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Title: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Agestorzrxx on December 29, 2014, 05:53:15 AM
Except oil and weapon, what things does Russian really have?
We all see that Russian is really weak in recently oil price crash.
The exchange rate of ruble and the inflation in Russian as follow the  oil price crash imply that Russian is just a third - rate country who depends on selling cheap resources.
After the Soviet Union collapsed, the Economic of Russian growth just benefit from the oil price risen.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: saddampbuh on December 29, 2014, 08:53:55 AM
beautiful girls


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: carlosiness on December 29, 2014, 09:18:42 AM
Cheap resources due to large land, which gives a lot of money for war machines. This country could be nr1, but we see what we have..
Russia has good old literature and beautiful chicks


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: noobtrader on December 29, 2014, 09:31:22 AM
u all miss one important thing that you always seem to forget

VODKA  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Agestorzrxx on December 29, 2014, 10:09:58 AM
Come on, guys.
You know what I mean.
As you can find lots of things which made in China.
And use lots of things made by USA or service by USA as google.
And Japan's camera……。
I only just want to say, Russian is far from a dominant country。
It's just a Third rate country.
And that why I despise Putin.
 


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: carlosiness on December 29, 2014, 10:24:17 AM
Come on, guys.
You know what I mean.
As you can find lots of things which made in China.
And use lots of things made by USA or service by USA as google.
And Japan's camera……。
I only just want to say, Russian is far from a dominant country。
It's just a Third rate country.
And that why I despise Putin.
  

fully agree, but also russian are good at cosmic odyssey, or used to be in cold war... machines were stolen from europe, like fiat == vaz, and so on..


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: MS.drawing on December 29, 2014, 10:38:29 AM
few things russian have : good weapons (S200, S300 and S400 are impressive)
                                   autonomy
                                   great partners (china, iran, india, south africa, brazil argentina)
                                   faith (?)
                                   the largest country  and a growing population (interesting demographic until 1990)
                                   one of the best actual president  (?)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Balthazar on December 29, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
For thinking individuals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un5rsKFo7Xo

For trolls: http://natribu.org/en/


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on December 29, 2014, 11:10:31 AM
People should investigate, where the roots of some of the technology that they use come from. A lot of Russian innovation in technology, medicine found its way to the West, but as USSR didn't allow individual inventors to take patents,  these inventions were "adopted" by Western scientists and with minor modifications promoted as their own.

Russia after USSR's collapse was in a wholesale destruction mode by the Western transnats and local criminal barons, oligarchs, like Khodorkovskij, so innovation was understandably crippled. Come back and ask this question in 5 year's time, once Russia is back on track - it's already going in leaps and bounds, if you care to read Russian papers (Western journals don't re-print/translate).

Russian aviation (this year Russian Far Aviation celebrates 100 year anniversary) was leading. In USSR there were 4 competing construction bureau, with many brilliant airplanes. This was largely destroyed during Yeltsin/USA reign, and the innovation in the aviation industry is basically being rebuilt from scratch now.

PS: What things does USA have? I almost never see "Made in USA" on any of the products. ;)
PSS: About currency. Did you see how Norwegian krone developed recently? Hint: the same way as rouble, yet the country is for some reason rated as AAA.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: BADecker on December 29, 2014, 11:17:26 AM
They have their land, right down to the center of the earth. The real question is, Which of them are going to benefit from what they have?

:)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: blablahblah on December 29, 2014, 11:18:41 AM
good weapons

and bad people?


People should investigate, where the roots of some of the technology that they use come from. A lot of Russian innovation in technology, medicine found its way to the West, but as USSR didn't allow individual inventors to take patents,  these inventions were "adopted" by Western scientists and with minor modifications promoted as their own.

I'm sure the USSR would approve. Share and share alike.

After WW2, the USSR somehow had ICBMs at a time when the "more advanced" US was forced to rely on planes with nukes constantly circling around the USSR. How was that possible? Easy, the USSR "shared" the German technology from them.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on December 29, 2014, 11:25:18 AM
May be of interest (in the light of the general information blockade of Russia): http://innovation.gov.ru/ ;)

Heard of LHC of CERN? Some parts were built in Russia.
Heard of American Atlas V rocket? Its engines are Russian RD-180.
Heard of Rosatom? Building new nuclear powerplants, that are more secure than ever.
Already mentioned aviation industry (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%8B%D1%88%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8) in a post above.
There is also car industry (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%8B%D1%88%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8) and car exports from Russia.
Like energy efficient LED lighting? Check out Russian Optogan http://www.optogan.com/ that delivers lighting products all over the world.
Measuring of radiation in the environment and nitrates in food? Sure. http://soeks.ru/  http://www.soeks.co.uk/
Revelop in C# or Ruby? http://www.jetbrains.com/


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Agestorzrxx on December 29, 2014, 12:48:42 PM
                                  great partners (china, iran, india, south africa, brazil argentina)
                              
You call these country are great partners?
All these country you list none of them are first rate counrty.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on December 29, 2014, 03:57:22 PM
The OP started with natural resources, so let me expand on that.

True, Russia has a lot of oil and gas and exports of it is a lion's share of foreign currency income. An interesting aside: Russian budget for 2015 takes oil price of $80 as a reference. The government said, though, that for 2016 the state budget will take oil price of $40 as a reference, and will rely on other things to continue keeping Russian economy at a growing trend.

But there are more resources in Russia. Palladium is only prospected for there, and the current world price is kept low (a hint for those who invest in precious metals). Russian gold reserve is replenished not only from buying, but also from active prospecting. The biggest finds, are, by the way, not melted, but are kept on display (see the documentary below).

Russian gold reserve is kept in what is known as "The Diamond Fund", indicating, an even more important resource. By the way, the following documentary about it is a must-watch: it has an interesting narrative, but even if you don't understand Russian, skim through it - it has footage from many vaults and place, previously closed to the cameras.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGOtFphPLzc

But the main, and most important thing that Russia has, are its people - friendly, open-hearted, ready to help, often naïve, but with the perseverence that has Russia going despite everything that history had thrown at it.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: criptix on December 29, 2014, 04:30:09 PM
Didnt see anyone mention it yet:

Siberia and not just because it is the perfect location for gulags


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: HeroCat on December 29, 2014, 04:38:54 PM
Russia have oil, gas and vodka. Most important export products are oil and gas of course.  ;D


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: MS.drawing on January 03, 2015, 10:18:40 AM
                                  great partners (china, iran, india, south africa, brazil argentina)
                              
You call these country are great partners?
All these country you list none of them are first rate counrty.
For the futur is better to be in a first rate growing its better for business ^^


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: panju1 on January 03, 2015, 10:24:57 PM
Russia has muscle and is not afraid to flex it.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Agestorzrxx on January 04, 2015, 03:51:51 AM
Russia has muscle and is not afraid to flex it.
The muscle can't help the fall of the Ruble and the economy of Russian.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: saddampbuh on January 04, 2015, 08:44:11 AM
I wonder, are Russian women permitted to have opinions?

Because this forum is constantly flooded with male propagandists such as 247CryptIdiot and ZeroBrain1024, yet if Russia is so... "advanced" and "civilised" then where are all their enlightened liberal* women?

*For the US people, lower-case "liberal" does not mean what you think it means.
yes they have opinions i have one on skype and it supports that navalny idiot which i'm not pleased about but its too friendly and beautiful to delete


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: GGGGG on January 04, 2015, 09:34:44 AM
The OP started with natural resources, so let me expand on that.

True, Russia has a lot of oil and gas and exports of it is a lion's share of foreign currency income. An interesting aside: Russian budget for 2015 takes oil price of $80 as a reference. The government said, though, that for 2016 the state budget will take oil price of $40 as a reference, and will rely on other things to continue keeping Russian economy at a growing trend.

But there are more resources in Russia. Palladium is only prospected for there, and the current world price is kept low (a hint for those who invest in precious metals). Russian gold reserve is replenished not only from buying, but also from active prospecting. The biggest finds, are, by the way, not melted, but are kept on display (see the documentary below).

Russian gold reserve is kept in what is known as "The Diamond Fund", indicating, an even more important resource. By the way, the following documentary about it is a must-watch: it has an interesting narrative, but even if you don't understand Russian, skim through it - it has footage from many vaults and place, previously closed to the cameras.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGOtFphPLzc

But the main, and most important thing that Russia has, are its people - friendly, open-hearted, ready to help, often naïve, but with the perseverence that has Russia going despite everything that history had thrown at it.

This comment really makes sense. Russia has been deep in the shit too many times last century. It keeps going still.

Russia has muscle and is not afraid to flex it.
The muscle can't help the fall of the Ruble and the economy of Russian.

Trust me, Russians aren't scared of the falling ruble. They've been through several global and local wars, years of widespread famine, broad tyranny and destroying economic crisis of 90s, so the fall of ruble can't do much to this country.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: coinits on January 04, 2015, 09:54:35 AM
For thinking individuals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un5rsKFo7Xo

For trolls: http://natribu.org/en/

Thanks for that. I've been trying to talk this into other's heads without much success. People in Western Canada are losing their jobs en mass because of oil prices falling yet believe the western government narrative on the Ukraine and that Saudi Arabia is responsible for falling oil prices.

The truth is the problem is that the USA is a world bully hell bent of keeping the US Dollar as the reserve currency at all costs.

This was all predicted by Joel Skousen and he gives it approximately 6 years before we have full blown WW3 with nukes. I hope that he is wrong but he saw this coming before it started. He also says that China will form a strategic alliance with Russia against the West in the next couple of years.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: panju1 on January 04, 2015, 10:30:15 PM
Russia has muscle and is not afraid to flex it.
The muscle can't help the fall of the Ruble and the economy of Russian.

That doesn't worry the people. Putin's support among his people hasn't fallen because of this.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: sickhouse on January 04, 2015, 11:16:42 PM
Russia has muscle and is not afraid to flex it.
The muscle can't help the fall of the Ruble and the economy of Russian.
Not that easy to maintain an economy when you are being frozen out of trading with the European Union and the US. Maybe they will do what US did when their economy started to fail and invade country after country?  :o


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: EvilPanda on January 05, 2015, 01:42:39 AM
Russia has muscle and is not afraid to flex it.
The muscle can't help the fall of the Ruble and the economy of Russian.
Not that easy to maintain an economy when you are being frozen out of trading with the European Union and the US. Maybe they will do what US did when their economy started to fail and invade country after country?  :o

Maintaining an army as big as theirs is expensive. They probably can't wait to use, that's why they're flexing, flying their bombers to Britain, pushing on Ukrakine and performing maneuvers near the border.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Agestorzrxx on January 05, 2015, 04:28:48 AM
Russia has muscle and is not afraid to flex it.
The muscle can't help the fall of the Ruble and the economy of Russian.

