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 Are you tired of ordinary gambling games such as slots, blackjack or roulette, but you still want your shot at the big win? Then you've come to the right place! BalloonBit is the most interesting, exciting and user friendly Bitcoin game online. Take your chance for fast profit, without having to wait forever for results or invest large amounts. The minimum bet is only 0.001 BTC and it requires no special knowledge to play. As people say 'Seeing is believing', so go ahead and press the button below (Try for free) and see just how far you can push it, Will you be the next big winner?

Inflate your balloon and your wallet today! http://balloonbit.com (http://balloonbit.com)

funny idea , good luck with it

PS : nice how u always win on "play for free"  :P

This is a coincidence, because of there is no difference between the probability of winning in the free game or real game.

Nice concept, will definitely try it :)

The game looks good, but could you make the game provably fair (i.e. the "could win" rate is determined by server seed and client seed)?

The statistics page will be added soon, and you will see the truth.

That is a cool idea. You might get more traffic and players if you lower the minimum bet. People like to try out sites like this with smaller amounts at first. Good luck with your venture.

This reminds me of moneypot.com. Can you open up a faucet maybe or a lesser min bet?

WIth moneypot, you play against others right?
Looks like a solo-moneypot game.

Looks cool.
Will try out sometime :)
But can you lower the minimum to maybe 0.0005 btc? :D
That way you will get more people.

Thanks :)

good idea~

can i see your fomula?

nice idea about the game... its unique, i guess i will love it :)

No, with moneypot you play together against the house

It seems more like a good concept, i will try it.

Suggestion: you always have to close the sound when you change pages... Please make it permanent :)

nice atmosphere in the game  :) please make a restart button in the end  ;)

Like the idea, but dude lower the music. Instant mute on that shit.

I clicked the link and after 30 seconds closed the browsers because I got tired of waiting. You really need to get a more decent host.

Agreed, haha :)


Odd... Loads fast here

Minimum of 0.001 is way to high. Not every one wants to lose 0.38$ per time they click that button.

Agreed. And minimum withdraw is also high...

Sure mate, I could spam that 99% button like 50 times before it burst. I did that like 3 times and at around the same mark it burst so you may need to adjust that a little bit as you don't want mad people. If this is really really how it should work: good luck with going bankrupt.

You need to work on the fonts really.

99% 97% etc look like 997 977 or 99Z 97Z

And no, i dont have autism

Seems like a very cool and innovative site, like other have said i would add the probably fair and such to make people want to bet and feel that the site is not rigged.

Initial odds are high.


Not a surprise

Any progress on the statistics page? I am curious in the probability distribution of the games and the house edge.

this cool buddy, hope this game popular in bitcoin gambling.. maybe some people tired with dice game :)

Funny idea but a new revolutionary gambling system at all.

Looks really interesting! what about affiliate/referral program? :)

No more page refreshes, so turn off music once, and play, it wont turn on by itself.

There is no such thing as "brand new" in gambling system.

You bet, you win, you lose, you win, you bet, you lose and lose and lose.

The house edge was lowered from 10% to 1% and won't be changed anymore. Enjoy it!

Great move!  This is starting to look like it has a solid place in the crypto gambling scene.

A few suggestions:
- (As mentioned before) A Provably fair section
- Ability to hear sounds without music
- A chat system

I will be following closely. :)

Good ideas, thank you for them!

"I just played 100 times, clicking the "97% chance to win" button and lost 15 times"

Q: What does that statistic prove?
A: Nothing. Why? Firstly because statistics don't prove anything, they just give an indication of what the truth is likely to be. And secondly because I made it up.

My point is that we can't know how true any statistics you publish are, and even if they are true, we can't know that you didn't manipulate things behind the scenes to make your friends win too much and everyone else lose too much.

The game needs provable fairness in order for people to trust it.

Seems like a cool idea, I'll definitely try out the play for free soon. Seems fun.

We remind you that the House Edge was reduced to 1%! Enjoy and have fun!

 Bitcoin gambling revievs (best bitcoin gambling reviev site) added our site with 9.6 rating!
http://bitcoingambling.reviews/ballonbit-com/ (http://bitcoingambling.reviews/ballonbit-com/)
 The best ratings. We are very grateful to them!

Q: How do you get a review site to give you a 9.6 rating when your game isn't even provably fair?

I hope the answer isn't "send them some Bitcoins"!  ::)

Edit: I found the review: http://bitcoingambling.reviews/ballonbit-com/

They give you 10/10 for "trust", which is odd considering:

1) it's a new site
2) nobody knows who you are
3) the game isn't provably fair

They also give you 9.5/10 for "community", but the site has no way I can see of even communicating with other players. Compare with PRCdice, which has an active chat box with a bunch of blindly devoted site supporters in it, and they only get 8.4/10 for "community", despite "Good chat community" being listed as a "pro" in their review.

I wish there was a better review site where the good sites got good reviews, but I guess it's not really possible; people would just game it, however it was set up.

Answer is: "The best gambling game"!

Those are the rankings as the site has just been added, the reviews rankings are adjusted as users rank the review themselves below the review. Thus reviews are actually community driven and if you feel a ranking should be lower you can deem it so and have your personal review (which influences the over all ranking) below the posts like this:

https://i.imgur.com/tKO1mQ2.jpg

Thanks, I didn't realise that.

It made me pick a rating for 'support', and I had no idea what to say since I've never had to use it. Allowing commenters to opt out of giving individual ratings would be useful.

I see, i'l see what I can do. You can checkout the post (http://bitcoingambling.reviews/ballonbit-com/) now that I approved your reviews and it reflects in the overall score. I have it set to user reviews influencing the overall score 70%, But am thinking I may increase it.

Maybe take user comments into account and use them to modify the main review if appropriate. The site owner was asked to add provable fairness and replied that he'd be adding stats soon, as if that proves anything...

We are currently in the process of this and are scheduled to launch in a month or two.  We want to make sure we have accurate information and are working on ways to help users avoid sites that are likely to exploit their players. 

I'll be sending you a PM Dooglus shortly with some ideas I had as I know that you're trusted and want better transparency and security for crypto gaming sites.

lol.

I wish the game was real...

http://i.gyazo.com/cab66c731225dd85409d34a738265a35.png

Nice concept mate.  ;D

This is intresting

a few bugs but it's fun

Nice concept, but the thread topic is misguiding . It says a new gambling system, but it should be a new gambling site or idea.

I signed up for your site using a long secure password.

Then it sent a copy of the password to me in a plain text email!

I think, that you are mistaken.
There is no emailing yet.

This thread is now about http://bitcoingambling.reviews/

Agree with others that you have to make the game provably fair.



Doog, it is all your fault lol. :D

thanks for the heads up i had the welcome email set as the default template but i removed the welcome email entirely now.

ouhh its fun, nice concept 
but i wonder where the ballon fly.. lol

This game sucks.

http://puu.sh/db19r/7cf73eca83.png

Random is random.
Nothing is impossible. The probability of such a scenario is 1 to 10000.

I feel sorry for you, for real. But there is a good one, that the bets where minimal.

That's really unlucky but at least you can be sure that the site didn't cheat you. Simply verify the rolls by - oh, wait... Scratch that, they refused to make it provably fair. So maybe they did cheat you.

Cheat for 0.002 BTC?   =)
What do you mean about make provably fair? What could I add to my site to prove you that there is no deception?

this game is fun and im enjoying it  :D

provably fair (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=provably+fair)

At least for me, the sound auto plays but the sound icon shows it muted. If I click the icon the sounds becomes muted but the icon shows it as playing.

After I win or lose the modal has a z-index issue which show it behind other elements so I can't click it. This breaks the site, since when I hit ESC and the modal closes the site doesn't revert back to the main page, it's stays on the bet page but the buttons fail and the button fail to register.

I'm using Chrome Version 39.0.2171.71 m on Win if that helps.

Side Note: You don't need to make the z-index so high (2147483649) using 0, 1, 2, 3 etc will make it easier to understand what comes before and after elements.

Thank you for your post its very helpful for us.

http://provablyfair.org/submit-site/   404 Not Found
http://provablyfair.org/verified-sites/   404 Not Found

Is there at least one site that has passed this verification?

No problem :)

Quick question; are you planing on implementing provably fair?

