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Title: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 09, 2014, 04:37:52 PM
    With Reversecoin, you can create two different kinds of accounts: Standard Accounts and Vault Accounts. Standard accounts behave very much like your Bitcoin accounts and allow you to send and receive money for daily purposes. Vault accounts behave much like you bank savings account, where you can deposit large amount of coins and keep them safe from hackers. Each vault account has a configurable timeout and is backed by two key pairs, one online and one offline. You only need online keypair to transfer coins from vault. When you transfer your coins using online keypair, your transactions get confirmed after they live in blockchain for the timeout period.

      If someone steals your online key pair and transfers coins to them, the transactions will have to wait in block chain for the timeout period. During which, you can use your offline key pair and reverse those transactions and restore your coins to your other address. You can also use your offline key pair for immediate transfer of coins in your Vault, instead of waiting for timeout period. In a sentence, Vault account has the ease of use of hot wallets (online account) and security of cold wallets (offline accounts). We are also working on a monitoring service, to send you real-time alerts, when your coins are transferred from your addresses. To know more about Reversecoin, read our white paper or even better checkout our website to play with the code, to see for yourself how Reversecoin works.

White Paper :
https://docs.google.com/a/reversecoin.org/document/d/1hMCkEQUYm9oFCQpxtIWFqVpt66pTQn1zCDW8WX0b7hw/edit

Website :
http://www.reversecoin.org/

Here is visual representation of reverse transactions :

http://www.reversecoin.org/images/reversecoin.jpg


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: KeyserSozeMC on December 09, 2014, 04:38:22 PM
Reverse transactions? :O

Reading!

EDIT: Done reading.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hMCkEQUYm9oFCQpxtIWFqVpt66pTQn1zCDW8WX0b7hw/edit

Seriously? All you talk about is about Bitcoin's network function and almost the same text you have in the OP.
You should make a better presentation, if you'd like people to take you seriously.

Wish you good luck although, this could become big in the future, if it's legit.


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: ocminer on December 09, 2014, 04:39:05 PM
lol


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: qun_sha on December 09, 2014, 04:41:25 PM
Reversible is bad idea,really


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: KeyserSozeMC on December 09, 2014, 04:44:21 PM
Reversible is bad idea,really
It's a bad idea when you don't read the OP :P


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: brian_nguyen on December 09, 2014, 04:44:30 PM
Why would anyone want to accept your coin?


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: DougB62 on December 09, 2014, 04:44:56 PM
So... chargebacks? Sure, I'll buy that Porshe from you...

Seems like a relatively bad idea overall. I guess we'll see though.



Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 09, 2014, 06:25:36 PM
Thanks for comments. Let me explain why Reversecoin is useful.
With Bitcoin and other crypto-currencies, once a transaction enters the blockchain, it can not be reversed. When a hacker gets access to account, all the coins are gone! Reversecoin has two kinds of accounts. Normal accounts and Vault accounts. Normal accounts behave the same as Bitcoin accounts. With Vault accounts, once the transaction enters blockchain, it stays in blockchain for in pending state for configurable amount of time (1 hour, 1 day etc ..). If some hacker has stolen your coins, this will be your chance to reverse the transaction and get your coins back. Else, you let the transaction confirm, by letting it wait in blockchain for the timeout period. This is very useful for storing large amount of coins safely online (think of exchanges, online wallets). If something bad happens (and sure it happens, once in while), you have a time machine to undo the bad things. Thats Reversecoin! Think of them like Coinbase Vault accounts, expect they are decentralized and free!.


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: earlz on December 09, 2014, 08:07:19 PM
lololololololol

So, now on top of making people wait for confirmations before a transaction is considered final, there is now the vault-delay time period (which btw is recursive.. So, if you send from vault to A to B to C, C can not consider those coins safe until the vault-delay time is expired)

Yea, this sounds like a terrible non-solution to a problem that can be solved with other existing methods..

To elaborate on other ways to solve this problem:

* nLockTime and a limited access/offline "oracle" transaction generator/signer
* multisig with a centralized (though with 0 access to funds) "key" that only signs a transaction after a time period

I'm sure there's a few other ways as well


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 10, 2014, 12:37:46 AM
lololololololol

So, now on top of making people wait for confirmations before a transaction is considered final, there is now the vault-delay time period (which btw is recursive.. So, if you send from vault to A to B to C, C can not consider those coins safe until the vault-delay time is expired)

Yea, this sounds like a terrible non-solution to a problem that can be solved with other existing methods..

To elaborate on other ways to solve this problem:

* nLockTime and a limited access/offline "oracle" transaction generator/signer
* multisig with a centralized (though with 0 access to funds) "key" that only signs a transaction after a time period

I'm sure there's a few other ways as well

No. It can not happen like that. B can initiate transfer to C only, after the transaction is finalized. Also note that you use Vault accounts like your savings accounts. For securely storing your coins and infrequent withdraws. Not for regular transfers. For that you use the regular accounts, which are like normal Bitcoin accounts.

