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That sentence is a dejá vu...
I'll refrain from posting where I saw it because it was sent to me in a private message, but it came from the mouth of the same person when I brought the ageis matter into the Bitcoinica thread.
Not trying to be a dick, but, please, rjk, mind telling us why is it that when someone brings something new to the table they're always "barking up the wrong tree"? What do you know that we don't?

Sorry about making a new topic, but there is really no need to clutter the Bitcoinica thread more than it is when people are waiting for a payout that never comes. (Yes I know I did it before and that's why I'll post my findings in the reply below)

Now for some context:


And then the pearl:

Good idea to finally have a thread that is outside of the main thread for discussions.

The reason I said that is because it seems obvious to me that Gage is/was posting all sorts of things that I found to be completely impossible to believe and/or correlate with real life. He claims to have pierced some kind of secret veil and found that Zhoutong ....wait for it.... doesn't even exist. I'm sure that any of the people here that may have met him in person can attest to the absurdity of this kind of conclusion. I find no reason to pursue such a ludicrous and contrived parcel of things presented as evidence which are nothing more than proof of the opposite position.

Furthermore, in regards to the statements you made against ageis, I won't stick up for him personally. I just find that him being the hacker is hard to believe, given the fact that so much of his information is available already for those that care to actually look deeper into his online persona, which you appear to have neglected to do.

Finally, I will state that my involvement with Bitcoinica et al is nothing more than as a customer who deposited no more than a superficial amount of coins to try the service with. Those were withdrawn months ago and I now have a zero balance.

(P.S., Interesting that Liberty Payout also seems to think that I am involved with CoinXchanger and owe WME some money. I also hereby state that I have no involvement with that organization either, besides as a customer with a zero balance.)

Going off-topic for a bit, so that's the reason he keeps saying for you to give the "guy" his 100K back... LOL


Now back on topic: About ageis, I did research him, and so did I research more than that, I just didn't post it, because honestly, it wasn't my 18k BTC that were stolen.
What bugged me most was seeing phantomcircuit's(Patrick) answer on IRC when he got questioned about it: he just wrote it off like it didn't matter at all, saying ageis was surely trolling #FuckBitcoinica, when the site where the log was taken from doesn't even log any Bitcoin related IRC channel.
Now let me ask you: Isn't that the slightest bit suspicious to you? If someone stole 18K BTC from you wouldn't you follow even the most absurd lead just to be sure that wasn't the person?

I understand Phinn may be a little over the top saying that ZT doesn't exist, or else that would be the longuest con I would have seen so far. But hell, I've seen guys pretend they died from cancer just to steal $20k on some forums before, so to steal $100k I imagine what some people might do, and from all the scams I've seen so far, the scammer gets caught most of time because they commited some stupid mistake, hence why I'm not so fast to write off ageis as a suspect.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. People make mistakes, and just because he could steal 18k BTC from bitcoinica, he isn't God, he's just a regular person at the end of the day.

IRC clients can change nicks and post statuses as well as messages across several channels and servers. Although most will default to only changing a nick on a single server, it is also possible to change it across some or all of them, as well as broadcast messages to all the channels that you may be joined to, regardless of whether they are all on the same server. It's harder to tell unless someone wants to post a complete log of #FuckBitcoinica, since it was new and unlogged.


The problem is, most noobs won't know that Phin is just trolling for the lulz, since he acts so serious.

I wouldn't be so sure Phinn is just trolling for the lulz...

OK, #fuckBitcoinica was started on May 20.
Now tell me, why would someone on his right mind try to impersonate the hacker there? Any good reason you can think off? Especially because nobody else did it but ageis.

BTW, ageis is welcome to join this conversation.

It isn't registered:
And I haven't been on IRC for a while to know when it first was opened or how to check that.

I truly respect your candor here, rjk, and have no qualms with you or what you believe about me with the exception of the following.


I have posted many times for the lulz, but when I do, I've been signing said posts with ~Cackling Bear~ lately. (the moniker was given to me by Matthew in my old Indian Names thread) All other times when my postings are serious, or simply mundane, I sign with ~Bruno~ or nothing at all. I always try to be careful with my troll(?) posts, making sure I don't bring any undue harm to Bitcoin or, moreover, to whom my post(s) may be directed toward.

