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* (BTC) Bitcoin (https://bitcoin.org/en/)
* (DRK) Darkcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0)
* (VTC) Vertcoin  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=404364.0)
* (XMR) Monero (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0)

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 * (SDC) ShadowCash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.0), Thanx to @LongAndShort
 * (BTCD) Bitcoin Dark (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684090.0)  - with Teleport (http://wiki.supernet.org/wiki/Teleport) (is a set of blockchain technologies built on top of Bitcoin Dark). Thanx to @Zer0Sum
 * (BBR) Boolberry (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.0), Thanx to @Este_Nuno
 * (XDN) DarkNote (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=788916.0), Thanx to @dNote
 * (NEOS) Neoscoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=757984.0). Thanx to me.
 * (DOGED) DogeCoinDark (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817937.0). Thanx to me.
 * (FCN) Fantomcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=598823.0). Thanx to me.
 * (NAV) NavajoCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=679791.0). Thanx to @Sall.
 * (PTS) BitShares (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325261.0). - by default with TITAN (http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/TITAN). Thanx to @monsterer.
 * (ANC) Anoncoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287.0). Thanx to me.
 * (TIPS) Fedoracoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=391192). Thanx to me.
 * (BCN) Bytecoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.0). Thanx to me.
 * (QCN) Quazarcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615732). Thanx to me.
 * (PINK) PinkCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=836437.0). Thanx to me.
 * (CRYPT) CryptCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881008.0). Thanx to me.
 * (OC) Orangecoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581894.0). Thanx to me.
 * (CINNI) Cinnicoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.0). Thanx to me.
 * (VRC) Vericoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=602041.0). Thanx to me.
 * (CLOAK) Cloakcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823143.0). Thanx to me.
 * (XC) XCurrency (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.0). Thanx to me.
 * (SUPERCOIN) Supercoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=875651.0). Thanx to me.
 * (CRD) Credits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634403.0). Thanx to me.
 * (MAMM) MammothCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=635751.0). Thanx to me.
 * (XST) Stealthcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=836009). Thanx to me.



Additionally, two public mixers:

* http://bitcoinshuffle.info
* http://bitcoinmixer.info

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Here https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewforum.php?f=6 - can be found forum of CryptoNoteCoin protocol dev. team. There are up-to 10 untraceable cryptocurrencies CryptoNoteCoin's protocol-based.

 [Poll] What anonymous coin will succed? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=568166.0) - similar to this Poll

 [DRK/XMR/SDC] Summary explaning differencies between best anon coins (MUST READ)  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985039.0;all)

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Push your coin into comments, will be added soon.

 * (SDC) ShadowCash (http://shadow.cash)
  Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.0) | White Paper (http://shadow.cash/downloads/shadowcash-anon.pdf)

None is truly untraceable. It makes them harder to trace, thats all.
Given sufficient resources, any one can be traced.

Good point. Added

Up!

Add "I have nothing to hide" option, thanks!

Welcome! Added

If you have nothing to hide can you please post all you email addressees with their usernames and password, I'd also like to peruse your bank account transactions, so can you also include your online bank login details... While you're at it can you post your social networking details and open them up to the public (Facebook etc)... Also throw in any other personal details you can think of i.e details of family members, your medical history, your home address, where you work etc...

Don't worry I won't steal any money, I just want to know everything you're doing and all your past personal history...

You can call me Mr Facebook and I may sell this information to companies you would not want to have it 😉

I think you see my point! Privacy is a right for good reason.

If you post these details I'll believe you really have nothing to hide, if you don't I'll believe you have come to realise how much your privacy means to you.

In the end the true prevailing anonymizing feature will not be something run over a Altchain (I question the purpose of existence of every Altcoin that only promotes an anonymizing feature), but rather a protocol like the currently still unreleased Zerocoin/Zerocash, or the recently tested "Coin Shuffle" will bring anonymity in a much more convenient and consistent manner directly on the Bitcoin blockchain.
Just give it time  ::)

Added two mixers:

* http://bitcoinshuffle.info
* http://bitcoinmixer.info

The amounts of crypto I have are small enough to get into the "nothing to hide" category.