And if so, what is the time frame?

There is no cheating on our site. If there is an opportunity to prove it, of course I'd like to do it.

Time frame is  +0 GMT

Logs page are not adapted for parsing. Would you like us to add special page for parsing?

We are adding Provably Fair system to our site today, therefore site will be unavailable for about one hour, so do not worry about that!

Provably Fair

We have included a system to provide Provably Fair results, so you'll know each of your wagers are fair and the outcome can not be manipulated.

So how does this work? Each new bet must generate a number from 0 to 100, where 0 means winning x0 and 50 - x2, 100 - x100 etc.

To make it possible for you to verify this number we use the following system: Each user can enter their own Client Seed (See Profile Settings) to be used in the verification so you can add your own personal factor. The client seed is added with the players nonce (first game would be 1 for example), the resulting string is added with the users login. Client seed (lowercase) + nonce + login (lowercase) That result will be user's message, for example ( ex. User balloonbit chooses the client seed - clientseed then begins his first game the results will look like: clientseed1balloonbit)

Every 24 hours our server will generate a Server Seed and 8 numbers from 1 to 128. At the end of 24 hours we will publicly release our Server Seed and the generated numbers so you can verify your results were correct and fair!

The server seed is used as a secret key hashing sha512, and this combined with the user's message gives us a new 128 character hash.

Example Hash: Message = clientseed1balloonbit, Server Seed (Secret Key) = serverseed
The resulting Hash: 41bcc41bb248b6e136a66ef6b6a8773edba8677ea50fa1bac42ee10a5cf675a5991c856d5d1c72b eb5a0f851e33ef41e75ed7ed95c60bd83d0565ec538af3338

As well as this hash we select 8 numbers (digits from 1 to 128) and they form a hexadecimal number.

Example of a hexadecimal number: For this example we will use: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8, we take the first 8 characters of the hash and get: 41bcc41b

Afterwards, we convert this number to decimal and then divide it by 101 and the remainder will give us our random number.

Example of random number: hexadecimal number 41bcc41b we convert that to a decimal and get 1090520080 then divide this by 101 and get the remainder of the division 52. This will be our random number and in this case the player may inflate the balloon to 2.04.

I enjoyed the free try, if i had some cash to try on it would be nicer.

The Provably Fair system is good news :)

That's good news.

I just played a couple of free games but didn't see anything about hashes.

Do I need to pay to check out the provable fairness?

I've tried signing up, but when I click 'submit' on the registration form it very unhelpfully tells me "Error".

I've tried picking various different usernames in case someone already registered mine, but that doesn't help. Could you be a little more specific about the "Error"?

Weird doog, I just tried to sign up and I didn't have a problem. I chose dooglus as the user expecting it not to work so I'm going to send you the details in a pm now, so you can change all the info over :)

Are using any third-party programs that that can somehow affect the JavaScript  on our site?
Error is written only while JavaScript verification are passed, but server verification not, but it's impossible if you do not change our JavaScript.

Great idea! I deposited 0.03 and ill try this out. So much suspense!

why my ballonbit's screen site become darker when I pressed "PICK UP THE WIN"
and I can't continue to play it again unless I reloaded it

http://i61.tinypic.com/vpvi1x.jpg

That bug appear in some versions of Google Chrome.
We are fixing it.
Please specify your Google Chrome version to help us fixing it.

I'm not running anything that is able to affect the JavaScript on your site, no.

Could it be that your server verification is stricter than the client verification?

The password I tried setting was 9AD#Npj@9L7vKK&VlzaIrDS%Z7X7E5WN - could it be any of the "special characters" that broke things?

...

Yes, apparently it's the & in the middle.

Setting the password to "abcdefghijklmn&mnopqrstuvwxyz" gives "Error" but removing any of the letters makes it legal. It seems the bug only happens if there are at least 14 characters either side of the ampersand. I can't imagine what you're doing that would cause this to happen. :)

Edit: now I'm using the 'dooglus' account that Arrogant registered for me. I'm trying to change the password, but each time I go to settings, type the old password once and new password twice, then "submit" it, it tells me "Email has been successfully changed" and doesn't change the password.

I think that we will became truly the best  because of you =)
Maximum password length is 32 symbols.
Try to do not input email, and only old password, and new ones.

Yeah me too!

But I hope make it rain here sometime soon.

Rain?  Its interesting, will make.

I'm using firefox
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/33.1/releasenotes/

Ok, first firefox, i think i found what's mistake is here.
Thank you very much!

But "abcdefghijklmn&mnopqrstuvwxyz" is only 29 symbols, so it must be something else.

Are you replacing & with & maybe? That would make it 33 symbols, but it seems odd to do replacement in password strings.

Yes, we are replacing, for noncheating. I found what's mistake is, you found it for real, JavaScript thinks that there is 32 symbols, and server do 33 symbols.
I will speak with my boss to give bonuses for users like you, thank you very much again, will think what to do with that.

Yeah reminds me of moneypot as well..!! A faucet to this site would be really good..! I dont expect many ppl to try it out with that min bet in place.! If they lower it a bit then..mayb.! GL with it anyways.! :)

We could lower min bets and withdrawals, but then we have to take the costs of the commission from our members.

Thanks. You can just put it in my account, 'dooglus'.

"The Deposit is charged on the balance of the user after receiving the first confirmation"

"credited to" rather than "charged on" would be better there.

Edit: I deposited, and it seems it takes 2 confirmations, not one, before the account is credited.

Thanks for u again!

User dooglus receives bonus 0.1 BTC to his balance for helping us in the improvement and development of our game!
Greetings!

Ah, I was just going to report that I deposited 0.1, lost a bit, and now my balance was 0.2! :)

https://i.imgur.com/W3OtCXx.png

Thanks!

Edit: easy game :)

https://i.imgur.com/z3nSxxF.png

Congratz! Dooglus won 10BTC!! wow!

Edit: Above post got edited.

http://i.gyazo.com/e104ea79228738460d9ef535699118d8.png

You cut off the bet history above the interesting part:

https://i.imgur.com/oeqvzZY.png

Can you see what I did there?

(Note that I PM'ed the owner telling him about the exploit, didn't withdraw anything, then waited for him to take the site down before posting this 'clue').

That is what happens when the players are more experienced in gambling than developers, we are eternally indebted for dooglus found this bug. Soon correct and open site.

And if developers are in a hurry to updates.
We apologize for any inconvenience caused once again.

When will the site be back working?

About an hour.

Also a spelling mistake :-
It Says "Withdrew" instead of "Withdraw".
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FW3OtCXx.png&t=546&c=xF_IaUs5F02cVQ

First SatoshiCarnival, now BalloonBit.. seems this missing delimiter between the client seed and nonce are a typical thing for those sites with joyful-party names heh :P Actually BikiniDice also almost introduced that bug, perhaps together with some Brazilian Carnival photos I guess.


(site is down, but I assume that was the bug)

No, that's right. All the lines are past tense.


Yeah, that's the one.

Game was opened again.
we were forced renew our history once again, We apologize for any inconvenience caused and hope for your understanding.

I deposited 0.002, didn't got it.
Username : SpreadBit
TXID: https://blockchain.info/tx/4950e8bc74602bbe59ab26624e165c71db4afa718c68c5999808da4d3621b588

Your deposit still is not confirmed/

See carefully, got 2 confirmations. :/

Lost my 0.03 btc... Its a fun idea though (site could be a bit better designed, it got a bit slow, and the deposit took a while after 1 conf).

Warning! All current games will be stopped for five minutes before opening the server seed and string (as if you pressed the button to pick up the win). You will be notified about it for an hour before.

Looks interesting. I might give it a go  ;D

Me too. And I think its an easy money. Correct me if Im wrong.

If you were right, we all were playing right now :D

I don't understand what you mean. What is this commission you mention, and why would a lower minimum bet affect it?

As far as I can see, lowering the minimum bet to 100 satoshis or something (1 bit) would get more people playing, and would reduce the variance for you.

I clicked 'bet with BTC', it asked for the bet size, with 0.001 already showing in the box. I decided to go with the default, hit 'start', and it complained 'minimal bet is 0.001 BTC'. Well, that's the default value that I used!

https://i.imgur.com/nkNb2a8.png

It seems I have to retype the value - the pre-filled value doesn't work, and the error message is confusing (the problem isn't that my bet is less than the minimum, it's that I didn't type a number at all it seems).

