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https://www.minerslab.com/product/smart-miner-2-se-10ths-rack-mount-bitcoin-miner/

claiming 10ths no word on psu or anything... Looks promising but spotty also

It's a scam!

https://twitter.com/MinersLab

EDIT: To be clear, it's a 100% scam!

My advise, do not buy hardware from unknown company.
Read hardware (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=76.0) thread to find legit company that had good reputation like bitmain, spondoliestech, technobit.

Obvious sign of a scam!

From their ToS:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS549US549&q=%22+If+payment+is+not+received+within+the+time+that+is+customary+for+the+used+manner%22&oq=%22+If+payment+is+not+received+within+the+time+that+is+customary+for+the+used+manner%22&gs_l=serp.3...50619.51089.0.51522.2.2.0.0.0.0.69.137.2.2.0.eprnk%2Cekomodo%3Dtrue...0...1.1j2.58.serp..2.0.0.lSbVVMzYBLQ

Ergo, a scam!

More from their ToS:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS549US549&q=%22Our+maximum+liability+to+you+under+the+contract+shall+be+twice+the+value+of+the+goods+that%22&oq=%22Our+maximum+liability+to+you+under+the+contract+shall+be+twice+the+value+of+the+goods+that%22&gs_l=serp.3...21549.24236.0.24557.3.3.0.0.0.0.73.191.3.3.0.eprnk%2Cekomodo%3Dtrue...0...1.1.58.serp..3.0.0.gsqZmeuiuSY

Now, it's 1,000% labeled as a scam!

https://www.facebook.com/MinersLab

I say Jeff Ownby is behind this site. The first article of of BFL's game show. The third is about Satoshi Forest.

10,000% it's a scam!

http://virtualmining.com/minerslab-ltd-launches-their-newest-and-most-profitable-cryptocurrency-miners-for-bitcoin-litecoin-and-other-altcoins/


I wonder if Doyle Brunson is their CFO.

Let's be clear! One can't get rich mining for gold in the desert, but if you have the right tools, it can be enormously profitable, ergo one can become rich.

I love companies that talk outta their ass.

Did I mention this is a scam?

I found this company this week when looking for a scrypt miner. In monday I will be in a business trip in UK for a few days, so I can try to schedule an appointment. If they are real, I think it will be possible. So, let's see  :)

gusti, I'm visiting my sister in uk right now and will be there during the next week. we can cooperate to take a ride together. Check your PM

He didn't say you can't get rich doing it, just that it's not easy. You have to have the right tools - like heartlessness, opportunism and (optionally, if you don't like being in jail) access to industrial fabrication infrastructure on the discount.

shady thred burn it

I have sent you a PM.
See you.

Hashing Speed    10TH/s

Power Consumption 2100 Watts

presale for 2020?:))))))))))

MinersLab Ltd.
7 High St.
Andover,
Hampshire SP10 1LJ
United Kingdom

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/03/34/27/3342730_11ee4be2.jpg

http://s1.postimg.org/gkljrxhu7/image.png

I just wanted to punch holes in their FAQs



But they haven't physically sold any products yet.


A company that doesn't want to take your money?


So they don't keep confidential data locked up from visitors?


Jokes on you, it was spare parts.

As planned, together with oureptsC we had a meeting with the Minerslab representative. First of all, many thanks to oureptsC and his sister for the welcome. It was really nice to meet you and I hope to see you again.

I was skeptical about this company, but it looks, this trip left a good impression. It was really difficult to arrange it, but we finally found a common ground. After many calls and conversations, I was able to convince that their will not loose anything after meeting with representative of Bitcointalk community. 
Well, after we met up with oureptsC I made a call to confirm our appointment. We agreed that their representative will meet us in a concerted place and we will go to test at least one of their miners. After meeting with Walter (ML's representative) we drove to another side of city. In the warehouse, we had ability to see the 10Th/s bitcoin miner in work. Unfortunately we had no ability for longer presentation, but it was enough for understanding that they have at least one miner, that works with its stated parameters.

I planned to buy at least one device but as Walter said, orders were closed one day before because one of their customers made a wholesale order and bought out all available miners, but the next batch is scheduled for January.