That doesn't worry the people. Putin's support among his people hasn't fallen because of this.
Don't forget how the Soviet Union collapse.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Inotanewbie on January 05, 2015, 04:41:28 AM
Russia has muscle and is not afraid to flex it.
The muscle can't help the fall of the Ruble and the economy of Russian.
Not that easy to maintain an economy when you are being frozen out of trading with the European Union and the US. Maybe they will do what US did when their economy started to fail and invade country after country?  :o
Military invasions are very expensive and will not necessarily work. The fact that they are largely shut out of the global market means they will have difficulty funding and gathering the necessary resources to supply their war machine


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: pattu1 on January 05, 2015, 05:22:54 PM
Russia has muscle and is not afraid to flex it.
The muscle can't help the fall of the Ruble and the economy of Russian.
Not that easy to maintain an economy when you are being frozen out of trading with the European Union and the US. Maybe they will do what US did when their economy started to fail and invade country after country?  :o
Military invasions are very expensive and will not necessarily work. The fact that they are largely shut out of the global market means they will have difficulty funding and gathering the necessary resources to supply their war machine

A veto in the UN Security Council can work wonders.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 06, 2015, 09:11:03 PM
Military invasions are very expensive and will not necessarily work. The fact that they are largely shut out of the global market means they will have difficulty funding and gathering the necessary resources to supply their war machine

Should that become necessary, can you point out which resources Russia would lack and would need gathering? As for funding...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGOtFphPLzc

Maintaining an army as big as theirs is expensive. They probably can't wait to use, that's why they're flexing, flying their bombers to Britain, pushing on Ukrakine and performing maneuvers near the border.

You are putting the cart before the horse here. First, Russian military expenses are not that large, and the end-year reports were that they will be further reduced in 2015 - the military would be made more efficient by utilising the resources better.

Second, the "flexing" as you call it, is a standard military procedure for all countries designed to see how the opponents are doing. What do you think American military planes doing near the Russian border, and sometimes venturing into Russian airspace over the Pacific? Sightseeing? (A relevant read showing what this can lead to (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Incident-Sakhalin-True-Mission-Flight/dp/1568580541/)) Another such example is Georgian invasion of South Ossetia - one of its missions was for NATO to test Russian defences and response-readiness.

It's when Western MSM start blaring about these routine fly-bys is that you know that NATO/US is looking to an excuse to increase its military spendings...

And as for Ukraine... The anniversary of the US-lead violent coup d'etat is close, and the sooner USA gets the hell out of Ukraine, the better. Or does Russia need to start getting involved in Mexico?


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Inotanewbie on January 07, 2015, 05:44:46 AM
Russia has muscle and is not afraid to flex it.
The muscle can't help the fall of the Ruble and the economy of Russian.
Not that easy to maintain an economy when you are being frozen out of trading with the European Union and the US. Maybe they will do what US did when their economy started to fail and invade country after country?  :o

Maintaining an army as big as theirs is expensive. They probably can't wait to use, that's why they're flexing, flying their bombers to Britain, pushing on Ukrakine and performing maneuvers near the border.
Using their army is even more expensive. I think they would probably quickly run out of resources if they were to invade any major country, especially considering the trade sanctions that has recently been put upon them


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 07, 2015, 12:02:40 PM
Using their army is even more expensive. I think they would probably quickly run out of resources if they were to invade any major country, especially considering the trade sanctions that has recently been put upon them

I see that the sanctions hype is working for the Western audience, so the main goal is achieved by the US. :)

Oh, and a newsflash: Russia was not and still is not planning to invade anyone. Even in the face of the American/Nazi aggression in Ukraine, Russia still prefers diplomatic solutions, as was demonstrated by her actions over the last year.

As for resources, see my post above.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Agestorzrxx on January 07, 2015, 12:32:22 PM
Using their army is even more expensive. I think they would probably quickly run out of resources if they were to invade any major country, especially considering the trade sanctions that has recently been put upon them

I see that the sanctions hype is working for the Western audience, so the main goal is achieved by the US. :)

Oh, and a newsflash: Russia was not and still is not planning to invade anyone. Even in the face of the American/Nazi aggression in Ukraine, Russia still prefers diplomatic solutions, as was demonstrated by her actions over the last year.

As for resources, see my post above.
Russian want invade all other country.
Fortunately, Russian is not strong anymore, and it has no ability to invade other country .
With the continues low price of oil, Russian may collapse again.
That is good for everyone.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 07, 2015, 12:42:08 PM
Russian want invade all other country.
Fortunately, Russian is not strong anymore, and it has no ability to invade other country .
With the continues low price of oil, Russian may collapse again.
That is good for everyone.

You just keep on believing it...  :D

Norwegian Defence minister reported to the Parliament yesterday that Russia is not intending to do harm to Norway, despite the increased power, responsiveness and manoeuvrability of its army, whereas before Russian army was considered to be rather slow.

So those, who are in charge in the West are taking Russia seriously - why else do you think all this howling was raised in Natostan? ;)

And I get a feeling that it is Russia that is driving the oil price down, with its increased domestic production...



Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bellicose on January 08, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
Land

http://www.arendator.ru/files/Image/ARTYOM/zemlya.jpg

1/6 of total The Earth's Land is Russia.

http://img11.nnm.ru/2/d/e/2/4/f39a32107a1770f2090ab4c6b0d.jpg


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: pitham1 on January 09, 2015, 01:06:22 AM
Land
1/6 of total The Earth's Land is Russia.

http://img11.nnm.ru/2/d/e/2/4/f39a32107a1770f2090ab4c6b0d.jpg

Unfortunately it is not fertile/cultivated.
Russia still depends on the EU for importing food.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 09, 2015, 11:23:41 AM
Land
1/6 of total The Earth's Land is Russia.

Unfortunately it is not fertile/cultivated.
Russia still depends on the EU for importing food.

A lot of it is fertile, but not cultivated, and something is done about it now, reverting the destructive agricultural policy, inherited from Yeltsin era.
Russia depends on import, yes, but not from EU. Whatever it imported from EU is easily replaced by imports from other countries. It is more of a case of EU being dependent on exports to Russia - why else would Russia be beating away smuggling attempts from EU?
Btw, you'll notice quite a large number of foodstuff on EU store shelves to be imported as well. ;)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: laitela on January 09, 2015, 11:24:58 AM
Gold?
I think I read from somewhere that they have bought a lot gold.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Balthazar on January 09, 2015, 11:37:12 AM
They don't need to buy it anywhere, while mining is cheaper than buying.

http://cdn.sbcgold.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/dmitry-medvedev-gold-bricks.jpg


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Pagan on January 10, 2015, 04:57:03 PM
Russian really have only 2 things - duraki & dorogi  ;D

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Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: galbros on January 10, 2015, 05:24:33 PM
u all miss one important thing that you always seem to forget

VODKA  ;D ;D ;D

This was the first thing I thought of as well.  Girls and oil is also a good.  Kind of a bad ass "president" as well.

Lots of minerals in Siberia and a growing relationship with China.

I think they'll be okay.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 10, 2015, 05:29:13 PM
Except oil and weapon, what things does Russian really have?



http://www.mediander.com/images/Ingram/book/978/079/382/882/001/9780793828821.jpg


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 10, 2015, 05:34:24 PM
One other thing, that I didn't put on my prior lists: The Nuclear ice breaker fleet, the only one in the world capable of navigating to anywhere in the frozen Arctic Sea.

About vodka. It is more of an invention coming from the northern territories, from Finlandia. Russia is big, and various types of drinks are consumed across it. Traditionally, Russians drank mjod (honey), beer and kvas, the fist being alcoholic, the second (almost) non-alcoholic.
If you haven't drunk kvas, you haven't tasted Russia. I can recommend Ochakovo, if you manage to come across it:

http://www.ochakovo.ru/en/kvass

Don't forget the typical pre-tale: "я тaм был, мёд-пивo пил, пo ycaм тeклo, дa в poт нe пoпaлo."
"I was there, drank honey and beer, it ran down my moustache, but none ended up in my mouth."


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 18, 2015, 12:28:56 PM
Adding to the list. :)

Russian Kamaz Master occupies 2015 Dakar Rally’s entire podium
http://itar-tass.com/en/russia/771733

http://photocdn3.itar-tass.com/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20150117/1078890.jpg


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: girb16 on January 18, 2015, 03:04:47 PM
Russian makes the best space rockets! That's why America is buying 60 from Russia for 1 billion dollars!
Oh yeah. and beautiful women!


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Wilikon on January 18, 2015, 04:41:10 PM




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Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Rishblitz on January 18, 2015, 05:16:24 PM
Lots of untapped resources.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bellicose on January 18, 2015, 11:13:16 PM
http://img1.labirint.ru/books/400390/big.jpg


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: samaricanin on January 19, 2015, 10:07:58 AM
Adding to the list. :)

Russian Kamaz Master occupies 2015 Dakar Rally’s entire podium
http://itar-tass.com/en/russia/771733

http://photocdn3.itar-tass.com/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20150117/1078890.jpg

Best Trucks


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: picolo on January 19, 2015, 02:13:23 PM
Except oil and weapon, what things does Russian really have?
We all see that Russian is really weak in recently oil price crash.
The exchange rate of ruble and the inflation in Russian as follow the  oil price crash imply that Russian is just a third - rate country who depends on selling cheap resources.
After the Soviet Union collapsed, the Economic of Russian growth just benefit from the oil price risen.


A lot of oil and other natural ressources, still large fiat and gold reserves and almost no debt. They raised the interest rate to 17% and the economy was still functionning. What would happen in Japan, US or Europe if the interest rate goes to 17%?


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: girb16 on January 21, 2015, 08:51:57 AM
Russia has one thing that no other country in the world has: RESOLVE!


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: BillyBobZorton on January 21, 2015, 03:01:03 PM




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Wow that would be perfect for a brainwallet password.
Could use some commas on these names so i could google some of them for research purposes.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Rishblitz on January 24, 2015, 01:36:22 AM
They have a market that still is fairly new and emerging.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: grendel25 on January 24, 2015, 03:19:24 AM
Russia is rich in history, culture and resources.  And much much more.  Russia is a beautiful country.  Unfortunately, they have a nasty habit of expansionism and for some reason (Stockholm syndrome?) those they expand into end up converting into proud Soviets.

But whatever.  Russia has a whole lot going for it but they aren't immune to the foolishness of leaders that tend to gamble and out do their own reach.  Russia needs to be more diplomatic and remember all they history lessons they have taught others.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: shluher on January 29, 2015, 04:35:22 AM
Except oil and weapon, what things does Russian really have?
We all see that Russian is really weak in recently oil price crash.
The exchange rate of ruble and the inflation in Russian as follow the  oil price crash imply that Russian is just a third - rate country who depends on selling cheap resources.
After the Soviet Union collapsed, the Economic of Russian growth just benefit from the oil price risen.


VODKA, SNOW, BEARS, PUTIN...


