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I am interested to hear opinions on which cryptos people think will hold / grow value in the future, and why.

For example, I hold $UNO. It has been an excellent store of value with a very nice trendline. One of it's strongest points is the community as well as the fact that many holders also hold bullion and willingly exchange the two back and forth.

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i see some uno people are even trolling bitcoin as we speak. Uno is the only coin that makes bitcoin hoarders shit their pants because it does right what bitcoin does wrong (bleeding like a bitch all the time)
Tell me another coin that really can go out and troll bitcoin. There are none.

Bitcoin is no real store of value with its inflation and the well known endresult of constant bleeding. Uno does the store of value thing for you. Bitcoin is just a payment system but not a good store of value (yet or anytime soon).

This is not even exaggerated. It is simply stating the obvious and provable facts (based on past tradehistory and hard, cold numbers).  

Want to hold money in coins for the longterm? Bitcoin or Uno? Uno would be the rational decision for you.

The positive sideeffect of reduced volatility in uno is very much overlooked and underrated too. Once people catch on, Uno is solving a whole array of problems bitcoin has it'll just rise more. And when i say rise i mean RISE!

and the best part of it: it comes without any greedy fuckery from the dev, which is actually my favorite part  :)

824$ of UNO traded during the last 24h.
Wow, such liquidity. Many volume.
Very profit.
Amaze

volume comes in waves.
periods of lower interest is not a problem for uno because it actually doesn't bleed like most other crypto.
Low tradevolume is no problem because it's hoarded anyways and many people once aquired don't want to trade it a lot.
Markets are relatively liquid (and prices as stable as it gets) right now despite some sellpressure we have been seeing from speculators recently.
Liquidity in the market is not reflected in tradevolume in any case. I have seen shitcoins with very low cap and no buysupport do incredible volume. If fake volume is what it takes for you to be interested i am really sorry for you because uno doesn't do that. You'll have to stick to scamcoins then.
I do not have any concerns i would not be able to find a buyer later. There will be plenty buyers as this coin is discovered for what it really is.
Once that volume is 10k$ on regular basis you will pay considerably more for the single coin. More demand will make it go very high very quickly.
Don't say you haven't been told. Once you see some 30btc or more traded in 24h you'll know the train has left the station and the price is up 5 times or more already. Make no mistake about it.

peercoin in my opinion is a excellant store of value, during the btc crash a couple of weeks ago while BTC was falling PPC held it's value

i thought the supply was infinite? (no hard cap)

look here:
https://bitinfocharts.com/ppcoin/

number of blocks multiplied with blockreward mulitplied with 365 (days of the year) gives me out an annual dilution of ppc holdings of 500k in 1 year.
It amounts still to an inflation of 2,5% annually at the moment. Not bad when compared to other coins (4 times better than bitcoin right now) but uno can still beat that many times.

Holdings in ppc are certainly eroded less over time than holdings in btc or ltc, that is true. I do not think the annual 2,5% includes the erotion from pos interest though. The interest you get on holdings (1% or 2% a year?) has to be added to the inflation from mining.
Uno in any case has a lower inflation than ppc has even, which already has a more healthy amount of inflation compared to the rest of the coins. 

Actually in the future peercoin will be a full POS coin. When this happens the annual 1% inflation will be offset by destroyed transaction fees. Add to that upcoming PPC ATMs and other community initiatives it's fair to assume that if peercoin sees mass adoption it's value would explode. 

the pos interest is inflation too ;)

ATM's are easy to make. Even franko has one. Not a particular sellingpoint.

Uno will have atms naturally later. There won't be much hype about it (or i don't expect any)

ppc is all nice, already a better choice. If you are concious enough to care about the properties in regards of value preservation of ppc you certainly will like some Uno in your portfolio too.  ;)
Just check out the thread. It's a different world in there (compared to what you get in most other threads). The coin makes a pretty solid impression to me.