Edit: I don't see the hash of my server seed anywhere. You should publish that in advance so we can be sure you have committed to it.

The 'history' table also isn't updating for me when I bet - I have to reload the whole site to see myself listed on it.

Here's a table showing how each of the 101 possible 'remainders' maps to a payout, to help with verifying the provable fairness:

It is shown and could be changed in profile settings.

This is the most interesting post i have seen in btctalk in a while. Doog you really are good at everything related to gambling!

You are just figuring this out?  ;) 

Nice & unique game.
I like ballonn since I was kid...until now  :D

Gonna try it and hope it is provably fair

Looked nice..
Until I lost 0.13 on the 97% bet.
Yeah... Balls.

The game seems to work pretty well now that the provable fairness isn't obviously cheatable.

I tried a few Martingale style bets and managed not to bust. It's tricky because there's on a 100x range between the min and max bets, so there's not a lot of space to have a losing streak play out:

https://i.imgur.com/YikWqc4.png

Good to see something new here. Be careful with your code next time and you're good to go! :)

It's kind of like a slower less fun version of moneypot.com, which I guess is where the idea came from. But the design is nicer I think.

both sites also have their own version of exploit.. Luckily , both have their second chance.

Balloon burst
You have lost: 0.00200000 BTC
You could win: 0 BTC (x0)

wtf? :/

First day of provably fair History is shown now.
Please check it out.

why sometime first time i click the balloon burst, chance 99%.  :-[

in 1% of the times that happens, if you cant live with that then dont bet :D

You can think of that first click as being the house edge.

1 time in 101 it fails, and you lose.

If you get past that first bet, you have a 50% chance of reaching 2x, a 10% chance of reaching 10x, etc. In general, a 100/N percent chance of reaching Nx - it's as if they is no house edge *once you get past the first click*.

So the house edge of the game is 100/101 = 0.9900990099%. :)

Edit: nice result here!

https://i.imgur.com/iTj7mS5.png

do you mean if i can get past my first click, then easy go to 2x with chance 50%

Not really - I mean if you can get past the first click, just set a target and your expected value is exactly 0 - you don't expect to win or lose anything after that point. You'll get to 2x half the time, 10x 10% of the time, etc. just as you would expect.

It's getting past the first click that is the "unfair" part (the part that gives the site its edge against you) - because 0.9900990099% of the time you fail to do it, and when you DO manage it, you're only at 1x payout - so you've taken a small risk for no payout. After that, you get 100% "true" odds.

I just tried playing "for BTC".

It told me my balance was "NAN" and when I made the first click, the spinner just kept spinning indefinitely.

When I reloaded the page, I discovered I was logged out, presumably because my login had timed out overnight.

This could be handled better!

https://i.imgur.com/Fg0pKjC.png

Thank you for letting us know about this bug.

Apparently your house edge is now 10%. When I played for fun, the first click, the house edge, said 90% of 1x my bet, instead of 99%.

Not for me. Here's what I see for the first click:

https://i.imgur.com/yTKPZfi.png

and the 2nd:

https://i.imgur.com/Ji7IHbd.png

Can you post a screenshot please?

Mistake, only writing that, for real its 99%, waiting for hosting to upload some new updates and will fix it too.

You could add a referral program to convey other users to the site  ;)

or probably start a signature campaign to make your site grow bigger and become well known among btctalk members

first time i try it for free

Your Bet: 1 btc
Current Winnings: 100 btc (x100)

why i didnt play for real money  ???

Right! I kick myself for punking out at 5x or something to see I could have made it to 100x !

hope luck with this one  8)

I've try that too
but how to prove that free game and real game is using a same script ?

I mean free game using a "high chance" of winning to attract someone to play a real one

Luck and more credit btc will do the trick. :)

Same formula is same random is little different . Try for free game random is by Java Script, real game random is Provably Fair. The probability of a single number in two randoms is not much different.

When I found the exploit in your site's provable fairness the first thing I did was try it out on "play for free" and it didn't work.

I almost gave up, but then I guessed maybe you were only using provably fair for 'real' games, so I tried that and it worked.

It would be better if you used provably fair for all games - then people can try it out with no risk and get to understand how the game is fair.

I had tried the same on free play, a week before. I couldn't find anything. So, I thought the site is all good. The good interface probably got into my interpretaion. :)

Good job, Dooglus :P

Try for free version dont ask for server for now, and its going fast. If we'll add provably fair in try for free version then every step will ask server seed and server string from server.

Yea, thanks to Dooglus for his help in the rapid development of the site.

nice website, really looks great and provably fair
waiting for my withdrawal now

Your BTC where sent to you after 7 minutes withdrawal was ordered.

yea i totally agree with him, you should be able to test it first=)

thanks a lot, received them!

I'm happy you love our game =)

 ;D

https://i.imgur.com/EfGjVsc.png

 ;D

I won lol

after how many times?  :D

17 tries :)

my withdraw???

Transactions will be processed within one hour from the time the withdrawal is requested.

You BTC where sent to you after 10 minutes. It takes some time to make sure that there was no cheating.

nice~receive~

Lots of updates such as dynamic logs, a comfortable window of bets and more.
P.S. Provably Fair PVP is under development now.

Chat is added. Please enjoy!

When i use enter to send the message in chat, it reloads the page.. :/

Ok I see, thanks a lot for U.

I tried withdrawing 0.5 BTC over an hour ago. My balance went down, but I didn't receive any coins.

Please be more attentive to
   Minimum withdrawal amount is 0.01 BTC. The current maximum withdrawal is 1 BTC per 24 hour. Transactions will be processed within 24 hour from the time the withdrawal is requested.
Note personally for you: Users who have not won BTC and have received a gift from us could have wait a little longer.

We bring you our apologies if we have delivered you any inconvenience.

Most of the withdrawals will be made in less than 10 minutes, some users suspected of cheating will wait for about an hour and the user that had received a gift will wait 24 hours.
We bring you our apologies once again if we have delivered you any inconvenience.

I saw this in a recent forum post:


and didn't realise it had changed.

When we talked about the 1 BTC bounty for me reporting the exploit in your site instead of stealing your bankroll, you agreed to pay me 1 BTC so long as I waited "a few days" before withdrawing it. That was 5 days ago. "A few" typically means 2 or 3. Note also that this wasn't a gift, it was a bug bounty for a serious exploit that I found. I did the honourable thing and reported it rather than helping myself to your coins. Now it's your turn. I have waited over 100 hours already - more than you requested that I wait.

Initially you say that you receive from us an email with your password supposedly open (although we encode all the passwords and can not find them) and we do not send you emails when registering. Now you blame us that that we lied about the time of the withdrawal, being inattentive. Please excuse us, but we start to doubt your honesty.

YOu found a bug, thanks for you for that, we were not required to pay for it but nevertheless we did not haggle with you and we have added to your's balance as much as you asked, despite we have had very great difficulties with the bankroll at that moment , and  we remind you that you said that will not withdraw them at all, as you play, so waiting 24 hours for you will not be a big problem.

I was talking to inkha about his review site. I made that clear by quoting the post I was replying to in my reply.


I'm not accusing you of lying.


I don't mind waiting 24 hours.

I would suggest however that if a 0.5 BTC withdraw is going to cause you problems then you shouldn't be offering a 100x payout with a 0.1 BTC max bet. That allows people to win 9.9 BTC per bet. What are you going to do if someone wins that much?

Not a problem for honesty users and deceitful competitors can wait, the more we do not break our rules.

i withdrawed a smaller amount in the last 24 hours without any problems. just saying.

Thank you very much for your honesty, hard to compete against powerful opponents when all believe them, though they lie.

User dooglus dismisses deceitful rumors about our site, besides, he left us a dishonest assessment on the site http://bitcoingambling.reviews/ballonbit-com/ (http://bitcoingambling.reviews/ballonbit-com/) and this is after we gave him 1 BTC to his balance for his help. We did not understand the reason for his actions but for today revealed that he owns the site competitor us and the truth came to light. So we reserve the right to pick up our gift back, which he did not have time to withdraw (0.5 BTC) because of new circumstances. If you believe that we have been treated unfairly please type your opinion here to change our mind.