If I'd have 100k BTC, I could just make 1000 wallets and nobody would care about me.

If I'd rob an exchange or I'd be a drug dealer I'd just switch everything to Monero.

*(SDC) ShadowCash

BTCD - with Privacy Servers, Telepods, Dead Drop Addresses, Cloning/Clonesmear, Standard Denominations.

The base currency of SuperNET... and big sleeper in the anon sweepstakes.

http://wiki.supernet.org/wiki/Teleport

Thank you very much. Added.

DarknetSpace

(SDC) ShadowCash WITHOUT A DOUBT

True, and I agree with this but the anonymity of bitcoin depends on how you use it, and you can be very secure if you're careful, but not if you're not  :D.

Every *coin can be traced , because every altcoin have a block explorer / blockchain ; I think that you wanted to ask :


Which coin have the best " transactions privacy"? 


Or something like that.

SDC is current state of the art. And still under the radar as all the ALT scams have poisoned the overall spirit on ALT's somewhat. But my vehicle of choice for private transfer of value

To add up on you:
http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2nu9rg/darkcoin_anoncoin_shadowcash_monero/

The type of people that don't care about government (or any form of) invasion of privacy, under the guise of keeping us safe because they have 'nothing to hide', are the exact same type of people that allowed Hitler to rise to power.

Vote for the Monero,it has best privacy

Boolberry(BBR) for unlinkable inputs and BTCD's Teleport for network level anonymity and other features(definitely not TOR) used together via SuperNET.

That will be the best way afaict at this point.

XMR is approaching usable privacy, gradually.  I2P integration will be a watershed event.  Please support development.

SDC nothing even comes close,and it's built from scratch not a bytecoin clone.

Raw demo footage captured in real time and edited to avoid waiting during confirmations.

Two separate wallets (sender and receiver) were used, one situated on a VM.

Demo 1:

SDC to Shadow

http://youtu.be/L-wzkIQKueY

TX : http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/tx/df3e58111719430e2864d4e3e10600610a8e9c17ffe7fc14da038db0a044436e

Demo 2:

Shadow to Shadow

http://youtu.be/J6j9WvX-O24

TX: http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/tx/f486a768b2082c5c6d733c8203ef037532c1c94994f2af46db4911d6b8d4e3c2

Demo 3:

Shadow to SDC

http://youtu.be/HnAFQVMREps

TX: http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/tx/fa64b0f13a594b56e9ab0a606f2142aa79689f045b646f9448424d8e02fe17bf
   

I want to vote for ShadowCash (SDC) also.  But I don't know how to vote, is it over?

For those who don't know ShadowCash yet, this is how it works: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1yX2jN618Rnzs4g2ri_utdKdHbny6-xnRcPhOuhLNGB0/edit?pli=1#slide=id.g577a31a2a_086

Also white paper is here: http://shadow.cash/downloads/shadowcash-anon.pdf

Also ShadowCash has the first GUI wallet for a cryptonote based anon-coin.  The wallet is amazing and has an encrypted messaging system called ShadowChat built into it as well.  They plan to add voice, video, and file support in the future too. The devs have also created the first ever proof-of-stake Android wallet.  Also the devs have decided the next implementation will be a decentralized marketplace inside the wallet, kind of like OpenBazaar.  Yet the anonymity SDC affords over BTC offers even more potential for this new marketplace.

Pretty cool project for the lack of attention it has gotten so far.  Check it out: http://shadow.cash/

I don't use any coin for that feature. But if I did, it would be Monero. I support it fully!

What? There have been many different cryptonote GUI wallets released over the last 6 months or so.

There have?  Which ones?  I know Monero does not have a GUI wallet, but only a web based wallet.  But SDC wallet is amazing, with many advanced features like encrypted chat, and soon to be a decentralized marketplace.

Monero has more than one GUI. Just not an official one yet.

I know Boolberry has had a wallet for a long time now and they just had a guy redo it and upgrade it too. I don't know any details but I think Bytecoin(scam) and Quazar(dead?) had GUI wallets a long time ago too.