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: freedomno1 on January 29, 2015, 06:58:59 AM
beautiful girls

Largest land mass, unlocked potential, nuclear arms, large natural resource base, geo strategic alliances and despite the EU US boycotts and dispute economic resilience on par with a Western nation, and they can still go to space since the Americans are still riding the Soyuz capsules to the ISS.

Oh and North Korean tourism/debt differences  ;)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31015079

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: fsb4000 on January 29, 2015, 07:26:16 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: BitMos on January 29, 2015, 08:03:47 AM
I don't know what the Russians Officials are going to tell the Russian civilians, including their family and loved ones when the claws of the Empire will fall on their country, taking everything in it's path. This obsession to grow the rmiic is so dangerous. It will cost everything that there is now. Furthermore what's more tragic is the complete inaptitude of certain posters here in realizing it. It appears that in their own illusions they have been trapped. However it appears to me that the Russian patriarchs are committing a grave mistake to take on the USMIIC. the core issue is that as human beings, even if forming a "great" team (bent on using violence against civilians like in Syria, Georgia, Chechenya...) they don't stand against the FORCES they have awaken. Once upon a time human beings could master chess (BootChess is only 487 bytes in size). So dear Russians please tell your great "leaders" to stop now, or at least as fast as possible their hubris. putin like gary, who still can't admit that the game hasn't been mastered by him, because the way he was born, not the way he play (and at a speed that freeze immobility, all moves, all ways, always). 1 or 0, the choice that the Russian faces... it'ain't a game, it's the USMIIC. And what's even more tragic is that there is THE PEACE PROJECT by the USMIIC, but they, the Russian imperialists stand in the path of it. Don't stand in the path of peace, PLEASE.

the thing that Russians, or anyone for the matter should not have, and using force to impose it, is nuclear tactical suit cases. In Short or you work for Annihilation of such terrorists, or you are annihilated. Chips /<3 emp. seriously. btw do they really exist? due to their nature they should leak, and or be able to find. What would the Russian people say if one of those deadly weapon is found in a Russian embassy in a western country... that's the type of relation they want with the rest of the world? high tech terrorists (for Russian scale  8)).


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Balthazar on January 29, 2015, 08:04:40 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS

Quote
As only one GLONASS satellite was ready in time for the launch instead of the expected three, it was decided to launch it along with two mock-ups. The American media reported the event as a launch of one satellite and "two secret objects." For a long time, the Americans could not find out the nature of those "objects".

Ahaha nice trollling :D


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Souldream on January 29, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
Using their army is even more expensive. I think they would probably quickly run out of resources if they were to invade any major country, especially considering the trade sanctions that has recently been put upon them

I see that the sanctions hype is working for the Western audience, so the main goal is achieved by the US. :)

Oh, and a newsflash: Russia was not and still is not planning to invade anyone. Even in the face of the American/Nazi aggression in Ukraine, Russia still prefers diplomatic solutions, as was demonstrated by her actions over the last year.

As for resources, see my post above.

They still prefer diplomatic solutions... LoL i must dream ...

Tell me in Donbass who started to take weapons ? Ho yes old soldier high grade from Russian Army ... who is selling weapons to Pro-russian in East of ...

If he wanted so much diplomatics solution ... tell us why he keep so much troop near the border of Ukrainia .... ? You do diplomatic with Army you ?

I know that deny is a sport in russia ... but Crimea has been well INVADED by RUSSIAN litle Green Men .. LoL either Poutine clamied it during the 6 June comemoration ....

So please stop to propagate false information.

Invasion is when you steal a land with army men ....

Beside that Russia has a bunch of cheap whores ... LoL


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Souldream on January 29, 2015, 12:53:01 PM
They don't need to buy it anywhere, while mining is cheaper than buying.

http://cdn.sbcgold.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/dmitry-medvedev-gold-bricks.jpg

.... why Poutine would want Gold .... he has already all what he wants ... LoL

http://www.putin-itogi.ru/rab-na-galerah/

Not all people have a Flying toilet ... at around 80.000 US$ ....

http://www.putin-itogi.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/1169765984_bort_n_1_21.jpg




Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Souldream on January 29, 2015, 01:06:59 PM
One other thing, that I didn't put on my prior lists: The Nuclear ice breaker fleet, the only one in the world capable of navigating to anywhere in the frozen Arctic Sea.

About vodka. It is more of an invention coming from the northern territories, from Finlandia. Russia is big, and various types of drinks are consumed across it. Traditionally, Russians drank mjod (honey), beer and kvas, the fist being alcoholic, the second (almost) non-alcoholic.
If you haven't drunk kvas, you haven't tasted Russia. I can recommend Ochakovo, if you manage to come across it:

http://www.ochakovo.ru/en/kvass

Don't forget the typical pre-tale: "я тaм был, мёд-пивo пил, пo ycaм тeклo, дa в poт нe пoпaлo."
"I was there, drank honey and beer, it ran down my moustache, but none ended up in my mouth."


Vodka has been created  in Babylon, Armenia and Georgia ...

You forget just add that during Soviet URSS era ... vodka has been used as propaganda tool ...

Perhaps about Tank from Russia you can explain us too this ... LoL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twq7iFibRaI&feature=youtu.be&t=11m52s

Shit ... russian media posting about russian tank LoL ... Poutine & Lavrov ... there is no russian weapons in Ukrainia ... LoL

So Russian that have big trolls too and biggest liars !

https://en.informnapalm.org/luhansk-shot-head-kremlin-propaganda/



Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: JohnLennon on January 29, 2015, 03:20:00 PM
Ubiquitous Balthazar touts good and raises image of Russia ;D


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bellicose on January 30, 2015, 11:51:18 AM
Vodka has been created  in Babylon, Armenia and Georgia ...

You forget just add that during Soviet URSS era ... vodka has been used as propaganda tool ...


http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/bio_m/mendeleev_dm_iv.jpg

D. Mendeleev - is God Father of Vodka and periodic table of the elements:

http://www.aip.org/history/curie/images/photos/1103-matte.gif

it was his Wet-Dream.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Agestorzrxx on January 30, 2015, 11:56:08 AM
Vodka has been created  in Babylon, Armenia and Georgia ...

You forget just add that during Soviet URSS era ... vodka has been used as propaganda tool ...


http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/bio_m/mendeleev_dm_iv.jpg

D. Mendeleev - is God Father of Vodka and periodic table of the elements:

http://www.aip.org/history/curie/images/photos/1103-matte.gif

it was his Wet-Dream.
Yes D. Mendeleev is a great genius, but his a history.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: BADecker on January 30, 2015, 01:10:06 PM
Russia has the ability to rule the world.

The U.S., Britain and Canada are strong. Yet, their strength lies in deceiving their people. Russia has deception as well. Yet Russia is way more straight-forward with her people than the U.S.  The U.S. uses mass deception with its people. Russia deceives its people some. Then it uses force - strength - to rule them.

You can only deceive people as much as you you can hide the truth from them. The people of Russia know the truth. They know that if they don't respect Mother Russia, she will send out her forces and break the people into little pieces.

In the U.S., the people see a government that has little strength to harm them. But they don't see why. And, because they don't see why, the U.S. government has strength over them, as long as it can deceive its people into thinking that it has strength over them.

The U.S. people are waking up. They are beginning to see that their government doesn't have any strength at all, except that of mass deception. Things like the Internet, Bitcoin and expressions of common law as taught by Bill Thornton (http://1215.org/), Richard Cornforth (http://voidjudgments.com/), and Karl Lentz (http://www.broadmind.org/ and http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/), are showing the people that legally, they can do anything they want... as long as they don't hurt anyone, damage the property of anyone, or break a true contract.

If the American people wanted, they could like overnight, stop paying income taxes and property taxes legally. If they did that, world banks and the U.S. government as we know it would become little tiny entities that had little strength at all. The  State governments would maintain some strength for a while, because the people of each particular State are attached to their State governments more than they are attached to the U.S. government. When this happened, many governments of the world would vie for top world governmental position.

Russia is in the position of next strength. The Russian military is stronger than any other military in the world except that of the U.S.  If the U.S. government collapsed, the U.S. military would wind up having no authority in the world. Russia could take over. Sure, the U.S. military would not collapse over night. But without funds and the general backing of the people - who really don't know or care much about their military - it would collapse.

If Russia were smart in those days, the leaders of their government would humbly appeal to the Russian people for their strength in taking over the world. And when the Russian people decided that it was in their best interests to follow their leaders' requests, Russia would become stronger than ever, from the voluntary backing of her people. The ideals of Marx, Lenin, Stalin and others would be fulfilled. Russian would rule the world.

:)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: cryptocoiner on January 30, 2015, 02:31:58 PM
Russia has a lot of snow. And Putin. That's basicall all =)




Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: BADecker on January 30, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
Russia has a lot of snow. And Putin. That's basicall all =)

Yet, if Russia can maintain its hold on what it has, including Siberia, it has fabulous riches and wealth untold.

:)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: jjacob on January 30, 2015, 03:27:56 PM
Russia has a lot of snow. And Putin. That's basicall all =)

Yet, if Russia can maintain its hold on what it has, including Siberia, it has fabulous riches and wealth untold.

:)

Most of its treasures are under its land. They have to be tapped.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 30, 2015, 03:30:36 PM
Russia has a lot of snow. And Putin. That's basicall all =)

Yet, if Russia can maintain its hold on what it has, including Siberia, it has fabulous riches and wealth untold.

:)

Most of its treasures are under its land. They have to be tapped.

Which is happening all the time, with new infrastructure being constantly added to.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: BADecker on January 30, 2015, 03:41:00 PM
Russia has a lot of snow. And Putin. That's basicall all =)

Yet, if Russia can maintain its hold on what it has, including Siberia, it has fabulous riches and wealth untold.

:)

Most of its treasures are under its land. They have to be tapped.

Which is happening all the time, with new infrastructure being constantly added to.

Yes.

There needs to be knowledge or research of methods for tapping, like how to build drilling rigs for drilling for oil.

There needs to be incentive. Workers need to know how quality work will benefit them. Then they need to be paid a base wage, and an incentive wage based on performance.

There needs to be organization to make the thing work. Government needs to realize that it is people who are doing the work. People work better under freedom and incentives rather than harsh, dictatorial rules.

Russia can do it if the leaders only use their heads.

:)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Souldream on January 30, 2015, 06:51:57 PM
Russia has poor people ...but soon a fresh bridge for a little amount of money ... not much .. 3 Billions  ;D

Quote from: PoutinMadness
The Russian government has awarded the contract for the construction of a $3 billion bridge to Crimea to a longtime ally of President Vladimir Putin.

In a decree published online Friday, the government said that a company owned by Arkady Rotenberg would be given the commission to build a bridge linking Crimea — the Black Sea peninsula that Moscow annexed from Ukraine in March — to mainland Russia.

Costs for the automobile and railroad bridge cannot exceed 212 billion rubles ($3 billion) and it must be completed by December 2018. The government decree does not give any specifics about the design of the bridge or exactly where it will cross the 5-kilometer (3-mile) -wide Kerch Strait, both of which would greatly influence cost.

