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Title: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: wobber on November 19, 2014, 08:06:29 AM
Doesn't matter when the next rally will be, 2015, 2017 or 2020, it's almost a certainty there will be one.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: jl2012 on November 19, 2014, 08:22:14 AM
Doesn't matter when the next rally will be, 2015, 2017 or 2020, it's almost a certainty there will be one.

I think it matters. The longer it takes, the higher the new ATH.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: TinaK on November 19, 2014, 10:04:10 AM
Your words mean so long as living, there is hope. But I hate the late hope.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: DeadCoin on November 19, 2014, 10:12:09 AM
November 2013 - $1200
May/June 2014 - $680
November 2014 - $450

It gets weaker and weaker...


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: var53 on November 19, 2014, 11:03:33 AM
I think far higher than 7000 like in the early days. We have not had a rally like the one to $32 for years now.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Tzupy on November 19, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
I voted conservatively below 3k$, because 5k$ while possible in late 2016 is less probable and 10k$ is bulls' dream (delusional permabulls' dream is 1M$).
And of course 2017 and 2018 IMO should be bear market, from which bitcoin price will never truly recover, since something better will replace it. ;D


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: exocytosis on November 19, 2014, 11:11:14 AM
The next rally will take us briefly from 150 to 300. Then down to sub 100.

This will happen sometime in the first half of 2015.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: raskul on November 19, 2014, 11:15:18 AM
ATH = All-Time High

so the prediction of a 'next' ATH is a contradiction of terms in itself.

there is only ever one ATH, if it has been already it was ~$1100. if it is yet to come, then it will be over $1100

the clue is in the name.. 'ALL-TIME HIGH' meaning the highest price that BTC will ever reach, as in All-Time.
between this term of phrase and 'ROI' i really wish people would read what they write  ::)


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: 600watt on November 19, 2014, 11:48:38 AM
November 2013 - $1200
May/June 2014 - $680
November 2014 - $450

It gets weaker and weaker...

you should change "Coin" to "Brain"

this would somewhat tighten the gap between your name and your posting


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Feri22 on November 19, 2014, 11:50:32 AM
November 2013 - $1200
May/June 2014 - $680
November 2014 - $450

It gets weaker and weaker...

July 2010 - $0.0008
November 2014 - $450

...or stronger and stronger


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Miz4r on November 19, 2014, 12:05:31 PM
ATH = All-Time High

so the prediction of a 'next' ATH is a contradiction of terms in itself.

there is only ever one ATH, if it has been already it was ~$1100. if it is yet to come, then it will be over $1100

the clue is in the name.. 'ALL-TIME HIGH' meaning the highest price that BTC will ever reach, as in All-Time.
between this term of phrase and 'ROI' i really wish people would read what they write  ::)

Are you always this anal about everything? Get your head out of your ass please and stop taking things super literally and try to read what is meant. With ATH people mean the highest price BTC has reached up to the present time. Right now the ATH is $1163 if we consider Bitstamp's price as the real market value (Gox coins didn't reflect true market value because of exchange issues). In the future a new bull market could bring us higher than that so we will reach a new ATH at that points, and the question of the OP is what that ATH will be or in other words where the top will lie of this next big bull market. See, it's not that hard to read and understand OP's words if you take your head out of your ass for a second. :)

Anyway to answer OP's question, I think the new ATH after the next big rally will lie around $5000. $4949 in February 2016 if you want a more precise prediction.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: devphp on November 19, 2014, 12:10:32 PM
OP, where is the option "we have already seen the ATH in Bitcoin"?
And if you say it's almost a certainty there'll be a new one, you should add an option for this tiny uncertainty, otherwise this is a biased poll.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: raskul on November 19, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
ATH = All-Time High

so the prediction of a 'next' ATH is a contradiction of terms in itself.

there is only ever one ATH, if it has been already it was ~$1100. if it is yet to come, then it will be over $1100

the clue is in the name.. 'ALL-TIME HIGH' meaning the highest price that BTC will ever reach, as in All-Time.
between this term of phrase and 'ROI' i really wish people would read what they write  ::)

Are you always this anal about everything? Get your head out of your ass please and stop taking things super literally and try to read what is meant. With ATH people mean the highest price BTC has reached up to the present time. Right now the ATH is $1163 if we consider Bitstamp's price as the real market value (Gox coins didn't reflect true market value because of exchange issues). In the future a new bull market could bring us higher than that so we will reach a new ATH at that points, and the question of the OP is what that ATH will be or in other words where the top will lie of this next big bull market. See, it's not that hard to read and understand OP's words if you take your head out of your ass for a second. :)