Also some dude made a windows .NET XMR wallet back in the summer. Like the person above said, it's just not an official wallet from the XMR devs.

what we learn from the poll: 
rpietilla has 74 sockpuppets

Thanks, always nice to read people I never met pretending that I don't exist.

i dont exist either, it seems.

also, if you dont own monero by now after all the things that happened around it on this forum the last months and price being so low, im sorry to say but you are not very smart.

look at what theymos says about monero :


Other bitcoin devs have said similar things.

Go check it out. Otherwise you'll be as ashamed as those who considered bitcoin as monopoly money a few years ago

I don't exist 8)


ETA:  I bought Monero before rpietila did:)

I voted for DRK.

Also I'm thinking to invest in DRK to set up a masternode. DRK will be a major coin...

nope. it is as good a coin as the ptolemaic system was good to depict the cosmos. but do as you wish. you're free to believe anything you want. even if its wrong.

for those who are looking for the truth :

passive privacy system > any mixing system.

Why?

Because an active privacy system is subject to regulation.

Thank you, added new coin (BBR) Boolberry

Your activity looks too low. Probably you are unable to vote, yet. This is bitcointalk.org restrictions, test the rules.

Thank you for cool links and data. Cheers!

Moneroooooo

Darkcoin.

I have been following the developer and his very clear commitment to the project all year. It sits above all the hubris and hyperbole that characterises the comments typical on a thread like this and I think it's eventually likely to become far more mainstream than any other alt.

Darkcoin is my black horse, with so much dedicated dev and so much development with stable and increasing dev team darkcoin is my choice.

Darkcoin

Monero.

Decentralized.

Cryptographically secure.

monero of course, i find others premined shady stuff decorated by nice confetti... :D

Hello, Can you please add XDN DarkNote to poll? Thank you.

Welcome!

Added (XDN) DarkNote,

On 29th Dec top 3 untraceable coins are:
(XMR) Monero = 94 (42.2%)
(DRK) Darkcoin, with Darksend option = 65 (29.1%)
(SDC) ShadowCash =     31 (13.9%)

And because mixing systems are just electronic shell games.

Problem is, computers are very good at untangling shell games using Sudoku type solutions, Sybil attacks, etc.

voted for Monero.  :)

If you know me, you know where I stand.  I despise scams and bad math.  That leaves only one.

Writcoin™ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776426.0) was designed by an anarchist communist: its transactions are not required to reference other transactions.

...on earth.

Writcoin™ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776426.0) creates a heterarchical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterarchy) monetary authority (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_authority) by permitting its end users to “spend” money into existence—approximating anarchist communism (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/revpamphlets/anarchistcommunism.html).

Monero

Could you share more information, i'll add it to poll. How should it looks?

“Bitcoin Core for Writcoin™ (Great Empire Coin [GEC]) proxying through Tor® on big-endian hardware only ever spending new money into existence”

It’s thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776426.0) has it’s information.

How is BBR with full network level anonymity via Telepathy scam or bad math?

Looks to me like it's a similar way of achieving what using XMR with I2P integration is aiming for.

what is the purpose of bitcoindark? ive asked the question on the bitcointalk thread and people said bitcoindark was better technology than cryptonote

if bitcoindark is superior to cn, why use cn ?
if its not, why promote bitcoindark ?

Bitcoindark's Telepathy is a network technology over UDP that enables people to send encrypted messages with no identifiable data(no IP, no user info ect). And through that you can use Teleport to wrap up a transaction and there's other features there to help protect against common attacks like sybil, mantissa ect. What it doesn't do yet as far as I know is provide any way to guarantee you're inputs are clean. That's where BBR comes in. BBR doesn't have any sort of protection on a network level as far as I know, but it goes have unlinkable transactions and ring signatures. So from what I can tell so far the strongest anonymity is going to be combining the two technologies via SuperNET.

Monero developers obviously see the value in providing that network level anonymity as they are working on integrating I2P which may achive a similar result. I'm not too familiar with I2P but I'll be interested in comparing how the two methods work out.

