ZOOMHASH

[ntsdm]

this issue is being resolved

[dogie]

anyone that would like to review her account please use teamviewer

Can confirm the account is as posted in the OP - maintenance fees = earnings.

[Zoomhash_michael]

anyone that would like to review her account please use teamviewer

Can confirm the account is as posted in the OP - maintenance fees = earnings.

As I copied and pasted to his 10+ other threads that he spammed on the forums:

Well, I am back after not posting for a while.

Anyways our cloud service is real and not a ponzi. We can not increase payouts just because we wanted to.

We stopped selling virtual miners about 2 months ago.

At the time when we sold these miners 4~6 months ago, they were the best deal on the market.

Unfortunately, these miners decrease in value when LTC is at sub $3 and BTC is at ~$315....

We even dropped the price of maintenance fee. The payouts are correct according to the www.clevermining.com/profits. The maintenance fees are paid in BTC at a rate locked in Fiat as agreed upon when you bought the virtual miner.

When BTC drops the maintenance fee eats up a bigger portion of your payout. The fee was 0.08USD per MHS and we dropped it to 0.06MHS on our dime. The maintenance fees are actually more than the payouts right now with the crappy markets so instead of the balance going negative we just cancel out the payout on our dime. We never promised anything in regards to how much coin you would earn. No one can and you can not expect us to.

The only thing we promised was:

1. Speed of the virtual miner
2. Term of the virtual miner
3. Uptime of the virtual miner
4. Maintenance Fees




This is like buying Bitcoin from coinbase at $1000 last year and then calling coinbase a scammer because bitcoin is at ~$315 right now.



We delivered everything that we promised to do.

EDIT: Clarification points.

[Zoomhash_michael]

DO NOT TRY TO AVOID THE REASON THIS IS HERE!
DO NOT TRY TO POINT YOUR FINGERS AT OTHERS
REPLY WITH PROOF THAT YOUR PAYOUT LEDGERS WERE NOT MANIPULATED TO REPRESENT A PERFECT 0 BALANCE FOR 3 DAYS IN A ROW FOR
your"83 MH OF SCRYPT MINING
NOT SOMEONE EASES OR OTHER PEOPLE
 YOUR THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO PROVE THAT I AM INCORRECT

AND THE ONLY PLAUSIBLE WAY IS WITH THE FULL BLOCK CHAIN READINGS

Copying and pasting to the 11+ threads your are spamming:

So you are claiming that we are manipulating the ledgers?

The reason why we use www.clevermining.com/profits as the pool is so that we can not manipulate the "ledgers" the historical payouts are right here www.clevermining.com/profits


Lets go through the calculation. Lets take yesterday for example.

According to www.clevermining.com/profits the payout for yesterday was 0.00016 per MHS.

You allegedly have 83MHs

83MHS*0.00016= 0.01328BTC Payout

The maintenence fees that were agreed upon at the time of the virtual miner purchase was 0.08USD. But on our dime, we dedicided to drop it down to 0.06USD per MHS


So

0.06USD*83= $4.98 daily maintenance fee (I know it is high but at the time these were being sold they were the best price on the market. Hindsight is always 20/20).

Your net payout formula

Payout-Maintenance fee=Net Payout


0.01328BTC-$4.98USD (Converted at 430PST Coinbase price) = -BTC

But we will not allow the balance go negative so we cancel the payout on our dime.

Of course, you can accuse us of manipulating clevermining.com....

Anyways, if you want to publicly state your email. Please do. We have no intention to keep anything private.


EDIT:

So the formula is

Payout - Maintenance fee = Net Payout




Payout= 0.01328BTC

Maintenance fee = 0.06*83= $4.98
$4.98 gets converted to bitcoin at 430PM PST time from Coinbase price. Which was around ~312

Therefore, $4.98= 0.01596BTC


0.01328BTC-0.01596BTC= -0.00268BTC


Btw if you were to mine with the average electricity cost in the Philippines of 0.4USD per KWH your daily cost can easily be 3x the maintenance fee we charge depending on the hardware you have. So our maintenance fee is not out of line.