Anyway to answer OP's question, I think the new ATH after the next big rally will lie around $5000. $4949 in February 2016 if you want a more precise prediction.

personal insults are not really the best way to get someone to hear your points.
we could debate grammar until BTC hits it's all time high, but i fear you may be slightly lacking in intellect to understand what the term means  :D


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Dilla on November 19, 2014, 03:03:20 PM
6748.32, just a wild guess.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Miz4r on November 19, 2014, 03:11:10 PM
ATH = All-Time High

so the prediction of a 'next' ATH is a contradiction of terms in itself.

there is only ever one ATH, if it has been already it was ~$1100. if it is yet to come, then it will be over $1100

the clue is in the name.. 'ALL-TIME HIGH' meaning the highest price that BTC will ever reach, as in All-Time.
between this term of phrase and 'ROI' i really wish people would read what they write  ::)

Are you always this anal about everything? Get your head out of your ass please and stop taking things super literally and try to read what is meant. With ATH people mean the highest price BTC has reached up to the present time. Right now the ATH is $1163 if we consider Bitstamp's price as the real market value (Gox coins didn't reflect true market value because of exchange issues). In the future a new bull market could bring us higher than that so we will reach a new ATH at that points, and the question of the OP is what that ATH will be or in other words where the top will lie of this next big bull market. See, it's not that hard to read and understand OP's words if you take your head out of your ass for a second. :)

Anyway to answer OP's question, I think the new ATH after the next big rally will lie around $5000. $4949 in February 2016 if you want a more precise prediction.

personal insults are not really the best way to get someone to hear your points.
we could debate grammar until BTC hits it's all time high, but i fear you may be slightly lacking in intellect to understand what the term means  :D

Well apparently you are the only one who has the intellect to know exactly what ATH means and how it should be used and everybody else is wrong. ::) If you're going to be a grammar nazi at least make sure you're good at it first. Anyway nobody cares about what you said so this 'discussion' ends here.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Dafar on November 19, 2014, 04:00:41 PM
Lol at IDIOTS who think we will see another huge rally....


I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Dafar on November 19, 2014, 04:14:30 PM
I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.

Please tell us when you sell and cut your loss. The rally will start exactly 24 hours later.

I will never sell... would rather go down with a sinking ship and take everyone else with me. It would piss me off even more if I left and a rally happened right after (which would definitely happen)


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: acquafredda on November 19, 2014, 04:14:51 PM
Lol at IDIOTS who think we will see another huge rally....


I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.

 ;D



Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: 1Referee on November 19, 2014, 04:35:37 PM
Lol at IDIOTS who think we will see another huge rally....


I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.

It's not the fault of Bitcoin that you jump in when it's already too late to buy.

Invest some time into knowing how this market works, that might help you in the future to make money instead of losing.

If there is a rally I guess that will be between $2000 - $3000


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Biodom on November 19, 2014, 04:47:34 PM
Lol at IDIOTS who think we will see another huge rally....


I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.

interesting observation. however, if true, you should just reverse your actions.
For example, you decided that one stock is good, you invest a small amount of money. Once it is done, automatically buy long term at the money puts if they are reasonably priced.
However, I think that what you describe is quite common to all of us and the reasons are purely psychological: we hate losing money more than enjoy gaining money.
It also underlies why many lose money on investments: when the stock dip initially, they hold, but ONLY until they are breakeven, then they sell, gaining nothing. When the stock goes up initially, they sell early, limiting the gains, and, of course, they hold losing stock until it zeroes out (if it happens).


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: NotLambchop on November 19, 2014, 04:56:43 PM
...
interesting observation. however, if true, you should just reverse your actions.
...

But the action taken will still be his action, and therefore wrong.  An oracle who's always wrong is immensely useful to others [just do the opposite of what the oracle says], but never to self.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Dafar on November 19, 2014, 05:44:44 PM
...
interesting observation. however, if true, you should just reverse your actions.
...

But the action taken will still be his action, and therefore wrong.  An oracle who's always wrong is immensely useful to others [just do the opposite of what the oracle says], but never to self.