The contract was given to Rotenberg without the public tenders that are typically mandatory for government-commissioned projects in Russia.

Rotenberg, a childhood friend and longtime judo partner of Putin's, is on the European Union and U.S. sanctions lists.


During this time for angry people ... no worry ... they have answer for them .. LoL

http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/24/2715

Quote from: OgrePoutine
Hard times call for sacrifices. That was the message of Ilya Gaffner, a legislator in Yekaterinburg, on a recent visit to a local grocery store, where he told TV cameras that Russians should consider going on a diet, when faced with rising food prices. “To put it bluntly, if you’re short on money,” Gaffner said, “you need to remember that we’re all Russian citizens—Russian people—and we’ve survived hunger and the cold. We just need to give some thought to our health and eat a bit less.”

Elected to his current post in 2011, Gaffner joined United Russia, the country’s dominant political party, in 2012. Since April 2014, he’s been a member of United Russia’s “Popular Control” project, which conducts “raids” on stores, monitoring consumer prices and compliance with different business laws. Between 2010 and 2011, for instance, United Russia claims to have coordinated almost 2,000 such raids.

On the website for United Russia’s Yekaterinburg regional branch, there is a video of Gaffner’s January 21, 2015, raid, though the embedded news report does not include his controversial advice to “eat less.” Instead, Gaffner can be seen explaining that the steep rise in food prices is a result of Russia’s currency woes.

While Gaffner has refused to talk to the press about his remarks, United Russia’s Yekaterinburg regional director, Viktor Shepty, told Kommersant newspaper that Gaffner spoke “incorrectly,” stressing the need to “think seven times before speaking once.”

On YouTube, the local television report containing Gaffner’s full remarks now has more than 53,000 views and almost 800 comments. Probably because Gaffner emphasized his audience’s “Russianness,” many YouTube users are busy speculating about his ethnicity, suggesting that he might be Jewish (and therefore somehow “compromised,” presumably). Other commenters appear to represent different sides of Russia’s endless Ukraine War trolling. “Hey, Russians, you’re always growling, ‘Everything is ours! We’ll do it all ourselves! We’ll put up with anything for Crimea!’ So what’s up now? Why all the whining?” writes “Stas Gerstas,” attracting 384 “up-votes.”

Still others have found enough fodder for political humor, without turning to the war in Eastern Ukraine. For example, Aleksandr Makhorin, with 305 “up-votes,” writes:

"Next he’ll probably advise the public to drink less, and then to wear our clothes and our shoes more carefully, so we don’t have to replace them as often. Then, he’ll tell us to go to the bathroom less often, to breathe less, to speak less, and, finally, the best option of all, to live a bit less."

As Russia’s economy struggles amidst low oil prices, Western sanctions over Moscow’s policies in Ukraine, and internal political stagnation, episodes like Gaffner’s slip-up are becoming a regular feature of local politics. Earlier this month, asimilar episode took place in St. Petersburg, where the lieutenant governor came under fire for telling citizens to clean up their own streets, when snow-removal crews don’t show up. As Russian consumers continue to feel squeezed by rising prices, and the country’s politicians adjust to the public’s rising expectations of the government, the year promises more gaffes ahead.


Russia no limit for poverty  ;D


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: zezt on January 30, 2015, 09:21:23 PM
Really, spend some time in Russia and then from an opinion!


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Balthazar on January 30, 2015, 11:25:45 PM
Enormous deposits of thorium.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmDMhGWK8Y


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: jjacob on January 31, 2015, 08:17:20 AM
Russia has a lot of snow. And Putin. That's basicall all =)

A lot of countries could do with a strong leader like Putin.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: picolo on January 31, 2015, 11:36:27 AM
Russia has a lot of snow. And Putin. That's basicall all =)

A lot of countries could do with a strong leader like Putin.

They have natural ressources, a large country, patriot citizens, guns, gold and fiat reserves.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 31, 2015, 02:54:14 PM
Yes.

There needs to be knowledge or research of methods for tapping, like how to build drilling rigs for drilling for oil.

There needs to be incentive. Workers need to know how quality work will benefit them. Then they need to be paid a base wage, and an incentive wage based on performance.

There needs to be organization to make the thing work. Government needs to realize that it is people who are doing the work. People work better under freedom and incentives rather than harsh, dictatorial rules.


Russia can do it if the leaders only use their heads.

:)

In the highlighted bit you sound as if you are speaking of USSR during the height of Stalin's rule. True, back then large forced labour force from GULAG system was used. But even then, the Soviet government paid so-called "Northern Money" for volunteers who went to work in the Far East and North. My grandfather was among those working on building up the city of Magadan on the Pacific coast (roughly the same latitude as Oslo and St.Petersburg) and he was paid really well. Many people worked for several years getting "Northern Money" and then moved to Crimea or some other Southern territories, bought a car and property and lived really well.



There was an interesting documentary yesterday about gold:
http://www.1tvrus.com/announce/14054

It covered both the global gold prices, US, Chinese and Russia gold reserves (Russia: 1187 tonnes), and showed a Russian gold mine (and interviewed people working there). It checked the reasons behind the epidemic banker suicides, and why Dominique Strauss-Kahn suffered character assassination. The summary in the above link is a very interesting read in itself!



Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: BADecker on January 31, 2015, 03:16:32 PM
Yes.

There needs to be knowledge or research of methods for tapping, like how to build drilling rigs for drilling for oil.

There needs to be incentive. Workers need to know how quality work will benefit them. Then they need to be paid a base wage, and an incentive wage based on performance.

There needs to be organization to make the thing work. Government needs to realize that it is people who are doing the work. People work better under freedom and incentives rather than harsh, dictatorial rules.


Russia can do it if the leaders only use their heads.

:)

In the highlighted bit you sound as if you are speaking of USSR during the height of Stalin's rule. True, back then large forced labour force from GULAG system was used. But even then, the Soviet government paid so-called "Northern Money" for volunteers who went to work in the Far East and North. My grandfather was among those working on building up the city of Magadan on the Pacific coast (roughly the same latitude as Oslo and St.Petersburg) and he was paid really well. Many people worked for several years getting "Northern Money" and then moved to Crimea or some other Southern territories, bought a car and property and lived really well.



There was an interesting documentary yesterday about gold:
http://www.1tvrus.com/announce/14054

It covered both the global gold prices, US, Chinese and Russia gold reserves (Russia: 1187 tonnes), and showed a Russian gold mine (and interviewed people working there). It checked the reasons behind the epidemic banker suicides, and why Dominique Strauss-Kahn suffered character assassination. The summary in the above link is a very interesting read in itself!



Thank you for this information, which is, at least in part, a confirmation of what I said.

The point is more or less the opposite of this. The point is that people who are paid well, like many in the States, often go off and forget the whys and the wherefores of the wealth that they have obtained. What I mean is, look at California. The tent cities seem to be increasing in size. Many people who were formerly rich according to "money" standards, are now among the poor in the tent cities.

People need to be wise, and not squander the wealth that they receive. Rather, they need to voluntarily share with those who have less than they do. If the people of governments along with the wealthy did this, everyone would live well. And I don't mean to give to people who sit on their butts and act lazy. I mean those who are really in need.

As it is, it seems that there is a "group" who wants to rule the world. And they are making things hard on everyone. If they don't wake up and give real freedom, and real help when it is really needed, they are going to wind up destroying themselves.

:)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: calci on January 31, 2015, 04:03:17 PM
For thinking individuals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un5rsKFo7Xo

For trolls: http://natribu.org/en/

The link for trolls doesn't work now .
What was it ?


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: mriulian on January 31, 2015, 04:06:49 PM
russians? they have just oil and gas ...and siberia :))) maybe they are too big to conqueror.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Souldream on January 31, 2015, 07:18:07 PM
They have broken tanks in Ukrainia ...  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsV16JkyRW4&x-yt-ts=1422579428&x-yt-cl=85114404 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsV16JkyRW4&x-yt-ts=1422579428&x-yt-cl=85114404)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: LusyLi on January 31, 2015, 09:54:59 PM
For thinking individuals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un5rsKFo7Xo

For trolls: http://natribu.org/en/

The link for trolls doesn't work now .
What was it ?
Working... on lots of different languages...


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on June 10, 2015, 06:10:53 AM
Just a small curiosity on this topic. I bought this pair of slippers in Lithuania:
http://stanislavs.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/slippers.jpg
Exceptionally light-weight, this pair is weighing only 120 grams, they represent one "Made in Russia" (in the town of Pskov) consumer product.

The other consumer product I've been eating all winter - sweets "Artpassion" (domestically known under the label of "Vdohnovenije" - "Inspiration"):
http://www.russiantable.com/store/Imported-Russian-Chocolate-%22Vdohnovenie%22-with-Almonds-75%-cocoa__4537-14.html


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: mladen00 on June 10, 2015, 11:22:32 AM
Russia have vodka :), good weapons, beautiful girls, peaceful people's, dignity (''exceptional supreme'' nation(???) doesn't love this)...... and someone that whole free world needs Mr. Putin :)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 10, 2015, 11:30:51 AM
russians? they have just oil and gas ...and siberia :))) maybe they are too big to conqueror.

Russia is rich in almost all the natural resources (Iron ore, Nickel, Gold, Palladium, Platinum, Chromium, Aluminium, Diamonds, Coal.etc) and not just in oil and gas. Unfortunately, they are not utilizing them 100%. And yes, they are the largest country, in terms of surface area, which makes it almost impossible for anyone to conquer Russia.  ;D


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Balthazar on June 10, 2015, 11:54:31 AM
Don't forget about sense of humour.  :)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: pureelite on June 10, 2015, 04:25:36 PM
Except oil and weapon, what things does Russian really have?
We all see that Russian is really weak in recently oil price crash.
The exchange rate of ruble and the inflation in Russian as follow the  oil price crash imply that Russian is just a third - rate country who depends on selling cheap resources.
After the Soviet Union collapsed, the Economic of Russian growth just benefit from the oil price risen.


They have a large territory which provides them with security, shelter, natural resources etc. B*lls of steel, Vodka, Putin, developed millitary industry, many billioners... Did I mention Putin? :D ''A skilled dictator is much more benefficial to it's country than a democracy of idiots'' works very well for Russia by my opinion.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 10, 2015, 04:51:26 PM
''A skilled dictator is much more benefficial to it's country than a democracy of idiots'' works very well for Russia by my opinion.

I'll agree with that.

Compare China with India. In 1950, India was far ahead of China in almost every single aspect. The literacy was higher, income was higher, the health care was better, and even the Indian life expectancy was much higher than that of the Chinese. Now, after 65 years of pure democracy, India is lagging behind China (which is a dictatorship) in every single aspect.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Balthazar on June 10, 2015, 04:56:44 PM
Now, after 65 years of pure democracy, India is lagging behind China (which is a dictatorship) in every single aspect.
I wouldn't say that this comparison is absolutely correct. You can't simply say that some country has a dictatorship while another is a democracy, because the dictatorship and democracy aren't mutually exclusive things. This will sound funny, but dictatorship can be democratic.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 10, 2015, 05:07:29 PM
I wouldn't say that this comparison is absolutely correct. You can't simply say that some country has a dictatorship while another is a democracy. Simply because the dictatorship and democracy are not mutually exclusive. This will sound funny, but dictatorship can be democratic.

