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Title: ZOOMHASH Post by: ntsdm on December 18, 2014, 03:11:08 AM this issue is being resolved
Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: dogie on December 20, 2014, 04:34:19 AM anyone that would like to review her account please use teamviewer Can confirm the account is as posted in the OP - maintenance fees = earnings. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 20, 2014, 07:41:16 AM anyone that would like to review her account please use teamviewer Can confirm the account is as posted in the OP - maintenance fees = earnings. As I copied and pasted to his 10+ other threads that he spammed on the forums: Well, I am back after not posting for a while. Anyways our cloud service is real and not a ponzi. We can not increase payouts just because we wanted to. We stopped selling virtual miners about 2 months ago. At the time when we sold these miners 4~6 months ago, they were the best deal on the market. Unfortunately, these miners decrease in value when LTC is at sub $3 and BTC is at ~$315.... We even dropped the price of maintenance fee. The payouts are correct according to the www.clevermining.com/profits. The maintenance fees are paid in BTC at a rate locked in Fiat as agreed upon when you bought the virtual miner. When BTC drops the maintenance fee eats up a bigger portion of your payout. The fee was 0.08USD per MHS and we dropped it to 0.06MHS on our dime. The maintenance fees are actually more than the payouts right now with the crappy markets so instead of the balance going negative we just cancel out the payout on our dime. We never promised anything in regards to how much coin you would earn. No one can and you can not expect us to. The only thing we promised was: 1. Speed of the virtual miner 2. Term of the virtual miner 3. Uptime of the virtual miner 4. Maintenance Fees This is like buying Bitcoin from coinbase at $1000 last year and then calling coinbase a scammer because bitcoin is at ~$315 right now. We delivered everything that we promised to do. EDIT: Clarification points. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 20, 2014, 08:58:59 AM DO NOT TRY TO AVOID THE REASON THIS IS HERE! DO NOT TRY TO POINT YOUR FINGERS AT OTHERS REPLY WITH PROOF THAT YOUR PAYOUT LEDGERS WERE NOT MANIPULATED TO REPRESENT A PERFECT 0 BALANCE FOR 3 DAYS IN A ROW FOR your"83 MH OF SCRYPT MINING NOT SOMEONE EASES OR OTHER PEOPLE YOUR THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO PROVE THAT I AM INCORRECT AND THE ONLY PLAUSIBLE WAY IS WITH THE FULL BLOCK CHAIN READINGS Copying and pasting to the 11+ threads your are spamming: So you are claiming that we are manipulating the ledgers? The reason why we use www.clevermining.com/profits as the pool is so that we can not manipulate the "ledgers" the historical payouts are right here www.clevermining.com/profits Lets go through the calculation. Lets take yesterday for example. According to www.clevermining.com/profits the payout for yesterday was 0.00016 per MHS. You allegedly have 83MHs 83MHS*0.00016= 0.01328BTC Payout The maintenence fees that were agreed upon at the time of the virtual miner purchase was 0.08USD. But on our dime, we dedicided to drop it down to 0.06USD per MHS So 0.06USD*83= $4.98 daily maintenance fee (I know it is high but at the time these were being sold they were the best price on the market. Hindsight is always 20/20). Your net payout formula Payout-Maintenance fee=Net Payout 0.01328BTC-$4.98USD (Converted at 430PST Coinbase price) = -BTC But we will not allow the balance go negative so we cancel the payout on our dime. Of course, you can accuse us of manipulating clevermining.com.... Anyways, if you want to publicly state your email. Please do. We have no intention to keep anything private. EDIT: So the formula is Payout - Maintenance fee = Net Payout Payout= 0.01328BTC Maintenance fee = 0.06*83= $4.98 $4.98 gets converted to bitcoin at 430PM PST time from Coinbase price. Which was around ~312 Therefore, $4.98= 0.01596BTC 0.01328BTC-0.01596BTC= -0.00268BTC Btw if you were to mine with the average electricity cost in the Philippines of 0.4USD per KWH your daily cost can easily be 3x the maintenance fee we charge depending on the hardware you have. So our maintenance fee is not out of line. Regardless, let me know what your account name is so I can see what I can do. If you can prove to me that your are using this to support your family (Which was a very bad decision) I might be able to return something as a one time courtesy. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 20, 2014, 09:08:12 AM DO NOT CONSIDER ANYONE ELSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ACCOUNT OF A FEMALE THAT LIVES IN THE PHILIPPINES AND NONE OTHER, STOP TRYING TO SIDE TRACK EVERYTHING AND PUBLICLY PRODUCE YOUR PAYMENTS AND PAYOUTS BECAUSE IF YOU DONT AGAIN I WILL THEN LETS START DOING THE MATH!!!!! ALSO THERE IS NO APROX OR JUST ABOUT OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE RECORDS OF THIS AND YOUR WITHHOLDING THEM AND I AM ABOUT TO DISCLOSE THEM AND EMBARRASS YOU SO IT WOULD BE IN YOUR BEST OF INTEREST TO SAVE FACE TO STAY ON DISCUSSION DO NOT TAKE INTO EXAMPLE AS WE HAVE A SOLID CASE AND UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THERE ARE SIMPLE APPROXIMATIONS LETS TALK SATOSHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO YOU ARE WELL INFORMED THAT MEANS 0.00000001 = 1 SATOSHI YOUR APPROXIMATION IS PART OF THE REASON WE ARE HERE Can you tell us where our math was wrong. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 20, 2014, 09:11:14 AM SHOW THE MATH AND YOUR ADDRESSES AND ALL WILL BECOME UNDERSTOOD I did a few posts ago. Here it is again: So the formula is Payout - Maintenance fee = Net Payout Payout= 0.01328BTC Maintenance fee = 0.06*83= $4.98 $4.98 gets converted to bitcoin at 430PM PST time from Coinbase price. Which was around ~312 Therefore, $4.98= 0.01596BTC 0.01328BTC-0.01596BTC= -0.00268BTC Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 20, 2014, 09:21:44 AM hand written BS is simply hand written BS show ledgers if you would want to correct this incedent please do her adress is ealmadrones@yahoo.com untill she telles me to stop then i will bring this to the botom and in the open for everyone to see my adress is known by many and i prefer not to discolse it unless judged by 3 party Ok, tell me how the math should work. You have everything you need to calculate the payouts. The historical payouts can be seen here: http://clevermining.com/profits The maintenance fee is 0.06 per MHS The daily coinbase rate can be found on coinbase.com Tell us where we are wrong and we will correct it. We stand by our reputation. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 20, 2014, 09:41:22 AM i i opened and showed everyone the truth instead of saying ho look at a generic page of who knows what show us your ledgers and not a link to a simply page but where your payouts are linked! and if you dont trust me then have a third party involved im not looking for how the math should be but the actual math your actual payouts and the actual conversions! then that will show how your perfect 0n is impossible and manipulation of your payout ledger was done! that is also why your so reluctant to show actual data ? I think I know where the confusion is. The maintenance fee that gets subtracted from the payouts is always exactly the same. Which seems suspicious. This happens because if the maintenance fee is higher than the payout, we lower it to match the payout so that you do not get a negative payout. We receive a smaller maintenance fee but we still have to pay to warehouse the machines and pay for people to watch over them over the term of the virtual miners. The payouts can be easily confirmed 1. Look up the payouts for the day at : http://clevermining.com/profits 2. Subtract your maintenance fee in USD at a rate of 0.06USD per MH 3. Convert your Maintenance Fee to BTC at the coinbase rate at 430PM PST. 4. If your maintenance fee is greater than your payout, reduce it to equal your payout. Please let me know if you find an error when you double check your payouts this way. Thanks. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 20, 2014, 09:53:51 AM AS REQUESTED PROVIDE PROOF OF YOUR PAYOUTS DO NOT SEND GENERIC LINKS TO PAGES OF NON PERTAIN ANT INFO ! SHOW YOUR ACTUAL PAYOUTS AND CONVERSIONS SHOW YOUR ADDRESSES OF PAYMENT AND STOP HIDING BEHIND THE CURTAINS! BE HONEST AND SHOW THE CORRECT INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED S E V E R A L TIMES I DONT WANT TO SEE YOUR MATH OR YOUR IDEAS I WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH! AND AS I SAID BEFORE IF YOU DONT TRUST ME THEN HAVE A THIRD PARTY VERIFY THIS AND THEY CAN PROVIDE THESE LEDGERS!!!!! AND NOT YOUR HAND WRITTEN bulls**t 1. Proof of payouts is here: http://clevermining.com/profits Whatever they pay out is what you get. We have no control over clevermining. 2. Address of payment can be seen on your blockchain payout. 3. I welcome any third-party that is at least a hero-member or above on this forum to weigh in. 4. Please let us know what you think the payouts should be. Please let us know why our math is wrong. EDIT: 5. Here are some of the recent payouts. Let us know where it is wrong: http://pastebin.com/gWtenfGR Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: onemorebtc on December 20, 2014, 09:55:52 AM AS REQUESTED PROVIDE PROOF OF YOUR PAYOUTS DO NOT SEND GENERIC LINKS TO PAGES OF NON PERTAIN ANT INFO ! SHOW YOUR ACTUAL PAYOUTS AND CONVERSIONS SHOW YOUR ADDRESSES OF PAYMENT AND STOP HIDING BEHIND THE CURTAINS! BE HONEST AND SHOW THE CORRECT INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED S E V E R A L TIMES I DONT WANT TO SEE YOUR MATH OR YOUR IDEAS I WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH! AND AS I SAID BEFORE IF YOU DONT TRUST ME THEN HAVE A THIRD PARTY VERIFY THIS AND THEY CAN PROVIDE THESE LEDGERS!!!!! AND NOT YOUR HAND WRITTEN bulls**t please... calm down and at least be a little bit reasonable... maybe start with the contract the girl signed? there you have your maintenance fee. anything else can be caluclated WITHOUT any data from zoomhash. and: stop crying! Zoomhash_michael: congrats ;) +1 from me... dealing with somebody like that in a polite manner.... but: if your service is a loss (at least atm maybe offer your customers to suspend them? it seems you make a loss also... ) Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 20, 2014, 09:59:34 AM AS REQUESTED PROVIDE PROOF OF YOUR PAYOUTS DO NOT SEND GENERIC LINKS TO PAGES OF NON PERTAIN ANT INFO ! SHOW YOUR ACTUAL PAYOUTS AND CONVERSIONS SHOW YOUR ADDRESSES OF PAYMENT AND STOP HIDING BEHIND THE CURTAINS! BE HONEST AND SHOW THE CORRECT INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED S E V E R A L TIMES I DONT WANT TO SEE YOUR MATH OR YOUR IDEAS I WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH! AND AS I SAID BEFORE IF YOU DONT TRUST ME THEN HAVE A THIRD PARTY VERIFY THIS AND THEY CAN PROVIDE THESE LEDGERS!!!!! AND NOT YOUR HAND WRITTEN bulls**t please... calm down and at least be a little bit reasonable... maybe start with the contract the girl signed? there you have your maintenance fee. anything else can be caluclated WITHOUT any data from zoomhash. and: stop crying! Zoomhash_michael: congrats ;) +1 from me... dealing with somebody like that in a polite manner.... but: if your service is a loss (at least atm maybe offer your customers to suspend them? it seems you make a loss also... ) It costs the customer no money to continue the service. There is a good chance that BTC will go up or LTC will go up. In which case we are responsible for keeping the miners available. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 21, 2014, 01:34:41 AM well for the 4th day in a row still a perfect "0" balance i will post links and alot more in the following hours! plus ADDED BONUS**** THIS RIDE IS ABOUT TO BECOME VERY INTERESTING SO PLEASE STAY TUNED AND ENJOY THIS EVERYONE THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF INTERNET IS ABOUT TO SHOW HOW FUN THINGS CAN GET AS HE HAS DECIDED TO GO COMPLACENTLY SILENT I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME MORE VOCAL LET US ALL SEE THE RESULTS OF GETTING LOUD SO PLEASE THIS WILL NOT BE FOR THE FAINT OF HEART AND FOR GODS SAKE PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS A THREAT OR ANYTHING ELSE AS IT IS SOMETHING THAT SIMPLY NEEDS TO BE DONE AND EXPOSING TRUTH SHOULD BE THE RIGHTS OF EVERYONE ON THE PLANET. OK WILL RETURN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH LINKS AND EVERYTHING SO PLEASE STAY TUNED AND AS ALWAYS Have a Nice day Please see my last post in this thread on why the payout is zero. Please let me know where the payout descrepency is. Tha ks. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 21, 2014, 01:48:12 AM well for the 4th day in a row still a perfect "0" balance i will post links and alot more in the following hours!! plus ADDED BONUS**** THIS RIDE IS ABOUT TO BECOME VERY INTERESTING SO PLEASE STAY TUNED AND ENJOY THIS EVERYONE THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF INTERNET IS ABOUT TO SHOW HOW FUN THINGS CAN GET AS HE HAS DECIDED TO GO COMPLACENTLY SILENT I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME MORE VOCAL LET US ALL SEE THE RESULTS OF GETTING LOUD SO PLEASE THIS WILL NOT BE FOR THE FAINT OF HEART AND FOR GODS SAKE PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS A THREAT OR ANYTHING ELSE AS IT IS SOMETHING THAT SIMPLY NEEDS TO BE DONE AND EXPOSING TRUTH SHOULD BE THE RIGHTS OF EVERYONE ON THE PLANET. OK WILL RETURN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH LINKS AND EVERYTHING SO PLEASE STAY TUNED AND AS ALWAYS Have a Nice day Please see my last post in this thread on why the payout is zero. Please let me know where the payout descrepency is. Tha ks. i did not buy any virtual miners from you! as stated in public i am aproaching this on behalf of a friend and her email is ealmadrones@yahoo.com i have access to her zoomhash account only as she does not know English well enough to address this issue nor does she understand the functions of bitcoin well enough to dispute this so i prompted myself because of her sisters request. I am sorry to hear about that. I will do everything I can to help. Can you help me by answering these few questions. 1. How did your sister's friend find us in the philippines? We do not advertise there. 2. Why did she buy the virtual miners if she does not understand how they work? 3. Can you give me proof that she is using this money to support her family? If so, I will see if I can cancel and refund the miners. But you have to realize that it cost us money to cancel the miners because we paid for them at a much higher price back in September. first of all it was her sister and not mine, and she found you because i actually mentioned you and your company while talking on skype with her . second= she bought from you because at that moment she heard me saying that your company was to be trusted and doing a simple search is global in the Philippines as it is every where else in the world of the internet. im not sure what kind of proof your looking for ? and i cannot accept anything as i said before , you will have to contact her directly because this is not my account! this is my battle because i have been mining just as long or longer then you have. and she is a very simple honest and very discreet person humble and kind and will never for her traditions think that someone is screwing her over as the proof has shown. How much does she make per year? Did you buy anything from our company as well? and now for the real fun i have requested too many times for the actual truth and proof but you have refused . so now it time for the fun and games to begin. and as always Have a Nice day The proof is in the math. Show us where the math is wrong. You are trying to spread fud unless we give in to your extortion. I was going to talk to my team at work on Monday to see what we can do for you for your alleged personal struggles on our own dime. But you do not seem to be acting out of good faith. This has seem to be very malicious attacks against us. The math is simple for payouts. And can be easily verified with third parties as previously mentioned in this thread. I do not like scammers. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Blazed on December 21, 2014, 04:31:50 AM Your friend made a bad investment end of story. If the payments are the same as Clever and the fees match what she agreed too, then she is to blame not zoomhash. Never invest more than you can afford to lose.
Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 21, 2014, 04:36:24 AM Your friend made a bad investment end of story. If the payments are the same as Clever and the fees match what she agreed too, then she is to blame not zoomhash. Never invest more than you can afford to lose. There is no way we can manipulate "ledgers" as the payouts are all public from www.clevermining.com. The maintenance fees were 0.08USD per MHs which we dropped to 0.06. ??? Am I missing something here? Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 21, 2014, 04:45:00 AM well for the 4th day in a row still a perfect "0" balance i will post links and alot more in the following hours!! plus ADDED BONUS**** THIS RIDE IS ABOUT TO BECOME VERY INTERESTING SO PLEASE STAY TUNED AND ENJOY THIS EVERYONE THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF INTERNET IS ABOUT TO SHOW HOW FUN THINGS CAN GET AS HE HAS DECIDED TO GO COMPLACENTLY SILENT I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME MORE VOCAL LET US ALL SEE THE RESULTS OF GETTING LOUD SO PLEASE THIS WILL NOT BE FOR THE FAINT OF HEART AND FOR GODS SAKE PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS A THREAT OR ANYTHING ELSE AS IT IS SOMETHING THAT SIMPLY NEEDS TO BE DONE AND EXPOSING TRUTH SHOULD BE THE RIGHTS OF EVERYONE ON THE PLANET. OK WILL RETURN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH LINKS AND EVERYTHING SO PLEASE STAY TUNED AND AS ALWAYS Have a Nice day Please see my last post in this thread on why the payout is zero. Please let me know where the payout descrepency is. Tha ks. i did not buy any virtual miners from you! as stated in public i am aproaching this on behalf of a friend and her email is ealmadrones@yahoo.com i have access to her zoomhash account only as she does not know English well enough to address this issue nor does she understand the functions of bitcoin well enough to dispute this so i prompted myself because of her sisters request. I am sorry to hear about that. I will do everything I can to help. Can you help me by answering these few questions. 1. How did your sister's friend find us in the philippines? We do not advertise there. 2. Why did she buy the virtual miners if she does not understand how they work? 3. Can you give me proof that she is using this money to support her family? If so, I will see if I can cancel and refund the miners. But you have to realize that it cost us money to cancel the miners because we paid for them at a much higher price back in September. first of all it was her sister and not mine, and she found you because i actually mentioned you and your company while talking on skype with her . second= she bought from you because at that moment she heard me saying that your company was to be trusted and doing a simple search is global in the Philippines as it is every where else in the world of the internet. im not sure what kind of proof your looking for ? and i cannot accept anything as i said before , you will have to contact her directly because this is not my account! this is my battle because i have been mining just as long or longer then you have. and she is a very simple honest and very discreet person humble and kind and will never for her traditions think that someone is screwing her over as the proof has shown. How much does she make per year? Did you buy anything from our company as well? and now for the real fun i have requested too many times for the actual truth and proof but you have refused . so now it time for the fun and games to begin. and as always Have a Nice day The proof is in the math. Show us where the math is wrong. You are trying to spread fud unless we give in to your extortion. I was going to talk to my team at work on Monday to see what we can do for you for your alleged personal struggles on our own dime. But you do not seem to be acting out of good faith. This has seem to be very malicious attacks against us. The math is simple for payouts. And can be easily verified with third parties as previously mentioned in this thread. I do not like scammers. the reason this has become an issue is because you are scamming people and manipulating at your leisure the payout ledgers to accommodate your company, as requested several times the proof and you have denied this to anyone. your formula for math may or may not be correct but as you refuse and will not provide the actual payout ledgers it is very obvious that your hiding a lot and it would obviously show the manipulation! because a NON Scammer would certainly show his proof and valid evidence instead of hiding it or fabricating it. the point has been made and is very open and visible to all to see . now the fun part is to assure that as many people in the world as possible, come to know the truth of this situation. I think LOUD publicity is a good start and also im sure reaching out and having many people involved is a great way to make ZOOMHASH a common name as lets say....MTGOX your the scammer and I am openly calling FRAUD MANIPULATION OF LEDGERS and calling extortion? wow it sure seems odd that each and every time both in public and in private msgs you have attempted to bribe me and I promptly refused as this is not my account! and that would sound very legal....... the legal via is a path that will follow and im sure that many people digging into every aspect of this would be very interesting to sit back and watch . and im very positive that the USA GOV would be very willing to do this and make things clearer wow I am able to use extortion ...... hahahaha I am doing this out of respect and for the principal of this" no other reason" or any personal gain what so ever! and the longer you make this go the more fun I will have to enjoy this chance at helping the victims of FRAUD PRO BONO :) and as always Have a Nice day 1. How do we manipulate the payout? It is public information on: http://www.clevermining.com/profits "EDIT CORRECTED LINK" 2. Maintenance fee was as agreed 0.08USD per MH. Which we dropped to 0.06 per MHS on our dime. 3. If maintenance fee is greater than the crypto payout, we cancel the crypto payout for the day and not bring your balance negative. This is done by subtracting the whole crypto payout for the day. Again, on our dime. Are any of those two variable wrong in regard to your payout? As we checked. They are correct. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 21, 2014, 04:57:34 AM you still dont think its a good thing to show the proof and simply link to a page not containing your information I have no idea what you are talking about. The product you bought was a virtual miner parked on clevermining for 1 year with a maintenance fee of 0.08USD per MHs which we dropped to 0.06USD. Nothing else was ever promised. Do you disagree on this? EDIT Additional point: What are your claims against us? Please pick one: 1. We are not providing the correct payout. 2. We are taking too much in maintenance fees. but hey this is exactly what we are looking for so keep up the great work and this would also mean that your company is functioning at a zero profit? great communications between you and the customer also my compliments What does the profitability of our company have to do with this? The product you bought was a virtual miner parked on clevermining for 1 year with a maintenece fee of 0.08USD per MHs which we dropped to 0.06USD. Nothing else was ever promised. Do you disagree on this? We actually mine with real hardware and can not just increase payouts because we want to. That is characteristic of a ponzi scheme. ::) Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 21, 2014, 06:04:30 AM We need to ask just very short and clear questions! if your payouts are exatly "0" and you have stated may times that you pay more then your profit is "0" or below? Have you even read my previous posts... but you have REFUSED ascess to your actual payments... so ..... your math my math is PUBLIC TRANSPERANCY PROOF AND INFORMATIVE KNOLEDGE TO ALL AND AS THE COLLECTIVE RESOURSCES GATHER THIS BUNDLE OF INFO IM SURE THERE ARE SEVERAL DIRECTLY INTERESTED GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THAT WILL ADORE THE CHANCE TO AUDIT WHAT HAS BEEN HIDDEN. oh and where is the extortion factor is all of this? I forgot? the authorities are very interested and know how to handle this and as always Have a Nice day p.s. the official website will be online tomorrow so stay tuned You find a reputable escrow service provider that is at least a hero member and has at least 15+ positive feedbacks on this forum to judge this dispute. And a member since 2013. I will deposit 4 BTC with the escrow holder for him to decide on who to give it to. We present him the case. He decides who keeps the BTC. You or me. Also, I will contact my law firms in the Philippines if you do not stop harassing us. I do not like scammers, especially ones that try to take advantage of our generosity. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 21, 2014, 06:44:02 AM my burden of proof has already been verified by the needed your burden of proof is yours not mine so please take your own responsibilities and as always have a nice day Have you even read the product description of the virtual miners? Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: rebuilder on December 21, 2014, 12:15:44 PM Just popped in to say, good job keeping polite with this troll, Zoomhash_michael. From reading this thread, it's pretty clear who's being unreasonable, and it's not you.
Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Rannasha on December 21, 2014, 12:31:13 PM Just popped in to say, good job keeping polite with this troll, Zoomhash_michael. From reading this thread, it's pretty clear who's being unreasonable, and it's not you. This. It is no surprise that cloud mining is not even close to being a profitable investment these days, so I'm not entirely sure what the OP is raging about. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Blazed on December 21, 2014, 04:51:02 PM Zoomhash has done nothing wrong here..your friend made a bad investment. Zoomhash sold your friend a contract and prices tanked..not their fault.
Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: corsaro on December 21, 2014, 05:35:25 PM scrypt mining has became less profitable, and this is the reason for 0 daily payout.
Scrypt mining is not able anymore to pay the electricity costs. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 21, 2014, 05:44:18 PM Zoomhash has done nothing wrong here..your friend made a bad investment. Zoomhash sold your friend a contract and prices tanked..not their fault. that is your opinion and i do not share the same opinion , plus i have fact and proof ! but at this point i am becoming a simple back seat driver showing people things and leading them in the right direction! as always Have a Nice day Also you claimed that you have an A2 that was more profitable. Philippine electricity prices are around 0.400usd per kwh. From my caculations, you are paying around $10 in electricity for around $4 in coin. You are losing $6 each day. Is that correct? Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 21, 2014, 05:46:34 PM scrypt mining has became less profitable, and this is the reason for 0 daily payout. Scrypt mining is not able anymore to pay the electricity costs. Yes it has been very tough. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: iluvpie60 on December 21, 2014, 09:18:18 PM scrypt mining has became less profitable, and this is the reason for 0 daily payout. Scrypt mining is not able anymore to pay the electricity costs. Yes it has been very tough. ^ there really isn't much more to say. I feel like mods need to close this thread. Unless prices go up again it is what it is unfortunately :( Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: damiano on December 22, 2014, 08:09:08 PM Pointless accusation
Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 30, 2014, 05:38:09 PM http://cryptomining-blog.com/4093-zeushash-scrypt-cloud-mining-situation-still-not-good/ (http://cryptomining-blog.com/4093-zeushash-scrypt-cloud-mining-situation-still-not-good/) hahahaha this is the reason that China is superior to America ZoomHash needs to take a lesson from Honesty and awesome communication skills! there are many many more could services out there like https://www.genesis-mining.com with one "1 M/h " of scrypt mining i am still receiving satoshi, every single day! and their charges are higher then zoomhash i am going against what i was told "to be silent and let the system work as the government officials are preparing what i consider a VERY JUST CAUSE!!! and re reading many of the things the owner of zoomhash said i noticed one thing...... he refused to offer the open logs of his work. then he asked for me to prove that she is living from this and what i said was true.......... i had many people enter that account and verify for them selves the truth. when MR, ZOOMHASH refused and then wanted proof of many different things without offering proof of his correct bushiness ethics. That is more then shady.. that is a full scam!!!!!!! PLEASE remember that i am the single person to blame for all the fun your company will have at the beginning of 2015 hAVE A GREAT new YEAR ALL AND DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM zOOMhASH AS THEY ARE DISHONEST DECEIVING AND UNTRUSTWORTHY. THAT IS ALSO WHY HIS TRUST LEVEL IS WHERE IT IS You do realize that they are doing the same thing we are right? Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 31, 2014, 01:53:00 AM Most certainly they are doing the same thing, the difference is huge between them and you, meaning all other Real companies and NOT INCLUDING "ZOOMHASH" 1:) HONESTY they contact the clients and they arrange a solution but not left holding a modified "0" in a fake log made by you 2:)they show what is honestly earned in their logs and do not modify them! and as reference shows they show upon request! 