Unfortunately, when it comes to this Bitcoinica situation, I am deathly serious in my postings, albeit my line of thinking may seem over the top, especially now that I've been concentrating a lot of energy toward ZT (I think it best to use initials as mush as possible when referring to him, just in case, in re. what genjix has so kindly pointed out in the other thread ~ please consider doing the same as much as possible, all)

I will be the first to apology to ZT if I'm proven wrong, either by this community or from my research. I would love to stop this so-called madness if somebody here would be so kind as to post, or PM me, a recent image/video of ZT (or him doing it himself holding a sign that reads Fuck Off Bruno) with a backdrop and/or Bitcoin holding/having some Bitcoin related prop in the image/video, so that I can end this and get back to nagging Matthew, for I feel he misses me.  :'(

Until then, I'm still leaning toward the long-con and the he-doesn't-exist theory.

Thank you again, rjk, for expressing how you feel about me.

Later, bud.

~Bruno~

Does one exist, just because you can call him names?
If he existed, does it matter what names he is called?

Is this becoming a new religion?

 ... I believe in He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named for he was the one ... and so on and so forth ...
So may be it in HIS name and on the behalf of his dozen of dirty sock puppets.  ;D

So, now, the guy who has the most connections with ageis is the first to get paid?


The plot thickens.

Interesting....or he could be trolling  :)

See how big a mistake you've made!

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(Card number redacted with iPhone's "retouch". Also, a shameless promotion for NameTerrific on the card at the top of the stack.)

Well Played Zhou Toung

Zhou FTW!

So, tell me guys, which one of you would be stupid to the point of getting $100k stolen and not report it to any authorities?
Let's even forget the part that it was Bitcoin and all the legal mumbo-jumbo: Compromising computer systems over which you have no ownership is a crime in almost all of the civilized world. Why not file a report just for unauthorized access to a computer system?
Also, how does Patrick know he was using "compromised servers as proxies"? Did he investigate, talked with the owners of those compromised servers? What?

This story stinks... just sayin'

One question is bugging me for the last days: Where was that VPS hosted? The VPS which gengix said lot's of people on IRC had access to and was the entry point for Patrick's email, you know...

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/188106451/1.jpg http://qph.cf.quoracdn.net/main-thumb-29476-200-9ZEJ2kmLYWxkBNZxKuHGQtVdn9rToe5n.jpeg http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4t7amCf3Y1qfrvjzo1_500.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7238/7357766714_8813df0dbe_b.jpg

Stay tuned! Another post being penned.

~Bruno~

Funny thing really :

-two of the pics he is wearing glasses, two of the pics he ain't

-seemingly loves white color clothes

-first two pictures he is using white shirt

-last two pictures he is same rabbit shirt with blue under the collar

Paranoid FTW !

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lcSO69qyKPs/TMW-OvIonaI/AAAAAAAACGk/MOtJWm3yTeA/s1600/EatingCrow1.jpg

Please accept my humble apologies, Zhou Tong, in regard to accusing you that you don't exist. I posted the four images above in case others believe that they are not all of you, but I rest my case.

Later, bud.

~Bruno~

THE PLOT THICKENS

The ears is what finally convinced me, bulanula, although the face(s) confuse(d) me. We may have to move on and get off the identity thing, I now believe.

Later, bud.

~Bruno~

First one - 14.
Second one - 15.
Third one - 17.
Fourth one - 2 hours ago.

I found another one taken about 900 years ago.  ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c9/Zhou_Tong.jpg/220px-Zhou_Tong.jpg

 ... ok now we got some pictures can call him names ... and so what?

This bothers me too.  Computer intrusion is a crime in the US (as it is elsewhere in the Western world), especially if you mess with or delete critical records relating to customers (it's even listed on FinCEN as a crime).

The HB Gary hackers were arrested and charged.  People have been prosecuted for stealing virtual furniture from Habbo Hotel customers.  The "but...Bitcoin" excuse really doesn't fly when a business has lost the equivalent of several hundred thousand customer dollars to intrusions in a few months and had their critical information destroyed. 

Wow, I wish all I had to do to prove my identity was take a photo of myself writing a name and show a credit card with the same name.

Indeed. Maybe in China ( where he claims is from / or Australia / or Singapore / or Azeroth from WOW :D ) Zhou Tong is like John Doe.