Pics or it never happened. Pics of you, the miner, the hashrate or its just bogus. Did it look like the one on the web site where the heatsinks are all positioned in the wrong direction to catch any airflow?  ::)

Not to cast aspersions, but your account activity is might strange, you were a huge poster up until June, then nothing till October, then all of a sudden you are all over this sham/scam company validating it all of a sudden. oureptsC is the same, posting regularly up till June and then nothing till November when he weighs in here to back you up. Smacks of bought accounts, not saying that you are, but its mighty suspicious.  :-\

"Convenient" that they sold the last of their "stock" one day before you arrived ::)

Funny how a company who has an About Us page that says:


And yet the company has only been in existence for 6 months..

"Gusti" has barely been active in the past year(s). There is a very good chance this is a purchased account. Beware.

scam
scam
scam
...

Well, I posted it not to prove something to somebody. It is just a report about trip and my own opinion. I do not pretend to be a guarantor. You always have to decide yourself.

I understand but you can see how suspicious you look.

All these guys need to do is send a sample device to a known high profile reliable forum member who can do an independent review. What is so hard about that?

Im gonna guess this was for Gusti's account:

WTS: Legendary BCT forum account 1k+ activity 1k+ post count

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=840130.0

From another thread by the same seller: "Account creation: 1st half of 2011."

Matches perfectly:
Posts:   1097
Activity:   1096
Position:   Legendary
Date Registered:   January 25, 2011, 02:04:46 PM

Except for the avatar, but I guess the buyer accidentally deleted that by trying to change it.

"Gusti", how is your Spanish?

What I can say.. I agree with you, it is not hard. But it is not my company, and I can't answer "why".
By the way, I have asked why they don't even published any video. He said that the person responsible for that is absent, but they will present the video soon.

Gusti, I sent an email to the real Gusti.  If that is you, please check and report back asap.

gusti, thanks. I'll be glad to see you again.

remember, I told you that you don't have to post that? no one will appreciate it.

Back in 2012, Gusti (the real one) spearheaded a project called openbitasic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76351.0

The project went nowhere, but he registered the domain, using an email I will not post here, but is easy to find. I emailed that address asking to post some code here to verify the Gusti account was still controlled by him. Instead, I got a reply from that address and from a name that began with Gustavo (same name Gusti used to sign his posts with, same name that registered said domain) :


So yeah, the account was sold and you can be sure this whole thing is a plain scam.

Puppet, I can understand your eagerness to feel like a detective, but you don't know what you talking about. Please, do not equate me with something in your imagination.

Latest email from "you":

I have little to no sympathy for the real Gusti who sold his account and must have realized what it would be used for, but Il stil honor his request to not use his name or email to some degree. Anyone who doubts me, go here:

https://whoisology.com/

Using the domain information I posted above, go through the archive and you'll be able to piece together what I did, and confirm what I found.

Confirmed SCAM.

What is wrong with you? I told before that I'm not trying to be a guarantor or something like that.
But your attack looks really strange and I can't understand reason of that. I do not propose you anything (and to nobody at all). And at least for that reason I will not argue.

Anyway, I think if they will present some video, everything will fall into place.

Hows your Spanish gusti? Still didnt find an online translator that you trust?

For those who dont follow, the real gustavo lives in Argentina and is a native spanish speaker. Just check his post history.

Nice try, gusti, but your account above is... well, how to put this delicately...

The domain is only exactly 4 months old.

To help with that decision making process, are you the original owner of the gusti user account or did you purchase it?

Not that I'm defending anyone, but it's possible for a lot of work to be accomplished before official paperwork gets turned in for registrations and stuff. Some people just really hate paperwork.

Wait till you get a taste of my imagination.  ;D ;D ;D

Interesting timeline:

- Form idea for company two years ago.

- Register great company name for tax reasons in July, 2014.

- Purchase great domain name before somebody else does in August, 2014.

- Built website, put in place social media sources, don't create BCT account.

- Welcome two bozos and a sister from the BCT community to show how viable we are.