Me, the oracle, is banking on a bubble/new ATH next year.... I plan to sell 10% of my holdings at $1000, 20% at $1300, and 70% at $2000+ depending on how fast we get there.

So does that mean you should sell and we will NOT see a ATH next year? Fuck everyone and everything if it doesn't happen


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: devphp on November 19, 2014, 05:46:38 PM
...
interesting observation. however, if true, you should just reverse your actions.
...

But the action taken will still be his action, and therefore wrong.  An oracle who's always wrong is immensely useful to others [just do the opposite of what the oracle says], but never to self.

Me, the oracle, is banking on a bubble/new ATH next year.... I plan to sell 10% of my holdings at $1000, 20% at $1300, and 70% at $2000+ depending on how fast we get there.

So does that mean you should sell and we will NOT see a ATH next year? Fuck everyone and everything if it doesn't happen
Sounds like you have no plan B. Fuck everyone is not plausible. Have you heard of diversifying your investments?


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Dafar on November 19, 2014, 06:01:19 PM
...
interesting observation. however, if true, you should just reverse your actions.
...

But the action taken will still be his action, and therefore wrong.  An oracle who's always wrong is immensely useful to others [just do the opposite of what the oracle says], but never to self.

Me, the oracle, is banking on a bubble/new ATH next year.... I plan to sell 10% of my holdings at $1000, 20% at $1300, and 70% at $2000+ depending on how fast we get there.

So does that mean you should sell and we will NOT see a ATH next year? Fuck everyone and everything if it doesn't happen
Sounds like you have no plan B. Fuck everyone is not plausible. Have you heard of diversifying your investments?

Does litecoin count?

And either way... what should I do now? sell my BTC at a loss and diversify? I rather hold til half way through 2015


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: devphp on November 19, 2014, 06:09:44 PM
Does litecoin count?

And either way... what should I do now? sell my BTC at a loss and diversify? I rather hold til half way through 2015

Don't ask me, I may be wrong on all counts. I am just saying Plan B would be nice )


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: wormbog on November 19, 2014, 06:19:59 PM
Lol at IDIOTS who think we will see another huge rally....


I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.

Scenario 1: A malevolent, all-knowing, all-powerful force uses its diabolical influence to turn the markets against you whenever you make an investment in bitcoin. You have somehow raised the ire of the gods and they choose to punish you in this particular way.

Scenario 2: You're not comfortable investing when the market is down and you wait for an undeniable uptrend before investing, which happens just before the bold investors start to lock in their profits.

Hmmm, they seem equally plausible to me.  ;D


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Terwa on November 19, 2014, 06:28:38 PM
Done!
2000 $ is a good price (10 000$ is better haha)


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Dafar on November 19, 2014, 06:36:00 PM
Lol at IDIOTS who think we will see another huge rally....


I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.

Scenario 1: A malevolent, all-knowing, all-powerful force uses its diabolical influence to turn the markets against you whenever you make an investment in bitcoin. You have somehow raised the ire of the gods and they choose to punish you in this particular way.

Scenario 2: You're not comfortable investing when the market is down and you wait for an undeniable uptrend before investing, which happens just before the bold investors start to lock in their profits.

Hmmm, they seem equally plausible to me.  ;D


I honestly believe in Scenario 1, call me superstitious... but this superstition has never failed

I bought a lot more in the $300-$400 zone to cost average down... you can argue that at these prices, the market is down. So let's see if we even go back to 500-600 anytime next year


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: bornil267645 on November 19, 2014, 06:38:25 PM
I for one hope that there isn't any rally. I really hope it stays the same and give a chance to establish itself in global market.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: NotLambchop on November 19, 2014, 06:42:07 PM
Lol at IDIOTS who think we will see another huge rally....


I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.

Scenario 1: A malevolent, all-knowing, all-powerful force uses its diabolical influence to turn the markets against you whenever you make an investment in bitcoin. You have somehow raised the ire of the gods and they choose to punish you in this particular way.
...

Not Us.  We are well pleased with this earthling.

http://s4.postimg.org/9p4k1hj7x/Capture.jpg

  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Dafar on November 19, 2014, 06:53:27 PM
I for one hope that there isn't any rally. I really hope it stays the same and give a chance to establish itself in global market.


"I hope my purchasing power stays 80% below what it was last year.... I hate money, I hope I don't acquire more"




man shut the fuck up


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: coinableS on November 20, 2014, 02:56:59 AM
Lol at IDIOTS who think we will see another huge rally....


