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Title: Simple question of anonymity Post by: CoinRocka on December 14, 2014, 02:52:38 PM This is simply the techie in me but is it not possible to track all block chain transactions using forensics (NSA, CIA..etc)?
Even Darkcoin, Monero, Boolberry and the like make some type of digital footprint on the Internet that is trackable. In my mind, l33t hackers will always be one small step ahead of the NSA and the NSA will always be miles ahead of the general populace. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: sumantso on December 14, 2014, 03:02:23 PM This is simply the techie in me but is it not possible to track all block chain transactions using forensics (NSA, CIA..etc)? Even Darkcoin, Monero, Boolberry and the like make some type of digital footprint on the Internet that is trackable. In my mind, l33t hackers will always be one small step ahead of the NSA and the NSA will always be miles ahead of the general populace. Even TITAN? I can't say whether it suffers from the same flaw you mention, I am not aware of the technical details of each. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: DannyHamilton on December 14, 2014, 03:34:13 PM This is simply the techie in me but is it not possible to track all block chain transactions using forensics (NSA, CIA..etc)? If you are asking about bitcoin, then the answer is yes. Even Darkcoin, Monero, Boolberry and the like make some type of digital footprint on the Internet that is trackable. If you are asking about altcoins, then this belongs in the altcoin sub-forum. In my mind, l33t hackers will always be one small step ahead of the NSA and the NSA will always be miles ahead of the general populace. You are welcome to any opinion on the matter that you like. I suspect that the NSA has hired many elite computer hardware and software experts. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 14, 2014, 03:44:26 PM This is simply the techie in me but is it not possible to track all block chain transactions using forensics (NSA, CIA..etc)? Even Darkcoin, Monero, Boolberry and the like make some type of digital footprint on the Internet that is trackable. In my mind, l33t hackers will always be one small step ahead of the NSA and the NSA will always be miles ahead of the general populace. I don't know enough about the governments abilities to know what the NSA can do and I don't think anyone else here does either. I know it's possible to parse the blockchain and get trails from it that most people wouldn't think possible. I have a simple rule you can follow that makes this problem moot. Don't do anything on-line or buy anything on-line that you wouldn't show your mother and grandmother in church on Sunday Christmas morning. If you must buy drugs or some other illegal item please only use fully anonymous U.S. Dollars. For further security I suggest only purchasing items on a university campus where all items are readily available. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: CoinRocka on December 14, 2014, 03:49:30 PM This is simply the techie in me but is it not possible to track all block chain transactions using forensics (NSA, CIA..etc)? Even Darkcoin, Monero, Boolberry and the like make some type of digital footprint on the Internet that is trackable. In my mind, l33t hackers will always be one small step ahead of the NSA and the NSA will always be miles ahead of the general populace. I don't know enough about the governments abilities to know what the NSA can do and I don't think anyone else here does either. I know it's possible to parse the blockchain and get trails from it that most people wouldn't think possible. I have a simple rule you can follow that makes this problem moot. Don't do anything on-line or buy anything on-line that you wouldn't show your mother and grandmother in church on Sunday Christmas morning. If you must buy drugs or some other illegal item please only use fully anonymous U.S. Dollars. For further security I suggest only purchasing items on a university campus where all items are readily available. if only i knew this back in '98 8) Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 14, 2014, 04:20:25 PM This is simply the techie in me but is it not possible to track all block chain transactions using forensics (NSA, CIA..etc)? Even Darkcoin, Monero, Boolberry and the like make some type of digital footprint on the Internet that is trackable. In my mind, l33t hackers will always be one small step ahead of the NSA and the NSA will always be miles ahead of the general populace. I don't know enough about the governments abilities to know what the NSA can do and I don't think anyone else here does either. I know it's possible to parse the blockchain and get trails from it that most people wouldn't think possible. I have a simple rule you can follow that makes this problem moot. Don't do anything on-line or buy anything on-line that you wouldn't show your mother and grandmother in church on Sunday Christmas morning. If you must buy drugs or some other illegal item please only use fully anonymous U.S. Dollars. For further security I suggest only purchasing items on a university campus where all items are readily available. if only i knew this back in '98 8) The first class I took in college was a no credit one taught in a dorm room. ;) Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: pereira4 on December 14, 2014, 05:52:17 PM You are safe with Bitcoin generally, and you are super safe with Monero. No one is going to go to the lenghts of trying to backtrace Monero transactions unless you are what, fucking bin laden or something.
Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: franky1 on December 14, 2014, 05:55:54 PM well coinrocka
bitcoin never asks for your birthname, home address or social security numbers. so bitcoin is about as anonymous as bank notes. but when people do silly things like putting their bitcoin address in the footnote of their posts EG 1JzEpKnB5ZYJoetBQF85Tjbqp9Fjorhe4v it then becomes searchable to link coinrocka to 1JzEpKnB5ZYJoetBQF85Tjbqp9Fjorhe4v. and then using NSA tools and ISP data, to search internet users who have the pseudonym coinrocka. and thus NSA/ your ISP establishes a link between your real life and a bitcoin address.. bitcoin is only as anonymous as the information PEOPLE stupidly give out on the internet. and even without NSA tools its easy to link coinrocka to other names.. isnt that right bitwhisky Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: cheekychap on December 14, 2014, 06:31:13 PM This is simply the techie in me but is it not possible to track all block chain transactions using forensics (NSA, CIA..etc)? Even Darkcoin, Monero, Boolberry and the like make some type of digital footprint on the Internet that is trackable. In my mind, l33t hackers will always be one small step ahead of the NSA and the NSA will always be miles ahead of the general populace. Yes its possible by traingualting IP address from which the transaction originated. You should look into Darkcoin for complete anonymity. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: DannyHamilton on December 14, 2014, 06:59:27 PM Yes its possible by triangulating I don't think that word means what you think it means. IP address from which the transaction originated. How can you identify which IP address originated the transaction? Do you even know how bitcoin works? You should look into Darkcoin for complete anonymity. Are you certain that Darkcoin will provide complete anonymity? I suspect you are mistaken about that. Complete anonymity is a LOT more difficult than most people realize. As franky1 pointed out, people have a tendency to leak their identity without even thinking about it. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: Lauda on December 14, 2014, 07:15:17 PM Stop merging Bitcoin and altcoin discussions into one.
The anonymity of Bitcoin is not related to the anonymity of altcoins. Yes, Bitcoin transactions can be traced. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: Lethn on December 14, 2014, 07:35:34 PM As others have already said, complete anonymity on the internet is exceptionally difficult, especially if you're dumb enough to post your photo or let people know your voice when you're trying to stay hidden, a classic example is with the ISIS beheadings, even though they were all masked the dumbasses didn't mask their voice, so it was easy to identify that at least one of them is British because of the accent.
There IS a dark wallet for Bitcoin currently in development and it's being worked on by Amir Taaki and Cody Wilson apparently https://www.darkwallet.is/ this will essentially mixup your Bitcoin and make it much harder for people to locate where the transactions have come from but in the end staying anonymous all relies on how smart you are and how much you can think ahead. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: CoinRocka on December 14, 2014, 11:15:57 PM well coinrocka bitcoin never asks for your birthname, home address or social security numbers. so bitcoin is about as anonymous as bank notes. but when people do silly things like putting their bitcoin address in the footnote of their posts EG 1JzEpKnB5ZYJoetBQF85Tjbqp9Fjorhe4v it then becomes searchable to link coinrocka to 1JzEpKnB5ZYJoetBQF85Tjbqp9Fjorhe4v. and then using NSA tools and ISP data, to search internet users who have the pseudonym coinrocka. and thus NSA/ your ISP establishes a link between your real life and a bitcoin address.. bitcoin is only as anonymous as the information PEOPLE stupidly give out on the internet. and even without NSA tools its easy to link coinrocka to other names.. isnt that right bitwhisky Well done! I like this guy... Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 15, 2014, 01:19:30 PM If you really want to know how to defeat the anonymity in Bitcoin here's some light reading for you. Dan Kaminsky was the first one to figure it out in 2011.
http://www.slideshare.net/dakami/black-ops-of-tcpip-2011-black-hat-usa-2011 John Ratcliff can show you how to easily parse the blockchain. http://codesuppository.blogspot.com/2014/01/how-to-parse-bitcoin-blockchain One way to find people is to use Python to connect to bitcoin peer-to-peer clients that connect to a huge amount of the active nodes. You're way ahead of the game if you can find the first node to relay a transaction because that's the source of the transaction. If you want a good idea for how to link the addresses of a Bitcoin user read An Analysis of Anonymity in the Bitcoin System 2011-07-22 by Fergal Reid. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.4524.pdf?origin=publication_detail Another good read on the subject is Bitcoin Theft – The Top Ten Threats | Genesys Guru Blog http://genesysguru.com/blog/blog/2011/06/17/bitcoin-theft-the-top-ten-threats/ Read all of these then think back to: mom, grandma, church Sunday Christmas morning ;) Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: maurya78 on December 15, 2014, 01:25:28 PM QuestionAuthority - these are great links, thank you