India never had a military coup, and the governments were elected in without any election fraud or vote rigging. The army is not very powerful in India. Moreover, India is regarded as one of the best examples of parliamentary democracies in the Asian region. China, on the other hand, was an absolute dictatorship until the early 1990s.

I agree that there can be some cases, where the dictatorship and democracy are not mutually exclusive. But that is not the case with both India and China.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: cryptocoiner on June 11, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
Except oil and weapon, what things does Russian really have?
We all see that Russian is really weak in recently oil price crash.
The exchange rate of ruble and the inflation in Russian as follow the  oil price crash imply that Russian is just a third - rate country who depends on selling cheap resources.
After the Soviet Union collapsed, the Economic of Russian growth just benefit from the oil price risen.


Russians have balls =)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: thebigtalk on June 11, 2015, 11:36:36 PM
Come on, guys.
You know what I mean.
As you can find lots of things which made in China.
And use lots of things made by USA or service by USA as google.
And Japan's camera……。
I only just want to say, Russian is far from a dominant country。
It's just a Third rate country.
And that why I despise Putin.
 

Well yes but I don't think Russia is trying to be dominant in this era. It was just Hitler who made that attempt.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on June 12, 2015, 10:01:55 AM
Come on, guys.
You know what I mean.
As you can find lots of things which made in China.
And use lots of things made by USA or service by USA as google.
And Japan's camera……。
I only just want to say, Russian is far from a dominant country。
It's just a Third rate country.
And that why I despise Putin.
  

Hilarious how sheep jumped on your Russia bashing band wagon and then dispersed, right? Meanwhile Russia, China and Iran tightened their military alliance, economic output is at record high and even western countries are being seduced by the idea of joining Chinese development bank (counterpart of NWOs International Monetary Fund) - they are solvent.

Russia by the way has - in spite of jewish oligarchs tantamount efforts to destroy it - still alot to offer besides weapons and resources. It has industrial tradition in heavy machinery, world class aerospace experts and produces about three times as many engineers and technical personell as do western countries. You see, it is country where education still means more, than title in front of your name.

By the way, you personally might not use something with "made in Russia" yourself, but you know who does? NASA does. Everytime NASA needs to send some of its trained chimps into the space, its Russians on the ground doing the job and building the rockets.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Souldream on June 12, 2015, 10:13:15 AM
But the main, and most important thing that Russia has, are its people - friendly, open-hearted, ready to help, often naïve, but with the perseverence that has Russia going despite everything that history had thrown at it.

You mean people with no education ? No "hello", no "thanks" ... and think they can do what they want because they have money ...

Sorry but all the place were i had been in holidays where russian was ... it was not educated people ! Raw people ... and most often drunk ... but of course it must be my imagination ....


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 12, 2015, 10:15:38 AM
By the way, you personally might not use something with "made in Russia" yourself, but you know who does? NASA does. Everytime NASA needs to send some of its trained chimps into the space, its Russians on the ground doing the job and building the rockets.

Without the Russian technology, the International Space Station would have never got completed. The NASA space technology is still way behind that of Russia, although the former receives almost 20 times the funding compared to the latter. If Russia refuses to cater to the American astronauts, then the NASA will have very few viable choices.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: dovetail on June 12, 2015, 10:36:49 AM
Big Tracks of Land
Nuclear Weapons 8000+, Tsar Bomba is one of them
Missiles - S550, S500, S400, SS-N-22 Sunburn
New Technologies
Military
Hackers
Space Capabilities
Scientists
Hot Chicks
People ready to sacrifice for their country
Endless and Cheap natural resources




Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: HeroCat on June 12, 2015, 01:22:29 PM
Russians have some specific food - cooked meat, tea, some specific soups. Also a lot of gas and oil.  ;D


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 12, 2015, 01:36:38 PM
Endless and Cheap natural resources

The natural resources of Russia are not endless, although right now they are plentiful. They need to be used carefully. For example, although Russia remains the world's largest producer of crude oil and other petroleum products, a lot of it is lost as a result of pipeline leakage, accidents and inefficient transport system. For the past two decades, I haven't seen any improvements in the crude oil transport infrastructure.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: TinEye on June 12, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
russians? they have just oil and gas ...and siberia :))) maybe they are too big to conqueror.

Russia is rich in almost all the natural resources (Iron ore, Nickel, Gold, Palladium, Platinum, Chromium, Aluminium, Diamonds, Coal.etc) and not just in oil and gas. Unfortunately, they are not utilizing them 100%. And yes, they are the largest country, in terms of surface area, which makes it almost impossible for anyone to conquer Russia.  ;D

their largest territory is also a double blade, one could hide there easily, than in any other country, if one escapes in Russia , it would be very difficult to find, your point about their metal is a valid point, but then the question raise, why they aren't selling it instead, if they have a huge quantity like you say?


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on June 12, 2015, 03:21:55 PM
russians? they have just oil and gas ...and siberia :))) maybe they are too big to conqueror.

Russia is rich in almost all the natural resources (Iron ore, Nickel, Gold, Palladium, Platinum, Chromium, Aluminium, Diamonds, Coal.etc) and not just in oil and gas. Unfortunately, they are not utilizing them 100%. And yes, they are the largest country, in terms of surface area, which makes it almost impossible for anyone to conquer Russia.  ;D

their largest territory is also a double blade, one could hide there easily, than in any other country, if one escapes in Russia , it would be very difficult to find, your point about their metal is a valid point, but then the question raise, why they aren't selling it instead, if they have a huge quantity like you say?


Given that almost 300 factories that processed material and were used for machine-building were closed and destroyed during the Yeltsin's Wild 90's, Russia has a lot of catching up to do. Also having a lot of resource in the ground is one thing, being able to get it profitably is another. One could argue that Russia could sell extraction rights to foreign companies (and it does), but that is a dangerous thing - one should be careful not to sell the country together with the land.



On a lighter note. Today is the Day of Russia's Independence - the youngest holiday in Russia. On the 12th of June 1990, the first Congress of People's Deputies adopted the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Russia.
There will be a large celebration - concert and historical show - aired directly from the Beautiful Square:
http://russia.tv/brand/show/brand_id/59502

There will also be an airing of celebrations from Crimea:
http://russia.tv/brand/show/brand_id/59503

Yesterday, this day was celebrated in Kishenjov, Moldova, and saw a great turn-out and spectacular fireworks, despite the authorities' attempts to sabotage it:
http://ria.ru/world/20150611/1069571815.html


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 12, 2015, 03:51:07 PM
Your point about their metal is a valid point, but then the question raise, why they aren't selling it instead, if they have a huge quantity like you say?

They are selling it, either as pure metal, alloys, or in the form of equipment and other products. Consider these facts:

1. Russia is the 6th largest producer of steel in the world, and the 5th largest producer of Iron ore.
2. Russia is the 2nd largest producer of Aluminium.
3. Russia is the 7th largest producer of Copper.
4. Russia is the 3rd largest producer of Gold.
5. Russia is the 2nd largest producer of Magnesium.
6. Russia is the 2nd largest producer of Platinum.
7. Russia is the 4th largest producer of Silver.
8. Russia is the 2nd largest producer of Titanium.
9. Russia is the 6th largest producer of Uranium.
10.Russia is the 4th largest producer of Antimony.
11.Russia is the 4th largest producer of Fluorite.
12.Russia is the 2nd largest producer of Silicon.
13.Russia is the 5th largest producer of Bentonite.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Balthazar on June 12, 2015, 03:59:20 PM
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Russia+former+planet+pluto+yep+the+worlds+largest+country_7afcac_4998027.jpg


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: AJMax on June 13, 2015, 03:15:50 AM

Indeed, should russia resolve its birth rate problem and get back on track building a legitimate economy that is not solely dependent on resource export, they have almost infinite potential growth.

Siberia is a treasure trove of everything, assuming they can somehow resolve the issue of livability in those regions. The vastness of those regions can only be matched in the world if US merges with Canada in the future and opens up canada's northern regions to inhabitation and resource management.

Russia right now is getting back on its feet after decades of political instability nevermind national depression after USSR. As a western citizen, I do understand that Russians can be belligerent and not easy to get along with - but we must understand that russians in the end are fundamentally concerned with preservation of their people and their state. Many of its ills are not only social and cultural, but also in large part connected to the influx of foreign criminals with direct links to criminal groups in Caucasus, such as Azerbaijani and georgian as well as chechens. Local criminal groups are directly linked to the government, but these foreign groups are rampant and respect no russians.

I do know that there are many russian trolls in these forums, some paid off by the state. If their idea is to vilinize the west with trifling threads such as 'west is gearing up to attack russia', I can guarentee that no western leader is day dreaming about goose step marching down the red square. Western response to russian actions are largely reactive and defensive - why else would a 'imperialistic' power set up military bases around russian border nations and merely wait?

The fundamental idea behind western posture towards russia is one of wariness and mistrust, not out right aggression or violent militarism. We try to contain or other wise hinder russia when it seems they are becoming belligerent and invasive (annexaction of crimea), but the posture is a defensive one, not rape pillage and kill.

Given russian history, it is understandable that they are belligerent towards perceived threats. However, the ongoing rivalry between west and russia is counterproductive to both sides who will in the future increasingly find themselves arrayed against same enemies, on a cultural and racial level. Actually, they already are.

It's time to flip the chess board around and change west-russian relations for the better. No one looks at Russians and think 'oh I see an Asian/Middle Easterner/African/non-white'. Russia must understand that western mentality against russia is primarily defensive and reactive, and also realize (probably already do but foolishly thinks they can take advantage of the west for long) that their chief historical and real enemy lies to the south and east.

Russians have a long proud history of destroying invaders and defending itself against threats. I can respect their unique tenacity and will, but I do believe that it is being leveled in a very counter productive and wrong direction, one that will ultimately leave russia alone and isolated against increasingly violent non-western enemies.

I do hope that in the future we Americans and Russians can come to see eye to eye and sit on the same table, if not as friends or allies, then at least as associates with more common interests than not. Future demands that it be so, because the world will not hesitate to take advantage of west-russian tit for tat infantile wrangling to advance its own racial and cultural goals that are decidedly anti-western and anti-russian.



Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 13, 2015, 05:07:27 AM

The proposed North American Union (United States + Canada + Mexico) will be having an area of 21,814,526 sq. kms (2.18 billion hectares), compared to 17,098,242 sq.kms for Russia. But still, the NAU will be smaller when compared to the former USSR, which had an area of 22,402,200 sq.kms (2.2 billion hectares).