3:)even if it is 0.00000001 satoshi they pay! you dont- you change the logs to show 0 so you can hold and keep the money 4:)they will have a great future 5:) your future has a large .GOV in the near . 1. We payout according to www.clevermining.com. which can not be faked. The payout history can be matched and verified with clevermining. 2. We do not modify our logs. Tell us where you think we modified the "logs" 3. Let us know where you see a discrepency. 4. I wish so too. 5. Ok. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 31, 2014, 08:29:32 AM Most certainly they are doing the same thing, the difference is huge between them and you, meaning all other Real companies and NOT INCLUDING "ZOOMHASH" 1:) HONESTY they contact the clients and they arrange a solution but not left holding a modified "0" in a fake log made by you 2:)they show what is honestly earned in their logs and do not modify them! and as reference shows they show upon request! 3:)even if it is 0.00000001 satoshi they pay! you dont- you change the logs to show 0 so you can hold and keep the money 4:)they will have a great future 5:) your future has a large .GOV in the near . 1. We payout according to www.clevermining.com. which can not be faked. The payout history can be matched and verified with clevermining. 2. We do not modify our logs. Tell us where you think we modified the "logs" 3. Let us know where you see a discrepency. 4. I wish so too. 5. Ok. OMG OK EVERYONE PLEASE GO TO WHERE HE IS SENDING YOU AND SEE THE ACTUAL AVERAGE PAYOUTS BUT NOT YOURS!!!! THATS AVERAGE AND NOT YOUR PAYOUTS. http://www.clevermining.com/payouts SHOW US THE RESULTS OF THIS PAGE AND NOT GENERIC AVERAGES!!! YOU HIDE THE TRUTH BECAUSE FROM CLEVERMINING TO YOUR FUNKY CLOUD- THERE ARE MANY COINS MISSING AND IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH YOU PUT A BIG 0 WHERE IT SHOULD BE PAYED! YOU PROVE THE TRUTH THAT YOUR A EMBEZZLING SCAM ARTIST NO ONE WANTS TO SEE YOUR GENERIC AVERAGES THE TRUTH IS WITH YOUR RECEIVING ADDRESS USED AS A LOGIN FOR THE PAYOUT AND YOU THINK PEOPLE HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD THIS YET? ZOOMSCAM HAS RAN ITS COURSE AND IS NOW TIME TO HASH IT AND I AM THE ONE WHO STARTED IT AND PLEASE REMEMBER ME So you are claiming that the "actual" payouts are more than what clevermining has on their website history? Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 31, 2014, 09:53:28 AM I AM CLAIMING THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE FROM http://www.clevermining.com/payouts AND WHAT YOU PUT OUT AS PAYMENTS FROM YOUR COULD HASHING SERVICE THIS IS WHY UNTILL NOW YOU REFUSE TO SHOW AND ARE PLAYING THE GAME OF DELAY AND PLAY YOU HAVE ALREADY PROVED TO EVERYONE THAT YOU MANIPULATE AND CHANGE PAYOUTS THIS HAS BECOME A VERY FUNNY ORDEAL A BUSINESS OWNER THAT GOT CAUGHT AND IS NOW TRYING TO COVER IT UP BY NOT HAVING PROOF SO HE REFUSES IN PUBLIC TO PROVIDE HONESTY THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I DID WHAT I RETAIN JUSTICE "LEGAL" WOW NEXT NAME WILL BE? ZOOMSCAM? ZOOMCRASH? ZOOM SMASH? AND THE LONGER YOU CONTINUE TO PLAY THIS FOOLISH GAME THE DEEPER YOU GO, AND MORE NOISE YOUR MAKING, JUST TO PULL THE ATTENTION TO YOUR DISHONESTY CRIMINALS GET CAUGHT ,AND YOU GOT CAUGHT NOW LETS SEE WHAT THE LEGAL DEBATE WILL BE I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO PRESS CHARGES FOR HARASSMENT AS YOU STATED PREVIOUSLY? LOW LEVEL CRIMINALS GET CAUGHT LIKE YOU You do realize that the difference between http://clevermining.com/profits and http://www.clevermining.com/payouts is 0.000001BTC per megahash. Not only that, it rounds up. So there are days we pay you more than 0.000001BTC when it rounds up. EDIT: For example, if the payout was 0.0001555, we pay out 0.00016 because we round up. So you actually get more BTC. But if it is 0.000154 it rounds down to 0.00015. Btw we are talking about a difference of 0.000005BTC at most...which is really really really small. Right click and inspect element of the graph on clevermining.com like this: http://imgur.com/9lOiWl0 So at worst you are claiming there is a 0.0003USD per MH discrepancy in your payouts... So after all this trolling you are claiming that we are ripping people off because we round up 0.0003USD. Btw, we dont just truncate, we round up. So we are not ripping off 0.000001BTC. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 31, 2014, 09:54:52 AM I hope people are reading this thread.
Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 31, 2014, 10:10:00 AM HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOUR GETTING RIDICULOUS STILL PLAYING THE RING AROUND THE ROUND IT UP OR ROUND IT DOWN! MY GOD YOUR PITIFUL AND HOLY COW ARE YOU DISHONEST! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH KEEP TRYING TO CHANGE OTHER THINGS ALSO? ITS NOT TO YOUR BENEFIT TO KEEP DIVERTING THINGS AND WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OPENLY AND HONESTLY? SHOW THE ACTUAL PAYOUT OH, SORRY NOW YOU WANT US TO LOOK AS SOMETHING ELSE .... RIGHT? OR AS LONG AS WE DON'T SEE THE TRUTH THAT YOU SIMPLY WONT SHOW!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE Here is the payout history: http://clevermining.com/profits Tell us what else is wrong with this payout history. Does it not match what you received? You are alluding that there is some mysterious unicorn payout ledger somewhere that we are hiding from you. I reread the description of the item you bought and no where did it mention unicorn payouts or hidden ledgers or anything other than promised hashrate parked at www.clevermining.com and: 1. Speed of the virtual miner 2. Term of the virtual miner 3. Uptime of the virtual miner 4. Maintenance Fees So please enlighten us how we are cheating you. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on December 31, 2014, 10:24:56 AM HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOUR PAYOUTS NOT A GENERIC PROFIT CHART! MY GOD YOUR A TRUE FOOL IF YOU THINK THE POEPLE WILL TAKE A GENERIC AVERAGE OF A PLACE IN EXCHANGE FOR YOUR PAYOUT MY GOD THIS IS GETTING FUNNY BECAUSE EACH TIME YOU SEND TO A DIFFERENT PLACE AND THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS BECAUSE YOU MANIPULATE YOUR PAYOUTS! AND YOU STILL REFUSE TO SHOW YOUR PAYOUTS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA How can our supposed "payouts" be different than this: http://clevermining.com/profits Are you saying we have a way to get more than the above historical chart? EDIT: Also, you do realize what you bought promised nothing more than clevermining... Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: onemorebtc on December 31, 2014, 11:28:45 AM I hope people are reading this thread. they do... and i see it as a good advertisment for you ;) good luck with the ltc price though (i'd love to get threated that way by customer support - even if i am wrong) its pretty obvious that all this ntsdm user wants is to make accusations - and he does not care if true or right...i'd say he is laughing in his cellar because of the stress you had (i hope HAD is right...not have...not worth) Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on January 01, 2015, 08:11:18 AM I hope people are reading this thread. they do... and i see it as a good advertisment for you ;) good luck with the ltc price though (i'd love to get threated that way by customer support - even if i am wrong) its pretty obvious that all this ntsdm user wants is to make accusations - and he does not care if true or right...i'd say he is laughing in his cellar because of the stress you had (i hope HAD is right...not have...not worth) i made an accusation and had it verified ! zoom hash refuses to provide proof that he is not manipulating the payout ledger. and refuses to have his account verified! if that is good advertisement for ZoomScam then you my friend have mental issues! but even the retarded and the crippled and the lepers have that as their own........opinion and this is not even for my account it is for a third party! but as previously stated this is only a small forum this is being dealt with in the real world as California Justice will take its course. remember that United States Federal mandate regarding Bitcoin is still in vigor.and is also fully involved. And will be enforced. manipulation of a payout ledger is not legal and that is the practice and advertisement that Zoomhash endorses We can not "manipulate the payout ledger." You bought hashes pointed to clevermining. What ever clevermining pays out is what you get. We have days where our machine goes down and we pay out of our own pocket to gaurantee the 100% uptime. We base the payout on www.clevermining.com/profits. I do not know why you think your payouts should be more than: http://clevermining.com/profits BTW, we still have to pay for storage and warehousing for these unprofitable machines for 1 year. Just in case it becomes positive payout again. This again on our dime. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: bitspill on January 01, 2015, 11:56:11 AM Sounds like ntsdm is looking for a page like http://clevermining.com/users/1Cbt9erBxmdQiP3TmVZWrFZCWkZsvA3cbH however with the zoomhash address so he can look at the actual payout rather than average payout and come to realize the same thing, the profit is 0.
Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on January 03, 2015, 04:36:43 PM Attention zoomhash is fraud! I has ordered cloud miners on 14.09., 15.09. with "7 days money back guarantee". I write an Email on 20.09. to delete my membership and money back but zoomhash ignore this and tell me the standard „i hope we can lowered maintenance fee in the future". I write again and again. In the last two weeks a user christopher tells me. "...Hmm, alright I need to get approval but I think the order - payouts = refund would be best. I know they're going to want to charge a fee though simply because we aren't supposed to cancel/refund cloud mining orders after the 7th day. I'll try to get that as low as I possibly can. How much BTC has been withdrawn over your account so far? Thanks, Chris..." And now the same christopher tell me, today i am not in the 7 day money back guarantee... so zoomhash has stolen me ~3000USD. Send me a copy of the email on 20.09 and we will take care of this for you. Thanks and sorry for the troubles. SEEMS LIKE HE HAS STARTED TO RUN FOR COVER PEOPLE.. I AM HAPPY AT LEASE ONE PERSON MIGHT GET SOME JUSTICE!!!!!!!!! BUT AS THIS THREAD SHOWS IM SURE HE WILL PLAY THE RUNAROUND GAME AND SCAM THAT POOR PERSON A SECOND TIME. AND AS I REFLECT ON THIS ENTIRE SCAM INVENTED AND DONE BY ZOOMHASH THAT LITTLE SWEET AND HONEST LADY FROM THE PHILIPPINES ealmadrones@yahoo.com WHO INVESTED IN 83 MH ON ZOOMHASH CLOUD MINING SERVICE ------- STILL HAS NOT RECEIVED EVEN A SINGLE EMAIL OR INQUIRIES OR ANYTHING FROM ZOOM HASH BUT SHE STILL RECEIVES THIS Payouts 1/2/2015 Hello, You have received the following payouts: Miner Gross Amount Maintenance Fee Net Amount Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016800 