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check out clash of clans. it's a mobile phone game but you can play it on the PC with an app called bluestacks.

they have a free version but the torrent version is better cause it has higher resolution and wide screen support.

https://kickass.so/bluestacks-rooted-version-0-9-4-4078-modded-english-apollo-t9801191.html

The game is boring.

the game is dope. i enjoy building my town and attacking others to steal their resources.

I agree with b!z.  Started out fun at first, but soon you realize no matter what you do there is always a way to beat you down.  Also the longer you play the longer it takes to build/upgrade things.

I'm in a clan with some family members, so I can't just quit... so I only log on once a day to collect my resources.

it's not an action RPG. it's a long term strategy game. it's not something you sit down and play for hours. you plan your upgrades do a few raids then leave it alone for a few days while your town is under construction.

i think it's genius. i love logging on and watching all the other people attack my base so i can improve my defense. you guys either don't like strategy or need something more flashy.

sounds like your defense sucks  ;D

I'm sitting around 1,100 - how about you?

i started playing about a week ago. i'm TH 5 and hit 1000 trophies the other day. what's awesome is i was silver 3 when i went to bed. when i logged on in the morning 3 people tried to attack me over night. 2 failed and the trophies i gained from my defense pushed me up a rank. i think it's dope you can climb ranks through defense attack or both.

Started 18 days ago. Have wizard tower, will have wizards in 18 hours. My username is Agentfly42

i just got my wizard tower. still working on my wizards. i always rush gold production after TH upgrade so i can upgrade walls and defenses. when that's upgraded i work on my army and go hunting for more resources.

love it.

Also there's not always a way to beat you down. That means you're not trying. It goes slow, but it's a great way to pass time. I got up so quickly because I had two other profiles but my old tablets broke so I had to start over, and now I know how to do it. :)
I'm playing right now, my clan is airsoft bros. with a green/black sheild, check it out.

fun game

thank you. those two just suck or don't have the mindset for war and strategy.

i think it's going mainstream cause they are now advertising. just saw these two commercials. i laughed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXQExw1zSPA&list=UUD1Em4q90ZUK2R5HKesszJg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTGpD871pwg&list=UUD1Em4q90ZUK2R5HKesszJg

lol.  I love strategy games and play them all the time.  (LoL and Civ5 are my two current ones)

May I suggest a third alternative - I just don't find the simplicity of the game interesting enough.

But I'm not here to diss it - each to their own.   :)

I love those ads. And it's cool how the game has people of all ages. I'm 14, my uncle is 46 and is in my clan

i play LoL but kinda bored with it. calling that a strategy game is a stretch though.

there are no other alternatives. if you like strategy but not clans then you just plain suck at clans.   ;D

have you tried hearthstone?

There are games with more strategy like Boom Beach, but I like Coc's  simplicity.
BTW what clans are you guys in

i went by my nephew last weekend. he likes games so i asked him if he heard of clash of clans. he looked at me with this grin on his face and he asked me, what do you know about clash of clans? i laughed then he whipped out his phone and started to show me his base. it was a cool moment.

one thing i think will make a huge difference regarding if you enjoy the game is what you play on. he played on this phone with a 3 or 4 inch screen. i could not see myself enjoying the game on a phone. i play on my PC with a giant LED and hacked emulatar for better resolution and wide screen support. having the whole base in view without having to constantly zoom in and out is nice.

I use a 7 inch screen, pretty convenient. I got all my friends and family playing Coc so my clan is all loyal and we are all like bros.

Never was fun in my opinion. Mobile gaming is just a modern rehash of 2006-era Facebook games (think Farmville, Mafia Wars). Invite your friends, come back everyday, pay to win.

mobile gaming is still in infancy stage. it will catch up. clans isn't pay to win either.

party pooper.  :P

Please elaborate. From what I see, you can purchase gems with money, which can be used to unlock every aspect of the game without waiting (upgrading buildings, getting gold/elixir).

Mobile gaming is a joke. Look at Micromon (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/micromon/id687212362?mt=8); it's a Pokemon clone filled with in-app purchases. Still, kids these days still spend money on it, because it's the only type of game they've been exposed to. 10 years ago, would anybody have taken Pokemon seriously if you had to pay $0.99 to unlock new areas or buy Pokeballs?

As another example, look at Angry Birds. Is it an original concept? Of course not. Flappy Bird? Nope. Candy Crush? Just a clone of Bejeweled. Many of the top mobile games right now are blatant ripoffs of games that have existed for years already.

From what I see, mobile is moving gaming backwards, not forwards.

For me, Clash of Clans is a great game where the time limits give it value. I mean, think if you could shoot up the charts in one day. The gems can be earned at a good pace and paying is not too heavily integrated. Don't have what you want? Wait a couple hours, or steal it from another user. Paying to play is for people who have no patience. When you work at the game, it becomes fun.

Sure it is.  You pump money in to buy gems, which make you level faster.

A person paying will always win over a person just playing.

You think so because so many games right now operate on the same premise, and you probably have not been exposed to anything different.

Would it not be better to play games based on skill, rather than patience or money? Would games like chess and soccer have lasted through the centuries if you could just cheat them by paying a few dollars or waiting a few hours?

