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December 05, 2014, 11:24:16 PM
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I am interested to hear opinions on which cryptos people think will hold / grow value in the future, and why.

For example, I hold $UNO. It has been an excellent store of value with a very nice trendline. One of it's strongest points is the community as well as the fact that many holders also hold bullion and willingly exchange the two back and forth.


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December 06, 2014, 12:09:51 AM
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i see some uno people are even trolling bitcoin as we speak. Uno is the only coin that makes bitcoin hoarders shit their pants because it does right what bitcoin does wrong (bleeding like a bitch all the time)
Tell me another coin that really can go out and troll bitcoin. There are none.

Bitcoin is no real store of value with its inflation and the well known endresult of constant bleeding. Uno does the store of value thing for you. Bitcoin is just a payment system but not a good store of value (yet or anytime soon).

This is not even exaggerated. It is simply stating the obvious and provable facts (based on past tradehistory and hard, cold numbers).  

Want to hold money in coins for the longterm? Bitcoin or Uno? Uno would be the rational decision for you.

The positive sideeffect of reduced volatility in uno is very much overlooked and underrated too. Once people catch on, Uno is solving a whole array of problems bitcoin has it'll just rise more. And when i say rise i mean RISE!

and the best part of it: it comes without any greedy fuckery from the dev, which is actually my favorite part  Smiley
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December 06, 2014, 12:29:12 AM
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Uno is the only coin that makes bitcoin hoarders shit their pants.
Tell me another coin that really can go out and troll bitcoin.
824$ of UNO traded during the last 24h.
Wow, such liquidity. Many volume.
Very profit.
Amaze
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December 06, 2014, 12:35:42 AM
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Uno is the only coin that makes bitcoin hoarders shit their pants.
Tell me another coin that really can go out and troll bitcoin.
824$ of UNO traded during the last 24h.
Wow, such liquidity. Many volume.
Very profit.
Amaze coin.

volume comes in waves.
periods of lower interest is not a problem for uno because it actually doesn't bleed like most other crypto.
Low tradevolume is no problem because it's hoarded anyways and many people once aquired don't want to trade it a lot.
Markets are relatively liquid (and prices as stable as it gets) right now despite some sellpressure we have been seeing from speculators recently.
Liquidity in the market is not reflected in tradevolume in any case. I have seen shitcoins with very low cap and no buysupport do incredible volume. If fake volume is what it takes for you to be interested i am really sorry for you because uno doesn't do that. You'll have to stick to scamcoins then.
I do not have any concerns i would not be able to find a buyer later. There will be plenty buyers as this coin is discovered for what it really is.
Once that volume is 10k$ on regular basis you will pay considerably more for the single coin. More demand will make it go very high very quickly.
Don't say you haven't been told. Once you see some 30btc or more traded in 24h you'll know the train has left the station and the price is up 5 times or more already. Make no mistake about it.
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December 06, 2014, 12:56:04 AM
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peercoin in my opinion is a excellant store of value, during the btc crash a couple of weeks ago while BTC was falling PPC held it's value
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December 06, 2014, 01:02:23 AM
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peercoin in my opinion is a excellant store of value, during the btc crash a couple of weeks ago while BTC was falling PPC held it's value

i thought the supply was infinite? (no hard cap)

look here:
https://bitinfocharts.com/ppcoin/

number of blocks multiplied with blockreward mulitplied with 365 (days of the year) gives me out an annual dilution of ppc holdings of 500k in 1 year.
It amounts still to an inflation of 2,5% annually at the moment. Not bad when compared to other coins (4 times better than bitcoin right now) but uno can still beat that many times.

Holdings in ppc are certainly eroded less over time than holdings in btc or ltc, that is true. I do not think the annual 2,5% includes the erotion from pos interest though. The interest you get on holdings (1% or 2% a year?) has to be added to the inflation from mining.
Uno in any case has a lower inflation than ppc has even, which already has a more healthy amount of inflation compared to the rest of the coins. 
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December 06, 2014, 01:07:30 AM
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peercoin in my opinion is a excellant store of value, during the btc crash a couple of weeks ago while BTC was falling PPC held it's value

i thought the supply was infinite? (no hard cap)

look here:
https://bitinfocharts.com/de/ppcoin/

number of blocks multiplied with blockreward mulitplied with 365 (days of the year) gives me out an annual dilution of ppc holdings of 500k in 1 year.
It amounts still to an inflation of 2,5% annually. Not bad when compared to other coins but uno can still beat that many times.