Regardless, let me know what your account name is so I can see what I can do. If you can prove to me that your are using this to support your family (Which was a very bad decision) I might be able to return something as a one time courtesy.

[Zoomhash_michael]

DO NOT CONSIDER ANYONE ELSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ACCOUNT OF A FEMALE THAT LIVES IN THE PHILIPPINES AND NONE OTHER, STOP TRYING TO SIDE TRACK EVERYTHING AND PUBLICLY PRODUCE YOUR PAYMENTS AND PAYOUTS BECAUSE IF YOU DONT

AGAIN I WILL THEN LETS START DOING THE MATH!!!!!

ALSO THERE IS NO APROX OR JUST ABOUT OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE RECORDS OF THIS AND YOUR WITHHOLDING THEM AND I AM ABOUT TO DISCLOSE THEM AND EMBARRASS YOU SO IT WOULD BE IN YOUR BEST OF INTEREST TO SAVE FACE TO

STAY ON DISCUSSION
DO NOT TAKE INTO EXAMPLE AS WE HAVE A SOLID CASE
AND UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THERE ARE SIMPLE APPROXIMATIONS LETS TALK

SATOSHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SO YOU ARE WELL INFORMED THAT MEANS     0.00000001       = 1 SATOSHI
YOUR APPROXIMATION IS PART OF THE REASON  WE ARE HERE

Can you tell us where our math was wrong.

[Zoomhash_michael]

SHOW THE MATH 
AND YOUR ADDRESSES
AND ALL WILL BECOME UNDERSTOOD

I did a few posts ago. Here it is again:

So the formula is

Payout - Maintenance fee = Net Payout




Payout= 0.01328BTC

Maintenance fee = 0.06*83= $4.98

$4.98 gets converted to bitcoin at 430PM PST time from Coinbase price. Which was around ~312

Therefore, $4.98= 0.01596BTC


0.01328BTC-0.01596BTC= -0.00268BTC

[Zoomhash_michael]

hand written BS is simply hand written BS
show ledgers

if you would want to correct this incedent please do

her adress is

ealmadrones@yahoo.com

untill she telles me to stop then i will bring this to the botom and in the open  for everyone to see
my adress is known by many and i prefer not to discolse it unless judged by 3 party

Ok, tell me how the math should work.

You have everything you need to calculate the payouts.

The historical payouts can be seen here:

http://clevermining.com/profits

The maintenance fee is 0.06 per MHS

The daily coinbase rate can be found on coinbase.com


Tell us where we are wrong and we will correct it. We stand by our reputation.

[Zoomhash_michael]

i i opened and showed everyone the truth instead of saying ho look at a generic page of who knows what show us your ledgers and not a link to a simply page but where your payouts are linked!
and if you dont trust me then have a third party involved
im not looking for how the math should be but the actual math  your actual payouts and the actual conversions! then that will show how  your perfect 0n is impossible and manipulation of your payout ledger was done! that is also why your so reluctant to show actual data ?

I think I know where the confusion is.

The maintenance fee that gets subtracted from the payouts is always exactly the same. Which seems suspicious.


This happens because if the maintenance fee is higher than the payout, we lower it to match the payout so that you do not get a negative payout.

We receive a smaller maintenance fee but we still have to pay to warehouse the machines and pay for people to watch over them over the term of the virtual miners.


The payouts can be easily confirmed


1. Look up the payouts for the day at : http://clevermining.com/profits

2. Subtract your maintenance fee in USD at a rate of 0.06USD per MH

3. Convert your Maintenance Fee to BTC at the coinbase rate at 430PM PST.

4. If your maintenance fee is greater than your payout, reduce it to equal your payout.



Please let me know if you find an error when you double check your payouts this way. Thanks.

[Zoomhash_michael]

AS REQUESTED
PROVIDE PROOF OF YOUR PAYOUTS
 DO NOT SEND GENERIC LINKS TO PAGES OF NON PERTAIN ANT INFO ! SHOW YOUR ACTUAL PAYOUTS AND CONVERSIONS
 SHOW YOUR ADDRESSES OF PAYMENT AND STOP HIDING BEHIND THE CURTAINS!
 
