook and/or youtube would ever want to stop it. However I also don't see why anyone would ever "tip" on either of those platforms, especially facebook when you almost always should be only interacting with people you know in RL


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: TinaK on November 12, 2014, 08:35:02 AM
/tip $.0001

I wish this would work with this forum, it would be useful but a lot of spam messages saying "tip has been sent and claimed by userxxx" would be seen.

Is there an extension that does it all offline but still responds to posts such as: /tip $.0001?
but this forum program is too old, it is

I have been to see it on reddit, but I haven't used changetip, I will take a try   :D


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: franky1 on November 12, 2014, 01:02:00 PM
Changetip is a cool thing and it spreads Bitcoin for sure, but i don't think it is the killer app.
....
 barely worth to be collected (by today's valuation).

its called setting up the infrastructure now, so that when the value increases, then changetip is already in a position to be effective.

for instance, gavin andressin set up a bitcoin faucet giving out 1btc to each user in 2010, many thought that it was pointless because people can make much more mining each day so although at the time no one seen the benefit financially (that day's valuation) hindsight shows that faucets are part of the economy and aswell as introducing people to bitcoin to atleast make one transaction, even holding onto the value for a long term is worth it. after all its free


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: RobertDJ on November 12, 2014, 11:19:51 PM
Changetip is a cool thing and it spreads Bitcoin for sure, but i don't think it is the killer app.
....
 barely worth to be collected (by today's valuation).

its called setting up the infrastructure now, so that when the value increases, then changetip is already in a position to be effective.

for instance, gavin andressin set up a bitcoin faucet giving out 1btc to each user in 2010, many thought that it was pointless because people can make much more mining each day so although at the time no one seen the benefit financially (that day's valuation) hindsight shows that faucets are part of the economy and aswell as introducing people to bitcoin to atleast make one transaction, even holding onto the value for a long term is worth it. after all its free
I don't think the value of the tips will matter very much to users. The point of gavin's faucet was to educate people about bitcoin and give them a way to "play around" with it before mining and/or buying some on gox (the only exchange back then).

Changetip does a similar thing however the people giving the bitcoin away are not receiving any meaningful benefit as a result of their tipping because they generally are not heavily invested in Bitcoin's success 


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: X7 on November 12, 2014, 11:31:02 PM
I have personally explained bitcoin to over 200 new users due to sending 100 - 500 bits at a time for a period of over 48 hours to anyone who asked. Of that 200 A LOT have literally thanked me and gotten SUPER excited about bitcoin and the possibilities of it.

You under estimate the power of giving my friend :D


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: RobertDJ on November 13, 2014, 12:05:21 AM
I have personally explained bitcoin to over 200 new users due to sending 100 - 500 bits at a time for a period of over 48 hours to anyone who asked. Of that 200 A LOT have literally thanked me and gotten SUPER excited about bitcoin and the possibilities of it.

You under estimate the power of giving my friend :D

Okay, I understand that the person would be interested in bitcoin, and it is obvious that anyone that receives money for basically nothing is going to be excited.

With that being said, what is the incremental affect on that person being interested in bitcoin? It is going to be very small. In order to have a larger effect, you will need to spend a lot of money giving "tips" to people, while also having a significant amount of bitcoin left over to realize the effect that your tipping had on bitcoin. If you only have a small (or even medium) amount of bitcoin then what you are doing is -EV


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: Dissonance on November 13, 2014, 01:19:36 AM
As I had said in the other thread if every user on the forums were to spend 10 US dollars each tiping we could make bitcoin go viral.  I can't think of more positive PR then a grassroots tipping campaign.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: sobitcoin on November 13, 2014, 04:35:43 AM
/tip $.0001

I wish this would work with this forum, it would be useful but a lot of spam messages saying "tip has been sent and claimed by userxxx" would be seen.

Is there an extension that does it all offline but still responds to posts such as: /tip $.0001?

Dam, I am gullible.  Thought for sure this was new. Face palming.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: RobertDJ on November 13, 2014, 06:34:44 AM
As I had said in the other thread if every user on the forums were to spend 10 US dollars each tiping we could make bitcoin go viral.  I can't think of more positive PR then a grassroots tipping campaign.
This would result in too many scams. People would create accounts for the sole reason of hoping to get tipped by other users.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: wickedgoodtrader on November 13, 2014, 05:03:34 PM
Changetip looks great. Buy someone a "beer". Guess what, now 10 million people have sent beers to people. You think more bars and restaurants are going to start accepting bitcoin? This will have a huge effect.