Actually in the future peercoin will be a full POS coin. When this happens the annual 1% inflation will be offset by destroyed transaction fees. Add to that upcoming PPC ATMs and other community initiatives it's fair to assume that if peercoin sees mass adoption it's value would explode. 
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December 06, 2014, 01:20:07 AM
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Actually in the future peercoin will be a full POS coin. When this happens the annual 1% inflation will be offset by destroyed transaction fees. Add to that upcoming PPC ATMs and other community initiatives it's fair to assume that if peercoin sees mass adoption it's value would explode.  

the pos interest is inflation too Wink

ATM's are easy to make. Even franko has one. Not a particular sellingpoint.

Uno will have atms naturally later. There won't be much hype about it (or i don't expect any)

ppc is all nice, already a better choice. If you are concious enough to care about the properties in regards of value preservation of ppc you certainly will like some Uno in your portfolio too.  Wink
Just check out the thread. It's a different world in there (compared to what you get in most other threads). The coin makes a pretty solid impression to me.

(sorry for hijacking your thread Charlie Wink )

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December 06, 2014, 01:35:58 AM
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I believe this particular project, and especially its developer Rofo aka Mr. Jason Curby holds promise:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.0;all

His projects did not participate in the usual 2014 pump and dump game, but still survives and is in fact beginning to thrive with the latest initiative and more.

Thoughts?
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December 06, 2014, 01:55:18 AM
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I believe this particular project, and especially its developer Rofo aka Mr. Jason Curby holds promise:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.0;all

His projects did not participate in the usual 2014 pump and dump game, but still survives and is in fact beginning to thrive with the latest initiative and more.

Thoughts?

i'd need to take a better look. Can't say anything definate from a quick look. It's not even released yet and i can't find the specs effortless. What meets the eye immediately is the low interest in the thread (only 12 pages) Is this the solution to my NOBL holdings going down so much? What was wrong with Nobl V1.0? Let me guess ... inflation?  Wink
Maybe Nobl 2.0 can make it better now.

Uno on the other hand had the solution to a problem which wasn't even identified by most people back when it was released. That's why i think it's first choice: it has been there all the time. The latest trend in alts towards lower inflation is expected and very rational. I'd thought people would never understand why the coins only go down  Wink Thank god some people start to think.  Roll Eyes

Supply and demand make the price. Yes you got that right - both are equally important.

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December 06, 2014, 02:01:20 AM
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I beleive in Gaiacoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807698.920

Great dev. Already delivered good stuff. (app store.... few days ago)
Price is around 500 sat. So it is not big risk.
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December 06, 2014, 02:07:31 AM
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I beleive in Gaiacoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807698.920

Great dev. Already delivered good stuff. (app store.... few days ago)
Price is around 500 sat. So it is not big risk.


5% inflation is what the USD or Euro can do for you too.
not particular good in holding value. Could be worse but it's not good at all.

(is this even a serious longterm project? Only two months old. I'd look at it again 3 months from now - but that's just me)


But maybe a good tip for a quick flip on the coins. Cheers.  Smiley


nah, forget it. Initial distribution with ico. I am not touching it. Dev could have selfbought 90% of the icocoins. No way of knowing that. Sorry to disappoint with my analysis of that coin.  Undecided
It's ultra high risk to me based on the initial distribution. Also makes you wonder why this is below ico price for so long despite dev activity? Maybe we have an undiscovered case here of large selfbuy ico? Not worth speculating on in the eye of the risk of a dev selling 90% of the coins to you AGAIN and once he's through with it he'll be gone and do it AGAIN.
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December 06, 2014, 02:58:08 AM
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ppc is all nice, already a better choice. If you are concious enough to care about the properties in regards of value preservation of ppc you certainly will like some Uno in your portfolio too.  Wink
Just check out the thread. It's a different world in there (compared to what you get in most other threads). The coin makes a pretty solid impression to me.