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: ObscureBean on June 13, 2015, 05:15:18 AM
I've never been there but Russia has got to be one of the best countries to live in. For me Russia is synonymous with nature and I freaking love nature, I've seen so many awesome documentaries on different regions there  :)  


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on June 13, 2015, 02:12:10 PM

Indeed, should russia resolve its birth rate problem and get back on track building a legitimate economy that is not solely dependent on resource export, they have almost infinite potential growth.

Siberia is a treasure trove of everything, assuming they can somehow resolve the issue of livability in those regions. The vastness of those regions can only be matched in the world if US merges with Canada in the future and opens up canada's northern regions to inhabitation and resource management.

Russia right now is getting back on its feet after decades of political instability nevermind national depression after USSR. As a western citizen, I do understand that Russians can be belligerent and not easy to get along with - but we must understand that russians in the end are fundamentally concerned with preservation of their people and their state. Many of its ills are not only social and cultural, but also in large part connected to the influx of foreign criminals with direct links to criminal groups in Caucasus, such as Azerbaijani and georgian as well as chechens. Local criminal groups are directly linked to the government, but these foreign groups are rampant and respect no russians.

I do know that there are many russian trolls in these forums, some paid off by the state. If their idea is to vilinize the west with trifling threads such as 'west is gearing up to attack russia', I can guarentee that no western leader is day dreaming about goose step marching down the red square. Western response to russian actions are largely reactive and defensive - why else would a 'imperialistic' power set up military bases around russian border nations and merely wait?

The fundamental idea behind western posture towards russia is one of wariness and mistrust, not out right aggression or violent militarism. We try to contain or other wise hinder russia when it seems they are becoming belligerent and invasive (annexaction of crimea), but the posture is a defensive one, not rape pillage and kill.

Given russian history, it is understandable that they are belligerent towards perceived threats. However, the ongoing rivalry between west and russia is counterproductive to both sides who will in the future increasingly find themselves arrayed against same enemies, on a cultural and racial level. Actually, they already are.

It's time to flip the chess board around and change west-russian relations for the better. No one looks at Russians and think 'oh I see an Asian/Middle Easterner/African/non-white'. Russia must understand that western mentality against russia is primarily defensive and reactive, and also realize (probably already do but foolishly thinks they can take advantage of the west for long) that their chief historical and real enemy lies to the south and east.

Russians have a long proud history of destroying invaders and defending itself against threats. I can respect their unique tenacity and will, but I do believe that it is being leveled in a very counter productive and wrong direction, one that will ultimately leave russia alone and isolated against increasingly violent non-western enemies.

I do hope that in the future we Americans and Russians can come to see eye to eye and sit on the same table, if not as friends or allies, then at least as associates with more common interests than not. Future demands that it be so, because the world will not hesitate to take advantage of west-russian tit for tat infantile wrangling to advance its own racial and cultural goals that are decidedly anti-western and anti-russian.



You make some good point, but also got power dynamics upside down  ;) Repeatedly, russian nations aspired to be accepted by the west, due to shared culture, religion and yes, even race. How have that ended up for Russians?

In 13th century western Crusaders and Poles backstabbed and occupied modern day western Ukraine and Belarus, while the rest of the nation faced genocide from Mongolic Empire.

In 17th century just after finally subduing eastern Nomads, the ruling dynasty in Russia died out, again Westerners attacked from west and north. Poles burned down Moscow.

In 18th century resurgent Russia saw itself as Third Rome (after collapse of Byzantines at the hand of Turks) and protectors of all Christians, educated Russians considered it norm to speak and write in French (as natural successor of latin). Shortly thereafter Moscow was burned down by Napoleon.

In early 20th century basically the same story repeated again, when Germans (whose culture was again adored as opposed to plebean "muzhik" nature of rural Russians) exported Jew-Kalmyk Lenin into war torn country, raping it internally for generations to come.

And I am not even getting into cold war or attempts at dissecting Russia in the nineties from Anglosaxons. As Madeleine Albright (Czech-jewish American), then Secretary of State under Bill Clinton have said: "Russia is way too large to by ruled by single nation." Thats how Westerners treat their partners  ;)

You already saw open, extended hand of Russia and every time you ended up pissing all over it.

Even, as non-Russian I see clearly, that from their viewpoint Chinese are more reliable and honest partners.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: AJMax on June 13, 2015, 08:00:08 PM

Indeed, should russia resolve its birth rate problem and get back on track building a legitimate economy that is not solely dependent on resource export, they have almost infinite potential growth.

Siberia is a treasure trove of everything, assuming they can somehow resolve the issue of livability in those regions. The vastness of those regions can only be matched in the world if US merges with Canada in the future and opens up canada's northern regions to inhabitation and resource management.

Russia right now is getting back on its feet after decades of political instability nevermind national depression after USSR. As a western citizen, I do understand that Russians can be belligerent and not easy to get along with - but we must understand that russians in the end are fundamentally concerned with preservation of their people and their state. Many of its ills are not only social and cultural, but also in large part connected to the influx of foreign criminals with direct links to criminal groups in Caucasus, such as Azerbaijani and georgian as well as chechens. Local criminal groups are directly linked to the government, but these foreign groups are rampant and respect no russians.

I do know that there are many russian trolls in these forums, some paid off by the state. If their idea is to vilinize the west with trifling threads such as 'west is gearing up to attack russia', I can guarentee that no western leader is day dreaming about goose step marching down the red square. Western response to russian actions are largely reactive and defensive - why else would a 'imperialistic' power set up military bases around russian border nations and merely wait?

The fundamental idea behind western posture towards russia is one of wariness and mistrust, not out right aggression or violent militarism. We try to contain or other wise hinder russia when it seems they are becoming belligerent and invasive (annexaction of crimea), but the posture is a defensive one, not rape pillage and kill.

Given russian history, it is understandable that they are belligerent towards perceived threats. However, the ongoing rivalry between west and russia is counterproductive to both sides who will in the future increasingly find themselves arrayed against same enemies, on a cultural and racial level. Actually, they already are.

It's time to flip the chess board around and change west-russian relations for the better. No one looks at Russians and think 'oh I see an Asian/Middle Easterner/African/non-white'. Russia must understand that western mentality against russia is primarily defensive and reactive, and also realize (probably already do but foolishly thinks they can take advantage of the west for long) that their chief historical and real enemy lies to the south and east.

Russians have a long proud history of destroying invaders and defending itself against threats. I can respect their unique tenacity and will, but I do believe that it is being leveled in a very counter productive and wrong direction, one that will ultimately leave russia alone and isolated against increasingly violent non-western enemies.

I do hope that in the future we Americans and Russians can come to see eye to eye and sit on the same table, if not as friends or allies, then at least as associates with more common interests than not. Future demands that it be so, because the world will not hesitate to take advantage of west-russian tit for tat infantile wrangling to advance its own racial and cultural goals that are decidedly anti-western and anti-russian.



You make some good point, but also got power dynamics upside down  ;) Repeatedly, russian nations aspired to be accepted by the west, due to shared culture, religion and yes, even race. How have that ended up for Russians?

In 13th century western Crusaders and Poles backstabbed and occupied modern day western Ukraine and Belarus, while the rest of the nation faced genocide from Mongolic Empire.

In 17th century just after finally subduing eastern Nomads, the ruling dynasty in Russia died out, again Westerners attacked from west and north. Poles burned down Moscow.

In 18th century resurgent Russia saw itself as Third Rome (after collapse of Byzantines at the hand of Turks) and protectors of all Christians, educated Russians considered it norm to speak and write in French (as natural successor of latin). Shortly thereafter Moscow was burned down by Napoleon.

In early 20th century basically the same story repeated again, when Germans (whose culture was again adored as opposed to plebean "muzhik" nature of rural Russians) exported Jew-Kalmyk Lenin into war torn country, raping it internally for generations to come.

And I am not even getting into cold war or attempts at dissecting Russia in the nineties from Anglosaxons. As Madeleine Albright (Czech-jewish American), then Secretary of State under Bill Clinton have said: "Russia is way too large to by ruled by single nation." Thats how Westerners treat their partners  ;)

You already saw open, extended hand of Russia and every time you ended up pissing all over it.

Even, as non-Russian I see clearly, that from their viewpoint Chinese are more reliable and honest partners.

You mention instances where west initiated invasions of russia - but putting nazi's aside (ones that entirety of the west banded together to eliminate), rest are by products of middle ages and factors that went along with it - religion, primarily.

No one today is expecting the pontiff of rome or, by some bizarre reasoning, protestant groups to initiate a crusade to purge the 'heretics' of russian orthodoxy. This is actually a factor that is overshadowed when people speak of west-russian rivalry. Major historical source of enmity is gone.

More importantly, no western country wanted or succeeded in subjugating or ruling over russia and russian people for a simple reason: Their actions are primarily motivated by wariness of a large, imposing russian nation right on their borders with far greater manpower than any single or group of smaller european nation. This does not justify the invasions - but I am sure russians understand the sentiment of wariness that comes with having a potential threat on their borders to say the least.

You mentioned that russian wanted to be accepted and respected by the west, and that they strive to absorb western ways and culture. While the fact that they strove to learn western ways are true, their primary motive is same as anyone: To absorb what needs to be learned and strengthen their own position. More to the point, the belligerence and outwardly threatening and posturing behavior regardless of their fetish for german machines/french wine and literature/english lifestyle, etc etc obviously concerns the west far more, as it should be for any nation.

In essence, Russia is attempt to approach and create rapport purely on its own terms, while true exchange and rapport can only be created when both sides make certain compromises and reach an understanding of mutual common ground. Russia's greatest damage and carnage came not from the west on a fundamental level, because no matter how many hostilities commenced, aside from deranged nazis no one was truly dreaming of completely subjugating russia and killing off all russians. Now, the racial enemies to the east and south have no such scruples. How many russians and ukrainians where kidnapped by tartar raids to be enslaved? No one needs to even mention the threats of tamerlane and mongolic empire that almost completely trampled over russian people and many say irreparably damaged russian psyche at a fundamental level.

From russian historical point of view, west could indeed be viewed as legitimate enemies. However, you fail to mention that no western power held/wanted to hold russian under its yoke for the simple reason that fundamental thinking is different from that of rampaging enemies to the east and south - it is born out of caution and reactive hostility. Whether they succeeded in burning down moscow several times does not change the fact that they made little attempt to subjugate russia as a whole or commit genocide on a whole scale aside from nazis.

Why do I insist upon this view point, despite the historical evidences you point out? Because many soviet diplomats to the west have also made similar observations upon their return to the motherland after serving overseas - that the fundamental western approach to russia is born out of caution and wariness, not the kind of subjugation tyranny that were born from the east and south of russia. No matter the scale of hostilities in the past, the fundamental difference in mentality means that russia has far better future walking side by side with the west rather than continuously expressing hostility towards those who by world's standards are cousins.