Secondly, there is no existing solution for this. Once a hacker gets access your private keys, nLockTime and multisig are useless. If you use a centralized entity transactions, you loose the strengths of Bitcoin. Reversecoin enables you to reverse transactions, with out the need of any centralized entity.

Also, here is a visual for better understanding: https://docs.google.com/a/reversecoin.org/file/d/0B3Lz3ptpsGceRkpaNU5NWEZWQmZ1b2tPR1ZrZms1NkdUekow/edit (https://docs.google.com/a/reversecoin.org/file/d/0B3Lz3ptpsGceRkpaNU5NWEZWQmZ1b2tPR1ZrZms1NkdUekow/edit)


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: KeyserSozeMC on December 10, 2014, 12:40:24 AM
lololololololol

So, now on top of making people wait for confirmations before a transaction is considered final, there is now the vault-delay time period (which btw is recursive.. So, if you send from vault to A to B to C, C can not consider those coins safe until the vault-delay time is expired)

Yea, this sounds like a terrible non-solution to a problem that can be solved with other existing methods..

To elaborate on other ways to solve this problem:

* nLockTime and a limited access/offline "oracle" transaction generator/signer
* multisig with a centralized (though with 0 access to funds) "key" that only signs a transaction after a time period

I'm sure there's a few other ways as well

No. It can not happen like that. B can initiate transfer to C only, after the transaction is finalized. Also note that you use Vault accounts like your savings accounts. For securely storing your coins and infrequent withdraws. Not for regular transfers. For that you use the regular accounts, which are like normal Bitcoin accounts.

Secondly, there is no existing solution for this. Once a hacker gets access your private keys, nLockTime and multisig are useless. If you use a centralized entity transactions, you loose the strengths of Bitcoin. Reversecoin enables you to reverse transactions, with out the need of any centralized entity.

Also, here is a visual for better understanding: https://docs.google.com/a/reversecoin.org/file/d/0B3Lz3ptpsGceRkpaNU5NWEZWQmZ1b2tPR1ZrZms1NkdUekow/edit (https://docs.google.com/a/reversecoin.org/file/d/0B3Lz3ptpsGceRkpaNU5NWEZWQmZ1b2tPR1ZrZms1NkdUekow/edit)
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Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: MickGhee on December 10, 2014, 12:41:52 AM
ALL IN


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 10, 2014, 12:48:14 AM
lololololololol

So, now on top of making people wait for confirmations before a transaction is considered final, there is now the vault-delay time period (which btw is recursive.. So, if you send from vault to A to B to C, C can not consider those coins safe until the vault-delay time is expired)

Yea, this sounds like a terrible non-solution to a problem that can be solved with other existing methods..

To elaborate on other ways to solve this problem:

* nLockTime and a limited access/offline "oracle" transaction generator/signer
* multisig with a centralized (though with 0 access to funds) "key" that only signs a transaction after a time period

I'm sure there's a few other ways as well

No. It can not happen like that. B can initiate transfer to C only, after the transaction is finalized. Also note that you use Vault accounts like your savings accounts. For securely storing your coins and infrequent withdraws. Not for regular transfers. For that you use the regular accounts, which are like normal Bitcoin accounts.

Secondly, there is no existing solution for this. Once a hacker gets access your private keys, nLockTime and multisig are useless. If you use a centralized entity transactions, you loose the strengths of Bitcoin. Reversecoin enables you to reverse transactions, with out the need of any centralized entity.

Also, here is a visual for better understanding: https://docs.google.com/a/reversecoin.org/file/d/0B3Lz3ptpsGceRkpaNU5NWEZWQmZ1b2tPR1ZrZms1NkdUekow/edit (https://docs.google.com/a/reversecoin.org/file/d/0B3Lz3ptpsGceRkpaNU5NWEZWQmZ1b2tPR1ZrZms1NkdUekow/edit)
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Here you go: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3Lz3ptpsGceNzFxOFdoaEl3U00/view?usp=sharing Thanks for reporting the issue :)


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: altcoin hitler on December 10, 2014, 02:31:36 AM
haha

to the trashbin with it.


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: escrowman on December 10, 2014, 02:08:48 PM
after dev scam all investors ,reversecoin is already dead .

now ,most of coins be hold by two or three guys ,so i quit . good luck ..


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: LibertyFromBigGov on December 12, 2014, 04:10:47 AM
I think this was an ingenious idea.  If the dev team can accomplish this it could be huge.  Time will tell.  I will monitor this coin and promote it like crazy if they have a successful rollout.


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: cointechno on December 14, 2014, 02:01:35 AM
do you white paper only or is der any code

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Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: Framauro on December 14, 2014, 02:22:42 AM
Algo?? POW and/or pos??


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: Coinmin on December 14, 2014, 03:11:20 AM
It will be something like Webmoney?


