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Just for clarification in an article I am writing. I am trying to rid Bitcoin's common misconceptions.

Never even thought of it, no.

Nope

negative

Never done drugs. I'm probably addicted to dopamine (judging by how many times I boink my girlfriend in a day) so I think doing drugs for me would probably be a bad idea. It also doesn't make sense to me, as with drinking alcohol or smoking. None of them ever interested me even in the slightest.

As for Silk road, I think any marketplace where you can sell -anything- is rather interesting, but having absolutely no interest in drugs myself makes it seem kind of a waste. Where are the wikileaks style cables we can buy for $20? The hidden videos of CEOs raping their employees, or other interesting stuff people would totally buy? Why drugs?  ::)

Let's make the internet fun again, not just a mirror of the already boring world of losers.

I took a tylenol the other day.

No, I don't even smoke or drink alcohol.

Yes - seriously.

Although I haven't visited the website in quite a while, last time I checked there was "information" for sale.  It was being talked about at least - example like inside information (IPO,people working for a law firm... ) I am not sure if it was ever followed through.  My luck would be that it was some guy from the FBI doing some undercover bullshit.  Too risky for me anyway.

Anyone remember Fucked Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucked_Company)?

No off topic please :/ This is meant to prove to the world that bitcoiners are not druggies.

Define drugs?

For one to think that anything isn't a drug is getting farther from the truth.
For instance where is the clear distinction between a hotdog(food) and a drug(assuming we are talking about prescription pills, marijuana, psychedelics, bath salts)?
Everything will effect your system in some way.

I googled "Define: drug" and it gave me the following

With food you get a physiological effect. In my experience when i eat, I feel wonderful ready for the day
(with out food I feel like crap, i get angry, groggyness, etc)

With some chemicals you feel good, some chemicals you feel bad...

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I think my hippy sounding response is your answer....

Because the world really gives a crap if bitcoiners are druggies and your poll will really convince them (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1CvW38cHA).

To do a better study, you should try to find how many bitcoins are exchanged through SR.  Find that proportion and then use the DEA's estimation of how large is the illegal narcotics trade is in USD.  Then compare the proportions and see who the real abusers of drugs are.

Taking DMT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6RBOIgtzEE&t=1m15s) is on my bucket list... Oops, our brains already make it naturally (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine).

No. Drugs are bad in most cases. And even if you argue that POT isn't in and of itself harmful, more often than not the culture behind it is. Just my experience.

Drug culture differs around the world though. For instance Amsterdam where I once had a delightful conversation with a stoned physicist who held tenure at university... true story.

anyway.

I really view SR drug sales as a fad. In any given town or city ANYWHERE in the world it is much, much easier to buy drugs with good old fashion fiat currency from your local dealer at 711  ::)

The world drug trade in 2005 was worth 320 Billion. That was with a cursory google search. I'm sure its much, much more by now.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/393/320billion.shtml (http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/393/320billion.shtml)

Bitcoin's market cap is a mere 50~ million.

That means the total value of the ENTIRE bitcoin economy is worth 0.01536% of what the world drug trade was in 2005.

A tenth of a tenth of a percent.

"bitcoin users are nefarious drug sellers/buyers" Give me a break.

Never heard about drugs. Whats that?  :o

Caffeine is classed as a drug, I have a cup of that every day or two :)
I guess the topic is more about "illegal" drugs though.
Which raises another topic, what is illegal in one jurisdiction is dealt with differently in another jurisdiction.
For example in Australia: In Western Australia possession of more than 7grams of marijuana can get you a criminal record and jail. In the ACT you get an "on the spot fine" and no criminal record. Laws between countries vary even more. Like death penalty in Indonesia and "medical marijuana " in the USA....

SilkRoad - never visited and having worked as a Postal Delivery Officer..well, I know the risks of illegal purchases never reaching the purchaser (or being closely followed by an officer of the law with a suitable warrant):)

So Bitcoin gets traded for drugs.... oh whoa so does um every fiat currency in the world, as well as other stuff like ... washing powder.
OMG YOU USE WASHING POWDER _ YOU MUST BE DRUGGIE...

So yer, misconceptions, good luck at changing them with this topic :)

I've never tried any illegal drugs. I consume alcohol, tobacco, and caffiene only a few times per year. I only occasionally drink anything but water.

(I believe that all drugs should be completely legalized, however.)