BE HONEST AND SHOW THE CORRECT INFORMATION
THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED   S E V E R A L   TIMES
I DONT WANT TO SEE YOUR MATH OR YOUR IDEAS I WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH!
 AND AS I SAID BEFORE  IF YOU DONT TRUST ME THEN HAVE A THIRD PARTY VERIFY THIS AND THEY CAN PROVIDE THESE LEDGERS!!!!!
AND NOT YOUR HAND WRITTEN bulls**t

1. Proof of payouts is here:
http://clevermining.com/profits

Whatever they pay out is what you get. We have no control over clevermining.

2. Address of payment can be seen on your blockchain payout.

3. I welcome any third-party that is at least a hero-member or above on this forum to weigh in.

4. Please let us know what you think the payouts should be. Please let us know why our math is wrong.


EDIT:

5. Here are some of the recent payouts. Let us know where it is wrong:

http://pastebin.com/gWtenfGR

[onemorebtc]

AS REQUESTED
PROVIDE PROOF OF YOUR PAYOUTS
 DO NOT SEND GENERIC LINKS TO PAGES OF NON PERTAIN ANT INFO ! SHOW YOUR ACTUAL PAYOUTS AND CONVERSIONS
 SHOW YOUR ADDRESSES OF PAYMENT AND STOP HIDING BEHIND THE CURTAINS!
 
BE HONEST AND SHOW THE CORRECT INFORMATION
THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED   S E V E R A L   TIMES
I DONT WANT TO SEE YOUR MATH OR YOUR IDEAS I WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH!
 AND AS I SAID BEFORE  IF YOU DONT TRUST ME THEN HAVE A THIRD PARTY VERIFY THIS AND THEY CAN PROVIDE THESE LEDGERS!!!!!
AND NOT YOUR HAND WRITTEN bulls**t

please... calm down and at least be a little bit reasonable...

maybe start with the contract the girl signed? there you have your maintenance fee. anything else can be caluclated WITHOUT any data from zoomhash.

and: stop crying!

Zoomhash_michael: congrats +1 from me... dealing with somebody like that in a polite manner....
but: if your service is a loss (at least atm maybe offer your customers to suspend them? it seems you make a loss also... )

[Zoomhash_michael]

AS REQUESTED
PROVIDE PROOF OF YOUR PAYOUTS
 DO NOT SEND GENERIC LINKS TO PAGES OF NON PERTAIN ANT INFO ! SHOW YOUR ACTUAL PAYOUTS AND CONVERSIONS
 SHOW YOUR ADDRESSES OF PAYMENT AND STOP HIDING BEHIND THE CURTAINS!
 
BE HONEST AND SHOW THE CORRECT INFORMATION
THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED   S E V E R A L   TIMES
I DONT WANT TO SEE YOUR MATH OR YOUR IDEAS I WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH!
 AND AS I SAID BEFORE  IF YOU DONT TRUST ME THEN HAVE A THIRD PARTY VERIFY THIS AND THEY CAN PROVIDE THESE LEDGERS!!!!!
AND NOT YOUR HAND WRITTEN bulls**t

please... calm down and at least be a little bit reasonable...

maybe start with the contract the girl signed? there you have your maintenance fee. anything else can be caluclated WITHOUT any data from zoomhash.

and: stop crying!

Zoomhash_michael: congrats +1 from me... dealing with somebody like that in a polite manner....
but: if your service is a loss (at least atm maybe offer your customers to suspend them? it seems you make a loss also... )

It costs the customer no money to continue the service. There is a good chance that BTC will go up or LTC will go up. In which case we are responsible for keeping the miners available.