Guess it is not too hard making a few fake name cards with John Doe in the US ...

But I think he is legit this time. His username is "zhoutong" so he must be ;D

Also ( forgot to mention in other message and can't edit ), who at 17 years of age has that many credit and debit cards ???

I am like WTF at that age you can only get a "student" card here in the UK and he has like 8 or something LOL

FWIW I only saw debit cards, which makes sense.

But let us be serious 10 debit cards ??? At age 17 ?

This guy must be MAFIA or something ... :D

I'm not exactly sure what it is for other countries or other cards, but... https://m.greendot.com/custom.aspx?T=terms_condition. I'm pretty sure that all available information is readily available online for each card and their use(s) in each country.

I'm also pretty sure that if we dig deep enough, we could nail ZT's balls to the wall, while the other players watch nearby. Maybe we should be a tad more careful of what we post about ZT, but still post facts if they are clearly indisputable. Meanwhile, there's other higher-ups in the Bitcoinica chain that could still answer questions. Perhaps shedding some more light on how C B Heaslip of PushPay became a major player is a good start.

Later, bud.

~Bruno~

FTFY ;D

Dude looks like Wesley from Star Trek.

https://i.imgur.com/gMuPL.jpg

In China, there's no age restriction to UnionPay debit cards as long as parents give permission. For credit cards, the minimum age is 16, but the liability belongs to parents.
In Singapore, minimum age for debit cards is 16.
In Australia, minimum age for EFTPOS debit cards is 12, and for Visa/MasterCard debit cards depends on the bank. (NAB says at least 18 but I had no problems getting one even though they are aware of my age.)

I am/was resident in three countries and I actively use fourfive (+ BTC) different currencies. These cards were issued by at least five different financial institutions.

What are your thoughts now Mr Phinnaeus Gage? Still think ZT is someone else?

Obviously it doesnt raise any red flags that Zhou Tong requires 10 cards, some debit(likely check with overdraft on it) and some credit, to operate his businesses ?

Does this sound like someone with any liquidity, meh.

Holy crap.. are you like 14? :P

Yep!

If I go to a bank can I get a credit card under my internet pseudonym ?

psy, crappy research dude. If I was the hacker man, would I really be stupid enough to openly change my nick like that? Do you know how IRC works?

Not bad, only took you 6 months to reply to this post.

No, I will not delete the post.
Even if that is true, and you just "changed your nick for lulz" like you said on your PM to me, next time think about how lulzy it must be to have all your money stolen before doing such a stunt.

And you didn't changed the nick as openly as you want us to believe.

psy,

I think you know by now I'm not the Bitcoinica hacker. All I was asking is if you had the decency to take a post that wrongly smears me, my nickname, and my e-mail address off of Google, because it creates unnecessary trouble for me.

No, I don't know that, sorry.
Action --> Reaction
That's how life goes.
Better think it better next time. If you don't wish to get caught on the middle of something, don't put yourself there.
I wasn't the one who forced you to "impersonate" the bitcoinica hacker.
If you want to censor this thread, report it to the Moderators.

That's fair enough. Yet let me ask you this... If you knew you pinned the wrong person, would you see fit to apologize to them?

I don't see why not.
Catch the "right person" or prove a negative and then I'll apologize.

Protip: phantomcircuit saying you were just goofing around at #bitcoinicasucks doesn't prove anything.

This image was shopped!

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/188106451/1.jpg

Did somebody say, "I'm just going to leave this here."?

http://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinmichaelgallagher

compared to this:

http://whois.domaintools.com/ageispolis.net

Hey, you found my phone number. Give me a call, bro! I'm not Anonymous. However some of my activism related to privacy, information freedom, and the surveillance state -- and personal reasons-- make it prudent for me to use an alias on my whois records (actually, I was advised by someone else to do so). If you want to mail me a letter we could arrange that too.

Too bad they didn't tell you that's reason enough to lose control of the domain as soon as they find out(or someone tells the registrar). ;)

Really? All my experience in web hosting tells me that all the registrar cares about is a valid phone number and e-mail address.

http://pastie.org/private/m0z2wlfrvgstavfd352q (http://pastie.org/private/m0z2wlfrvgstavfd352q)

He can't be the Bitcoinica hacker... cause I am.

So you deal in ancient relics? Do you have a catalogue or something.

Is that a confession?