Your website is fair, provably fair, trustable and investable too.
There are some problems but its very good concept!

Good Luck!  ;)

First, I'd like to say that I enjoy your site, think it has great potential and want to see it succeed.

With that being said, I really think you need to step back and give this a little more thought before making any rash decisions.

Yes, Dooglus has opened a new site, however I have no reason to believe he needs to smear any other sites and he's only competing against your site indirectly as he is only operating in Clams (an alt-coin that takes some hoop-jumping to play for actual bitcoin).

If Dooglus had malicious intent, I think he would have quietly exploited your code and destroyed your wallet instead of bringing it to light so that your site is able to move forward.

Please also note that I do not know Dooglus and have brought some concerns to his attention about his site as well (that he has responded to in his just-dice thread). 

I think this is more of a problem of miscommunication. The review site that was mentioned here had a few flaws, one of them being passwords being emailed (that you mistook as your site being accused of this) and the inability to edit the reviews without providing new scores.

I am speculating here, but I believe Dooglus gave you a low trust score not because he thought that you couldn't be trusted, but because you are a relatively new site, you are not well known in the bitcoin community, and there's not enough experience or history to really base a good trust rating off of. 

Trust is earned and I think you have the opportunity to show that you deserve it.  I can only imagine the frustrations of being a gaming site operator and Dooglus can probably share a few stories with you, but going back on your word will never fix this issue and permanently damage your reputation.

Why are you taking doog's review there so seriously? bitcoingambling.reviews isn't a popular site, and I believe only a very small of number of bitcoin users will have seen the review if you haven't posted the link.

We have treated the man with kindness and he stuck a knife in the back to us.

Biggest problem is that he spreads lies about us and still requires from us something he did not deserve.

I went to a shop to buy a diamond ring for my wife today. The cost was 10,000$. But, I had a note of 20,000$ and asked the shopkeeper for change.
Then I turned to my wife and told her, that I didn't like the ring and the clerk was rude. The shopkeeper kept the 20K note, and didn't return it :(
He said, that I stabbed him in the back, and it caused him loss of business.

To buy and to steal are two very different things!

Do whatever you want, a given bonus is a given bonus unless applied rules where told at the moment the bonus was given. I assume this is not the case and hereby you are officially a scammer. I liked your website but reading all the information above concering dooglus' case I'm sure I'll never use it again.

If he is so honest why he spread lies about us? He got their money (we withdrew it all up to this point and still is waiting 24 for his last withdraw ) then why lie about us after?

What dooglus did:
 Initially you say that you receive from us an email with your password supposedly open (although we encode all the passwords and can not find them) and we do not send you emails when registering. Now you blame us that that we lied about the time of the withdrawal, being inattentive. Please excuse us, but we start to doubt your honesty.


At the site where written about 24 hours withdrawal waiting where is the scam? 12 hours still did not passed. We are doubt in his honesty so we will use that time to think whether he really deserved this bonus.

I have spread no lies about you. What do you think I'm lying about?

If you think it's dishonest of me to say that I don't have much trust for your site, you're wrong - I don't! It's new, you have no WoT presence, and don't seem to even know the BTC gambling scene very well at all. That doesn't mean you're bad, it just means we have nothing to go on to be able to trust you. We are beginning to get an idea of how trustworthy you are though, since you seem to be backing out of a deal in which you promised me 1 BTC if I waited a few days. I've waited, and not received it.

Please reconsider your decision to go back on your word. It makes you look bad when people see you doing untrustworthy things like that.

You said that we have sent an email to you where we have revealed your password, when they are encoded and we couldn't see them. After that you said that there was written about 1 hour withdrawal waiting while there was written 24 hours.

Firstly you gave us trust rating 3/10 because of our game was not provably fair, a week has passed since we added it, but you thought that nothing has changed. You gave us community 3/10 saing there is no chat, now we have it and there is still no any changes from you. Is this honesty?

I answered this already. That post wasn't talking about your site, it was talking about the review site you used. I quoted the message I was replying to in the message.


I answered this already too. You wrote on the forum that it was 1 hour.

So are you going to pay me the agreed amount or not?

Edit: both posts we're arguing over still exist on the forum. Here's the post where I tell inkha that his site is sending unencrypted passwords:


and here's the post where you say that withdrawals take up to 1 hour:

You continue to lie. There was written 24 hours, since chat has been added, and you have logged to the game just after seeing in our branch that we have added a chat and apparently felt the competition and issued withdrawal.

Bring us your personal apology for lying upon us put an honest ratings about us and you will receive your remaining gift.

wow, you're dense.

I have reviewed many sites.

Am I expected to regularly revisit all the sites and update my reviews if things change?

The low trust rating is because I don't have much reason to trust you. You're new, and trust is earned.

Doing silly things like going back on your word about paying a bug bounty is only going to make people have less trust for you, not more.


This is like talking to a brick wall. I saw the statement on your thread, posted by you, that withdrawals take up to 1 hour. Maybe you updated it on your website, I didn't notice and haven't checked since.

Since relaunching Just-Dice I've not had much time to play on other sites and so I am withdrawing my balances from them. I hope that's OK with you. I don't see you as competition; my site doesn't accept Bitcoin, and you hardly have any customers.


I haven't lied, and don't owe you an apology. You didn't give me any gift, we negotiated a bug bounty for a serious exploit on your site that I discovered.

I'll ask again (I think 3 times is enough for me to be clear about what trust rating to give you here):

So are you going to pay me the agreed amount or not?

ballooonbit gave me 0.001 btc to try out the site and i won 0.02 btc i requested 0.01 btc withdraw and 0.01 left in the site to play with!
the site is very cool..i saw someone win 1 btc right before i played lol wish that was me :P
anyways i have no reason not to trust the site..they gave me a freeplay, i requested withdraw and i have already recieved the withdraw! that was faster than 24 hours btw! i will continue to play here, this site is one of the coolest btc gambling sites around today!
i got nothing but kind words for balloonbit! they are a-o-k in my book!
keep up the good work!

you have found a bug, but we did not have to pay you for it, it was our gift to you for your help.We asked how much you want and you're asked 1 btc, we have added it and you always withdrawn. After that you have wrote that You saw at withdraw form was written 1 hour but there was written 24 Isn't that lie?
Further it was found out that you have a your own game that is our rival. And after adding chat you know that more your game is not better than our and that's why you still continue to lie.

About your withdrawn I told you  Bring us your personal apology for lying upon us put an honest ratings about us and you will receive your remaining gift.

thanks for your honesty, hope all members will be like you and not such as Dooglus who solicit money from us for his lying and corrupt

That reply, and there lots more, why do you thinks users type that? I did not asked about that for nobody.

I'll answer to you, thats because of we are honesty and are paying all winnings. So if you want your gift to you there is time to admit you're wrong and apologize to us.

BalloonBit you fucking mongol. You may as well just close your craptacular site and forget about any form of success you will ever have now that Doog has JD up and rolling again.

If I see "1 hour" written in one place, and don't notice "24 hours" written in another place, then mention that I saw "1 hour written", that isn't a lie, no.

I haven't lied about your site.

If you had any idea about the Bitcoin gambling space you would have heard of my site a year ago. It has been up since June 2013. It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that I own a site. And it's irrelevant. I found a bug, reported it, agreed a bounty with you, agreed not to withdraw it for a few days while you got your bankroll in order, then tried to withdraw it and you refused.

That's an abuse of trust, and is why I'll be leaving negative feedback for you if you don't remedy the situation.

You said 24 hours, so I'll give you 24 hours.

You do interestingly , implicitly trust the person for his past achievements and he in turn uses this and throws honest people.

We have not yet made a decision about you, I still think you're a liar. if during these 24 hours, we do not receive the deserved apology, then you will be deprived of our gift to, if you will act according to conscience you will receive it.

Honest people don't refuse to pay bug bounties that have been earned and agreed upon.


What do you think I have lied about? Do you understand that the "you sent my password" message was addressed to inkha about his review site?

My conscience is clear. Everything I have written is true.

I apologise if you were hurt by anything I wrote. I think you misunderstood a lot of it. I apologise if my English isn't very clear for you. I don't apologise for lying, because I didn't lie.