[Zoomhash_michael]

well for the 4th day in a row still a perfect "0" balance

i will post links and alot more in the following hours! plus
ADDED BONUS****
THIS RIDE IS ABOUT TO BECOME VERY INTERESTING
SO PLEASE STAY TUNED AND ENJOY THIS EVERYONE
THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF INTERNET IS ABOUT TO SHOW HOW FUN THINGS CAN GET
AS HE HAS DECIDED TO GO COMPLACENTLY SILENT I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME MORE VOCAL
LET US ALL SEE THE RESULTS OF GETTING LOUD

SO PLEASE THIS WILL NOT BE FOR THE FAINT OF HEART
AND FOR GODS SAKE PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS A THREAT OR ANYTHING ELSE AS IT IS SOMETHING THAT SIMPLY NEEDS TO BE DONE AND  EXPOSING TRUTH SHOULD BE THE RIGHTS OF EVERYONE ON THE PLANET.

OK WILL RETURN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH LINKS AND EVERYTHING SO PLEASE STAY TUNED

AND AS ALWAYS

Have a Nice day

Please see my last post in this thread on why the payout is zero.

Please let me know where the payout descrepency is. Tha ks.

[Zoomhash_michael]

well for the 4th day in a row still a perfect "0" balance

i will post links and alot more in the following hours!! plus
ADDED BONUS****
THIS RIDE IS ABOUT TO BECOME VERY INTERESTING
SO PLEASE STAY TUNED AND ENJOY THIS EVERYONE
THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF INTERNET IS ABOUT TO SHOW HOW FUN THINGS CAN GET
AS HE HAS DECIDED TO GO COMPLACENTLY SILENT I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME MORE VOCAL
LET US ALL SEE THE RESULTS OF GETTING LOUD

SO PLEASE THIS WILL NOT BE FOR THE FAINT OF HEART
AND FOR GODS SAKE PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS A THREAT OR ANYTHING ELSE AS IT IS SOMETHING THAT SIMPLY NEEDS TO BE DONE AND  EXPOSING TRUTH SHOULD BE THE RIGHTS OF EVERYONE ON THE PLANET.

OK WILL RETURN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH LINKS AND EVERYTHING SO PLEASE STAY TUNED

AND AS ALWAYS

Have a Nice day

Please see my last post in this thread on why the payout is zero.

Please let me know where the payout descrepency is. Tha ks.

i did not buy any virtual miners from you! as stated in public i am aproaching this on behalf of a friend and her email is

ealmadrones@yahoo.com

i have access to her zoomhash account only as she does not know English well enough to address this issue nor does she understand the functions of bitcoin well enough to dispute this so i prompted myself because of her sisters request.

I am sorry to hear about that. I will do everything I can to help.

Can you help me by answering these few questions.

1. How did your sister's friend find us in the philippines? We do not advertise there.
2. Why did she buy the virtual miners if she does not understand how they work?
3. Can you give me proof that she is using this money to support her family? If so, I will see if I can cancel and refund the miners. But you have to realize that it cost us money to cancel the miners because we paid for them at a much higher price back in September.

first of all it was her sister and not mine, and she found you because i actually mentioned you and your company while talking on skype with her .
second= she bought from you because at that moment she heard me saying that your company was to be trusted and doing a simple search is global in the Philippines as it is every where else in the world of the internet.
im not sure what kind of proof your looking for ?
and i cannot accept anything as i said before , you will have to contact her directly because this is not my account!
this is my battle because i have been mining just as long or longer then you have.
and she is a very simple honest and very discreet person humble and kind and will never for her traditions think that someone is screwing her over as the proof has shown.

How much does she make per year? Did you buy anything from our company as well?

and now for the real fun
 i have requested  too many times for the actual truth and proof but you have refused .
 so now it time for the fun and games to begin.


and as always


Have a Nice day

The proof is in the math.

Show us where the math is wrong.

You are trying to spread fud unless we give in to your extortion.

I was going to talk to my team at work on Monday to see what we can do for you for your alleged personal struggles on our own dime. But you do not seem to be acting out of good faith.

This has seem to be very malicious attacks against us.

The math is simple for payouts. And can be easily verified with third parties as previously mentioned in this thread.

I do not like scammers.

[Blazed]

Your friend made a bad investment end of story. If the payments are the same as Clever and the fees match what she agreed too, then she is to blame not zoomhash. Never invest more than you can afford to lose.