(sorry for hijacking your thread Charlie ;) )

I believe this particular project, and especially its developer Rofo aka Mr. Jason Curby holds promise:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.0;all

His projects did not participate in the usual 2014 pump and dump game, but still survives and is in fact beginning to thrive with the latest initiative and more.

Thoughts?

i'd need to take a better look. Can't say anything definate from a quick look. It's not even released yet and i can't find the specs effortless. What meets the eye immediately is the low interest in the thread (only 12 pages) Is this the solution to my NOBL holdings going down so much? What was wrong with Nobl V1.0? Let me guess ... inflation?  ;)
Maybe Nobl 2.0 can make it better now.

Uno on the other hand had the solution to a problem which wasn't even identified by most people back when it was released. That's why i think it's first choice: it has been there all the time. The latest trend in alts towards lower inflation is expected and very rational. I'd thought people would never understand why the coins only go down  ;) Thank god some people start to think.  ::)

Supply and demand make the price. Yes you got that right - both are equally important.

I beleive in Gaiacoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807698.920

Great dev. Already delivered good stuff. (app store.... few days ago)
Price is around 500 sat. So it is not big risk.

5% inflation is what the USD or Euro can do for you too.
not particular good in holding value. Could be worse but it's not good at all.

(is this even a serious longterm project? Only two months old. I'd look at it again 3 months from now - but that's just me)


But maybe a good tip for a quick flip on the coins. Cheers.  :)


nah, forget it. Initial distribution with ico. I am not touching it. Dev could have selfbought 90% of the icocoins. No way of knowing that. Sorry to disappoint with my analysis of that coin.  :-\
It's ultra high risk to me based on the initial distribution. Also makes you wonder why this is below ico price for so long despite dev activity? Maybe we have an undiscovered case here of large selfbuy ico? Not worth speculating on in the eye of the risk of a dev selling 90% of the coins to you AGAIN and once he's through with it he'll be gone and do it AGAIN.

I've been onboard with PPC since near day one. Took a large position over time and have enjoyed watching it grow in value. Wish I'd sold out a bunch last year when it went to the moon, but oh well, if I find a crypto I like, I'm a HOLDr

@ smalltimer no need to apologize at all, I appreciate your comments and interactions. The reason I started this thread is because there are numerous coin discussions on here, but most are about the latest pump and dump scheme. I'm too old for that crap, I'd like to form a portfolio of crypto that will stand the test of time and appreciate slowly.

That's what's so great about $UNO. The community is diverse, strong, mature, knowledgable, willing to try new things and realize that true growth and value takes time. That's why I've taken a generational wealth-type position in the coin.

With the advent of the DVC trading tool, I believe that we will see UNO become the stable part of any trading pair.  I talked on here with someone the other day who indicated that he / she day trades and uses UNO as their stable value holder when they want to be out of the other coins. They are well ahead of their time. As others catch on to that stability, as you have aptly pointed out, $UNO will begin to rise geometrically.

I think that often in the cryptosphere, the atmosphere is adversarial. There's plenty of room for many good cryptos that perform different functions. I used to think that BTC was gold, LTC silver and PPC copper. However, with the inflation of those coins, one might as well keep his / her money in fiat.  However, $UNO is a completely different story...an awesome story!

But, that being said, I'm trying to discover other great "stories" as well...

BTW, may I have your permission to reuse that golden turtle? It kicks a$$!

Looks interesting. I'll have to look at the details...