I have given up on anonymity - much easier not to have anything to hide ;) Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 15, 2014, 01:31:28 PM QuestionAuthority - these are great links, thank you I have given up on anonymity - much easier not to have anything to hide ;) No problem. All of us have something to hide but it's better to not hide it over an Internet connection. lol Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: NewLiberty on December 15, 2014, 02:46:13 PM QuestionAuthority - these are great links, thank you I have given up on anonymity - much easier not to have anything to hide ;) No problem. All of us have something to hide but it's better to not hide it over an Internet connection. lol For many folks it is not about what they have to "hide", and more what they have to "protect". Even the injured animal mothers know not to lead the predators back to the den of their young. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 15, 2014, 03:05:56 PM QuestionAuthority - these are great links, thank you I have given up on anonymity - much easier not to have anything to hide ;) No problem. All of us have something to hide but it's better to not hide it over an Internet connection. lol For many folks it is not about what they have to "hide", and more what they have to "protect". Even the injured animal mothers know not to lead the predators back to the den of their young. So true. It's sad that humans don't have the intellect of a ground hog. lol Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: Poolie on December 15, 2014, 03:19:47 PM well coinrocka bitcoin never asks for your birthname, home address or social security numbers. so bitcoin is about as anonymous as bank notes. but when people do silly things like putting their bitcoin address in the footnote of their posts EG 1JzEpKnB5ZYJoetBQF85Tjbqp9Fjorhe4v it then becomes searchable to link coinrocka to 1JzEpKnB5ZYJoetBQF85Tjbqp9Fjorhe4v. and then using NSA tools and ISP data, to search internet users who have the pseudonym coinrocka. and thus NSA/ your ISP establishes a link between your real life and a bitcoin address.. bitcoin is only as anonymous as the information PEOPLE stupidly give out on the internet. and even without NSA tools its easy to link coinrocka to other names.. isnt that right bitwhisky I don't think it's fair to call it a stupid action. You could argue that as soon as you have an item shipped to you via bitcoin you've lost your anonymity but some people don't care about being absolute ghosts. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: LiteCoinGuy on December 15, 2014, 03:55:30 PM take a look at Zerocash too:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362468.msg3878992#msg3878992 Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: 687_2 on December 15, 2014, 04:41:08 PM This is simply the techie in me but is it not possible to track all block chain transactions using forensics (NSA, CIA..etc)? Even Darkcoin, Monero, Boolberry and the like make some type of digital footprint on the Internet that is trackable. In my mind, l33t hackers will always be one small step ahead of the NSA and the NSA will always be miles ahead of the general populace. It would be trivialy easy to link almost all BTC transactions to real identities. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: deluxeCITY on December 16, 2014, 02:26:55 AM well coinrocka Well you really only are leaking your identity for that specific address. If you use bitcoin in a way to maximize your privacy (to never reuse an address) then any attacker will not know which address is your change address and which one is going to whereever you are spending your moneybitcoin never asks for your birthname, home address or social security numbers. so bitcoin is about as anonymous as bank notes. but when people do silly things like putting their bitcoin address in the footnote of their posts EG 1JzEpKnB5ZYJoetBQF85Tjbqp9Fjorhe4v it then becomes searchable to link coinrocka to 1JzEpKnB5ZYJoetBQF85Tjbqp9Fjorhe4v. and then using NSA tools and ISP data, to search internet users who have the pseudonym coinrocka. and thus NSA/ your ISP establishes a link between your real life and a bitcoin address.. bitcoin is only as anonymous as the information PEOPLE stupidly give out on the internet. and even without NSA tools its easy to link coinrocka to other names.. isnt that right bitwhisky Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: botany on December 17, 2014, 07:00:36 AM It is pseudonymity, not anonymity which is a feature of Bitcoin.
You have to be real careful not to link any address you use to your real world identity. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: BITMIXER.IO on December 17, 2014, 01:34:56 PM You loose your anonymity on the point of buying real goods, cashout or exchange coins using bank transfer or similar. Also It is possible to track you analysing the way you receive first coins.
After you loose anonymity, all your past and further transactions are very trackable. That is why we open our service. To guard privacy. Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: YinShuiSiYuan on December 18, 2014, 01:44:34 AM This is simply the techie in me but is it not possible to track all block chain transactions using forensics (NSA, CIA..etc)? Even Darkcoin, Monero, Boolberry and the like make some type of digital footprint on the Internet that is trackable. In my mind, l33t hackers will always be one small step ahead of the NSA and the NSA will always be miles ahead of the general populace. I don't know enough about the governments abilities to know what the NSA can do and I don't think anyone else here does either. I know it's possible to parse the blockchain and get trails from it that most people wouldn't think possible. I have a simple rule you can follow that makes this problem moot. Don't do anything on-line or buy anything on-line that you wouldn't show your mother and grandmother in church on Sunday Christmas morning. If you must buy drugs or some other illegal item please only use fully anonymous U.S. Dollars. For further security I suggest only purchasing items on a university campus where all items are readily available. I would only assume that the technology available to the government is only going to increase over time Title: Re: Simple question of anonymity Post by: nauane on December 18, 2014, 12:12:36 PM It is pseudonymity, not anonymity which is a feature of Bitcoin. sorry, I did not understand, how someone would link any address with identity in the real world? what kind of care do you mean? You have to be real careful not to link any address you use to your real world identity. |