- Bozos go back to BCT community and report all is well.

- Profit! (unless that psycho Gleb and his minions fuck everything up)

<BTW, I haven't started with that imagination part yet>

According to the timestamp of your post, looks like you all had a busy morning today.

Don't know what you had to tell Walter to convince him that Minerslab wouldn't loose anything due to the informative meetup, but to date that's not working out so hot, is it?

Apologies for my imagination not yet kickin' in, but when it does...

Did you all bow down in front of it, kiss its USB cords, then thank it for wasting its valuable time prior to leaving its Holiness?

Gleb, looks like you do not understand that is was yesterday. Not today.

Are you sick?

This is Google's cache of https://twitter.com/oureptsC. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Nov 7, 2014 10:21:26 GMT.: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ut5YzcbXgyoJ:https://twitter.com/oureptsC&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1


https://twitter.com/FateZeroth




What part of Imagination Time! didn't you understand?

I love the internet! Before presenting proof, I thought I'd ask first: Are you oureptsC lovers?

It will be a lesson for me. Never share your experience with unknown people.
Moreover, one idiot placed a negative feedback without any reason. You remind me of jackals.

Keep your imagination with you. I do not want to have anything to do with this bacchanalia.

Hey "Gusti". Remember me?

Ergo, on Sunday a large wholesale order was placed, thus miners available for purchase on Monday, the day of your fake walk-through. Got it!

Are you seriously trying to match wits with my imagination? To paraphrase another...

Your lost, but I hear the foods delicious.

Lol @ Gleb. What is it with you (and bitcoin) with Joshuas?

I hope that whatever he paid for the account, gusti the second feels that he has had a good ROI  :D

All it takes is one sucker to buy a unit :(

Nice generic 4U cases. I wonder why they sourced different cases for the SHA256 and the Scrypt miner? Pity we can't really see what is inside, except that the hardware to hold the drive trays are still in place and we get a glimpse of the heat sinks with the fins going side to side against airflow.

 ;) ;) ;)

You know what would be funny? If Ladbrokes had the same address as MinersLab.

 ;) ;) ;)

https://minerslab.com/wp-content/uploads/minerslab-team-300x228.jpg

Amazing! 23 employees, and nary a one are bright enough to come to this forum to espouse their venerable brand, putting the other bitcoin hardware providers to shame, instead leaving it up to two blokes who claimed to have visited their sorry-ass facilities, then reporting back here to only have us destroy their fuckin' brand before they even get off the ground. Fuckin' geniuses!

A legitimate company would never put themselves in such a position, whereas a scam outfit would bend over backwards to see how badly they could fuck it all up. MinersLab falls into the latter camp - SCAMMERS!

Like I said, FUCKIN' GENIUSES!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=391618


Registered, but don't have the balls to come here to defend they're self-professed venerable brand.

https://www.facebook.com/MinersLab/info?tab=page_info


23 employees; 5 years experience each; nary a one realizing that their copy reads as if a scammer penned it, a scammer whose obvious mother tongue is not US or UK English, unless penned by a dropout Englishman, the only other alternative.

Gleb, give it a rest. It has already been demonstrated beyond doubt that they are scammers by the fact they purchased a legendary account to shill and fake a story that someone even just saw their hardware.

Thats a smoking gun if ever I saw one, they have no credibility left, lets not bury the evidence with endless google search results.

Their Twitter account is obviously contrived, 100% sure they purchased all their followers: http://twitter.com/MinersLab

http://twopcharts.com/profile/minerslab


https://www.facebook.com/MinersLab/photos/a.369769599844179.1073741827.369749996512806/369768799844259/?type=1&theater

http://s18.postimg.org/mdfudlt61/image.jpg

It's obviously a scam. No need for further proof.

http://www.ccdni.com/director-gatis-praulins


Anybody in the market for spare parts? I know this dude in the UK...