Get fucked you dickweed.....

I'd recommend you guys take this to Private messages.  Hopefully you can resolve something there and if not, you can make a post about it later once a decision has been finalized.

People are coming here just to bash OP based on Just-dice loyalty and it is starting to get out of control.

For example, this guy registered a brand new account for the sole purpose of calling OP a dickweed.  ::)

I really hope you guys clear up misunderstandings.  It's a really nice and unique site, but i am in agreement that if OP goes back on his word, it's chances of success will be minimal. 

Ive PMed him to talk about that problem private he did not answered me, so that it is not the first time he advertise our problems out and instead of helping us get from him only problems, so and after arrogant tried to break into our chat (I know they are together, who needs proof pm me)
 So I decide that he does not deserve any gifts from us, the topic is closed.

Dooglus and Arrogant are cheaters, give us some time to fix problems and after that I'll post revealing post here and will prove to everyone that they are tricksters, including some PMs to our account in which they cheated us on BTC.

I just saw your PM and have now replied to it.

And I'm not together with Arrogant. We're just good friends.


I don't know what you're talking about. I found an exploit in your provable fairness implementation, used it to win 10 BTC, then reported it to you without withdrawing anything. You fixed it, and took the 10 BTC out of my balance. Is that "cheating"?

Edit: I guess you're referring to this?

https://i.imgur.com/j3WMG49.png

I'm nothing to do with whatever is going on in the chat. When I tried it the chat wasn't updating at all and was causing a page reload if you hit return so I stopped trying to use it.

It's really beyond me what you are on about, I've done nothing but help you improve your attempt at a site. Also from what I saw dooglus did the same by helping you fix HUGE site bugs.
You seem to misconstrue most things from what I see. Maybe attempt to understand better, but false accusations and lies are definitely not a way to go about things.

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remind you as you asked Bitcoins  for review site and agreed to put a very high score for a large payment, without warning about the assessment system, and then immediately estimate falls due dooglus rates.
I'm sorry but I'm not having time for you, wait until tomorrow to revelations.

Maybe he is not a rich website developer yet - 10BTC is a lot of money. Anyone would be afraid to lose that. Perhaps that is why he reacted that way.

If you discovered an exploit and showed it to him, and you had no intention of withdrawing because you KNEW it was via an exploit, then fair game. I hope you didn't find a way to hack the site, but then again maybe you did and it was for good intention.

Allow me to tell you all a story - a week or two ago, a bitcoin gambling site known as Dragon't Tale was hacked for 50 bitcoins. FIFTY! Not gambled, straight up hacked. Ironically, the hacker gave the bitcoins back the very same day. He claimed he was from anonymous and was just helping them to update security.

There are good hackers in the world who will try to protect people who are doing good - especially anyone in the bitcoin community. So why did they learn to hack? I don't know, maybe to fight the government - or chase down scammers - obviously the Dark-net and many bitcoin places are full of anonymous members. Good and evil hackers - it's all yin and yang everywhere don't you see?

Everyone needs to calm down and work together here - we are all brothers and sisters.

Don't let the internet be your shield - imagine this person is in the same room with you.

I don't want to see any of my friends on bitcointalk get negative feedback. And the site is beautiful. I myself have won 5 bitmil off 1 bitmil.


Everyone remain calm and lets reach a resolution without anyone getting hurt ok? If I had legitimately won 10 bitcoins, I'd hate to see them go because the site suspected me of luck. So lets get honest versions of our stories please?

I found a way of cheating. I used it to win 10 BTC. I didn't withdraw the 10 BTC. I PM'ed the owner and told him how I did it. He shut down the site, fixed the problem, took the 10 BTC back, agreed to pay me 1 BTC for my help, and reopened the site.


If you don't know how to break security, you can't make a secure site. Yin and yang as you say.


Good suggestion. There's no need for all this name-calling and threats. I just want what's owed to me.

Edit: I just checked my private messages. I replied to the first one agreeing to talk privately, but apparently it's too late for that, and he has decided he is indeed going to go ahead and ruin his reputation over this bug bounty...

https://i.imgur.com/HWrvOTA.png

I said I'd wait 24 hours before posting the negative feedback, and I will. I keep my word.

It will be interesting to see this "proof" he's threatening me with. I call his bluff.

Message from dooglus only after I told I seen through their cheating. He knows what I mean and he's frightened for. Please give me time till tomorrow and all you will see I'm talking about. There will be lot of words and I have no time for that with my english. I have lot of problems with our chat and I'm fixing it.

I replied to your PM as soon as I saw it. I saw it when you pointed it out with this message:


I don't check my PM inbox constantly!

And I'm not frightened. I've not cheated you or anyone else, so what do I have to fear? You'll make up some crap story and nobody will believe you.

There was no private, after we added 1 BTC to your balance you  immediately discovered about our mistake to everyone, realizing how this blow to our reputation, and that in difficult economic time it will make it worse, so that about any helping could not being any talk

Arrogant account is banned, dooglus has not yet been banned, will see. Really have no time for this now, please understand. Closed chat dont costs anything.

Learn fucking english. Most people gambling here are American who can't gamble freely in the U.S.

Dooglus helped you, arrogant probably took advantage of the site, they are not related to one another.

Honestly, casinos make enough. If you program the site and you leave a vulnerability its YOUR fault. Not anyone else's. I see no reason as to why Arrogant should be in trouble here if he took advantage of such a flaw, its again YOUR fault. You created the site, not him. Dooglus did the honorable thing but fuck that, if I found a vulnerability I would exploit it to the max. Half of the casinos around here are rigged server seed providing games and make enough off users. For a player to run the house for once, I fully applaud.

I agree - however I get the feeling that balloonbit is not a big time casino investor with a full team. I have a feeling he is a small mom and pop store - a house run business - and I applaud that for him making a site that CAN go mainstream.

He has done good work - just needs to learn better english maybe and also remain calm as arrogant is apparently not mad over not winning his 10 BTC. So if he isn't angry, balloonbit shouldn't be either. But if I were small time casino and my bankroll was only 10BTC and I had someone win 10BTC - even if they gave it back, I'd still have adrenaline in my system and not able to think str8.

You guys are right - wait 24 hours then talk again. Cheers!

Shame - this turned ugly pretty fast. :-\

   The truth about Dooglus and his pawn Arrogant.
I did not tell you about their actions initially, but that others do not fall for their divorce, I'll tell you about it.
I'll start from beginning. It all began with first Arrogant's PM to me where he said about his site http://bitcoingambling.reviews (http://bitcoingambling.reviews) and he will add a review about my website if I'll pay him some BTC. (That like the honest reviewers works in Bitcoin world) Advertise advertise, so i have paid to him. He gave us big rating (I think he do to everyone like this) I've asked to gave us some more rates for some more bitcoins, he agreed and gave us the biggest score. 5 minutes later I see my ratings fall down. Only on our site appears overview as once there Dooglus appear with his opinion and destroys our rates. Here I will explain a little bit how they work: Arrogant offers high scores for some BTC, then comes Dooglus and rates falls down, No one warns you about how the system of rates works. (In my thread Dooglus left a message which asks how such an rates for my site, and if it is not send me some BTC, where he knows everything? I repeat you that 5 minutes there was big rates, and then Dooglus come, this is their first fraud for money. Do you think that's a coincidence? Ok, lets go next).
 We begin to argue with Douglas about his rate about site (me know we are not cheating and we are not going to do it, Dooglus it understands, but still tells us that we are dishonest because at the moment we have no Provably Fair). We are very interested in Provably Fair system so we have started do design our own. Dooglus constantly pours us in mud, until we do it (apparently to hasten us to quickly grab a piece of pie).
 You see my English so I've asked Arrogant to help us with texts on site (for lot of BTC of course). With lot of texts there comes text about Provably Fair system, and being such an experienced person in gambling he could not not to notice our mistake, being Dooglus friend he could not not to notice our mistake because of lots of gambling site made it. I'm sure he knew about our mistake even before we opened it and working on me was to prevent this. But apparently Dooglus asked not to do so because of his next move.
 So, we are adding mistaken Provably Fair system and there immediately comes a deposit from Dooglus. (he saw a mistake, he decided not to warn us about it immediately, but it still could be warned by Arrogant, he decided to use the bug to make 10 BTC from 0.1). After that happens he PM me with screens and ask for BTC for that bug. I realize now that I had to do how most of "honesty" people do to say thank you man, or worse accuse him of cheating and to ban. But but I decide to act according to conscience and gave him as much as he asked. At that time we only had a little over 10 BTC and that 1 BTC was a big blow for us.
And so, for what he received the money? For cheating? Not of course. For bug finding? No, for bug, that could be found by everyone he deserved the maximum 0.2 BTC. He received his money for silence and only for this we gave him the money. And what he do immediately after receiving the money? Certainly tells all about our mistakes. So even at this moment we have the right to cancel our gift but we did not do that. If his purpose would not be selfish, and he sincerely wanted to help, he would not tell anyone about this, and even better warned about our mistake before we did it. But we see how he decided to do.
Going next. He withdrew some BTC although saying that will only play on them (honesty of that man just rolls) but not in this case, look at what's next. About a day ago I have learned about Dooglus has his own gambling site and that he is also our competitor. Then I begin to guess why all this happened and begin to take their measures. Seeing only what remains my site from Dooglus is a chat, I hastened to add chat to my site and then what am I doing.

