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Amount scammed: Abusing trust system

This "trusted" kid abused the trust system by giving me negative feedback for no reason.
I was looking for loan with 110%collateral + escrow ofcourse.
"Looking for 15btc "loan" while in another thread is selling the collateral he wants to use. Obviously will not repay any loan and will default to sell the collateral."
That's the negative feedback placed by him.

Like i already explain to him,and public to my loan request thread,i'm looking to fund a project by either selling my csgo skins or using them as collateral for loan.
No matter i have interest of repaying the loan or not,i'm still leaving the lender with profit.
That's a obvious proof how the trust system is abused always by retards with high trust rating.
I ask him,is there something bad if i don't repay the loan and leave the lender with 10% profit?
Also ask him what is the illegal or bad part of requesting loan no matter i'm going to pay it or not,consider the lender not going to leave scammed or without profit.
By one or another way,by paying 10% above the loan,obviously i'm not able to do anything wrong.
I always request escrow for safe transactions for everyone.
This kid calling me scammer and ruing my business and name (no matter i have low trust feedback,everyone start from somewhere).
Just because he is no-lifer without job and a lot of free time for internet,and got somehow high trust rating to abuse the rest,doesn't mean i will not do anything.
I would like to request a ban for this kid for abusing the trust system.
Also,i already told him if he is going to play a dick for no reason,i have no problem spending few bitcoins to pay peoples to abuse his trust rating.
In one or another way,trollers are going to pay for their stupidity.
Trust system must be used based on proofs or something bad/good based on the possitive/negative rating. We are not using it to troll people,we have spam section for that.

Edit: Making the troll stupidity public.
Check out the private messages we exchanged ->
https://i.imgur.com/A69jZyk.png

I've reviewed this incident and it appears to be less a case of a scam attempt and more a case of sneaky sales tactics. When I say "sneaky" I mean something along the lines of a retail store setting unusually high prices for items, then bringing them back in line with the competition by advertising them as "40% off" or something. This isn't a 1-to-1 analogy, mind you. I'm just trying to establish where this one would rate on a scamminess scale. Just MHO anyway.

...right kodoff ... ive read this whole afair seems to me like you arent really planning to repay the loan . let me make this perfectly clear you are asking for a loan . which technicaly means you are soposed to return the money. but you plan to bail out with the btc and never repay the loan.
what i believe you are trying to do is ask for a loan but actualy pawn those bloody cs skins. as in never repay the loan . what you dont understand , besides the fact that you are cheating your lender by asking for a loan when you true intent is to pawn a item , is that pawned items dont go shop price. they dont even go HALF PRICE. so if you think you want to pawn something with shop price ... heres where you cheat your lender again . or you think of him as being very stupid.
also threatening vod with paying people to atack his reputation and lower it ... that shows what kind of a scumbag you are ... again.

Hello Tomato and thanks for the review.
Let me explain you how the steam trades going so you will get my idea.
First,i'm not doing any Bump price to adverst it as "40% off"
I explain how the skins are calculated,and peoples like "master-p" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=89329  can confirm what i'm saying is not a lie.
By default,peoples trying to cashout their skins at -20% of their value.
Secondly,the key prices on steam market goes for 2.49$.
Re-sellers selling them at 1.9-2$
And the guys who want to cash out,sell them from 1.6 to 1.8.
When u sell things,your skins got calculated at lower value (they calculate the skin price at keys,and the keys at 1.6-1.9)
When u buy things with keys,the sellers calculate the keys at 2.5$ (steam market value)
That's how it was always. And everyone using csgolounge (the most famous website for csgo skins exchange) can confirm this.