[Zoomhash_michael]

Your friend made a bad investment end of story. If the payments are the same as Clever and the fees match what she agreed too, then she is to blame not zoomhash. Never invest more than you can afford to lose.

There is no way we can manipulate "ledgers" as the payouts are all public from www.clevermining.com.

The maintenance fees were 0.08USD per MHs which we dropped to 0.06.

 

Am I missing something here?

[Zoomhash_michael]

well for the 4th day in a row still a perfect "0" balance

i will post links and alot more in the following hours!! plus
ADDED BONUS****
THIS RIDE IS ABOUT TO BECOME VERY INTERESTING
SO PLEASE STAY TUNED AND ENJOY THIS EVERYONE
THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF INTERNET IS ABOUT TO SHOW HOW FUN THINGS CAN GET
AS HE HAS DECIDED TO GO COMPLACENTLY SILENT I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME MORE VOCAL
LET US ALL SEE THE RESULTS OF GETTING LOUD

SO PLEASE THIS WILL NOT BE FOR THE FAINT OF HEART
AND FOR GODS SAKE PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS A THREAT OR ANYTHING ELSE AS IT IS SOMETHING THAT SIMPLY NEEDS TO BE DONE AND  EXPOSING TRUTH SHOULD BE THE RIGHTS OF EVERYONE ON THE PLANET.

OK WILL RETURN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH LINKS AND EVERYTHING SO PLEASE STAY TUNED

AND AS ALWAYS

Have a Nice day

Please see my last post in this thread on why the payout is zero.

Please let me know where the payout descrepency is. Tha ks.

i did not buy any virtual miners from you! as stated in public i am aproaching this on behalf of a friend and her email is

ealmadrones@yahoo.com

i have access to her zoomhash account only as she does not know English well enough to address this issue nor does she understand the functions of bitcoin well enough to dispute this so i prompted myself because of her sisters request.

I am sorry to hear about that. I will do everything I can to help.

Can you help me by answering these few questions.

1. How did your sister's friend find us in the philippines? We do not advertise there.
2. Why did she buy the virtual miners if she does not understand how they work?
3. Can you give me proof that she is using this money to support her family? If so, I will see if I can cancel and refund the miners. But you have to realize that it cost us money to cancel the miners because we paid for them at a much higher price back in September.

first of all it was her sister and not mine, and she found you because i actually mentioned you and your company while talking on skype with her .
second= she bought from you because at that moment she heard me saying that your company was to be trusted and doing a simple search is global in the Philippines as it is every where else in the world of the internet.
im not sure what kind of proof your looking for ?
and i cannot accept anything as i said before , you will have to contact her directly because this is not my account!
this is my battle because i have been mining just as long or longer then you have.
and she is a very simple honest and very discreet person humble and kind and will never for her traditions think that someone is screwing her over as the proof has shown.

How much does she make per year? Did you buy anything from our company as well?

and now for the real fun
 i have requested  too many times for the actual truth and proof but you have refused .
 so now it time for the fun and games to begin.


and as always


Have a Nice day

The proof is in the math.

Show us where the math is wrong.

You are trying to spread fud unless we give in to your extortion.

I was going to talk to my team at work on Monday to see what we can do for you for your alleged personal struggles on our own dime. But you do not seem to be acting out of good faith.

This has seem to be very malicious attacks against us.

The math is simple for payouts. And can be easily verified with third parties as previously mentioned in this thread.