I wonder if Gatis Pralins has met up with Alex Sovu.

dude that is Bitcominers! the page is exactly the same set up! do not buy from those guys you will lose all your money

hello
inform you that the minerslab is a fraud.
do not buy anything, will be deceived, cheated, stolen
own experience

This is the first I've heard of it.  Tragically the website took so long to load that I x'd out.

good morning.
for those who do not know
I leave here a link to a website
to report fraud.
we were cheated as I
  by minerslab
make complaint.
http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/

I can also confirm that this must be a scam. I asked them if it's possible to buy 3 x 900MH scrypt ASICs, but wanted to visit them, test the ASICs and then to pay. It is about 2,700 km. trip for me and I wanted to make sure they are legit. I also was ready to provide proof (payment, invoice, my company is VAT registered) that I already bought about 45,000 euro worth of miners in the past future. They told me that they have enough customers and they don't have reasons to prove anything (to tell you the truth... I have received that exact answer from many companies (or should I say - "companies"?)).
However, they said that I can visit them, but we must make an appointment 2-3 weeks before visit. Sounds good... instead that they also told me that they have only 5 miners left, which they believe will be sold until we meet. :D I am researching scrypt ASICs market for more than a year and my personal opinion is that this is 99,99% scam.

I can also confirm that Minerslab is a FRAUD. I ordered and paid for a 10TH bitcoin miner. Order was not shipped. After 3 weeks delay, I asked for money back. And the seller, called Walter Maleyson, said it would be credited in a few days. After some time, money back was not credited and the seller does not reply my emails anymore. I filled a fraud report on Action fraud. MINERSLAB IS A SCAM!!! DON'T GIVE ANY PENNY TO THESE SCAMMERS. DON'T BUY IT, YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR MONEY.

hello, good morning ac81
I'm in the same situation as you.
they are con artists.
I sent 2 emails
this was sent in the days 18/19/20 February
there was no response.

_______________________________________________________

good afternoon
inform you Until Friday,
not receive proof of transfer by email.
Monday I will make complaint
in the
  I am being cheated by minerslab.
Will British Embassy in Lisbon
to the Portuguese embassy in london
to the English judicial police
the http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/
the Ministry for Foreign Affairs
and I will give the names I know related to minerslab

Walter Maleyson, Chang Preston, Gatis Praulins, Andrew Chiffer.
some names must be true


___________________________________________________________________________

and this was sent on 20 February.
I still have not the answer.


__________________________________________________________________________

good afternoon
the least he could do
was to have a little respect,
and Respond to emails.

I really wanted
was my money.
are not being right for me,
can you please give permission to your bank
to return the money.

____________________________________________________________________________

I leave here 2 links with registration information of the servers and the responsible person
the minerslab.
can be helpful to join the process.
https://who.is/domain-history/minerslab.com
http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/minerslab.com

Oh FFS no matter how many times we call out these scams...

Why must people piss on the electric fence and give these scammers money...

My latest theory as to where The Mighty Quinn Matt Carson is a headin' to next: Alaska becomes latest state to legalize marijuana use (http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/24/us/alaska-marijuana/)

Watch out: http://aryadutaminer.com/buy-the-minerslab-litecoin-scrypter-pro-900mhs-rack-mount-scrypt-miner-online.html (http://aryadutaminer.com/buy-the-minerslab-litecoin-scrypter-pro-900mhs-rack-mount-scrypt-miner-online.html)
The darn thing is spreading worldwide.. :)

They have "official" contact information on the web site, but the domain whois data hidden. :)

http://aryadutaminer.com/image/data/ARYA-DUTA-MINER-store.jpg

http://aryadutaminer.com/image/data/ARYA-DUTA-MINER-store.jpg

http://www.monforts-starvision.com/en/about.html

http://www.monforts-starvision.com/images/about-banner_en/01.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/20131216005401im_/http://monforts-starvision.com.cn/uploadfile/201108/20110808223712859.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/20131216005401im_/http://monforts-starvision.com.cn/uploadfile/201108/20110808223712859.jpg

http://www.moldmaking.com.tw/lcimages/2013lcu_03_10646970400286_4602.png

http://www.moldmaking.com.tw/lcimages/2013lcu_03_10646970400286_4602.png

Is it just me, or do both of those look photoshopped?

Apologies for being slow, but... "...or do all three of those look photoshopped?"