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: merry0652 on December 14, 2014, 03:18:31 AM
only a few get hacked no need to reverse theres hardware to protect from hacks


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 14, 2014, 04:54:45 AM
do you white paper only or is der any code

Posted From bitcointalk.org Android App

We have implemented Proof of Concept. Please check out code on our github repo : https://github.com/obulpathi/reversecoin.
We have tutorial also. Please check out on our website : http://www.reversecoin.org/howitworks.html


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 14, 2014, 05:05:54 AM
only a few get hacked no need to reverse theres hardware to protect from hacks

Hardware wallets require human intervention. So,online exchanges and online coin wallets cannot be build using hardware wallets. Reversecoins provide security features to these systems at no cost.


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: tobeaj2mer01 on December 15, 2014, 02:34:56 AM
do you white paper only or is der any code

Posted From bitcointalk.org Android App

We have implemented Proof of Concept. Please check out code on our github repo : https://github.com/obulpathi/reversecoin.
We have tutorial also. Please check out on our website : http://www.reversecoin.org/howitworks.html

When will the wallet come out?


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: silverduck on December 15, 2014, 03:00:32 AM
so this going to be a ico ?


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: cakir on December 15, 2014, 03:06:30 AM
Let's add this topic to watchlist.

If there'll be an ico/ipo nobody will buy it ;D (because of reverse function).

Anyway, it's too soon to make a comment, we need to see it's code etc first...


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 15, 2014, 03:12:42 AM
do you white paper only or is der any code

Posted From bitcointalk.org Android App

We have implemented Proof of Concept. Please check out code on our github repo : https://github.com/obulpathi/reversecoin.
We have tutorial also. Please check out on our website : http://www.reversecoin.org/howitworks.html

When will the wallet come out?

We have command line wallet not GUI wallet. Please check out here : http://www.reversecoin.org/howitworks.html


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: shinkicker on December 15, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
I see an issue here.

First off lets look at the transaction delay in the vault wallet. If the time-frame is for example one hour, this would not be sufficient time for people to discover there private key has been stolen and the funds have been moved else where. Most people check balance around once a day, if that. I check my fiat account maybe once a week, BTC wallet only when I make a transaction. I don't buy stuff everyday.

So lets assume 24 hours then to provide more cover time. Well the problem here is that for any major transactions where you want to be sure you really get your coins, without the other side doing a reverse back, 24 hours would be far to long.

Here all the beauty of bitcoin is lost (fast transaction / confirmations).


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 15, 2014, 11:45:23 PM
I see an issue here.

First off lets look at the transaction delay in the vault wallet. If the time-frame is for example one hour, this would not be sufficient time for people to discover there private key has been stolen and the funds have been moved else where. Most people check balance around once a day, if that. I check my fiat account maybe once a week, BTC wallet only when I make a transaction. I don't buy stuff everyday.

So lets assume 24 hours then to provide more cover time. Well the problem here is that for any major transactions where you want to be sure you really get your coins, without the other side doing a reverse back, 24 hours would be far to long.

Here all the beauty of bitcoin is lost (fast transaction / confirmations).

In reply to your 1st question, we are working on monitor and alert service. This will monitor your vault accounts and notify you via sms, mail or phone call, when transactions are initiated from your vault accounts.

for 2nd question : The purpose of vault accounts is to store large number of coins securely much like a saving account. For day to day transactions you can use normal accounts holding small number of coins.


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 16, 2014, 12:44:38 AM
so this going to be a ico ?

its going to be an ico. check out code here: https://github.com/obulpathi/reversecoin


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: CoinBreader on December 16, 2014, 09:06:55 AM
you offering an ICO ? fix your presentation a little bit, make a decent whitepaper etc


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: thedok on December 16, 2014, 12:57:18 PM
So I can reverse a transaction,  thatll be useful when  ??? Oh yeah, the coin has no use. You so called devs should really put your efforts towards already established coins. It like when they bring a new cann shop out and a new  crypto to suit, they be much better off buying into an established cann coin then adding their service on top. Anyway good luck, I think youll need it


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 17, 2014, 12:21:32 AM
would multi signatures not accomplish the same thing ?

You cannot achieve reverse transactions using multi sig


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on December 17, 2014, 12:33:37 AM
you offering an ICO ? fix your presentation a little bit, make a decent whitepaper etc

We are working on adding some more features once its completed,then we will update the presentation and white paper etc...


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: cisahasa on January 04, 2015, 02:15:09 AM
(gui=no)+(ico premine=yes)=(worth of testing=no)


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: tobeaj2mer01 on January 16, 2015, 07:54:31 AM
Any update?


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: Equate on January 16, 2015, 08:34:31 AM
Command line wallet + ICO + No roadmap = Disaster.


Title: Re: Worlds first crypto-currency with "Reversible Transactions" - Reversecoin
Post by: reversecoin on January 17, 2015, 12:15:38 AM
We are working on some great features for a big release soon!
In this light, we have postponed fundraising! We will update with more news in coming months.