I wrote a PM to Arrogant where asked him about my ratings on his site. For now my site is Provably Fair has chat, and Dooglus rate is unfair for that moment. Realizing that Arrogant is Dooglus pawn and that Dooglus will not change his ratings (although to be honest it has long had to do so after understood there is no cheating on my site), and only one thing Dooglus could do what else would even he do to stop us is to withdraw his last money from the balance on my site. So I have changed withdraw rules as chat was added (before PMing Arrogant). It takes about 5 minutes after PM to Arrogant and Dooglus withdrew his money. And what do you think this is also a coincidence? They are both  are trying to spoil by all the ways. And after all this we still have to pay a competitor. I do not know where does this world, but it hurts me to watch that on your forum such people are in great authority.
I realized that only yesterday when I started this conversation. Who needs proof and private messages please PM me, I can not do as these dishonest people and advertise the privates. I am sorry for my english..,

I put off chat finishing considering that to tell you the truth  is more important that other people do not fall into this trap as we did.

Are you for real? You're making very little sense.

Do you have any evidence at all that  Arrogant is my pawn? I had no idea that Arrogant ran that site. I hadn't even heard of the site until you mentioned it in this thread. I didn't have an account on it either - when I signed up to post about your unrealistically high trust rating they emailed me my password in plain text (a fact which I commented on it this thread too).

I posted my review because the existing review seemed fake. I didn't realise at the time that it was really a paid advertisement. I dislike the idea of fake review sites, where you have to pay to get a good review, and didn't know Arrogant was involved in such a scheme.

I reported the bug rather than exploiting it because I'm not a thief. You never asked me to keep it quiet, but of course I didn't post about it until you had shut the site down to fix it.

I haven't updated my review because you haven't asked me to. Instead you've acted like an angry child.

I never said you were cheating. I said you didn't deserve a high trust rating. Do you understand the difference? You are new here so why should we trust you? Especially no that you have shown your true colours.

It has been over 24 hours since I requested a withdrawal from your site. I guess you are going to keep my Bitcoin, so I have left you feedback letting others know not to trust you.

Sorry it had to come to this.

Did not know anything, but always appeared five minutes later as Arrogant learned something new

With magical thinking like that you need to be doing something other than running a gambling site. If you keep reading so much into simple coincidences it will drive you crazy. It's stressful enough running a site when you're sane.

Well this is what I personally think:

Dooglus
Finds a crucial bug.

Arrogantx
Helped in reviewing the site

Dooglus and OP agrees for 1 BTC reward.
OP thinks Dooglus and Arrogantx is plotting to destroy his site. Thinks Dooglus is competitor.


Let us sort this out:

Balloonbit : Must remove all these false accusations.
Make sure you have enough bankroll before you start something like this.

Dooglus: Re agree on bug bounty. OP has a limited budget.
Remove negative trust if required after OP removes all these accusations:

Arrogantx : Remove negative trust. Remove re-accusations.




http://i.gyazo.com/10509fa8118cd6193186bad222dc062f.png

Do you claim that you did not pursue any selfish goals and you just wanted to help?

He wanted to help. He probably expected you to tip him for that.

Dooglus is a very trusted member.

His help was that that he constantly reveal our mistakes when we paid him and asked not to advertise about it.

You always act like your a moderator or know how to handle every issue. I believe its been mentioned you're very young. Let adults handle their business on their own and if they wanted your input they would have asked...

Fine, Mr. Adult.  ::)

Sit back and watch a good site and a reputed member battle each other.
Enjoy.   8)

P. S. I dedicate a poem to you.

Provably Fair Player vs player will be added soon, those who are afraid to play with us and trust us once we have a little money, play with each other and that will grown our bankroll =)

indeed, and the same for my negative trust. As long as you don't pay dooglus you can be considered a scammer. He accuses dooglus of other things too in pm but when i ask for printscreens he can't show them either...

and just silly to start such a website without having enough bankroll
though i'm interested in buying the website from you

We gave him a gift, he beats our reputation after that, we take the half of a gift. Bankroll is enought to pay the winners. There is nobody who have won BTC and did not received them.

Sorry, we are not interested to sell it. But the investment can be discussed

then i should know your identity and stuff too  :D Just sending some money to a random guy is not what i'm going to do :p

PM me if you are interested.

Two lies in one sentence.

You didn't pay me (you credited my account, but won't let me withdraw), and you didn't mention not advertising it.

If you dispute this I challenge you to show evidence.

You keep mentioning about how you only stole back half the bounty, but I have received no bounty at all.

Did we not withdraw you anything? And who is lier here? You could do and not get any bounty for that if we wouldnt be so kind.

I was able to withdraw my deposit and my gambling profit. I wasn't able to withdraw my bounty.

You are the liar here. That much is clear to everybody. Else where's the evidence of you asking me not to advertise the exploit I found?

You have withdrew your bounty until you deserve it, for now you do not deserve it, so be happy that you was able to deceive us. Let the stupid people believe you, but then we both know what the truth, but I am very glad that not all of these.

This site is a fucking scammer. Get out of here. I will post the below message daily. And he knows barely any English.

OWNER is a SCAMMER. Do NOT play here. Refuses to pay out an agreement and claims it is too much of their bankroll so they refuse it.

What do you mean? I think OP had refused to pay only the 1 BTC bug bounty. He had paid all the players?

he just wants to buy the site thats why he spreading FUD
i played here and i withdraw everytime, i just srarted playing yesterday but the owner seems to be a good guy, i trust him! he just didnt want to pay a bug bounty for various reasons..you can play here and safely withdraw btc!
i do with no problems!
the sites awesome admin, dont let this shit get to you nobody cares about you and dooglas argument anymore, all we care is that the site stays trustworthy and pays its winners!
oh and from my memory i remember dooglas saying he got half of the 1 btc bounty so idk why hes saying he didnt get any of it..dont care either though

Read what happened. They admit 1 BTC is too much of a loss to take after agreeing to pay Dooglus 1 BTC. They come up with this BS story of Dooglus being this bad guy and all. If he was a bad person as said he would've withdrawn his 10 BTC in winnings. He did win them and yet they claim they pay all winners. Obviously not. Not Dooglus fault if site was messed up. Look at how fortune jack handled their bug found, they paid bounties AND winnings from bug out. A real business unlike this scamming one.

This has nothing to do with you, so why do you need to spam the thread with such big reddish font and scam accusation ? look at your own trust before posting. Just saying

its because he wants to bash the owner so he can buy the site lol its sad really
if kingofsports owned a site i wouldnt play there on judge of character alone!
this admin seems genuine, and i support him

only 0.5 BTC bounty. All players had received all their winnings including Dooglus.