It is agreed that west must also take a few steps to accept russians for who they are and start respecting their culture, as much as russians have. However, russian infantile behavior in reactive nationalism and general belligerence when dealing with the west, while meekly following along the leads of china and other non-western nations makes this difficult to respect from western point of view. Ignore for the moment all the mouthy liberals in the west - trust me a lot of westerners agree in public and hold quiet but fierce disdain for such people in private. The key point is that russia is too stubborn in counterproductive fashion when dealing with the west, wholly conciliatory and sometimes even seemingly supine towards those in the east and south who want to use and kill russians on racial and cultural level. This creates the impression that russian ultimately only respect brutality and strength - thus creating an enemy of russia rather than a potential ally. Conflict between west and russia is virtually one of fraternal conflict - closer you are, greater the damage, but in the end, no one can deny the relatively close relations between west and russia both culturally and racially.

Russian bitterness towards west for supposedly unreciprocated affection (why the fck does this start to sound like a woman pining for her ideal suitor) is understandable, but only if one considers russian position and that only. This insistence on doing things purely on russian terms is absolutely necessary for survival and victory - but not when you are trying to make friends or associates. At the same time, russia should never surrender who it is just to fit in - a combination of firm statement on uncompromising russian identity combined with willingness to accept west as a partner for who it is; this is what is needed. Given that russia is taking over someone's home and generally being hostile towards the west at the moment while seemingly bowing to chinese influence - because chinese are russian's cultural and racial enemies, makes this very very difficult for the west to regard russia as anything other than opportunistic enemies.

Future demands thus: That Russia revive itself and preserve its identity and strength, and at the same time, have the big enough heart and wisdom to accept west for what it is and consider the west as partners and associates to begin with, if not friends. Same is true for the west. No one should be thinking russia is absorbed in western culture - because russia is uniquely strong and reliable in its own way BECAUSE it is russian. Many in the west are beginning to see this, and you will find many former military officials in the west not so secretly holding a sense of nostalgia when soviet union was a 'reliable' rival - stubborn and hostile, but honorable and straightforward in its own strange way.



 
Chinese as reliable and honest? LOL

With respect to russian 'wisdom' in that regard, they are severely mistaken. I hope the silvonik ruling class are aware of this error in russia - and take steps to reach out to potential allies in the west with similar view points and common goals.





Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on June 14, 2015, 12:25:46 PM
You mention instances where west initiated invasions of russia - but putting nazi's aside (ones that entirety of the west banded together to eliminate), rest are by products of middle ages and factors that went along with it - religion, primarily.

No one today is expecting the pontiff of rome or, by some bizarre reasoning, protestant groups to initiate a crusade to purge the 'heretics' of russian orthodoxy. This is actually a factor that is overshadowed when people speak of west-russian rivalry. Major historical source of enmity is gone.

More importantly, no western country wanted or succeeded in subjugating or ruling over russia and russian people for a simple reason: Their actions are primarily motivated by wariness of a large, imposing russian nation right on their borders with far greater manpower than any single or group of smaller european nation. This does not justify the invasions - but I am sure russians understand the sentiment of wariness that comes with having a potential threat on their borders to say the least.

AFAIK, west banded together against Reich only after United States were directly challenged by Nazi Germany, german war machine wouldnt be able to start working in the first place, if not for western money and support - as bulwark against "eastern threat". You are quick to dismiss countless invasions and millions of dead Slavs, Kalmyks, Tatars, Caucasians and even Jews to "old mistakes". Yet geopolitics never changes and you perfectly described why. Russia is still considered too large and too strong, it will never be accepted as a partner unless it is depopulated and teritorially dissected first. US politicians are not even hiding it and as late as in the nineties, they found enough collaborators, traitors and naive idealists, who nearly made it happen. It is irrelevant how you will judge Putin - you are outsider. What matter is, that every person that stayed in the coutry understands, that without his aides and master plan, there would be no Russia today. Just more easily replaceable slaves, cheap resources and markets, that the west urgently needs.

You can speculate about it as much as you want, but even your diction betrays you. At no point, did you ask the question: What do the Russians/Other side/Partners want. You only mention what THEY MUST DO.

Ending of eternal rivalry between China, Russia and Iran wasnt brought about by mutual sympathies, but by instict of self-preservation in the last decades. Otherwise, Russia would be isolated, crushed and dissected. West has no use for Russia besides cheap resource and labor base - in fact look around this very topic, many members even here see the country exactly as that and its industrous people as little more, than talking apes. Thanks, but no thanks, this is not how friends speak of each other.

That doesnt mean US and Russia have to be enemies.

Just. Leave. Us. Finally. Alone.

http://caravantomidnight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/nato-russia-war.jpg


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Balthazar on June 14, 2015, 12:54:10 PM
Chinese as reliable and honest? LOL
Well, there are few examples from my own experience. As far I remember, I had no problem with chinese and japanese sellers... On the other hand, some part of our close western neighbours (you know whom I mean) are repeatedly trying to fool everyone. That's why I'm trying to have no business with them if there are other options.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Balthazar on June 14, 2015, 01:12:42 PM
I wouldn't say that this comparison is absolutely correct. You can't simply say that some country has a dictatorship while another is a democracy. Simply because the dictatorship and democracy are not mutually exclusive. This will sound funny, but dictatorship can be democratic.

India never had a military coup, and the governments were elected in without any election fraud or vote rigging. The army is not very powerful in India. Moreover, India is regarded as one of the best examples of parliamentary democracies in the Asian region. China, on the other hand, was an absolute dictatorship until the early 1990s.

I agree that there can be some cases, where the dictatorship and democracy are not mutually exclusive. But that is not the case with both India and China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6f_sayw0mM   :)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: aahzmundus on June 14, 2015, 02:03:32 PM
Except oil and weapon, what things does Russian really have?
We all see that Russian is really weak in recently oil price crash.
The exchange rate of ruble and the inflation in Russian as follow the  oil price crash imply that Russian is just a third - rate country who depends on selling cheap resources.
After the Soviet Union collapsed, the Economic of Russian growth just benefit from the oil price risen.


Weapons, mafia, drugs. Okay that's very stereotypical of me.
Lots of land, huge army, lots of power actually. Rich (You know what I mean) history
:P


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: stallion on June 14, 2015, 03:36:42 PM
Culture, architecture, food, DRINKS, sports, special events, Russian dolls, sexy women and gangsters.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on June 14, 2015, 04:14:52 PM
Culture, architecture, food, DRINKS, sports, special events, Russian dolls, sexy women and gangsters.

When you say DRINKS, I hope you mean this:

http://ochakovo.ru/resen/brands/9/bimg.png
http://www.ochakovo.ru/en/kvass

Because that's a traditional Russian drink. And it's delicious.

And this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mors_%28drink%29

For stronger stuff, Russians drank mjod (honey ale - mjod is a Russian word for "honey")

For vodka, you have to look further north, to the former Russian lands of Finland. ;)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on June 14, 2015, 05:43:22 PM
Culture, architecture, food, DRINKS, sports, special events, Russian dolls, sexy women and gangsters.

When you say DRINKS, I hope you mean this:

http://ochakovo.ru/resen/brands/9/bimg.png
http://www.ochakovo.ru/en/kvass

Because that's a traditional Russian drink. And it's delicious.

And this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mors_%28drink%29

For stronger stuff, Russians drank mjod (honey ale - mjod is a Russian word for "honey")

For vodka, you have to look further north, to the former Russian lands of Finland. ;)

Distilled honey (called "med" in my place) is absolutely delicious!


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: AJMax on June 14, 2015, 07:44:50 PM
You mention instances where west initiated invasions of russia - but putting nazi's aside (ones that entirety of the west banded together to eliminate), rest are by products of middle ages and factors that went along with it - religion, primarily.

No one today is expecting the pontiff of rome or, by some bizarre reasoning, protestant groups to initiate a crusade to purge the 'heretics' of russian orthodoxy. This is actually a factor that is overshadowed when people speak of west-russian rivalry. Major historical source of enmity is gone.

More importantly, no western country wanted or succeeded in subjugating or ruling over russia and russian people for a simple reason: Their actions are primarily motivated by wariness of a large, imposing russian nation right on their borders with far greater manpower than any single or group of smaller european nation. This does not justify the invasions - but I am sure russians understand the sentiment of wariness that comes with having a potential threat on their borders to say the least.

AFAIK, west banded together against Reich only after United States were directly challenged by Nazi Germany, german war machine wouldnt be able to start working in the first place, if not for western money and support - as bulwark against "eastern threat". You are quick to dismiss countless invasions and millions of dead Slavs, Kalmyks, Tatars, Caucasians and even Jews to "old mistakes". Yet geopolitics never changes and you perfectly described why. Russia is still considered too large and too strong, it will never be accepted as a partner unless it is depopulated and teritorially dissected first. US politicians are not even hiding it and as late as in the nineties, they found enough collaborators, traitors and naive idealists, who nearly made it happen. It is irrelevant how you will judge Putin - you are outsider. What matter is, that every person that stayed in the coutry understands, that without his aides and master plan, there would be no Russia today. Just more easily replaceable slaves, cheap resources and markets, that the west urgently needs.

You can speculate about it as much as you want, but even your diction betrays you. At no point, did you ask the question: What do the Russians/Other side/Partners want. You only mention what THEY MUST DO.

Ending of eternal rivalry between China, Russia and Iran wasnt brought about by mutual sympathies, but by instict of self-preservation in the last decades. Otherwise, Russia would be isolated, crushed and dissected. West has no use for Russia besides cheap resource and labor base - in fact look around this very topic, many members even here see the country exactly as that and its industrous people as little more, than talking apes. Thanks, but no thanks, this is not how friends speak of each other.

That doesnt mean US and Russia have to be enemies.

Just. Leave. Us. Finally. Alone.

http://caravantomidnight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/nato-russia-war.jpg

Let's leave aside your name and the fact that you are seemingly from senegal, yet pretend to speak for the russian people :)

What you say regarding how 'US financed third reich' is the same tired old tripe of anti-US blame game based on impulse to mouth off at the perceived enemy (the EVIL west) using whatever excuse you can fabricate to your liking to justify such childish thoughts. Anyone can see that. Bullsht transcends cultural and racial boundaries, as you have just amply demonstrated. By same logic, I can blame the russians or chinese for how africa and south America is today due to their inordinate amount of 'aid' given while masquerading under the guise of 'socialist solidarity' 'anti imperialism' while they themselves have (and still!) are siphoning off resources and using those people to their liking with full willing compliance of blind fools who think as you do. Many of those regimes who received such 'help' wound up being authoritarian socialist dictatorships that exploit their people in ways capitalists could only wish for. All while you manipulate and cajole locals with sweet talks of false empowerment that in the end turns against the most disadvantaged in their own country first and foremost.