This is stupid. Who would boast with their drug use, or boast SELLING drugs, which would get you jail time? Of course we will have only righteous "no, I never have usen drugs" people in this thread :D

Well... I do support SILK ROAD and other sites alike. I would not buy drugs there, but there is a lot of other interesting stuff which is hard to get at other places..
 And then again, I don't understand this witch hunt of drug users, when alcohol and tobacco are the biggest killers... hundreds of millions(if not billions) of people smoke marijuana or other cannabis products every day without getting ill, hurting other people, die or getting addicted of it..

Exactly!
The feds are watching you!

DMT can bring people to a point where they decide whether they want to go insane (stop caring about reality completely) or not, they are unsure of whether they want to cross that line and they have a choice. Perhaps everyone should do it to graduate high school, like a vision quest.

Evidence your brain produces it on purpose is kinda weak (but understudied), however I would believe it. It is basically MAO resistant serotonin and it would make sense to be generated in order to 1) maintain blood pressure during hemorrhaging/etc then 2) calm you so you stop calling for help if you're fucked anyway (altruistic behavior to avoid your buddies following you into the bear cave). At least thats my hypothesis.

Nope, don't take illegal drugs.

But if I did I wouldn't buy them online. When "waiting on my man" becomes "waiting on my postman" something is clearly wrong, and not just because it would ruin a Lou Reed song.

And on a serious note, there wouldn't be a Silk Road if US drug laws were relaxed even just a little. Prohibition doesn't work. Education does.

Thanks for all the off-topic replies everyone :/
You know I meant illegal drugs.
Now I can't use this thread for proof.

LOL at the noob that wants to use a public forum thread as "proof" of anything. Did you want the answers to all be sanitized and cleaned for your viewing pleasure?

in a past life, maybe..

Oh, you're so funny!
:/
That was sarcasm, btw

Proof for what?

If you were smart enough you would find silkroad... get on it and search for yourself....


You want people to come out and say.. I have 1.2 Kilo Marijuand 12 XTC tab's and 40k's of Heroin.. All bought with btc?  Well I don't do drugs..

I smoke reefer :)

Sound like FUD to me...

I know how to access silk road, but how exactly does that prove that bitcoiners don't use it?
I am not that stupid.

lol yeah

Some Bitcoiners(that go to silk road) are druggies, but not all go to silk road..... (Some just use the road :P)

Silk road sells lots of stuff. Or you can be a vendor of Digital goods.. Useless Digital goods'' Mostly junk you can find yourself anyway.....


Get me a Glock and accidently cap my ass....

been on SR and felt like a really cool kid.

never ordered anything. No intention either.
Am generally for a decriminalization. Tax that shit - like any good vice - tax it.
And make those prisons empty.

about dmt - i keep that one in mind if i ever get midlife crisis in 20 years or so :D
and if i am lucky i can spout stuff like
“Human beings are co-partners with deity in the project of being. This is the basis of all magic.”
― Terence McKenna

SR has some neat hard to come by items... You don't have to be a junkie to use the site....


In Canada drug use can not land you in jail. But drug possesion can........ If your caught under the influence its not another charge like in the US of A

I think I take a hell of a lot less than most people.

Drugs are recommended by all physicians, and are recommended to have in your investment portfolio by virtually all financial advisors.

They are among the top three businesses in the world. 

Do you know what the top three drugs are by sales and per capita use? 

Yes, they are refined sugar, caffeine, and alcohol.  (I leave out of this list things like atmospheric oxygen which while technically a drug is not often repackaged as such). 

For a category so pervasive and dangerous in modern life it is scary how little you people know about them.   

Do you even know what LD50 means?  This is the basis for understanding the lethal nature of drugs and why they are ALL dangerous.

Do you think there is such thing as a bad drug?  Or are you smart enough to know what the word dosage means? 

Which do you think kill more people, legal or illegal drugs? 


 

Sounds like you are chicken.  Don't you want to be cool?

I don't buy drugs, I don't sell drugs, I don't take drugs unless you count alcohol as a drug, and then I only drink about 2 beers a week average.

If responsible people want to put stuff into their bodies and they have their drug use under control I don't really have a problem with it. I have a problem with anyone making cash out of someone else's addiction. Sadly there is a great big gray area between these two things.


Silk Road is giving BitCoin a bad name, we should be known as the people who gave the world a free money transfer service and put the likes of paypal and western union out of business, not as some conduit of the drug trade.

FUD? It was meant as the opposite.

the whole post seems to be mixed and sort of cryptic.
But reading back at it - I understand what you saying now.

Basically your suggesting,
It could make a person be classified by society as insane but it's your choice to detach from society and be free.

But I didn't understand the graduate high school and vision quest bit.