I could see people getting multiple drinks sent to them on their birthday. That is a significant amount.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: Dissonance on November 13, 2014, 08:26:51 PM
As I had said in the other thread if every user on the forums were to spend 10 US dollars each tiping we could make bitcoin go viral.  I can't think of more positive PR then a grassroots tipping campaign.
This would result in too many scams. People would create accounts for the sole reason of hoping to get tipped by other users.

So, People can and will scam but does that mean that we should not give charity ?  If we could fund 100 worthwhile artists at the cost of paying a couple of scammers then its still a worthy system.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: BitUsher on November 13, 2014, 09:18:28 PM
I had an idea I wanted to run by everyone.

Rather than simply tip pro Bitcoin and low view videos on youtube we target some of the viral ones in a campaign. The idea behind it is 2 fold, get the video channel user to start using and accepting Bitcoin and get many people to see these change tips from bitcoin right below the video so all the viewers get exposed to this service and Bitcoin.

For the most part I see tipping on low viewing videos instead of viral ones. What If we tipped and up voted the tip comment on all  popular videos daily.

I would be willing to donate 1 BTC to this campaign of tipping thousands of videos 1-4 dollars(a certain percent of tips are returned in 1 week). Would you guys want to help participate by writing up funny comments to encourage upvotes (loses most of the value if comment gets drowned out with no upvotes) and by upvoting yourself if I posted a daily listed of tipped videos?

What do you think about this plan, any suggestions?


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: Aterna on November 13, 2014, 09:24:42 PM
Changetip looks great. Buy someone a "beer". Guess what, now 10 million people have sent beers to people. You think more bars and restaurants are going to start accepting bitcoin? This will have a huge effect.

I could see people getting multiple drinks sent to them on their birthday. That is a significant amount.

I tried getting a few of my bars to accept bitcoin through coinbase. I just get blank stares. Might be a good idea to print them out a QR or order them a sticker and put it on their tip jars. That way they could see if people actually use bitcoin and if its worth accepting for sales. Plus it gets them comfortable. I propose that we get as many qr codes on tip jars at bars as we can. Gets our foot in the door.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: MakingMoneyHoney on November 13, 2014, 09:33:40 PM
I had an idea I wanted to run by everyone.

Rather than simply tip pro Bitcoin and low view videos on youtube we target some of the viral ones in a campaign. The idea behind it is 2 fold, get the video channel user to start using and accepting Bitcoin and get many people to see these change tips from bitcoin right below the video so all the viewers get exposed to this service and Bitcoin.

For the most part I see tipping on low viewing videos instead of viral ones. What If we tipped and up voted the tip comment on all  popular videos daily.

I would be willing to donate 1 BTC to this campaign of tipping thousands of videos 1-4 dollars(a certain percent of tips are returned in 1 week). Would you guys want to help participate by writing up funny comments to encourage upvotes (loses most of the value if comment gets drowned out with no upvotes) and by upvoting yourself if I posted a daily listed of tipped videos?

What do you think about this plan, any suggestions?

I like the idea of tipping people on youtube to get the word out. If you put a tip in a comment in a video on youtube and posted links here (in their own thread), I'd upvote comments daily. I'm sure people would, but I don't know how many upvotes it would take to get the public to notice; I'm up for trying to get to get them to notice though. :)


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: X7 on November 13, 2014, 10:59:44 PM
I dropped a tip bomb on Oppa Gangnam Style yesterday if you wanna upvote that - 2 billion views :D


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: BitUsher on November 14, 2014, 12:06:28 AM
I dropped a tip bomb on Oppa Gangnam Style yesterday if you wanna upvote that - 2 billion views :D

wow , too many comments , cannot find yours... Probably, best to drop the tips on a new viral where it can get a combo of crown sourced and organic up votes from the beginning when it is growing to 1 million .


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: Vod on November 14, 2014, 12:17:41 AM
I need someone to send me a 25 cent tip to the address in my signature.   :-\

I want to legitimize my use of "martinlawrence" before the famous actor comes and tries to take it away from me.

Thanks to anyone that can help.  :)


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: MakingMoneyHoney on November 14, 2014, 12:35:28 AM
I need someone to send me a 25 cent tip to the address in my signature.   :-\

I want to legitimize my use of "martinlawrence" before the famous actor comes and tries to take it away from me.

Thanks to anyone that can help.  :)

I can't believe I didn't think of that, lol. (Putting the tip me link there) The link works perfectly in the sig spot. :)


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: cr1776 on November 19, 2014, 08:07:06 PM
What about putting changetip links on our own web site that are for someone else?  e.g. Suppose you wanted to ask for donations for @MakeAWish (via twitter). 

Precompose a tweet, then you can tell visitors, "Instead of buying me a present for the holidays this year, just make a donation to <whatever the charity is> by clicking on this link."  You could always offer to match some of the donations to encourage people to sign up!