(sorry for hijacking your thread Charlie Wink )



I've been onboard with PPC since near day one. Took a large position over time and have enjoyed watching it grow in value. Wish I'd sold out a bunch last year when it went to the moon, but oh well, if I find a crypto I like, I'm a HOLDr

@ smalltimer no need to apologize at all, I appreciate your comments and interactions. The reason I started this thread is because there are numerous coin discussions on here, but most are about the latest pump and dump scheme. I'm too old for that crap, I'd like to form a portfolio of crypto that will stand the test of time and appreciate slowly.

That's what's so great about $UNO. The community is diverse, strong, mature, knowledgable, willing to try new things and realize that true growth and value takes time. That's why I've taken a generational wealth-type position in the coin.

With the advent of the DVC trading tool, I believe that we will see UNO become the stable part of any trading pair.  I talked on here with someone the other day who indicated that he / she day trades and uses UNO as their stable value holder when they want to be out of the other coins. They are well ahead of their time. As others catch on to that stability, as you have aptly pointed out, $UNO will begin to rise geometrically.

I think that often in the cryptosphere, the atmosphere is adversarial. There's plenty of room for many good cryptos that perform different functions. I used to think that BTC was gold, LTC silver and PPC copper. However, with the inflation of those coins, one might as well keep his / her money in fiat.  However, $UNO is a completely different story...an awesome story!

But, that being said, I'm trying to discover other great "stories" as well...

BTW, may I have your permission to reuse that golden turtle? It kicks a$$!

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December 06, 2014, 03:09:50 AM
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I beleive in Gaiacoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807698.920

Great dev. Already delivered good stuff. (app store.... few days ago)
Price is around 500 sat. So it is not big risk.

Looks interesting. I'll have to look at the details...

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December 06, 2014, 04:12:58 AM
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ppc is all nice, already a better choice. If you are concious enough to care about the properties in regards of value preservation of ppc you certainly will like some Uno in your portfolio too.  Wink
Just check out the thread. It's a different world in there (compared to what you get in most other threads). The coin makes a pretty solid impression to me.

(sorry for hijacking your thread Charlie Wink )



I've been onboard with PPC since near day one. Took a large position over time and have enjoyed watching it grow in value. Wish I'd sold out a bunch last year when it went to the moon, but oh well, if I find a crypto I like, I'm a HOLDr

@ smalltimer no need to apologize at all, I appreciate your comments and interactions. The reason I started this thread is because there are numerous coin discussions on here, but most are about the latest pump and dump scheme. I'm too old for that crap, I'd like to form a portfolio of crypto that will stand the test of time and appreciate slowly.

That's what's so great about $UNO. The community is diverse, strong, mature, knowledgable, willing to try new things and realize that true growth and value takes time. That's why I've taken a generational wealth-type position in the coin.

With the advent of the DVC trading tool, I believe that we will see UNO become the stable part of any trading pair.  I talked on here with someone the other day who indicated that he / she day trades and uses UNO as their stable value holder when they want to be out of the other coins. They are well ahead of their time. As others catch on to that stability, as you have aptly pointed out, $UNO will begin to rise geometrically.

I think that often in the cryptosphere, the atmosphere is adversarial. There's plenty of room for many good cryptos that perform different functions. I used to think that BTC was gold, LTC silver and PPC copper. However, with the inflation of those coins, one might as well keep his / her money in fiat.  However, $UNO is a completely different story...an awesome story!

But, that being said, I'm trying to discover other great "stories" as well...

BTW, may I have your permission to reuse that golden turtle? It kicks a$$!


I think uno market once it's over the latest wave of profittakers it'll do very good rise again and actually keep holding the value good. (if no bigger pumpgroups fucks up any possible TA later, lol). Already regret to not have bought more on the brief dip to the 6s last week.
Since i did good research in it i kind of realised i had to take a decent position in it too because there isn't much competition to it and at the same time it is a HUGE coin. To just copy it won't be enough actually. It's in a very unique position. To copy it won't be easy. The low volaility in itself is worth a lot more. All this shit isn't even priced in yet.
I do agree on uno being an important pillow in crypto in the future cryptoeconomy. It could potentially become bigger than LTC or even overtake its function (crossed out doesn't happen because of coinsupply - litecoin will not be challanged by uno in its position to trade against shitcoins) in the greater ecosystem before actually go for the thrown of the bitcoin. It'll be some way to go but i'll make sure to at least hold a few once we get there (got 5% to 20% of my holdings alocated to holding with no exit just in case the unthinkable happens and uno does actually take over litecoin - once it does that it'll take bitcoin very fast. I'll keep holding some coins for that and i believe others in the community are aswell what makes the coin even more potent.)
Even if Uno does not overtake bitcoin it will still be a REAL ALTERNATIVE for people to choose from in the future. So i think people who don't want to mess with all the risky and messy altcoins will go or be actually advised to choose: BTC, LTC, PPC, UNO  - to stick to that to not have to deal with all this altcoin mess.