I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.

Sorry, but that's hardly scientific.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: cbeast on November 20, 2014, 03:36:12 AM
1. Soon major technology companies may announce Bitcoin mining divisions that can meet the demands of the markets.
2. Then I would guess closer to 10k, but of course it will correct between 3-6k (rule of thirds) before becoming publicly traded by licensed brokers on Wall Street.
3. Then it will grow at the rate of adoption and less on speculation.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: NotLambchop on November 20, 2014, 02:55:52 PM
^

http://s16.postimg.org/79xpstl3p/Capture.jpg


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: cbeast on November 20, 2014, 03:07:45 PM
Looks like SA sent their fourth string. Or worse, it's the Onion staff.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: NotLambchop on November 20, 2014, 03:26:04 PM
Looks like SA sent their fourth string. Or worse, it's the Onion staff.

>thinking SA ot The Onion care enough to send a mailroom boy

Such self-importance ::)


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: dunchy on November 20, 2014, 05:28:23 PM
1. Soon major technology companies may announce Bitcoin mining divisions that can meet the demands of the markets.
2. Then I would guess closer to 10k, but of course it will correct between 3-6k (rule of thirds) before becoming publicly traded by licensed brokers on Wall Street.
3. Then it will grow at the rate of adoption and less on speculation.


 ;D

This post makes no fucking sense in such a beautiful gradual fashion, it made me LOL so hard!


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: var53 on November 20, 2014, 05:36:03 PM
Lol at IDIOTS who think we will see another huge rally....


I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.

Sorry, but that's hardly scientific.

It sounds like the bought in at $1000+ and will probably dump soon because he thinks there will never be another rally. Perhaps he might change his mind during the next rally and buy back in at peak prices again.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: cbeast on November 20, 2014, 05:37:26 PM
1. Soon major technology companies may announce Bitcoin mining divisions that can meet the demands of the markets.
2. Then I would guess closer to 10k, but of course it will correct between 3-6k (rule of thirds) before becoming publicly traded by licensed brokers on Wall Street.
3. Then it will grow at the rate of adoption and less on speculation.


 ;D

This post makes no fucking sense in such a beatiful gradual fashion, it made me LOL so hard!
Does anything in this thread make sense? This thread is simply wild speculation. Was mine the only post that made you laugh? This thread is a troll firebase. Most of the posts I couldn't see, but I did find some trolls to add to my ignore list here.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: Dafar on November 20, 2014, 05:41:51 PM
Lol at IDIOTS who think we will see another huge rally....


I have scientific evidence that EVERY TIME I enter an investment it is TOO LATE... out of everything I've put money in... I have lost money 100% of the time. I am deeply invested in BTC right now (~$20K) and I can guarantee you that we will not have another rally. I ALWAYS manage to catch a falling knife, or enter the game a little too late.... I never make money, this is 100% always the case. Sorry guys.

Sorry, but that's hardly scientific.

It sounds like the brought in at $1000+ and will probably dump soon because he thinks there will never be another rally. Perhaps he might change his mind during the next rally and buy back in at peak prices again.

I bought my first half from $600-800. And my second half for around $300-$400. Lost 11 bitcoins from trading/altcoin/gambling, so my avg cost per BTC is like $800.

Not selling unless I profit.... which has never happened in my entire life


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: 600watt on November 20, 2014, 07:03:57 PM
38321,-


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: no name on November 20, 2014, 07:27:37 PM

Second half 2016. probably $2500-$3000 range.


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: kashish948 on November 21, 2014, 12:44:28 AM
Voted 2000-3000. Guess it should happen sometime in 2015!


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: bathrobehero on November 21, 2014, 12:48:40 AM
No option for no next ATH? (not that I don't want it to hit as high as imaginable, but I don't see that happening.)


Title: Re: POLL: Next rally's ATH
Post by: WeGotCactus on November 21, 2014, 01:27:34 AM
Doesn't matter when the next rally will be, 2015, 2017 or 2020, it's almost a certainty there will be one.

I think it matters. The longer it takes, the higher the new ATH.
I wish that were true. I'll be cheering right alongside you if it is true. But it could also mean that the adoption curve is flattening, and the growth rate slowing. There's no logical reason why the longer it takes, the higher the new ATH. Do you have any evidence to support that notion?