It's amazing how fast Google has indexed my post above: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22ARYADUTAMINER.COM%22&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS549US549&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=znTvVPnCGobHsQSA34D4Ag&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAw&biw=1242&bih=577#imgdii=_

All one has to do is post "ARYADUTAMINER.COM" with info about Matt Carson and both entities are toast.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://aryadutagraha.com/

Hi, I'm from Ukraine and was deceived by manerslab addressed in actionfraud treatment is not yet yielded no results can someone faced with such situations before and know whether it is possible to recover their Bitcoins may make sense ? Write collective appeal to the administration blokchain and ask to block the account of scams and return to your Bitcoins wallet or you can forget about your Bitcoins ? Let us together solve the problem ! ???

There is no "administration blockchain", the biggest upside (and in your case the downside) of Bitcoin is that it is decentralized and nobody can undo transactions that have already been fulfilled.
(except if they send it back themselves, but that is a new transaction)

There is however the chance of finding more information about the company's owners and tracking them down in the hope of getting your money back.

My advice: Make sure you have some basic knowledge of what you are investing your money in...

What is the probability that will return the money ?

Bitcoin is like cash, if you had sent cash to this company in a brown paper envelope do you think you would have been able to get it back?

Yet another seller: http://blessinghash.com/minerslab (http://blessinghash.com/minerslab)

http://blessinghash.com/minerslab    attention is scam, fraud.
99% sure

After writing to their sales department which answered very quickly to any question that I've asked, not one review from their customers that purchased anything from them puts a big question mark on this company. When I asked why there are no reviews or feedbacks left by their customers the answer was :

Most of our customers do not want to share information about their purchase. Moreover, our Privacy Policy do not allow us to share customer's data.
You can see the video of working miners on our YouTube channel.

Walter Maleyson.

Precaution should be taken when purchasing anything from them.

bla bla bla.... and u believe that shit?

scam is scam. but i guess u guys made enough btc in the cpu era and 10 or more btc is noting to you guys!

They have been listed in the latest alerts on http://www.badbitcoin.org/
I hope this will help someone..

please tell me where you can buy the script miner at 900MH / s only this site or company without fraud ??? ??? ???

How come their web site is still online?:(
https://www.minerslab.com/special-offer-get-a-50-discount/
And they are reporting a new product
https://www.minerslab.com/product/smart-miner-3-0-rack-mount-20ths-bitcoin-miner/
Good to be a member of bitcointalk:)and and be aware of these jerks

It's a 20T machine... it's vaporware.  No one is currently producing anything like this that is a legit bitcoin company.

They keep it up as chances are they made money off of scam.   If they get one order it likely could pay to keep site up for years if they wanted to.

Wow, 20T machine with 2 boards from the look.  They're offering 15 year warranties on the scrypt equipment.  Such a deal.  It looks like you can buy Bitcoin and Litecoin right from their site, how cool.   :o  ( The previous was me holding my stomach while I LOL'd )  Don't give them a second thought.

i'll buy 20 machines and overclock them to triple the normal speed!!!! wooo hoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!
this shit should be deleted from start :)

I don't know about deleted I think locked up.  If anyone did get scammed is reason I say keep scams just mod's lock.   They already overclocked it t double selling 20 T machines now... hard to see but below shows a empty server case.  They slapped a sticker on it called it a miner.


https://www.minerslab.com/product/smart-miner-2-se-10ths-rack-mount-bitcoin-miner/ you can see pictures better.

but they have the new Super ASIC that nobody has heard of---  ???

Considering it looks like you are trying to buy an account in a different thread I'm guessing your trolling.

But no.... no super asic here.

I SEND THIS EMAIL TO MINERSLAB.COM : Comments : The problem is that everyone is taling about on the internet as it would be minerslab a scam ...I say this as i want to buy 10 devices and that means i should invest 50.000$. Nobody invests 50.000 $ in nothing. It is possible to pay in cash ? Or they me receive as evidence that these devices really exist ? i wish i had a meeting an company representative. It is possible at least one of the above claims ?


