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Title: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: Nemo1024 on December 07, 2014, 02:23:38 PM A friend pointed me to this article, as a fair warning:
Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic http://www.zengardner.com/education-programming-101-destroy-logic/ Quote In our teaching institutions, you could look in vain to find courses on the individual, his freedom, his power. That’s gone. It’s no accident that serious training in logic is also gone. And by serious, I mean the application of logic to formal arguments on issues that determine our future. In many cases, instead, education is about: what group do you belong to? What are the needs of that group? Who is oppressing your group? How can you get government to solve the problem? If you can educate the young to make snap judgements about core ideas, you eliminate their capacity to reason. You own them. EDIT: Adding to the OP. A must-read for anyone reading MSM. Dissecting the Media - The Words They Use, The Minds They Sway http://oursolaris.blogspot.nl/2015/02/dissecting-media-words-they-use-minds.html A must-know list of logical fallacies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: TECSHARE on December 10, 2014, 12:56:04 AM This is exactly what Common Core is. It is designed to confuse children's ability for critical thought and logic by teaching them nonsense is ok "as long as you can explain it". This is extremely apparent in the common core math program. It is bringing children to tears all over this country trying to make sense of something that CAN NOT MAKE SENSE. This is just conditioning our children to regurgitate what they are told without a thought EVEN MORE than they already do. This is about the destruction of individual logic and will to transform it into a form of nonsensical groupthink. I am terrified for this country's future generations, they don't have a chance.
Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: Spendulus on December 10, 2014, 01:48:30 AM A friend pointed me to this article, as a fair warning: This is why the subject of AGW/Global Warming is quite interesting to me. It is an arena where people jump in and find their thinking is totally illogical - because they have been trained in illogic. It is literally an area where the illogic of PhD or above level schoolmarms can be refuted with 8th grade math.Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic http://www.zengardner.com/education-programming-101-destroy-logic/ Quote In our teaching institutions, you could look in vain to find courses on the individual, his freedom, his power. That’s gone. It’s no accident that serious training in logic is also gone. And by serious, I mean the application of logic to formal arguments on issues that determine our future. In many cases, instead, education is about: what group do you belong to? What are the needs of that group? Who is oppressing your group? How can you get government to solve the problem? If you can educate the young to make snap judgements about core ideas, you eliminate their capacity to reason. You own them. This is exactly what Common Core is. It is designed to confuse children's ability for critical thought and logic by teaching them nonsense is ok "as long as you can explain it". This is extremely apparent in the common core math program. It is bringing children to tears all over this country trying to make sense of something that CAN NOT MAKE SENSE. This is just conditioning our children to regurgitate what they are told without a thought EVEN MORE than they already do. This is about the destruction of individual logic and will to transform it into a form of nonsensical groupthink. I am terrified for this country's future generations, they don't have a chance. The refutation to your argument and concern is the Internet, and what we can make of it. But yes, "learning" has moved to on line forums, and doubtful it will move back into schools. Why exactly do we need them?Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: koshgel on December 10, 2014, 02:46:19 AM Logic and critical thinking are the core of education and actual understanding. The current system does not facilitate this method of thinking though. No wonder US students are not up to standard when compared to other countries.
Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: pattu1 on December 10, 2014, 12:13:34 PM Logic and critical thinking are applicable and essential to all aspects of life.