So lets go straight to the loan.
The person who may want to loan me,is taking high risk loan.
I'm not saying that the loan is not going to be paid back,but i do confirm its high risk,because i may not be able to turn back the loan.
That's why the profit is there for the lender.
By default,the lender taking -20% off by buying a huge amount of skins for 10-15btc loan.
Secondly,there comes the another 10% which i'm paying above.
That's total of 30% bonus for the lender who will "risk" his bitcoins.
And i'm not calculating my skin prices by keys at 2-2.5$.
I do it at 1.7-1.9 (which is also 10-60 cents discount by default)
By one or another way,the lender cannot end "scammed" "lied" or without profit.
In the worst case,the lender is taking 30% of what he invest.
If i'm not allowed to do that,its okay,i will remove the loan request.
Also i'm not sure how the guys who gives the loans,cannot think and take whatever deal they want,no matter is high or low risk.
I know you have seen many scammers here,and i'm also happy you don't tolerate them!
But that attitude,wihout asking the questions you care about before abusing the system,makes me think there is problem with that trust system.
I have no interest to harm,lie,scam or do anything wrong.
I requested escrow + % above the requested loan.
If that guy "Vod" was so kind about the community and trying to protect it or help,he was able to send me a simple message like "Dude,you are not allowed to do that because of that that and that".
I have no problem to cancel the loan request if that kind of "deals" are not allowed.
As you guys don't know anything about csgo skins trading/prices,same i don't know anything about how the loans going.
So excuse me if i did anything wrong. And don't be dicks,if u are trying to help the bitcoin community and the users here,you better change the attitude and try to help me,and not attack me...
And yeah,i do threat "Vod" because he leaved me negative feedback without a responsable reason.
All i see is his ignorant attitude and the negative feedback without a reason.(without a reason for me)
If this is misunderstanding,Vod can remove my negative feedback.
I will do the same and also will remove my loan request.
Which is not changing the fact i'm really looking forward to do this,and if someone of you are willing to show me the path,i will appreciate it.


I'm planning to pay the loan,but the chance of not paying it is highter.
That's why i leave up to 30% profit to the lender.
Lenders do have their own brain to say: That's my deal,or that's not my deal.
And please,don't explain me how shops not going half price or etc,because i managed to cashout nearly 25,000$ via csgo skins so far.
You are not even close to anything with csgo to teach me about it.
Thanks for calling me scumbag,wish you cancer to :)

Bring this up!
I hope we will clear the misunderstanding.

While I agree that any loan made to the OP will likely not be repaid, I don't think this should matter to any lender. The purpose of collateral is to allow the lender to recover the repayment amount by selling the collateral. As long as any potential lender is certain that he can sell the cs go skins (?) for the repayment amount or more then it should not matter if the OP pays the lender back with bitcoin or if the lender sells off the collateral for bitcoin.

I personally think a warning is appropriate given the large loan amount and the apparent uncertainty regarding the actual value of the collateral being offered; I think that a neutral warning would probably be more appropriate. 

Then why not just sell them to begin with? He is asking for a loan with collateral valued from 10-30% premium if defaulted, claimed by OP. (I don't really know if the collateral is worth much.)
Neutral would probably be more appropriate IMHO and a red if default. Collateral or not as a default is still default.
Also, wanting a negative removed by claiming you were scammed by the leaver of that negative, without proof of any scam, is false and isn't helping you. I would suggest renaming and moving thread.

I think of Vods negative trust as a warning to be careful. If you want a real loan and have a collateral worth the amount, just sell it, or get a loan with the real physical currency, than bitcoin which a lot of scammers use to scam.

It looks like he is trying to sell them, but it will take time to sell anything with a total value of $6,000 on here.The OP might have short term liquidity/cash needs and might be willing to pay a premium to get to receive a large amount up front. He was up front and honest about the fact that he was attempting to sell the collateral (he had a link to the sales thread in his lending thread).

The OP has this in scam accusations but is not claiming that Vod actually scammed him, he is claiming that Vod is misusing the trust system. IMO it would be more appropriate for this to be in meta.

Really? Have you not read the title?

I wasn't familiar with the lending at all,and i already spoke with Tomatocage about that.
It seems its misunderstanding from my side because i didn't know how it work.
But that's not the thread about.
I already said to Vod that i wasn't familiar with the lendinga at all and didn't know how it works so yeah,he still have no reason to abuse the trust system because of misunderstanding which i already said its done.