For most people they'll probably be able to achieve a level of anonymity they're comfortable with by just using XMR, BBR, or BTCD via Teleport alone. But some people will want to go the distance and try to fully protect their privacy.

Telepathy/Teleport is completely different than CN tech so I don't think you can say one or the other is better or worse as they tackle different aspects of anonymity. Jl777 knew that if he could combine both that the result would be very strong, so that's how the original idea of SuperNET was born. That and seeing the advantages of financial and technical collaboration anyway.

There's a Telepathy/Teleport whitepaper(not the 'darkpaper', which was just a now outdated informal attempt to explain) that I've read that's all but finished expect for the final touches from a math person that was paid to add some quantitative analysis to it. Actually it might have already been released, I have no idea. I haven't seen the final version with the math though, only the qualitative description.

You are making a fair point, as I think BBR and XMR are similarly robust cryptographically.  If BBR was on the list, I should have noticed this and modulated my comment accordingly.
However, I haven't seen enough of Telepathy to form an opinion about it, so I am stuck with very unfavorable priors.  My priors on I2P are much more favorable.
Any preference I have for XMR over BBR (over TCP directly) is on grounds unrelated to privacy.

How this should sound better: "Use XMR over I2P" ?

Found "new" coin called "NEOS"   Neoscoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=757984.0).

Transfer / exchange between many different coins, including some who may have died after you've done it.

Not sure if that is one of the options.. but may work.

See, I've mentioned that in this option: "Multiply alt-coins, by one of exchange, with 50% loses in prices."

My guess is XMR and DRK ,but the anonymity thing is rather suspect

Monero, ring signatures are the way to go and its the one with the biggest support.

Bitcoin chain of addresses is dumb, you can always end up finding the original address.

The rest arent as anonymous or lowly supported.

To be honest i feel like DRK has the best chance of achieving anonymity first, Evan is a smart and committed dev who takes the technology seriously, doesn't just use it as a marketing ploy like some of the coins on the poll

Looks like the target can be achieved by similar to "Tor project"'s idea. The more peoples use it, the merrier...

New coin:

 * (DOGED) DogeCoinDark (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817937.0).

Surprising how many people don't know about Shadowcoin. They don't seem to do much marketing, but i think their anon is now comparable to cryptnote coins. I find the client a lot more user-friendly too.

This is the one you should be looking at.

Bitshares has anonymous transactions by default.

http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/TITAN

https://i.imgur.com/rUrBYbg.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=679791.0

Navajo and Darkcoin are probably the most untraceable ones

+1 to Navajo.

ShadowCash  The first and only truly anonymous POS coin. 

New coins:


 * (NAV) NavajoCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=679791.0). Thanx to @Sall.
 * (PTS) BitShares (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325261.0). Thanx to @monsterer.
 * (ANC) Anoncoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287.0). Thanx to me.
 * (TIPS) Fedoracoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=391192). Thanx to me.
 * (BCN) Bytecoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.0). Thanx to me.
 * (QCN) Quazarcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615732). Thanx to me.
 * (PINK) PinkCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=836437.0). Thanx to me.
 * (CRYPT) CryptCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881008.0). Thanx to me.
 * (OC) Orangecoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581894.0). Thanx to me.
 * (CINNI) Cinnicoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.0). Thanx to me.
 * (VRC) Vericoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=602041.0). Thanx to me.
 * (CLOAK) Cloakcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823143.0). Thanx to me.
 * (XC) XCurrency (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.0). Thanx to me.
 * (SUPERCOIN) Supercoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=875651.0). Thanx to me.
 * (CRD) Credits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634403.0). Thanx to me.
 * (MAMM) MammothCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=635751.0). Thanx to me.
 * (XST) Stealthcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=836009). Thanx to me.

Maybe poll is too old, but if active i would like to vote for OK  ;D

Add KARBO - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1491747.0 Interesting project, excellent development, anonymity, speed, convenience

I did not know we have a long list of untraceable cryptocurrencies and that too without being updated for a very long time. But this is a dead thread as no one posted anything in this for a very long time. I have not heard about most of the coins here and i am not even sure whether most of the coins listed are still in existence.