It doesn't matter what you do, it helps if you are a logical thinker. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: TECSHARE on December 10, 2014, 01:14:49 PM A friend pointed me to this article, as a fair warning: This is why the subject of AGW/Global Warming is quite interesting to me. It is an arena where people jump in and find their thinking is totally illogical - because they have been trained in illogic. It is literally an area where the illogic of PhD or above level schoolmarms can be refuted with 8th grade math.Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic http://www.zengardner.com/education-programming-101-destroy-logic/ Quote In our teaching institutions, you could look in vain to find courses on the individual, his freedom, his power. That’s gone. It’s no accident that serious training in logic is also gone. And by serious, I mean the application of logic to formal arguments on issues that determine our future. In many cases, instead, education is about: what group do you belong to? What are the needs of that group? Who is oppressing your group? How can you get government to solve the problem? If you can educate the young to make snap judgements about core ideas, you eliminate their capacity to reason. You own them. This is exactly what Common Core is. It is designed to confuse children's ability for critical thought and logic by teaching them nonsense is ok "as long as you can explain it". This is extremely apparent in the common core math program. It is bringing children to tears all over this country trying to make sense of something that CAN NOT MAKE SENSE. This is just conditioning our children to regurgitate what they are told without a thought EVEN MORE than they already do. This is about the destruction of individual logic and will to transform it into a form of nonsensical groupthink. I am terrified for this country's future generations, they don't have a chance. The refutation to your argument and concern is the Internet, and what we can make of it. But yes, "learning" has moved to on line forums, and doubtful it will move back into schools. Why exactly do we need them?Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: Elwar on December 10, 2014, 01:18:10 PM Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: oprahwindfury on December 15, 2014, 07:42:59 AM Teaching and the education system has been de-railed. Schools don't teach for the sake of teaching anymore, they teach kids to take pointless standardized tests that basically have nothing to do with what their jobs entail in the real world. I would know because what I do at my job now has nothing to do with what standardized tests have taught me.
Critically thinking is put to the wayside in school nowadays. How do you expect children to think for themselves when all they learn are a series of regimented classes and practice sessions with little or no wiggle room for creativity. I can't even begin to describe the woeful absence of financial advice I'd never received from school. Why are no "doing your taxes" classes offered when it is a fact of life for every single person in the U.S.? I could go on and on and on about the series misteps in the U.S. educational system but I am depressing myself thinking about it. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: EternalWingsofGod on December 15, 2014, 07:50:59 AM This is exactly what Common Core is. It is designed to confuse children's ability for critical thought and logic by teaching them nonsense is ok "as long as you can explain it". This is extremely apparent in the common core math program. It is bringing children to tears all over this country trying to make sense of something that CAN NOT MAKE SENSE. This is just conditioning our children to regurgitate what they are told without a thought EVEN MORE than they already do. This is about the destruction of individual logic and will to transform it into a form of nonsensical groupthink. I am terrified for this country's future generations, they don't have a chance. I'm not a fan of the common core myself the argument for it is that it helps them become computer programmers which makes me go ... well I didn't need it and my tech level is high lol. Besides i'm a personal fan of the little orange building blocks to learn math because when I'm in the store and I want to divide costs by gram i'm not going to go 1 + 2 is 5 etc when solving the problem. Anyways I'm with the article that more critical thinking and applications need to be put into the cirruculum question is what to take out or upgrade in its place. That and Finance ... to many people don't know how to budget / invest lol. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: Spendulus on December 15, 2014, 03:31:47 PM A friend pointed me to this article, as a fair warning: This is why the subject of AGW/Global Warming is quite interesting to me. It is an arena where people jump in and find their thinking is totally illogical - because they have been trained in illogic. It is literally an area where the illogic of PhD or above level schoolmarms can be refuted with 8th grade math.Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic http://www.zengardner.com/education-programming-101-destroy-logic/ Quote In our teaching institutions, you could look in vain to find courses on the individual, his freedom, his power. That’s gone. It’s no accident that serious training in logic is also gone. And by serious, I mean the application of logic to formal arguments on issues that determine our future. In many cases, instead, education is about: what group do you belong to? What are the needs of that group? Who is oppressing your group? How can you get government to solve the problem? If you can educate the young to make snap judgements about core ideas, you eliminate their capacity to reason. You own them. This is exactly what Common Core is. It is designed to confuse children's ability for critical thought and logic by teaching them nonsense is ok "as long as you can explain it". This is extremely apparent in the common core math program. It is bringing children to tears all over this country trying to make sense of something that CAN NOT MAKE SENSE. This is just conditioning our children to regurgitate what they are told without a thought EVEN MORE than they already do. This is about the destruction of individual logic and will to transform it into a form of nonsensical groupthink. I am terrified for this country's future generations, they don't have a chance. The refutation to your argument and concern is the Internet, and what we can make of it. But yes, "learning" has moved to on line forums, and doubtful it will move back into schools. Why exactly do we need them?Note bolded above. I did not ascribe teaching to the internet. The phrase used was "the internet and what we can make of it." Now why exactly do we need schools? Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: donseptico on December 17, 2014, 12:50:52 AM The internet provides a communications platform where teaching is a possible activity. Note bolded above. I did not ascribe teaching to the internet. The phrase used was "the internet and what we can make of it." Now why exactly do we need schools? Trite answer - to give teachers jobs... Not quite so trite answer - to teach the basic skills necessary to enable the student to learn (e.g. reading, source evaluation, etc) to enable self led learning (from the internet or elsewhere) - although you could argue this /could/ be done in the home, although not everyone has the time, inclination, ability to do so... One other part answer, not all students can simply learn by reading about something - the internet, good as it is, doesn't accommodate kinaesthetic learners, for example. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: Nemo1024 on February 28, 2015, 09:16:35 PM A must-read for anyone reading MSM.
Dissecting the Media - The Words They Use, The Minds They Sway http://oursolaris.blogspot.nl/2015/02/dissecting-media-words-they-use-minds.html Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: BitMos on February 28, 2015, 09:17:52 PM A must-read for anyone reading MSM. Dissecting the Media - The Words They Use, The Minds They Sway http://oursolaris.blogspot.nl/2015/02/dissecting-media-words-they-use-minds.html create your own word: wordmaking ;) it's funnier and they can't do anything against. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: calfries on February 28, 2015, 09:57:52 PM A friend pointed me to this article, as a fair warning: This is why the subject of AGW/Global Warming is quite interesting to me. It is an arena where people jump in and find their thinking is totally illogical - because they have been trained in illogic. It is literally an area where the illogic of PhD or above level schoolmarms can be refuted with 8th grade math.Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic http://www.zengardner.com/education-programming-101-destroy-logic/ Quote In our teaching institutions, you could look in vain to find courses on the individual, his freedom, his power. That’s gone. It’s no accident that serious training in logic is also gone. And by serious, I mean the application of logic to formal arguments on issues that determine our future. In many cases, instead, education is about: what group do you belong to? What are the needs of that group? Who is oppressing your group? How can you get government to solve the problem? If you can educate the young to make snap judgements about core ideas, you eliminate their capacity to reason. You own them. This is exactly what Common Core is. It is designed to confuse children's ability for critical thought and logic by teaching them nonsense is ok "as long as you can explain it". This is extremely apparent in the common core math program. It is bringing children to tears all over this country trying to make sense of something that CAN NOT MAKE SENSE. This is just conditioning our children to regurgitate what they are told without a thought EVEN MORE than they already do. This is about the destruction of individual logic and will to transform it into a form of nonsensical groupthink. I am terrified for this country's future generations, they don't have a chance. The refutation to your argument and concern is the Internet, and what we can make of it. But yes, "learning" has moved to on line forums, and doubtful it will move back into schools. Why exactly do we need them?Note bolded above. I did not ascribe teaching to the internet. The phrase used was "the internet and what we can make of it." Now why exactly do we need schools? Apparently, schools are required to duplicate the society we live in? However, that is not what is happening at all! Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: tee-rex on February 28, 2015, 10:48:50 PM This is exactly what Common Core is. It is designed to confuse children's ability for critical thought and logic by teaching them nonsense is ok "as long as you can explain it". This is extremely apparent in the common core math program. It is bringing children to tears all over this country trying to make sense of something that CAN NOT MAKE SENSE. This is just conditioning our children to regurgitate what they are told without a thought EVEN MORE than they already do. This is about the destruction of individual logic and will to transform it into a form of nonsensical groupthink. I am terrified for this country's future generations, they don't have a chance. The refutation to your argument and concern is the Internet, and what we can make of it. But yes, "learning" has moved to on line forums, and doubtful it will move back into schools. Why exactly do we need them?I beg to differ, someone wants to engage? Schools take up where forums give up. Before all I mean acquiring social skills and learning behavior patterns through "live" communication with fellow boys and girls, which forums are so conspicuously devoid of. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: Spendulus on March 02, 2015, 06:34:33 PM This is exactly what Common Core is. It is designed to confuse children's ability for critical thought and logic by teaching them nonsense is ok "as long as you can explain it". This is extremely apparent in the common core math program. It is bringing children to tears all over this country trying to make sense of something that CAN NOT MAKE SENSE. This is just conditioning our children to regurgitate what they are told without a thought EVEN MORE than they already do. This is about the destruction of individual logic and will to transform it into a form of nonsensical groupthink. I am terrified for this country's future generations, they don't have a chance. The refutation to your argument and concern is the Internet, and what we can make of it. But yes, "learning" has moved to on line forums, and doubtful it will move back into schools. Why exactly do we need them?I beg to differ, someone wants to engage? Schools take up where forums give up. Before all I mean acquiring social skills and learning behavior patterns through "live" communication with fellow boys and girls, which forums are so conspicuously devoid of. NO. Look at history. Social skills and behavior pattern learning existed long before "schools". Schools were created to teach reading, writing and arithmetic, plus some advanced subjects. Later, it is usually ascribed to Dewey in the 1920s, schools started to be perverted to emphasize "teaching of social skills." No, you don't need schools to learn social skills. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: thejaytiesto on March 02, 2015, 06:45:59 PM You can be self-taught thanks to the internet these days. The internet is a great tool, it all depends in how you use it.
Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: tvbcof on March 02, 2015, 06:49:55 PM I looked at the some of the youtube vids of common core approved math for early education. The very first thing which popped out was that the basic concept at that early phase is that math becomes exponentially more difficult as numbers get bigger. Combine this (false) message with what is clearly psychological torture given many kid's reactions (and just as importantly from a system design point of view, the reaction of the parents) and I can pretty much promise a cohort of 'citizens' who will be enumerate and terrified of math and willing to do anything to stay away from it. Especially, just accept what the 'consensus' of 'smart' people tell them is to be believed. As always, I tend to not write off these things to accident. There is every possibility that this is a deliberate design. With centralized planning at the national and international level, it would be possible for a fairly small group of designers and policy makers to achieve and effect which impacts a large majority of the population in things like this. It's hard not to look at the structure of the common core project and not recognize this. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: bitgeek on March 02, 2015, 07:22:19 PM There's so much irrelevant crap taught at schools these days and the really important studies like history, physics or biology are neglected. The time is allocated elsewhere. Into religion, ethics and gender studies.