Bitcoin 0.00016800 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00161757 Bitcoin 0.00161757 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00161757 Bitcoin 0.00161757 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00167197 Bitcoin 0.00167197 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00165917 Bitcoin 0.00165917 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00163197 Bitcoin 0.00163197 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00163197 Bitcoin 0.00163197 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00166717 Bitcoin 0.00166717 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016640 Bitcoin 0.00016640 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016160 Bitcoin 0.00016160 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016160 Bitcoin 0.00016160 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016160 Bitcoin 0.00016160 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016160 Bitcoin 0.00016160 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016000 Bitcoin 0.00016000 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016640 Bitcoin 0.00016640 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016160 Bitcoin 0.00016160 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016000 Bitcoin 0.00016000 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Zoomhash Scrypt Miner 0.00016320 Bitcoin 0.00016320 Bitcoin 0.00000000 Bitcoin Total Gross Amount: 0.01328934 Bitcoin Total Maintenance Fees: 0.01328934 Bitcoin Total Net Amount: 0.00000000 Bitcoin You can see your wallet at http://cloud.zoomhash.com Thank you again for choosing ZoomHash as your virtual mining solution. We are not trying to hide anything. That clevermining address link was and always is on the product description page. Notice how there were days in the past where we had power outages. Guess how we promised 100% uptime. How come you did not complain when we had to pay out of our own pockets. Also, if you take the total payouts for the day and divide it by the mhs for the day. You will see it matches www.clevermining.com/profits. So you claims of not getting the correct payout is incorrect. The speed of the miners never go below the purchased speed. So it is only a bonus determined by the extra capacity we have for miners and never a negative. Edit: Once again we pay more than what is promised. We are still mining on other addresses on clevermining and looking for cheaper hosting solutions. So, the question is, are you not getting what you agreed and paid for? If so, where? Edit: Once again, that address is on our product description and we never tried to hide it. We base the payout on clevermining even if we have power outages or other disasters. You never get less than what is promised. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on January 03, 2015, 05:30:50 PM Sounds like ntsdm is looking for a page like http://clevermining.com/users/1Cbt9erBxmdQiP3TmVZWrFZCWkZsvA3cbH however with the zoomhash address so he can look at the actual payout rather than average payout and come to realize the same thing, the profit is 0. SHOW THE ACTUAL PAYOUT VERY ODD HOW FROM JULY 18,2014 UNTILL DIC 14 ,2014 ALWAYS THE SAME ADDRESS..... THEN THE PROBLEMS STARTED AS NO PAYOUTS!!!!!! I GUESS THAT ADRESS EXPIRED OR GOT STALE RIGHT? SHOW THE ACTUAL PAYOUT Did you even read the description before you bought: https://i.imgur.com/MOXDNln.png (http://imgur.com/MOXDNln) Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on January 03, 2015, 05:41:43 PM Sounds like ntsdm is looking for a page like http://clevermining.com/users/1Cbt9erBxmdQiP3TmVZWrFZCWkZsvA3cbH however with the zoomhash address so he can look at the actual payout rather than average payout and come to realize the same thing, the profit is 0. SHOW THE ACTUAL PAYOUT VERY ODD HOW FROM JULY 18,2014 UNTILL DIC 14 ,2014 ALWAYS THE SAME ADDRESS..... THEN THE PROBLEMS STARTED AS NO PAYOUTS!!!!!! I GUESS THAT ADRESS EXPIRED OR GOT STALE RIGHT? SHOW THE ACTUAL PAYOUT Also, we do not base the payouts on our actual address, as it does not provide 100% uptime as we guaranteed. The programmers tied it to www.clevermining.com/profits as it gives you a higher payout. Which is what was promised on the description page. This gives you a larger overall payout than tieing it to our mining address. Once again, out of our own pocket. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: Zoomhash_michael on January 03, 2015, 05:45:21 PM YOU KEEP TELLING STORIES OF HOW YOU HAVE PROBLEM HERE AND THERE AND YOU DO THIS AND THAT.... AND EVERYONE SHOULD THNK OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We never have any problems. We delivered everything we promised to. TRY THINKING OF THAT LADY IN THE PHILIPPINES THAT LOST EVERYTHING OF POSSESSION OF HER AND HER FAMILY IN A HURRICANE AND WITH A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO TRY TO SURVIVE SHE INVESTED THE ONLY THING SHE HAD LEFT...... HER LIFE SAVINGS!!!!!!! IM SURE SHE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR HOW YOU PAY EVEN ON THE DOWN DAYS BUT YOU DONT!!!!! AND EVEN UNTIL NOW NO ONE FROM YOUR COMPANY HAS EVEN TRIED TO CONTACT ER IN ANY WAY.. IM SURE ITS SUCH A HARD HASSLE FOR YOU TO DO THIS .... THAT IS THE REASON THIS HAS STARTED ! As we PM'ed you. 1. You should have never convinced your friend to buy this. 2. We never advertised in the philippines. 3. As we said earlier, if you can prove the claims you make about your "Filipino Friend", we can do a one time refund for you and no one else. 4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901108.new;topicseen#new YOU ARE STILL HIDING YOUR TRUTH AND NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON IS INTERESTED IN YOUR PROBLEMS WHILE YOU ARE DEVASTATING OTHER PEOPLES LIVES AT THEIR EXPENSE WHILE YOU THRIVE! We have no problems. We delivered everything and a bit more than what we promised. Title: Re: ZOOMHASH Cloud Fraud Post by: bitspill on January 03, 2015, 06:47:26 PM NOBODY CARES .............................. SHOW THE ACTUAL ADDRESS He did show it, in the screenshot. http://clevermining.com/users/1DNeaTDgvdKirX9h4pTTShxgKNa7df5tX9 It stopped on the 14th, however my speculation is that since its unprofitable for anyone right now, both you and zoomhash, they may have powered them down until the prices rise and they can begin paying you the buyer again. Otherwise they'll keep hashing away at a loss on electricity while you continue to get paid 0btc since your 60cent fee is greater than the amount mined |