I think so because I think so about Clash. Candy crush? Heck no. Goodgame? Too many purchases. I've seen others. Clash is special, unlike "Micromon" or Flappy  'Turd'. Some games have barely any purchases, others rely fully on ads. You are focusing on a select type of game. Chess does not have purchases. Clash has little purchases. Candy crush is a ripoff. There are many games of different types, not just those negative 55% of mobile games.

purchasing gems does not give any strategic advantage over another player during PVP. both sides get the same buildings and troops. people who spend nothing still have access to an unlimited supply of gems. buying gems is just for the impatient or those who want to support the developers.


if you think there is no skill involved playing clans you have not played enough.

this is completely inaccurate.

I haven't played it much, but doesn't buying gems allow you to unlock higher level buildings and walls at an earlier level compared to people who don't spend money?


Clash of Clans is not "special" though. Like I said, the same concept has existed for years. You could just argue that it's a Farmville-type game with a village theme instead of a farming theme.

gems do not allow access to higher level stuff at an earlier level. your player level effects nothing. it's just a way to gauge your progress.

clans is special. there are 1,920,000 youtube videos about it.

but now we are talking about opinions and they do vary so whatever floats your boat.

Buying gems does not allow you to unlock higher level buildings at an earlier level.  But they do allow you to reach the level needed FASTER than a person who does not buy gems.  So a person using gems will advance faster than a person who does not use them.

the advantage is only time. there is no advantage when playing against another player. that's not pay to win.

pay to win is buying something that non-buyers don't have access to and provides an advantage over another player.

I hate every game when microtransactions are making it any easier/less time consuming. I feel it is just cheating when you have to pay to build some things faster.

that's how F2P studios make money. if they could buy stuff that was not available with the free model then ya that's BS. but for a game that was released for free you have to take in consideration the time effort and money it took to give us that game for free. they deserve to make a little something.

If you took away the waiting element of Clash of Clans, there wouldn't be much of a game left over. The F2P model might work, but I don't like the way it lets players substitute waiting with paying money.

I personally think Valve has pulled off F2P well with games like Dota 2 and CS:GO. Money can only be spent on cosmetic items that have no effect on gameplay, unlike in Clash of Clans where gems are a major focus of the game.

strangely enough i like the waiting element. that's part of what makes it unique. when i saw my first upgrade time of 1 day i was like WTF are they serious? but now that i check on my town daily it's a nice change of pace from the rush through it in a day or two games that is the industry standard. the fact that it will take you 6 months to a year to build everything provides a sense of accomplishment that a 10-20 hour game lacks.

This model is wrong. Do not get me wrong. I love F2P games, games like DOTA 2 or Smite. They are both prime example of how you should do F2P model. When you can buy only cosmetic items and nothing, absolutely nothing that changes you gameplay - that is real F2P.

your definition of F2P is just your opinion. the majority consider F2P as something you can play without cost and purchases are optional.

You're right. If it's F2P, then obviously you can play it for free. I think what Slark and myself are trying to say is that there are games where the "pay" aspect has a greater role than in other games. The latter is better, at least in my opinion, because the game revolves more on skill rather than paying money.

to me it sounds like slark was talking about cosmetic vs gameplay changes and you were plainly saying clans lacks skill. these are two different discussions.

I guess what I really meant to say is that skill is less important in Clash of Clans. There isn't much beyond figuring out where to place buildings and where to deploy troops.


The difference is that you spend time waiting for rewards instead of that time honing your skills in a game like LoL or CS. But like you said, to each his own.

you may not believe that clans takes skill, but trust me, it does. when i was in bronze league i use to overwhelm other players by spamming barbarians. that shit don't work in silver. you need a balanced army and that balance is like walking a tightrope. you also have to know not only where to place troops but when to play them. an example is dropping a giant to hold defense aggro so you can drop a wall breaker to get through the walls and then sending in your barbarians and archers. you can't progress unless you understand each troops role. you also have to know how to lure champions and clan castle troops away from the base and when to use spells. and that's just for attacking. defense is basically a whole different game and so is building order and building placement. there is alot more to it than somebody who never passed bronze league would know about.


this is also inaccurate. you don't wait for rewards. you will earn nothing by simply waiting. you earn rewards by defending and attacking for resources in between your upgrade periods. there is a fine balance between all of these mechanics that eludes you cause you have not put enough time in the game.

I'll agree with that.  The PvP part of the game does take skill.  I know this because I keep losing.  Maybe that's why I dislike the game.   :-\

i've been playing games before i was 10 thanks to my older sisters who had an NES. i have so much experience with games i usually just tear through them quickly without much thought. but once i hit silver 2 in clans i started getting my ass kicked. no matter what i did i could not get in a base and destroy those damn town halls. it was frustrating but at the same time it was a nice change and i think that's part of why i like it so much. i can't just blow through it i have to be patient and learn the mechanics.

You're right; I have not played Clash of Clans much, because I don't like games like it for reasons stated earlier. Thank you for the explanation though. I can see now why the game appeals to many people.

Cheers :)

cheers!!!!   ;D