Cool game. I do not think that owner cheat.

can you answer my mail? or should i post all the printscreens of those mails in this topic to prove you are lying?

it takes upto 24 hours for withdraw!
dont worry mate u will get it  ;)

YOU agreed on 1 BTC. Whatever butthurt you find or find that he owns a casino of his own is disregardable to the agreement YOU AGREED TO. The bug bounty agreed upon was 1 BTC. Until you pay 1 BTC you're a scammer. I was kidding about buying your site and your rep is ruined. You won't attract a single decent whale (betting 0.05 or more) with the attitude and scamming you've now done in this thread. Enjoy all the 0.001 bettors.

http://i60.tinypic.com/1t8vp0.jpg

this guy is HILARIOUS

I have tried to withdraw half of my bounty. You debited my balance but never sent the payment. There was the other half of it still in my balance the last time I looked, but since you have "gone rogue" I doubt there's any point trying to withdraw that.

The truth is pretty clear: we made a deal and you broke it.

If you have anything to back up your lies, please present it.

You can play and withdraw so long as you don't win too much. The site doesn't have enough coins to pay out the bets they offer, so be careful.

If you win too much, don't be surprised if they make up a reason not to pay you.

I never said I got half the bounty. I said I tried to withdraw half of it, and they refused to process the withdrawal, even though they did debit my balance.

I'm saying I didn't get any of it because I didn't get any of it.

So you're trying to say it was only 0.5 we agreed on now?

Here's how I remember things going:


tldr: We discussed how you can't afford to pay any big winners and how you would "personally negotiate with the user and look forward to his understanding", like you did with me.

I'm guessing you would end up fucking them over too, as in my case.

If your recollection of our agreement is different, please let me know. Perhaps we could have a little side-wager on who has the best memory of the private messages. I'm sure theymos would settle the bet for us if we gave him a percentage of the pot.

Is the issue already resolved?

lol, agree on 0.5BTC, lol.

Why make this all big and waste both of your time?

Agreement between you Dooglus that you agreed to is that you wait a couple days before being paid. At first balloon bit was right since the agreement meant they could wait a couple days before paying the 1 BTC. However now that it has been a couple days and you still haven't paid him it's obvious this is a scam.

Indeed :) Just sad that he doesn't have enough bankroll, probably I'll buy the website from him soon and all issues will be solved.

I wonder whether dooglus has slightly regretted helping OP to fix the problem and entered into the current situation lol.
Generally speaking, it is a bad practice to not reward bug finder well, as it sort of give people a higher incentive to abuse the bug rather than report it.

It makes me feel like a sucker for helping him when he didn't deserve it, but worse than that it's just another example of how people can't be trusted to be decent.

The next time someone finds an exploit in a site and they have to decide whether to disclose it responsibly or exploit it, they are now more likely to just exploit it. Because this guy has added one more example to the ever growing history of Bitcoin site operators being scammy fucks.

Sad but true.

what is sad is if balloonbit.com did pay dooglas .5 BTC to dooglas bitcoin address, with someone as an arbiter to verify transaction, either me or clubs... even if balloonbit did payour the agreed .5 BTC - heck even if he paid out 1 BTC

the sad thing is I am 100% positive that his -6 feedback wouldn't go back to 0. If I see you guys resolve this I will be pleased - I hope everyone can maintain a 0 or above reputation on here. You are brothers and sisters on the same earth. Imagine if you were the other person for a second, and then try to think of the best compromise from THAT perspective - and lets get everyone's ratings cleared please?

For the greater good. Cheers all!

If this is correct, everybody should stop using the site immediately. BalloonBit clearly has no understanding of bankroll management and is making bets with players that it cannot keep. Extremely unethical in the least.

The thing is  he paid for a high review and the one who did the review must get a neg rep.

What are you trying to say? If ... if ... if ... You're all if's and no then's.


Don't be so sure. If this was resolved I would change my rating from 'negative' to 'neutral', and change the wording to explain that what had happened. But that won't happen - it looks like the scammer has given up on the forum and will probably be back with a new site and a name in a few weeks until someone else catches him out. Next time he will be a little more knowledgeable and will probably be able to steal more coins before slipping up.


The guy has effectively taken 1 BTC from me. We had a deal, he reneged on it.

If you were about to trust him with your money, wouldn't you appreciate being warned that he has a history of being untrustworthy?

The trust system exists exactly for this purpose: to warn people about the scammers among us.

I wish everyone could be trustworthy, but they aren't.

Why doesn't balloonbit payout 1BTC to dooglus, set a higher bankroll or at least lower the max bet, and solve the problem?

maybe because he's a scammer?

Judging from the PMs from Balloonbit to dooglus in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869272.msg9793914#msg9793914, he has a big problem in his bankroll and he even asked dooglus to not withdraw his account balance...

so fking sorry to see this turn out to be a scam. I was just about to test it. Hopefully there will be more none-dice sites around..

Hello everyone. Sorry for temporary absence, we are significantly busy improving the BalloonBit.com. New version of Try for free is done for more similarity to the real Game. Chat remade. Immediate access to daily logs is added. Working hard to merit your confidence. More features are coming soon.

Any thoughts about paying the bounty you owe me?

Pay dooglus. Also, why can't I try the site for free? It grays out when I try to play with pseud-btc or whatever it is. Why offer the feature if it's disabled?

I am using firefox, and I have no problem trying the game for free by pushing "play pseud-btc" and "submit" buttons.
The free game doesn't seem to be provably fair though, and so that part can't be tested for free.

I doubt he will.

Thanks for your response! I was using Google Chrome so I went ahead and tested it with IE and it works fine. It seems it isn't compatible with Chrome for some reason. Interesting game, but not for me.

Why Ballonbit did not pay the bounty ?
Dooglus  tried to help you and you shall paid that you've promised to him
or is there something wrong ?

IMHO, you should just pay dooglus before improving your site.
With the red warning under your name, it will be very difficulty for you to get trusted and for you to attract new users to your site, no matter how much you have done to improve your site.

Very interesting. I especially love your website design. Probably is the nicest gambling website i've seen in a while.

It looks nice, but can't be trusted.

When I asked what they would do if someone won the maximum payout they told me they would negotiate with the winner and ask him to wait for his payment.

You would be better off playing somewhere that can afford to pay its winners, and that doesn't have a history of spreading lies.

Hi here is very good place for playing  http://www.keytocasino.com/ (http://www.keytocasino.com/). New and classical games, easy to understand. I've been playing here for month and never had problems with paybacks. Becides, the results are coming very fast.

I see the OP has negative trust
is this site trustable?

Looking at the previous pages of this thread, you should be able to answer this question yourself.

Wow just-dice is back. After reading this thread and seeing dooglus's signature, I see that its back.

Hi there! :) Hope you're fine. Long time left since last update of this branch but BalloonBit.com updates are in full swing. One of big jumps was BalloonClicks.com - a way to earn some BTC or advertise a website. The most attractive place for clickers (profitable) and advertisers (cheap). Now everyone is able to try out BalloonBit playing on real BTC.

Some other features and fixes was made to improve usability and performance of BalloonBit.com. Our team has grown and got more experienced.

Try it now. BalloonBit.com (http://BalloonBit.com)

i thought you guys leave after the incident with dooglus?
and how would people trust you guys after that incident?

We'd better concentrate on improving our service than sponsor our competitors.

you havent answer my question, how can people trust you and your site due to the previous incident ?

I wasn't looking for sponsorship.

I was simply asking for the 1 BTC that you owe me.

Dooglus help you for make a better site, and you should paid it.
It's so simple things

How about helding signature campaign ?

I have tried this site before and I made I loss.
I am going to try it again. Will update this post with screenshot of results.

Edit: 2 Confirmations and nothing on my balance yet.
Edit: 3 Confirmations and it has shown up.
Edit: Gambled for a bit. About to withdraw.
Edit: Withdrew, the balance still appears to be in my account.
Edit: Received my winnings.

https://i.imgur.com/L20Pet8.jpg

Deposited: 0.01 and came out with 0.015 with successful withdraw.
I really like the UI. The sound irritates me. Good thing you can disable it.
Would recommend this site.

Who is going to play at your site if you won't even pay a little bug bounty to a highly respected and trusted member of the community? Nobody smart! Only morons.

this so good, btw how this balloon not busting at first click?

you should give some faucet to try..100 sat is enough..but i believe this game will succeess if promotion and review from player good

http://balloonclicks.com/ (http://balloonclicks.com/)

Is this an ad related faucet? Is this hooked up with your site, or is it hooked with the microwallet. I would rather have it hooked with the site so I can bet my pennies  ;D

Just tried the site and I got super lucky and made some good choices. I got 3x my initial deposit and I am cashing out now. Sound is kind of annoying but at least you can mute it.