https://twitter.com/UNOBTANIUMman/status/521186519114342400


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ah yeah, golden turtle is for you. I knew you would like it  Wink
Got it from google - they have even more  Smiley


other coins to hold value could be nxt clones with better initial distribution if you like the java-shit (i don't) but inflation-wise nxt is very good too. But not exactly nxt because the fundamentals suck. NXT fucked itself up with the initial distribution. Would it have been more thoughtful it could have grown 3 times bigger already. (just my view on things)

If you want to go all hitman on the inflation i'd really stick to nxt-clones and Uno ... but Uno is less risk and also more potential still. I think Uno is very golden to buy or hold right now. I don't see other coins with this potential right now at this point in time tbh.

maybe zetacoin (once sorted out) and quark are nice too for diversifying a little...
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December 06, 2014, 06:05:16 AM
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Uno is the only coin that makes bitcoin hoarders shit their pants.
Tell me another coin that really can go out and troll bitcoin.
824$ of UNO traded during the last 24h.
Wow, such liquidity. Many volume.
Very profit.
Amaze

update on this one: now 2000$ 24h volume

things change quickly around here.
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December 06, 2014, 11:23:10 AM
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Ermiscoin

This has just been started and has been built as a coin for investors and not a pump and dump which is something I like to see for a change.

It's very early days but I like the Ermis team and they have good plans and know what they are talking about! They communicate well too.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822443.0


See what you think. My opinion is steady growth rather than skyrocketing and then plummeting

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December 06, 2014, 11:45:10 AM
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update on this one: now 2000$ 24h volume

things change quickly around here.
You are really trying to shill UNO here? This is not even 1% of Dogecoin's volume and less than 0.1% of LTC's volume.

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I do agree on uno being an important pillow in crypto in the future cryptoeconomy. It could potentially become bigger than LTC.(...) in the greater ecosystem before actually go for the thrown of the bitcoin
Uno an important pillow? bigger than Ltc? going for Bitcoin ??  Cheesy Cheesy
They don't even compete. Unobtanium is a 3rd tier Altcoin ranked 44th somewhere between Ixcoin and Monacoin. Momentum and trading volume are almost absent, hence the price is very stable. Furthermore the arguments that were brought up why it should rise are "vague" at best.
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December 06, 2014, 01:28:19 PM
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Take a look at Neoscoin. My opinion is that it just can't go down from here.

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December 06, 2014, 02:49:25 PM
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update on this one: now 2000$ 24h volume

things change quickly around here.
You are really trying to shill UNO here? This is not even 1% of Dogecoin's volume and less than 0.1% of LTC's volume.

I shill for no one. As I stated earlier, I believe $UNO will be a core holding for the next ten to twenty years. Low volume is not a detractor as I am not trading $UNO, but accumulating it. $UNO is running a marathon, not a sprint. There are new buyers everyday that have been pumped and dumped by other cryptos and are now looking for something legitimate for the future.

The in-house trading programme is expanding into specialized NXT assets that transfer between trusted trades. Check it out: tinyurl.com/UNO-EX

Further, there are national chapters of callable bullion being established that will add value.

I see that you are a Shibe. That's great. I hold DOGE as well. It's a fun coin for what it does. It has it's place in the crypto world with a very marketing plan. I love to watch the all of the comments and the tipping features are great. People like it.

For me, I'm just trying to identify coins, old or new, that people may be missing.  Frankly, a lot of the cyrpto market is looking for instant gratification. The world has operated this way as well and that's why were on the verge of another global financial callamity.  When the dust clears, crypto will play a far larger role. What cryptos will take on the role remain to be seen. It won't be 500 of them...

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