The answer from Minerslab : You can listen say fake "customers" paid by our competition, or you can visit us in our office in London. Yes , of cours you can pay in cash. Regards , Walter Maleyson.


soo once they give me the possibiliti to pay in cash , i dont think minerslab is scam.  i send to them 8 mails and i get 8 answeres from them.

Sure... ;D

Yes, please show up at their office with a briefcase of $50,000 to buy these magical miners.  You will be rich!

Also, please post here how it goes, so that others don't fall for a blatantly obvious trap like you seem to want to.

As has been established, they were originally registered as a UK company using a bookmaker's shop address.
They have since changed that to 84 Roman Way, Andover SP10 5JS. This is a terraced house in a residential area of Hampshire, not in London.
It would be a tight fit for the 20+ people in the staff picture, which incidentally, comes from a Finnish version of imgur, just the sort of thing a Latvian living in the UK would use.


Well Mr. rich one post newbie, let us know how you get on. Are you just intending on turning up, giving them $50k and driving off with 10 boxes?
Sounds like bullshit a plan.

I smell POSERCOTO Zipkin here our beloved friend with this twitter shit.

His style for sure social networks likes and stuff.
Please try hard poserko think of something more original ;D surprise us offer free units for melting and gold extracting from PCB's ;D

Hello poserko,
I am wandering how many attempts are you going to make before your ass will suddenly be jailed  ;D

I notified https://coinplorer.com/Hardware that they are promoting a scam. I'll post back if they reply to my email and remove Minerslab.

EDIT: Coinplorer replied and removed Minerslab

Hello community, I'm new user here and we have gathered a team and preparing to file a lawsuit against Minerslab. For now it's a small lawsuit 12000$ but we are planning to gather people who were scamed by same site, and join them to the case. Contact me if you want to have a part in it.

Good luck even finding them... :S..

Anyone who EVER got their order shipped, or even got any e-mail response from them after submitting payment - please share your experience here:
https://www.facebook.com/MinersLab.is.a.Fraud/

I was looking at miner labs for bitcoin miners, but I do my homework and they look just like the phminers and another one I found on the way, honestly the other one had a website exactly the same. But I loose myself, but I did contact them and this was the last reply I got. I know they are scammers and I wish I knew how to remover them from the internet, I think we do need internet police or something. But hey I like messing around with people, especially if they are scammers.

Dear Johnny,

Yes, we know about some people who write bad review. It is a result of buying of our products by customers from so called "resellers" and "dealers" like septriya.com, flashashing.com orhashingminer.com.
As I told you before, we do not have any dealers or resellers, and any company that offer our products is scam. But some customers do not want to believe that our products can't be sold by any other third party. As a result, they cheated, and we can't do anything with that.

You or your representative can visit our office, but the visit should be scheduled at least 10 days before the date of visit. Also, we will need a copy of passport/ID of visitor for security and verification purposes.
But anyway, we do not have so many units. At this moment we have the last 73 units, which I believe will be sold in few days as we have other customers interested in buying of all the rest of miners.

We will not have more miners during the nearest 9-12 months, because we already have a large bulk order from one of our customers.
So I think you should look for another manufacturer who can fulfill your request.



Regards,
Chang Preston

Now as for me first thank you to everyone here who is helping to stop or at least in for very one about scammers. Second, I am looking to build a bitcoin mining farm and looking for help. So if anyone is interested let me know. Thanks, John

Also looking to know if anyone knows anything about the 1 ph miners in china, I looked at the website, but I do not speak or read Chinese. They say 60 or 70 thousand for a 1 ph 16nm miner. Also a big clue for me no one that I have seen yet has pointed out is the 12nm technology of the miners.  And the same is true for the phminers, and both have 15 year warranty, I think I even read 30 year warranty once somewhere. There is also a miner out there that advertise 10nm technology, as far as I know it is not out there yet. hey let's all look out for one another.

These scammers appeared to have returned for rerun and are calling themselves UFOMiners now -
"Fake Mining Hardware company "UFOMiners.com" (possibly same as Minerslab)" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1665331.0

I guess those scammers will never learn until they get slammed for good... then they will learn.