And yeah he is abusing the trust system,he had chance to contact me anytime and tell me like "Dude,you cant request loan like that because of that reason and that reason and that."
Peoples like him must help the bitcoin community,not playing a dicks and being rude...
Its just because he is familiar with the loans,it doesnt mean that everyone is...

Well yeah,i didn't do anything wrong.
It's just i didn't know how to request a loan for god sake...
I don't need to get a status trade with caution just because i'm not familiar with specific section...
We need help,not abused trust system!

I still don't agree a 30% profit for the Lender can be called sneaky or shady.

Like i said before,yes its high risked load,but its not like i have no interests of repaying.
There is that kind of possibility,that's why i offered those skins for loan at lowered price + paying above.
I was selling them at -10% but when i requested loan, the prices goes down up to -30% for the total worth of the skins,and another 10% above of that.
Its not like i'm trying to give nothing if i don't repay.
If u ask me,and if i was lender,i was always going to hope that the guy who take my loan is not going to pay me.
Why? Ofcourse because i will leave with more profit than the amount i lend...
But like i said its okay,i understand that's not allowed here and the thread is closed.
Once again,we are not talking about loans here,that's not the secrtion for that.
We are talking about trust abusing from person who is doing it daily before hear or check what the case is,and what the other person can say about it.
The coin is always 2sided....
You got your story,the other person got another one.
That's how you checking is that anykind of fraud/scamm attempt,or a misunderstanding.
But abusing the trust system without even know anything about it,is absurd.

Going to bump this everyday untill the misunderstanding is fixed

That's not going to help. Be a good member for awhile, do a few deals legitimately, don't act like a baby, and then message Vod a few months from now once things have cooled down. If it appears to him that you just made an honest mistake, maybe he'll then remove the feedback.

incredible story....  :o

I was always good member buddy,and i have done a lot of trades on this forum.
I just requested feedback from 2 persons so far,i have sold skins worth of around 10k usd...
It is obvious i did mistake,and i contacted Tomatocage to help me out realize what wrong did i do.
After a bit PM conversation between us,i realized that i requested the loan wrong and ofcoruse i removed my thread...
How you think a person can continue doing business with abused "Trade with caution" rank?
I'm looking for justice for abusing trusted system by misunderstanding,i'm not looking for nothing special,just the true.
Everyone do mistakes,no one is exception

It's not a loan if you have no intention of paying it back. Most lenders ask for collateral as a gesture of goodwill, they are not interested in acquiring it and then having to sell it to get their money back. That's called trading or bartering. If you're CSGO skins are so good, sell them yourself and buy bitcoin with the money.

Just go sell your skins somewere else and stop baiting for suckers kodoff.

By the way, putting Vod "is scammer" in the title probably was not the smartest thing you could.

Had to laugh at this.


Here's some contributing factors that I think led to your negative trust:

You're a pretty new member and you didn't explain why you needed the loan, just that you needed it for a project. You didn't give any time frame which the loan will be repaid or any other information on the loan.

You're thread where you're selling the collateral and giving discounts makes it seem like you don't want the items, or have no interest in having them.

I doubt 95% of the forum knows what cs go skins are or how they work. I still am confused about what they are after reading the thread you linked.

The way you proposed the loan, your status on the forum, and your activity on the forum makes it seem to a variety of people like you aren't intending to pay the loan back.
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12-15 BTC equals about $4200 to $5250. I think you had to make your request more professional in order for it to be taken seriously and not get negative feedback. You should of had everything planned out and organized before posting because that's the only way you'll be taken seriously for that amount of money. The negative trust rating should only be used for people who've scammed or people who show strong intentions of scamming, and I don't know enough about this situation to know if you showed strong intentions of scamming or not so I can't say whether or not the feedback is valid or not.