I do not like scammers.

the reason this has become an issue is because you are scamming people and manipulating at your leisure the payout ledgers to accommodate your company,
 as requested several times the proof  and you have denied this to anyone.
your formula for math may or may not be correct but as you refuse and will not provide the actual payout ledgers it is very obvious that your hiding a lot and it would obviously show the manipulation!
because a NON Scammer would certainly show his proof and valid evidence instead of hiding it or fabricating it.
 the point has been made and is very open and visible to all to see .
now the fun part is to assure that as many people in the world as possible, come to know the truth of this situation.
I think  LOUD publicity is a good start and also im sure  reaching out and having many people involved is a great way to  make ZOOMHASH a common name as lets say....MTGOX
your the scammer
and I am openly calling  FRAUD
MANIPULATION OF LEDGERS

and calling extortion? wow it sure seems odd that each and every time  both in public and in private msgs you have attempted to bribe me and I promptly refused as this is not my account!  and that would sound very legal....... the legal via is a path that will follow and im sure  that many people digging into every aspect  of this would be very interesting to sit back and watch . and im very positive that the USA GOV would be very willing to do this and make things clearer
wow I am able to use extortion ......
hahahaha
I am doing this out of respect and for the principal of this" no other reason" or any personal gain what so ever!
and the longer you make this go the more fun I will have to enjoy this chance at helping the victims of FRAUD

PRO BONO  


and as always
Have a Nice day

1. How do we manipulate the payout? It is public information on: http://www.clevermining.com/profits "EDIT CORRECTED LINK"

2. Maintenance fee was as agreed 0.08USD per MH. Which we dropped to 0.06 per MHS on our dime.

3. If maintenance fee is greater than the crypto payout, we cancel the crypto payout for the day and not bring your balance negative. This is done by subtracting the whole crypto payout for the day.  Again, on our dime.


Are any of those two variable wrong in regard to your payout? As we checked. They are correct.

[Zoomhash_michael]

you still dont think its a good thing to show the proof and simply link to a page not containing  your information

I have no idea what you are talking about. The product you bought was a virtual miner parked on clevermining for 1 year with a maintenance fee of 0.08USD per MHs which we dropped to 0.06USD. Nothing else was ever promised. Do you disagree on this?

EDIT Additional point: What are your claims against us? Please pick one:

1. We are not providing the correct payout.
2. We are taking too much in maintenance fees.

but hey this is exactly what we are looking for so keep up the great work


and this would also mean that your company is functioning at a zero profit?

great communications between you and the customer also
my compliments

What does the profitability of our company have to do with this? The product you bought was a virtual miner parked on clevermining for 1 year with a maintenece fee of 0.08USD per MHs which we dropped to 0.06USD. Nothing else was ever promised. Do you disagree on this?

We actually mine with real hardware and can not just increase payouts because we want to. That is characteristic of a ponzi scheme.

[Zoomhash_michael]

We need to ask just very short and clear questions!

if your payouts are exatly "0" and you have stated may times that you pay more then your profit is "0" or below?

Have you even read my previous posts...

but you have REFUSED ascess to your actual payments...

Why is actual payments from www.clevermining.com that is publicly listed not sufficient? That is what you bought. You bought hashes that were parked on clevermining.

so ..... your math


my math is

PUBLIC TRANSPERANCY
PROOF
AND INFORMATIVE KNOLEDGE TO ALL
AND AS THE COLLECTIVE RESOURSCES GATHER THIS BUNDLE OF INFO IM SURE THERE ARE SEVERAL
DIRECTLY INTERESTED  GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THAT WILL ADORE THE CHANCE TO AUDIT WHAT HAS BEEN HIDDEN.

oh and where is the extortion factor is all of this? I forgot?

the authorities are very interested and know how to handle this


and as always

Have a Nice day





p.s.
the  official website will be online tomorrow so stay tuned

You find a reputable escrow service provider that is at least a hero member and has at least 15+ positive feedbacks on this forum to judge this dispute. And a member since 2013.

I will deposit 4 BTC with the escrow holder for him to decide on who to give it to.

We present him the case.

He decides who keeps the BTC. You or me.

Also, I will contact my law firms in the Philippines if you do not stop harassing us.  I do not like scammers, especially ones that try to take advantage of our generosity.

[Zoomhash_michael]

my burden of proof has already been verified by the needed
your burden of proof is yours not mine so please take your own responsibilities






and as always


 have a nice day

Have you even read the product description of the virtual miners?

[rebuilder]

Just popped in to say, good job keeping polite with this troll, Zoomhash_michael. From reading this thread, it's pretty clear who's being unreasonable, and it's not you.