I talked to an older university professor not long ago and according to him kids that apply are getting dumber and dumber each year. Now they have to spend at least half of the first semester to repeat and remind the basics they should've been taught at high school. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: Nemo1024 on March 02, 2015, 10:03:46 PM There's so much irrelevant crap taught at schools these days and the really important studies like history, physics or biology are neglected. The time is allocated elsewhere. Into religion, ethics and gender studies. I talked to an older university professor not long ago and according to him kids that apply are getting dumber and dumber each year. Now they have to spend at least half of the first semester to repeat and remind the basics they should've been taught at high school. Yes, true. The first semester at University of Oslo you study for Examen Philosophicum and Examen Facultatum, basically learning what you should have learnt at school. And on applied science you are taught math - because school program of math studies had been dumbed down. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: Wilikon on March 03, 2015, 01:17:12 AM This is exactly what Common Core is. It is designed to confuse children's ability for critical thought and logic by teaching them nonsense is ok "as long as you can explain it". This is extremely apparent in the common core math program. It is bringing children to tears all over this country trying to make sense of something that CAN NOT MAKE SENSE. This is just conditioning our children to regurgitate what they are told without a thought EVEN MORE than they already do. This is about the destruction of individual logic and will to transform it into a form of nonsensical groupthink. I am terrified for this country's future generations, they don't have a chance. Dear Common Core creators, you have pissed off my wife. The 9yo had to deal with this tonight. https://i.imgur.com/vR7gNEe.png https://instagram.com/p/tl-wXXnggs/?=undefined&_suid=141218215911107686663239728659 How to Add, According to Common Core https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc3Pv5Q_AdA How to Subtract, According to Common Core https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7o08jqJhew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS2aEfbEi7s Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: Wilikon on March 03, 2015, 01:22:22 AM Teachers Union Boss To Common Core Opponents: “I’m Going To Punch You In The Face And Push You In The Dirt”… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToNEs-C9HCU ---------------------------------- For the children... Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: tee-rex on March 03, 2015, 09:31:22 PM I beg to differ, someone wants to engage? Schools take up where forums give up. Before all I mean acquiring social skills and learning behavior patterns through "live" communication with fellow boys and girls, which forums are so conspicuously devoid of. NO. Look at history. Social skills and behavior pattern learning existed long before "schools". Schools were created to teach reading, writing and arithmetic, plus some advanced subjects. Later, it is usually ascribed to Dewey in the 1920s, schools started to be perverted to emphasize "teaching of social skills." No, you don't need schools to learn social skills. You forget to consider all the relevant facts when you offer me to look at history. Yes, social skills and behavior pattern learning had existed long before schools appeared, but you are obviously losing sight of social changes that make your suggestion not applicable here. There had been no online forums, no HoMM and no Half Life back then. Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: bitgeek on March 04, 2015, 07:29:45 PM Damn I've never heard of "common core" and never had it at school. This whole calculation is such a waste of time. What's the point of teaching this crap?
What happened to the good old column method? Title: Re: Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic Post by: tvbcof on March 04, 2015, 08:50:15 PM Damn I've never heard of "common core" and never had it at school. This whole calculation is such a waste of time. What's the point of teaching this crap? What happened to the good old column method? The spiel is that it gives kids an 'intuitive' sense for math and numbers. On the ground experience seems to indicate that it terrorizes a lot of them and causes psychological issues. I would have been fine with this common core stuff personally as a kid and would have gotten a kick out of it, but I tended to be at or near the top of my class in grade school when it came to math and science stuff, and even as a kid I was unusually drawn to orthogonal things. As it happened I learned math the old way (though we had abacuses to screw around with which I loved) and I was fine with that also. I never really did lean my times tables though. Oh well...it didn't stop me from getting through differential equations. Even Wilikon's 'subtraction by adding' thing is tame compared to the absolute idiocy of drawing out a zillion little circles and shit. I am quite confident that some of those lesson plans and schemes were drafted by people with actual malice who simply do not want the population to be numerate. Most enviros themselves are pretty innumerate and there is a great utility to this. They'll buy any bullshit story about a 'consensus of scientist' saying any damn thing. If one does not reject the hypothesis (or 'conspiracy theory') that the goal of primary education is as much to keep kids from learning very much as it is to teach them things, then the mysterious failures of our education system here in the U.S., where we spend a relatively huge amount of money compared to other nations, then the hypothesis actually has a fair amount of explanatory power. One of the defining things about 'common core' seems to be to cut parents and even teachers themselves out of the loop when it comes to education and have corporations take over with material approved by a central politburo type structure and corporations doing massive data mining and analysis for who knows what purpose. |