I think uno market once it's over the latest wave of profittakers it'll do very good rise again and actually keep holding the value good. (if no bigger pumpgroups fucks up any possible TA later, lol). Already regret to not have bought more on the brief dip to the 6s last week.
Since i did good research in it i kind of realised i had to take a decent position in it too because there isn't much competition to it and at the same time it is a HUGE coin. To just copy it won't be enough actually. It's in a very unique position. To copy it won't be easy. The low volaility in itself is worth a lot more. All this shit isn't even priced in yet.
I do agree on uno being an important pillow in crypto in the future cryptoeconomy. It could potentially become bigger than LTC or even overtake its function (crossed out doesn't happen because of coinsupply - litecoin will not be challanged by uno in its position to trade against shitcoins) in the greater ecosystem before actually go for the thrown of the bitcoin. It'll be some way to go but i'll make sure to at least hold a few once we get there (got 5% to 20% of my holdings alocated to holding with no exit just in case the unthinkable happens and uno does actually take over litecoin - once it does that it'll take bitcoin very fast. I'll keep holding some coins for that and i believe others in the community are aswell what makes the coin even more potent.)
Even if Uno does not overtake bitcoin it will still be a REAL ALTERNATIVE for people to choose from in the future. So i think people who don't want to mess with all the risky and messy altcoins will go or be actually advised to choose: BTC, LTC, PPC, UNO  - to stick to that to not have to deal with all this altcoin mess.

https://twitter.com/UNOBTANIUMman/status/521186519114342400


bottom line: i forgot what i even wanted to say ...
ah yeah, golden turtle is for you. I knew you would like it  ;)
Got it from google - they have even more  :)


other coins to hold value could be nxt clones with better initial distribution if you like the java-shit (i don't) but inflation-wise nxt is very good too. But not exactly nxt because the fundamentals suck. NXT fucked itself up with the initial distribution. Would it have been more thoughtful it could have grown 3 times bigger already. (just my view on things)

If you want to go all hitman on the inflation i'd really stick to nxt-clones and Uno ... but Uno is less risk and also more potential still. I think Uno is very golden to buy or hold right now. I don't see other coins with this potential right now at this point in time tbh.

maybe zetacoin (once sorted out) and quark are nice too for diversifying a little...

update on this one: now 2000$ 24h volume

things change quickly around here.

Ermiscoin

This has just been started and has been built as a coin for investors and not a pump and dump which is something I like to see for a change.

It's very early days but I like the Ermis team and they have good plans and know what they are talking about! They communicate well too.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822443.0


See what you think. My opinion is steady growth rather than skyrocketing and then plummeting

You are really trying to shill UNO here? This is not even 1% of Dogecoin's volume and less than 0.1% of LTC's volume.

Uno an important pillow? bigger than Ltc? going for Bitcoin ??  :D :D
They don't even compete. Unobtanium is a 3rd tier Altcoin ranked 44th somewhere between Ixcoin and Monacoin. Momentum and trading volume are almost absent, hence the price is very stable. Furthermore the arguments that were brought up why it should rise are "vague" at best.

Take a look at Neoscoin. My opinion is that it just can't go down from here.

I think we need to focus on the quality of the dev and his plans, specifically on his past actions and whether he was honest about his goals and ideas instead of giving way to every pump and dump in the scene.

In that regard, I think no one is better to qualify for the trust of the community and potential to do something real than Rofo, AKA Jason Curby who is the developer of Noblecoin and NobleNXT, currently both active here in the forums.

NOXT ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.0;all

Devcoin. It's price was something like next to zero a year ago and and today it still worth something next to zero :). Incredibly good store of value :).

LMAO, that's a great point!

This post was from the DNotes thread Sept. 20, 2014:

Someone on Crypto Moms asked for an update on the most profitable coins.  From another thread, I had lists of the top 12 altcoins on Feb. 24, June 4, and today Sept. 20.  Here's what I found out:

The following is a list of every coin that was in the top 12 on Coinmarketcap on the following dates:  Feb. 24, June 4, and Sept. 20.  I've included DNotes in this list to show what you would have today if you had invested $100 in each of these coins 6 months ago.  Maidsafe, BitSharesX, BitcoinDark, and Monero are in one of the top 12 lists, but don't have a long enough track record to include them.