By registering with BalloonClicks you'll automatically generate a BalloonBit account. Your balances are the same on both sites and any earned Bitcoins on BalloonClicks are instantly spendable at BalloonBit. With the opening of BalloonClicks we've lowered the minimum BalloonBit bid to 0.00001 BTC, which is approximatly 10 views on BalloonClicks. Naturally, if gambling isnt your thing, simply save up only 0.001 BTC and your money is available for a speedy withdrawl!

Sounds good, ill try it out and see if I get lucky enough to make enough to withdraw

so basically if i get faucet from balloonclicks..the balance will available on ballonbit?

if thats true then is pretty good ..i need to try it..

Yea it will be available on balloonbit which you can then cash out from there, or gamble if you are interested in that sort of thing

You might be able to cash it out, or maybe they'll just hold it hostage for no good reason.

OP is not a man of his word. Be careful trusting him with money. I won't make that mistake again.

What happened with you and his site? Its been fine for me so far in terms of deposits and withdraw and provably fair.

He is our competitor having a boring dice game and he had no choice but to act by such methods.

No need for saying mean things to each other, just some competition, your only making yourself look worse by making fun of other casinos....

you are not on the state to make fun of JD, because they are more trusted than your site and the fact that you dont pay dooglus is enough to keep my money not to play at your site with the risk of not being able to cashout  ::) ::)

So are you saying that you didn't promise to pay me 1 BTC for the serious exploit I discovered in your site, and that I'm just making it up?

People can see your post history, you know.  ::)

Maybe this person doesn't deserve to be help.

Anyway the game is similar like moneypot,
both off them has a crash value which push my gambler's adrenaline

I was reading through the thread and I found this.

almost the same
moneypot game is a multiplayer game where there are many people playing together
but here, it is a single player game with no interaction ::) ::)

The games are similar in that the balloon game is a very poor copy of the moneypot idea.

Other than that, moneypot has:

* a much lower house edge
* an interactive multi-player game
* an operator with a history of honesty

agree with this, moneypot got much lower house edge and the honesty f being the house, ryan has been paying alot of winning btc and you can always check their bankroll at the sites

your answer/posting shows that you are very close and feeble minded. 1 BTC is a very small payment and a generous offer from dooglus. just sit back in a quiet corner and rethink it and let us know your decision. it is never to late.

obviously dooglus case has no effect on the game.. ;D anyway the admins are quite fair with their players. I had no problems with my transactions

and you registered only for this posting  ;D

How would a brand new newbie just find this thread read threw it make a post like that?
Obviously the OP's / someones alt.

Thats right =) I play there for two months. I like that game. Its very attractive, dont know why, lol, thanks for ambience. And I dont understand how is dooglus's bounty connected with users trust. Google or apple eventually do the same and its all right, anyway all we use their products and trust them

hah =) I found this post two months ago. now registered to express my opinion. You must have notice google_save_me if you play on ballonbit

owner paid for a positive review.. owner didn't paid out dooglus bounty for finding a major bug that can bankrupt the owner's site.. now tell me isn't that unfair?

ahaha ;D ;D ;D the owner is a billionare that pays for all that positive feedback but have not 1 btc for dooglus!? Looks like its their own competition and as I said it has no influence on the game itself.
btw if you saw my roll on that site you find out that I dont need any payments. I post when a want

They are pretty different games but I do have to give it to the owner of money pot as it's a bit more trusted,and MultiPlayer is quite fun. I don't know much about the house edge on both games though

billionaire? the owner ballonbit could not afford to pay dooglus 1 btc which i doubt they even got the bankroll to support their site  ::) ::)

The owner cheating me has no effect on the game, that is true. Nobody said it did.

The fact that the owner cheated me and has been caught lying numerous times in this thread tells us that he can't be trusted.

The fact that he can't be trusted means that he can't be trusted to pay out big winners in his game.

He has even admitted that he can't afford to pay out if anyone wins the biggest payout on his game. He told me he would ask them to wait for payout, like how he asked me to wait. And we can see how that turned out.

He's offering a game where the maximum payout is more than 100% of the bankroll. That is basically fraudulent. He's taking bets that he can't afford to lose. Effective bankroll management would be to risk around 1% of your bankroll per game. He's risking over 100% of it.

Do you understand now? You've had no problems with your transactions either because a) you didn't make any or b) you didn't win big enough yet.

The thing is that i'm a highroller there and had no problems with my withdrawals. Thats why I posted here. Dont know how you judge about bankroll not even being player there. And apparently, you dooglus are the only one who's displeased by the owner cuz I dont see any negative comments except your case all about.

 Where are all those cheated users then?

 ;D ;D ;D
http://i58.tinypic.com/15ccxao.jpg

google_save_me does seem like the OP trying to create "high rollers" to strengthen the "trust" this website has. He made an account just to post in THIS THREAD ONLY, and he has so much funds on this website that it seems like it was just the owner giving himself balance

The site hasn't been shut down, but looking at dooglus' experience and review, I would rather risk my bitcoin in some other sites. Just my 2 cents.

no it dont worth the risk of losing your coins, judging from dooglus and ballon bit past incident i doubt that ballonbit got the bankroll to support player to play there

I used to play at the site. Then the owner started to refuse my withdrawals, and went back on his promises to me, so I stopped being a player there. I would recommend the same course of action to anyone else. The owner lies, and offers bets he can't afford to pay out.

The reason I don't think he can afford to pay out winning bets is because he told me so himself:



I don't think the site really has any users. When the site owner himself has admitted to having "serious problems with the bankroll" and that if you win he will "personally negotiate with the user" and hope for "his understanding", why would anyone play there? The guy couldn't even afford to pay me 1 BTC for a bug report that saved him from having his bankroll drained. The odds are against you winning, and if you do happen to win much he won't be able to pay you. This is why any serious site offers a proof of solvency. That way you can be sure that they can at least afford to pay out their winners.

??? omg, the conspiracy theory is everywhere. I'm Satishi Nakomoto in fact  
I wish I was owner anyway  :D

Yes I would be careful also. If he is restricting withdraws then its always a bad sign.

Read the entire thread if you need more proof.

When you look at the OP and see negative trust, it is a big red flag.
Few people would dare to go ahead and play at the site.

Thank you very much for truth and trying to help us. I'm glad that here are users that understand what was going on.

I can't tell if you're a troll or just a shill of the site owner.. Oh time will tell if this site is going to stay alive or not but based on what i am looking things are going bad for this site.

He's just a troll, idk why you guys hating so much on the site my deposits and withdraw were all automatic and it was a fun new game to try out. I'm definitely not affiliated with them in any way but I am giving my opinion as a player and it is a very fun game.

That's very wise question. 100% sure that there will be no such user.

A better question would be:

Can you prove that you have sufficient coins to pay out the highest prize your site offers?

All serious sites can, and do. Why doesn't yours?

I have dropped a negative feedback as well. Considering your bankroll is most likely sub 100 btc, and are offering bets that are more than your bankroll, this throws up several red fags for me. Until you either A) get a bigger bankroll B) Or make your "max profit" an amount you can handle paying out. This site gets a big AVOID from me, play this site at your own risk


(slightly related but moneypot is better, and trusted way more than this guy. Same concept, but multiplier and live and shiz :p)

I do agree that the max bet should be dynamically adjusted so that the max you can win is about 10% of the bankroll, or if we are dealing with small amounts maybe 50% or something.

And sadly with this you will not know if you will get your winnings back. I was lucky that I only won a small amount and just withdrew it.

can we have this balloon break at first try?

because its like all game we dont know what the result..maybe we need formula then?

a shill of the owner
IMO, having the site back up and come back here is just a waste of time for him, since people wont trust him anymore because of the issue with dooglus, sad thing, his site got some potential due to the creative idea i think

I believe the chance of the balloon breaking at first round is the house edge, so about 1 or 2 percent. (says 1% in the title). So statistically if you play 100 times in a row, the baloon should break on the first try once.

The idea isnt original. He based this off moneypot.com which IMO is better in almost every single aspect.