May be SWIM knows?

I think vision quests are a good idea. IMO it is good for people to come face to face with their preconceptions and realize how subjective their opinions/perceptions of reality are before they have responsibility bestowed upon them. "Drugs" aren't the only way to accomplish this but it is possible that some people could use them successfully as tools without any harm done to self or others, and they are relatively cheap compared to travel, etc. There is plenty of research about this, LSD was originally used in counseling before it became a party drug.

You should watch http://movies.netflix.com/movie/DMT-The-Spirit-Molecule/70209261

Some of the people's experiences are pretty bizarre.

Just to respond directly to this, I don't think the choice has anything to do with society or liberty. I mean insane as in the person could not survive if that state of mind persists because they become completely oblivious to reality. My understanding is you can either let yourself go over the edge and see if you ever come back, or not.



I'll check it.

Well, I do. I don't think you do though. LD50 measures the median lethal dose of any substance. It doesn't have to be a drug. Even water has an LD50.

As for the rest of your post, the LD50 of a given drug is only a small part of the danger of mind altering substances. A larger concern is how such substances create permanent or at least long lasting changes to the brain.

That said, I support at least the decriminalisation of illicit drugs and education about their effects. Sending a person to prison for being an addict increases costs to society and provides a temporary benefit only if the addict committed crimes to pay for their addiction.

In the long run prohibition causes no decrease in drug use, a fantastic opportunity for organised crime to profit, and large costs to the state.

LD50 gives an average dose of 50% of test subjects... I think this is right... :)

I think I'm slowly becoming addicted to migraine pills, does that count? When I get a migraine I take them then take a nap, and I wake up feeling like a million bucks.

Addict!  You should definitely go to rehab :P

A more interesting question might have been at what point Silk Road and the Bitcoin economy start becoming big enough to be attractive to major cartels like Los Zetas.  In terms of the illicit drug trade overall, Silk Road is a small operation but it certainly has qualities which could eventually see it - or a similar service - operate on a whole different scale than the mid-level dealers and low-level buyers it seems to attract now. 

Also a really good movie that makes you think is called "Enter the void" its generally slow as far as "main stream action goes but the story and camera work is so intense.

I have no idea if you are trying to be funny or serious.

Lethal Dose 50 - The dose of a thing at which 50% of test subjects die.

Thanks for your reply.  Yes, lethal dose is only the very first concern one should have.  There are certainly others. 

Double yes for decriminalization and education.  Absolutely astounding what passes for "drug education"..    Good luck --   

Except love. And also the colour green.

I'm looking forward to buying love with bitcoin.

I'm dying for love  :P

Problem with this post- "hundreds of millions(if not billions) of people smoke marijuana or other cannabis products every day without getting ill"

This isn't true lol if billions of people smoked it then that would be more than like 20% of the world population or more ::)

Yeah. Definite exageration.

I think it would be accurate if he said, "hundreds of millions(if not billions) of people have smoked marijuana or other cannabis products every day without getting ill"

This is meh day -- everyday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRdflPMuNaA
And this too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re_nG9Y1xog#t=1m20s
hahahahh

Well I would guess 20% of the population smokes Marijuana on a daily basis around here...

The Silk Road has done a lot for bringing attention to bitcoin and making new bitcoiner's.  I'd never even heard about bitcoin until I read that infamous article last year about The Silk Road where it mentioned bitcoin.  As for drug use yes caffeine, alcohol, tobacco and went to Amsterdam when they still used Guilders  :P  Also The Silk Road may be a better way of selling drugs then dealers with guns or drug pushers pushing smack and crack on vulnerable people.   A selection of society are always going to want to use drugs and prohibition with the War on Drugs is obviously failing.  Look at the prohibition of booze in America about a century ago that can arguably be stated as the cause of the formation of major organized crime in the US like the American Mafia!   As for using The Silk Road well I live in area with a big hard drugs problem and cannabis is smoked openly outside pubs and on the streets.  All the pubs put greese on top of toilet seats covers and the mirrors have all be broken of the walls.  So if I wanted to to buy some drugs I'd probably find it easy and quicker just asking one of the local smack/crackheads or a random smoking a spliff  ::)

Prohibition is pushing people to use dangerous "Legal" Alternatives like "Bath Salts" *yum let's eat me a dude face*


Drug's like MDMA and Cocaine are relatively safe in moderation.. All drug's can be safe in moderation.. Does not make a difference what drug it is.. Be it Booze of Crack if Moderation goes down the toilet.. So does your life.....