DNotes           $1341.88
Darkcoin            438.17
BlackCoin           122.02
Bitcoin                76.03
Counterparty        68.77
Quark                  67.88
Nxt                     67.69
Mastercoin           60.76
Peercoin              53.16
Ripple                 38.96
BitShares-PTS      38.76
Namecoin            38.28
Dogecoin             35.29
Litecoin               28.89
Primecoin            24.61
Sexcoin               19.06
Freicoin                7.70
Auroracoin              .27

I haven't check the other coins, but I do know that DNotes is up another 102% since Sept. 20.

Monero does not hold value at the moment. Might be in the future.

Neoscoin hold a great value/Roi atm, there 4k sat for 3 million coins.

But big updates comming later today :D , were they fixed a lot and upgraded many things.

You should at least read ther forum (all 3)

I'm sorry to have to say this, but Neoscoin didn't hold it's value very well...

If you bought $100 worth of Neoscoin at the beginning of September, you would have about $9.50 today. 

I'd be really interested, in your view, what you think happened in the initial Nxt distribution? You seem to think the distribution was somehow planned and have an odd definition of fundamentals.

Thats happened to me. Well not in that hard way but I invested 1 btc and lost 0.5 btc.
I truely believed in this coin after I saw the first increase. Later I was hoping the actual fall was just a small one. I was wrong and went out after scratching my mark of 0.5 btc.
Anyway if we see bitoin is gaining again, we probably see also gaining alts again.

Aero for me! Lots going on behind the scenes atm and will come fruition very soon!

The top 3

As determined where / by what?

merged mined low infla coins like IOC and IXC do hold their value nicely too despite low interest in it.

Take a look at Saffroncoin.
Price is so low right now. It can only rise .
Dev always delivers. (check the thread ) (not moderated since begining)
SFRDirect will be released soon (in the matter of days (at max) ). Decentralized Exchange.
It is shortterm investition. But it is one of the best investment oportunities right now.
 

High POS coins have such small market capital that the market price says NOTHING about the price at which you can sell higher amounts.

He probably means the top 3 on coinmarketcap, but that includes litecoin which has crashed to less than a tenth of it's value from a year ago.

Well it certainly holds a whole lot more value than most of the altcoins being mentioned here.

EXCL only raised never gone down

ShadowCash (SDC), Lite Wallet, HTML5 Wallet, Android&Ios Wallet, EM messaging (good looking), and now ... Full anon transactions  :)

https://github.com/SDCDev/shadowcoin/commit/94bfb03903d5fadfc7e975fa0ace749187279703 little commit for anon  :)

bump for a solution to bitcoins problem

You may be interested in the Federal Reserve of WIP and its new coin, WIP which was announced today. 

This is a Federal Reserve system by fiat.  Therefore, it is subject to very different economics from the vagaries of a crypto currency.

We have the following broad goals long-term: maximum employment of the currency, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates.  (Although note that at its introduction of course the parity price is without value.)

In particular note that currencies that are very fixed in their supply are always subject to scarcity in the money supply, i.e. if borrowers can't get their hands on some at a recent price.  This explains part of what makes bitcoin's interest rates so high - but of course, this hurts adoption, and, therefore, ultimately it can possibly hurt price stability.

So in our case we can play with several factors: loan rates; the amount of new currency that we introduce, and through other means.

This means that long-term the Federal Reserve of WIP has a good chance of being able to maintain an extremely stable currency by fiat, with reasonable interest rates.  We will see what happens.

Your public policy input is of course appreciated at all times.  You can also write to the Federal Reserve of WIP at: federalreserveofwip@gmail.com

We hope to hear from you and help shepherd a stable future for WIP.

Best regards:

Chairman,
Federal Reserve of WIP

bitcoin still going down and no good store of value

I agree. Everything is down for now. I think the world is trying to figure out how low the crash will be when it comes.  :-\

Nothing can keep its value, it will only go down from here on out

BitShares with bitUSD.