That way, if you want to encourage use but don't want to ask for ask for yourself, you still can.  Something like:

Donate to Make A Wish via Twitter, ChangeTip and Bitcoin (http://twitter.com/home?status=Hey%20%40MakeAWish%2C%20here%20is%20%241%20for%20your%20good%20work%20%40ChangeTip%20Thanks)

Which is just this link:
http://twitter.com/home?status=Hey%20%40MakeAWish%2C%20here%20is%20%241%20for%20your%20good%20work%20%40ChangeTip%20Thanks

with a URL anchor attached.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: BitUsher on November 25, 2014, 11:51:25 AM
What about putting changetip links on our own web site that are for someone else?  e.g. Suppose you wanted to ask for donations for @MakeAWish (via twitter). 

Precompose a tweet, then you can tell visitors, "Instead of buying me a present for the holidays this year, just make a donation to <whatever the charity is> by clicking on this link."  You could always offer to match some of the donations to encourage people to sign up!

That way, if you want to encourage use but don't want to ask for ask for yourself, you still can.  Something like:

Donate to Make A Wish via Twitter, ChangeTip and Bitcoin (http://twitter.com/home?status=Hey%20%40MakeAWish%2C%20here%20is%20%241%20for%20your%20good%20work%20%40ChangeTip%20Thanks)

Which is just this link:
http://twitter.com/home?status=Hey%20%40MakeAWish%2C%20here%20is%20%241%20for%20your%20good%20work%20%40ChangeTip%20Thanks

with a URL anchor attached.

This is a great idea too.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: Kakmakr on November 25, 2014, 01:17:54 PM
Well, I get the odd 100 Bits here and there, but never something, worth it's while in Bitcoin terms. ^Frown^

I think there are a lot of shill accounts, tipping themselves, to look like, they tipping others.

Since they started this, I have only received 1 Beer = +/- $1 US.

Nah, nothing to get too excited about. If you cannot tip someone, something, they can really appreciate, rather leave it, because it will do more harm than good.

My friends, laugh at me, when I tell them, what the value of 100 bits are.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: cr1776 on November 25, 2014, 04:40:38 PM
Well, I get the odd 100 Bits here and there, but never something, worth it's while in Bitcoin terms. ^Frown^

I think there are a lot of shill accounts, tipping themselves, to look like, they tipping others.

Since they started this, I have only received 1 Beer = +/- $1 US.

Nah, nothing to get too excited about. If you cannot tip someone, something, they can really appreciate, rather leave it, because it will do more harm than good.

My friends, laugh at me, when I tell them, what the value of 100 bits are.

They laugh at it being 3-4 cents. But, they really add up.  I had people laughing that I was "only" getting 3-6 cents for something online.  Then they learned there'd be 20-30,000/day.  They stopped laughing.

Think about a YouTube video, if it goes viral and you get 1,000,000 views, and get tips on that, it will really add up.  Sure each one is small, but that is the point, no one will pay a dollar or euro to watch a video, but they might tip a nickel.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: RodeoX on November 25, 2014, 04:44:59 PM
I think this is cool and all, but... It is not really needed. I can send a tip now to anyone displaying an address.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: BitUsher on November 25, 2014, 07:21:55 PM
I think this is cool and all, but... It is not really needed. I can send a tip now to anyone displaying an address.

The benefit of changetip is that you can tip people who don't have an address and therefore bring in new converts.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: RodeoX on November 25, 2014, 08:37:13 PM
I think this is cool and all, but... It is not really needed. I can send a tip now to anyone displaying an address.

The benefit of changetip is that you can tip people who don't have an address and therefore bring in new converts.
I guess I did not understand. That is kinda neat. But who holds the coins?


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: BitUsher on November 26, 2014, 01:44:34 AM
I think this is cool and all, but... It is not really needed. I can send a tip now to anyone displaying an address.

The benefit of changetip is that you can tip people who don't have an address and therefore bring in new converts.
I guess I did not understand. That is kinda neat. But who holds the coins?

That's my problem with changetip as they hold the coins for 7 days and than return them if the tip is unclaimed . Additionally , they will soon be charging a 1% fee for withdrawing BTC thus encouraging large amount of users to store a small amount of coins with them for tipping.

It would be great if someone would create a off the chain tip bot that was decentralized and free to address these concerns.

They do deserve to be rewarded for their efforts though in the interim.


Title: Re: Changetip and why it is the killer app that BTC needed
Post by: X7 on November 26, 2014, 05:17:37 AM
You can also transfer your coins to any other wallet you desire (off Changetip)