Not all drugs are safe in moderation. Some stuff should never see the outside of a hospital, some other stuff should never be used even for medical uses by trained doctors.

I agree the a lot of drugs that are technically legal are utterly unknown and could do just about anything to the human body.

RC's ... Research chemicals.... a lot of these drugs say "not for human consumption" on the package.... and people are taking them....

 

You're also not likely to be able to get RCs from the pot dealer who lives around the corner.  It's typically been a market served by mail order from overseas and Silk Road is well designed for facilitating those kinds of markets.  The fact that many RCs are effective at miniscule doses (the average person won't have scales calibrated finely enough to measure them accurately) also means that people are buying less often than with traditional illicit drugs, further reducing the chance of getting caught.

FREAKING OUT MAN!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKRxDP--e-Y

Today alone I've already taken three drugs (cannabis, caffeine, alcohol) but in small responsible quantities. In general I'm a huge fan of drugs, they've improved my life immensely.

However, I've never purchased anything off SR. Like many above have said, they just aren't yet competitive with traditional drug dealers. It's good to know they're available if I ever need it though, and I recommend SR for people who want hard-to-find drugs.

That's good.. I smoked some good hash and puffed some doobs...

I love coffee... Hate alcohol... I'll take a few Xanax at times for my Alcoholish buZz

I do the occasional psychedelic.

MDMA and Coke are great bang your wife drugs :) :) :)

Or the neighbor's dog. Or a sofa.

Well... If you're in to that..... Sure why not.... do you make a pin size hole and fuck it?

Drugs are a multi-billion dollar industry. Do you think that my CIA middleman suppliers are going to allow me to make purchases from Silk Road, thus eliminating them. Not in hells chance. Second, it is much easier to hide your pipeline within the multitude of corporate shipments transiting to the US rather than through a single pipeline like the mail services. The bigger the chain of stores receiving drug shipments the easier to hide the pipeline.

Hurray for drugs :) LOL anything that makes the government look incompetent is great with me :)

LOL.. I could have been one of the babies in that pic.....

No, im too boring :0

I think I have tried all the drugs, nothing IV ever,, but smoked/injested a lot of different things over the years...

Grade 9/10 highschool was a 2 year acid trip..... banged probably a good % of the females....:) I love being me... My drain bamaged a bit but... who cares...

Funny thing is they probably think the same thing about you ;)   

I saw your avatar and thought you were Rarity for a second.  My head about exploded because I thought I had been severely trolled.  That guy wants to bring back alcohol prohibition along with prohibiting any vice that could possibly have any detrimental effect to even just a small group of the population.

Moderation..... If your stupid enough to do anything to much, then well.. you deserve the consequences

i do take drugs but have never used silk road, the prices are 4 times what i pay and i am not interested in selling, so yeah... its a nice site though

Things a Satanist might say.

And because Satanists believe it, it must be ______?

FTFY

I use marijuana on a daily basis and trip on shrooms, dmt, RC's from time to time. I haven't ordered anything from silk road yet but I am planning on it. I sell small time to friends if  they need it.

Depends what your buying..... Sometimes you get stuff that are not accessible to most....... I rather pay 4 x more for something that is 4 x better quality.


I hate people with a passion, drug dealers ugh.... But being able to deal with a "dealer" online, is a god sent...... Reviews of product, escrow.... None of these things your local dealer offers you..

depends what your in to really.....

Prices are LOW on sr.

not for domestic and I wouldn't risk customs

most orders are smell and sent in regular lettermail..... Customs does not have time to search small letters.. only parcels really.

... customs has a scanner that sounds off alarms if plant material is detected(Or scanner blocking material), and all incoming mail goes through it

also small orders would be a giant waste of time waiting for international post when dealers are everywhere already and selling cheaper :/

Do you even know definition of drug idiot? You can't call dopamine drug.

Also so much blind hate to drugs in this shithole of community.

Depends what your ordering.... You can't buy pure MDMA for 25 bucks a gram around here.... In europe, yup...

Illegal drugs is a best way  go to jail. Tor is not 100% anonymous, so even don't try!

Taking illegal drugs and then attempting to make your way to a jail is just a recipe for disaster. You'll definitely get lost.

No, the best way to go to jail is sober and in a taxi, or a bus if you can't afford a taxi. Most jails have a bus stop. If you do take the bus, remember to bring a timetable along so you know when the afternoon bus home departs.

...and pigs might fly  ::)
Thats a myth!

