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Bitcoin => Bitcoin Discussion => Topic started by: CanadianGuy on November 13, 2014, 01:38:59 AM



Title: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: CanadianGuy on November 13, 2014, 01:38:59 AM
you guessed it... war induced hyperinflation!  Doesn't it make more sense now?  :) 
(meanwhile putin is buying up bitcoins to protect his personal wealth)


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: TinaK on November 13, 2014, 03:00:43 AM
LOL,
but putin deosnt protect his anything, the big whole Russians are his, land, money, women, and even the air


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: jsgayo on November 13, 2014, 03:36:18 AM
Energy war between the United States and Russia, the ruble depreciated by 18%. Originally Bitcoin is a good choice, but Russia banned it.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: BitUsher on November 13, 2014, 03:53:45 AM
Russia wants to ban USD as well. A Bill was just introduced to ban the USD because russians have been preferring it over the ruble.
http://rt.com/business/russian-lawmaker-dollar-ban-663/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/13/bill-would-outlaw-us-dollar-russia/

If Russia bans the USD expect Russians to use Bitcoin as a means of capital flight where the ruble continues to crumble.

Looks like another state using inflation to fund their war. No wonder Russia is trying to prevent capital flight.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: CanadianGuy on November 13, 2014, 04:05:35 AM
The timing seems so perfect.. Another Cold war starts and BTC goes nuts the same day


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: Realpra on November 13, 2014, 04:13:18 AM
The timing seems so perfect.. Another Cold war starts and BTC goes nuts the same day


I KNEW Bitcoin was inherently anti-war!

Inflation gives massive rewards to those who oppress others whereas Bitcoin must be earned fairly - going to war means giving your money away for supplies and the destruction you cause makes everything more expensive, with inflation it can pay off, but in a Bitcoin world your enemies and dissidents end up holding all the capital while you have to pay more!


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: inBitweTrust on November 13, 2014, 04:38:47 AM
I KNEW Bitcoin was inherently anti-war!


Excellent talks on the anti-war nature of Bitcoin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDk62HApDa8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joITmEr4SjY



Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: CanadianGuy on November 13, 2014, 03:37:56 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/11226240/Putin-stockpiles-gold-as-Russia-prepares-for-economic-war.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/11226240/Putin-stockpiles-gold-as-Russia-prepares-for-economic-war.html)


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on November 13, 2014, 06:07:06 PM
you guessed it... war induced hyperinflation!  Doesn't it make more sense now?  :) 
(meanwhile putin is buying up bitcoins to protect his personal wealth)

he buys alot Bitcoin and Litecoin i heard recently.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: Piston Honda on November 13, 2014, 07:31:28 PM
I KNEW Bitcoin was inherently anti-war!


Excellent talks on the anti-war nature of Bitcoin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDk62HApDa8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joITmEr4SjY



lol interesting, will check these out.  I've only heard of this bitcoin relation to antiwar deal...so not sure how it'd work in a "real world" circumstance (ie. Russia)


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: Realpra on November 13, 2014, 07:38:52 PM
Excellent talks on the anti-war nature of Bitcoin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDk62HApDa8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joITmEr4SjY


Seen the second one before, definitely the best (shorter and same points basically).

I disagree with him a little in the first; I don't think Bitcoin will end ALL war. I just think it will be more difficult to start and fund over long time stupid wars.

You might have a few genuine reasons for war left that people would in fact fund even if it cost them.

For instance if I was a Somalian I might indeed choose to fund some newly started government/movement if they could stop the random violence and anarchy.

My own country has a few instances of armed uprisings in the past based entirely on volunteers.

Still that puts a pretty firm limit on the possibilities for war - it would only happen if massive rewards were apparent.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: inBitweTrust on November 13, 2014, 09:03:06 PM


I disagree with him a little in the first; I don't think Bitcoin will end ALL war. I just think it will be more difficult to start and fund over long time stupid wars.


Agree, that it won't eliminate all wars. If bitcoin could even slightly reduce wars it is one of the most important innovations in history.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: Aterna on November 13, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
If Russia bans USD and Bitcoin then why would that trigger a bitcoin bubble? When China was talking about banning bitcoin we went down.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: BitUsher on November 13, 2014, 09:23:47 PM
If Russia bans USD and Bitcoin then why would that trigger a bitcoin bubble? When China was talking about banning bitcoin we went down.

You are right that banning Bitcoin will hurt adoption , but banning USD which many Russians are investing in to avoid inflation of the ruble will drive more Russian to illegally buy bitcoin. I don't know how much of an effect this will have though as I am unaware if you can open up accounts in yuan or other fiat currencies in Russia. In many countries usually it is their national currency and the usd.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: Jybrael on November 13, 2014, 09:26:45 PM
Well sooner or later Russia will see the power of Bitcoin and will have to unban it. I highly doubt that with the userbase bitcoin has gained they will keep it banned for a long time.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: TaunSew on November 13, 2014, 09:45:06 PM
Bitcoin inner circle is mainly Southern Californian.  Russia and China also treats Google and Facebook suspiciously because of their American background.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: Realpra on November 14, 2014, 08:57:46 AM
If Russia bans USD and Bitcoin then why would that trigger a bitcoin bubble? When China was talking about banning bitcoin we went down.

Banning Bitcoin won't help us much, but if both USD and Bitcoin are banned and you hold crumbling rubles, which is easier to illegally get? Bitcoin wins hands down.

Point 2: If there is war, cold war or even uncertainty coming that would mean fiat - money based purely on trust in government - would loose to the global, inflation-free and robust nature of Bitcoin.

Might make some of the people who have proclaimed Bitcoin dead the past 2+ months remember why it was invented in the first place.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: Hiraga on November 14, 2014, 09:13:50 AM
Soon there will be satellites to broadcast the blockchain. It's pretty much impossible to ban crypto's. Bitcoin was made to give the power back to the people.

http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: CanadianGuy on November 16, 2014, 04:55:03 PM
it makes sense why russia would "ban" bitcoin, Putin could buy bitcoin at a discount rate on that news and then sell them when he changes his mind. its the reverse-russian style of a of pump and dump......


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: MightyStorm on November 17, 2014, 05:40:38 AM
Soon there will be satellites to broadcast the blockchain. It's pretty much impossible to ban crypto's. Bitcoin was made to give the power back to the people.

http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/

I wish it would work the way they describe it.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: bryant.coleman on November 17, 2014, 07:31:35 AM
Ever since I joined BT in 2012, I have been seeing these sort of articles at a rate of 2 per week. Two years on, Bitcoin-based businesses and exchanges remain perfectly legal and freely operate out of Russia without any harassment.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: Aterna on December 01, 2014, 06:44:31 PM
Ever since I joined BT in 2012, I have been seeing these sort of articles at a rate of 2 per week. Two years on, Bitcoin-based businesses and exchanges remain perfectly legal and freely operate out of Russia without any harassment.

Even in exchange for goods? Say a grocery store or restaurant.


Title: Re: Russia wants to ban Bitcoin because it is a safe haven from.....
Post by: Beliathon on December 01, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
This will be the year Russian elites learn that some laws cannot be so easily enforced...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nob0wutM-Xo