OP is correct.  Random negative trust ratings?  Please.  I proudly wear mine and I've never attempted a trade or any other kind of action other than investigating real scammers.  A badge of honor...  Not that the trust ratings here mean anything.  I wouldn't make a trade with anyone I couldn't meet in person.

Bring this up!

Dear Wardrick,my collateral (csgo skins) worth total of 7-8000$ usd which i'm comfortable to confirm with everyone here who are familiar with my skins price.
I'm asking for 5k paying 3k more as collateral.
No matter i'm leaving the lender with the collateral without paying the btc loan,3k profit is not enough ? :D
Secondly,i said 5 times this thread have nothing to do about the loan request which i locked,it have to do with the abused trust system from the "trusted" user.

Lenders ask for collateral for protection that they will be repaid. Traditionally collateral has been something that has a very measurable value, such as altcoins. However recently collateral has become more diverse and is more difficult to determine if it is legit or not. If the OP does not intend to repay his loan then it may be an indication that it would not be realistic for anyone to be able to sell the OP's collateral at the value he is claiming it has

i dont believe that OP has any intention to pay back the so called loan. hes looking for a sucker to dump those cs skins.

Sucker who is making more money than u can earn on ur life just from pixels.
go find a job poor kid
cashed out nearly 45,000$ via csgo skins,who is the sucker ?

Why do you need a loan of 3-5K if you've done so much business already?

How is that your business?You want to help me out? How that thread have anything to do with loans? Why you care so much on obvious case?
Why should i don't need 3-5k? Is there any problem of requesting loan,no matter i'm going to turn it back or no,when i'm leaving above 30% profit ?
You guys so face "care" whats going on...
And this thread have nothing to do with loans

I would care because it would be my money going into whatever you were doing. That's a stupid question to ask. If you can't give a straight story of why you need such a large loan of course nobody is going to believe you. The reason you received negative feedback is from requesting a loan so I'm pretty sure this thread has to do with your loan, lol. Whether or not it's valid based on your request is what you made this thread for. Just because you say he's abusing the trust system doesn't he is. You posted this here for people's opinions and that's what your getting.

I don't need story,i don't need loan.
Since i was attacked and my trust rading was abused by retards who attack me before telling me i'm doing something wrong because of my lack knowledge about loans,i'm not going to deal with those bullshits anymore.
I don't need anyone to believe me,i'm not going to be the next virtual troll king.
The reason i received negative feedback is because i requested loan ? Lol,for the same reason i can abuse your trust rating and abuse yours because you are messing at place which u have no reason to.
From my point of view,i'm not doing anything wrong.
From my point of view,every lender will agree to end with 30%+ profit no matter he is going to take his loan or not.
From my point of view,everyone is here for profit,no matter what.
From my point of view,everyone will be happy to end with more money by anykind of deal,no matter is it from sale or loan.
From my point of view,leaving the Lender with something worth a lot more than his loan is something acceptable not something bad.
From my point of view,when u see someone doing a wrong request for anything,you should help him to find the right path to do it,not to attack him for his low knowledge about the section and the request itself.
I don't need your trust.
I don't need your money.
I had enough of this and i point my logic and what i was thinking for many times.
Since is not wrong by the trollers(abusers) view,i don't need it anymore,and i will take my time to sell my skins like always.

this is not about your rating (that subject is decided closed and over ) its about you learning a lesson and not behaving like a stupid boy anymore.

also keep in mind you threatened him with paying people to lower his reputation. in my opinion you deserve what you got for that alone.

The popcorn is crunching
 :-*

Bring this up.
Don't forget that idiot and do something about it

If this hasnt been said already, Vod is, like, a legendary member or something. I don't think he meant wrong. Also, I dont think he's a "kid".

Isn't good to judge on rank; bbit, owner of Hashie.co, scammed users lately and he's a Legendary member too and not a "kid" too.

Vod, however, has a solid reputation on Bitcointalk and while he hands out red trust rather freely (to me) it's usually well-deserved. He's taken a vacation for a few months so don't expect a reply from him.

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