Doesn't most incoming mail consist entirely of plant material (paper) with only trace amounts of non-plant material (ink)? ::)

Well i haven't seen it anywhere else but TV(non fiction TV) so it could be a load of bull, but I still don't have a reason to try and get around customs when bigger groups of people already have


also, it failed on gun parts, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-24/customs-admits-illegal-gun-import-x-ray-blunder/4031190 so it isn't infallible

seems it isn't plant material specifically it picks up, but what illegal things look like through xray that sets off the alarms, so like, a pound of weed will probably set it off, unless you can disguise it as gun parts of course.

Well in Canada taking drugs is not illegal....... You can get High all you want, Just don't buy it or have it on your person :D

Almost everyone i speak with associates Bitcoins with silkroad, and it does just give them a bad name. Its such a shame.

Why is Silkroad so bad? Why not search harder and find pedophile sites that use bitcoin....


People should be able to do what they want with their body.... 


So if you purchased a 10" Dildo for your rectum with bitcoin, is that worse or better then me buying a gram of blow to stick in my nose?

I think a gram of blow in the rectum vs a 10" dildo for your nose is a much more interesting question.

Hmmm... LOL... silly question.... Blow in the bum works :P well the front bum for woman anyway :P

I agree with what you're trying to say.  The drug war DOES make the drugs that people use more dangerous.  It's called the "iron law of prohibition." From wikipedia:


But the "bath salts turn you into a zombie!!!1!" thing is just typical media sensationalism.  Re: the Miami face-eater, we don't have the results of the toxicology report yet. The "bath salts" / "cocaine" / "new LSD" garbage the mainstream media is spewing out is thus, at this point, complete speculation. (The most recent report I saw says that he had undigested, and as-yet-unidentified pills in his stomach.) And even if it turns out this guy was high on bath salts and that they were a causal factor in his attack, his behavior is pretty clearly the exception. (Or have there been a raft of other face-eating attacks I've missed? I don't watch cable.) And even if "bath salts" DO promote violence in a significant minority of users, how about a little context? The ONE drug that we KNOW is an absolutely MASSIVE contributor to violence is the one we also decided to keep legal. From "Marijuana is Safer":

One thing Silk Road also does is, make it safer for people who just want to get the experience. It's the nature of intellect to be inquisitive, and this way you don't have to socialize with a group of retards whose only motive is to pull you in and rip you off, just to satisfy some curiosity about your own psyche. This would have the effect of radically decreasing the addiction rates for people who aren't already in such a group.


Ironically, this thread got me interested enough to try SR out. Nothing illegal where I reside of course, in the republic of my body. ::)

To answer the poll question, I'm not sure if I count as someone who does drugs. I try something every three years or so, because I don't have the time for a new experience so often and drugs isn't the only option. I jumped more times from a cliff than I took psychedelics, and it should be obvious which one is more dangerous if you don't know how to control yourself.

I have done my fair share of LSD, MDMA, COke in my younger days. None of these drugs would cause me to act any different other then "horny"


I understand that the face eater dude would probably have some serious mental issues.....


 

WTF is a druggie? I use once and a while.... I'm getting old I need a boost to party a bit :)

LSD makes you horney? I don't think that was LSD.

I should clarify that the literature reports LSD leads to introspection and basically excessive cognition, which would short circuit the motivation due to more primal drivers such as food, sex, etc.

I remember eating a head of lettuce and watching the grass dance while wasting my time wondering why I enjoy adverse weather conditions. I was not impressed.

ETA: Oh -- I mean... Satan was dancing around, everything swirled in technicolor, I heard everything in super-tinny 8-bit, and the head of lettuce was actually a baby's arm because once you take acid, you're totally unable to distinguish reality from your imaginings. I entered an enormous cartoon gate to come to terms with childhood trauma in the form of my stepmother placing me in an iron maiden. While trying to get out of the iron maiden, and in an attempt to kill the purple bugs crawling out of my skin, I jumped off a skyscraper and died. Lesson: don't do drugs because they're way too cool.

lol, I had the motivation(once at least), just not the coordination... nothing was as it should have been and after a while it fell into a laughing naked mess...

LSD is dangerous.

The most dangerous thing I did was cross the street...

To eat those tastier-looking rocks on the other side no doubt.

at first i was like
http://thechiefest.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/guy-eating-paper-in-frustration-small.jpg
but then i
http://pineappleope.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/RockEater700x501.jpg'd

See? And now you know. It's not just BS your parents taught you. Just don't eat rocks. No good has ever come of it.

Your probably right.... I have not done LSD in over 15 years...... But Coke and MDMA i have done in the past year.... So i probably remember doing the last two :P