Also, your attempts at twisting my words by saying I am 'disregarding' past actions as 'old mistakes' also reveals, by your own diction, a severely crippling bias from a very disrespectful viewpoint that inherently seeks to antagonize and start sht. I have specifically acknowledged the invasions and details of the crimes committed against the russian people - yet I have also addressed why such things differ from the threats russia faces from the south and the east, and why russia hopefully could come around to understanding that while they are fully justified in asking for acknowledgement of the past, it is counter productive and misunderstood action to believe that the west is either willing or wanting to 'enslave' russia.

You also place the lion's share of the blame for russia's post cold war crisis on the west once again - conveniently forgetting that local and border straddling criminals were instrumental in taking advantage of russia's momentary weakness and tearing apart their social fabric to the point where it faced an existential crisis. It is true that west sought to take advantage and some what attempted to 'subjugate' russia, or rather blunt its sharp edges to the point where it would be turned into something close to a vassal state - yet you might be surprised to find out that once such initiatives were planned and actually attempted to get off the ground, many people found out that russia didn't need any help in screwing itself over in ways that those EVIL imperialists could only dream of. In the end, west expanded its influence but I don't know how anyone could try to fabricate the idea that west wanted to goosestep march down to kremlin or invade russian borders. West has not invaded russia when it would have been ideal to do so - I doubt that same would have been true if the tables were turned. The talk about 'depopulation' and 'enslavement' doesn't even merit a response - if you want to keep trying to paint another as villain, you would do well to not speak from fantasies that serve to further fabricate your already full self-masturbatory lies. West could scarcely have taken advantage of russia more than how much they screwed themselves over, and frankly as long as russia didn't remain a threat, no one was pipe dreaming of conquering russia or 'enslaving' it population. If you keep talking about how it is 'enslavement' to maybe, just maybe deviate a little from 'my way or high way' attitude, than it is obvious that ANYTHING is capable of being villainized  as 'oppression'. Your vast fantasy of 'western conspiracy against russia' is childish finger pointing at best - its fake sense of insight revealing more about what you don't know and don't want to know, better than what you supposedly know.

You presume to tell me what my 'diction' tells you, while fully revealing your intention to merely twist my words according to your own perceptions into what fits your view point. I have addressed what both russia AND west must do, despite their misgivings regarding the necessary actions involved. What MUST BE is often different from what one wants, and having a big heart and backbone to follow through with doing what needs to be done must be applied equally on both parties. The basic mentality of the west is that Russia, being proud or otherwise, is something they can live with - however, your tone betrays a sense of wounded aggressor's sentiment that you are trying to mask - defeated aggression as 'victims of oppression' since you are clearly unwilling to accept that anyone aside from yourself could be on equally strong standing both on cultural, psychological, and racial level. West is confident and secure in its own identity and values - something that people with your kind of mentality clearly cannot stand. At the very least, it is very similar to putting a bucket of ice next to a fireplace and complaining that it melts - and therefore the fireplace is evil. At best, it is patently naive and ignorant - most likely it is a punishable offense due to the kind of disrespect it displays in its patent disregard for others, and mouthy disrespect it represents. At that point, your own attitude almost seem to justify actions of third reich in regards to jews or russians, russian actions in chechnya, or  the slavery of africans by arabs.

I consider the facts of what needs to be done, and accept that regardless of west or russia, they must both conduct themselves beyond their immediate wants and impulses to come to a common ground and understanding. The fact that you believe you are doing told what to do (you aren't even russian but that's somehow beside the point) so reflexively and childishly, while completely disregarding the fact that the other side is also making efforts to accommodate russian situation reveals a clear hostile intent that requires retaliation. There is only so far anyone can go to accommodate for the sake of negotiations.

In the end, what is needed is destruction of mindless hostile attitude and unwillingness to face the truth of the matter, both in west and russia. What both sides needs is true strength to establish their respective positons, and come to see eye to eye enough that they could at least consider each other associates. West can live with the fact that russia will eye us with suspicion and a bit of necessary hostility of one nation state against another - west fully acknowledges russian will and identity that has carried it thus far. However, russia cannot seem to acknowledge or respect west (or anyone) to the necessary degree that only a strong sense of self-confidence and innate strength can provide - russia always seem to go out of its way to throw a fit no matter where in the world west conducts its business, even within our own borders. In essence, it gives a strong impression that they cannot be comfortable unless they are somehow able to control or influence the actions of another on their own terms ONLY.  

I base my observations, actions, and supposed 'assumptions' on your attitude and tone, plus the facts of the world as they are. If the west was truly trying to enslave, invade, or otherwise act as an outright aggressor, there is little reason to pass up chances in history that it did - and with fully knowledge of the potential benefits of such actions were it actually acting as an imperialist in its genuine form. The inherent sense of aggression and arrogance present in hearts of men and women are corrected, disciplined, and directed by a greater sense of purpose and standards in the west far more than other parts of the world - hence its reluctance to commit itself fully to fascism or genocide, unlike mongolic empire, african empires and its treatments of mass enslavement of those they conquered, or the arab muslim world and their continued slavery practice that still exists today in barely concealed form in the millions of indentured servants. I do not need to invent fanciful self-rationalizing story of 'intent to enslave' while it is clear that slavery and oppression exists in far greater quantity, both openly and covertly, outside of the western world. Also, as ridiculous as it sounds, the fact is those who aligned with the west by majority came out as winners from the cold war, while the other camp mostly came out impoverished, weak, confused, and in desperate straits of political instability. This is simply due to the fact that western approach and basic mentailty isn't quite as oppressive or imperialistic as you fantasize (primarily to find a convenient target to blame, while eagerly praising your own dictators and actual oppressors practically kneeling before them to suck them off like a slave). Next time you feel you can run your mouth about such things, you are advised to watch yourself well. Offense committed is not easily forgotten.

Did west commit crimes of mass murder, conquest, and invasions? Yes. Did the rest of the world do the same, even worse, and has the disrespectful attitude to not even acknowledge their greater crimes while today trying to manipulate western values to conveniently paint the west as villains while impudently acting as if they are victims? Absolutely.

World is in no potion to lecture west about morality or crimes, and would do well to remember that it is a double edged sword no matter who is wielding it.

Russians need to learn to live with the fact that west is west, just as west should fully acknowledge russia as being russia, and both sides need to stop fcking with each other with disinformation and tit for tat game that is ultimately counterproductive. Lastly, world has no need to delusional fools who dream themselves the new revolutionaries when they are just common children looking for easy way out. I intend to fully impose the standards of productive initiative on myself and ask others to do the same for themselves, regardless of respective differences in situations or outlook - for common standard and agreement is the foundation of understanding and destruction of ignorance. The world, however, has even greater degree of ignorance to work through than the west, and amusingly enough has managed to convince itself otherwise while trying to vilify the west for all their problems. This will eventually lead to a very brutal and destructive war, and I guarantee you that west as no intention of letting any such criminals who try to fck with its people to live on the face of the planet - as would be expected of any decent human being when faced with ignorant behavior and unwarranted attitudes.






Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Souldream on June 15, 2015, 09:33:17 AM
May be of interest (in the light of the general information blockade of Russia): http://innovation.gov.ru/ ;)

Heard of LHC of CERN? Some parts were built in Russia.
Heard of American Atlas V rocket? Its engines are Russian RD-180.


Yes .... And All Russian rockets have more then 75% of USA electronic ....

Perhaps you will beleive it as this is from Russian media LoL

http://svpressa.ru/economy/article/124761/



Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Anony on June 15, 2015, 09:55:00 AM
Vodka, Missiles, Army, Poor People, Rich people, Extremely Rich people, Filthy Rich People and then there is Putin  ;D I have read an article where it says that Putin has about 800 cars, 40+ Aeroplanes, 20 Ships, and his assets are worth $20billion  ???


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 15, 2015, 10:28:26 AM
I have read an article where it says that Putin has about 800 cars, 40+ Aeroplanes, 20 Ships, and his assets are worth $20billion  ???

I have also read an article which says that Obama has 4 wives and 40 children. Should I believe that?

If Putin is really having 40 aircraft and 20 ships, they must be the invisible ones. Becasue no one in Russia has seen them. And regarding Putin's net worth, Bill Browder once claimed that it amounts to $200 billion. You can add one more zero, and make it $2,000 billion ($2 trillion).


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Marbit on June 15, 2015, 11:10:47 AM
Chinese as reliable and honest? LOL
Well, there are few examples from my own experience. As far I remember, I had no problem with chinese and japanese sellers... On the other hand, some part of our close western neighbours (you know whom I mean) are repeatedly trying to fool everyone. That's why I'm trying to have no business with them if there are other options.

As far as Chinese people are concerned, they really are hard working people. Chinese that I have encountered, I've seen them as dedicated and honest to their work.
Generalizing is something we shouldn't be doing though, you can judge a race or community based on the actions of a few.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: fuzion on June 15, 2015, 11:54:31 AM
Except oil and weapon, what things does Russian really have?
We all see that Russian is really weak in recently oil price crash.
The exchange rate of ruble and the inflation in Russian as follow the  oil price crash imply that Russian is just a third - rate country who depends on selling cheap resources.
After the Soviet Union collapsed, the Economic of Russian growth just benefit from the oil price risen.


Russians have good nuclear weapons that I have heard :)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on June 15, 2015, 01:45:30 PM
Let's leave aside your name and the fact that you are seemingly from senegal, yet pretend to speak for the russian people :)

Leaving aside the wall of text (some of which I agree with, some of which is historically inaccurate), I, as an ethnic Russian, find this line as the most objectionable in what you wrote. What gives you the right to deny him the right to speak for the Russian people?

I don't know if he is ethnically Russian or has connections to Russia. I don't care. If he feels Russian at heart and what he says is factually correct, than he can speak on behalf of Russians.

Russian Federation is a common home of over 200 ethnic groups and nationalities speaking over 100 languages and dialects. You don't have to be ethnically Russian to be Russian. You need to identify with the Russian culture and  be able to live peacefully under the same roof with other peoples. And that's the key.
Russia has hundreds of years of experience with a functioning multi-ethnical, mutli-confessional, multi-cultural society. Everything that Europe tries and fails to emulate and preaches to Russia (what an irony).

Russian Minister of Defence, Shojgu is ethnic Tuvan. The Mayor of Moscow Sobjanin is part-Mansi, part-Ural Cossack. The Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation Lavrov is part-Georgian.

So, you see, when speaking about "Russian people", being from Senegal is not an excluding criteria.

PS: He claims to hark to Czech Republic, so I don't know where you got Senegal from... Fail again?


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 15, 2015, 02:51:21 PM
Let's leave aside your name and the fact that you are seemingly from senegal, yet pretend to speak for the russian people :)

Leaving aside the wall of text (some of which I agree with, some of which is historically inaccurate), I, as an ethnic Russian, find this line as the most objectionable in what you wrote. What gives you the right to deny him the right to speak for the Russian people?

I didn't noticed the comment from this AJMax guy, as he is on my ignore list.

That said, it is funny that a noob who is registered less than two weeks ago in this forum badmouthing against an experienced poster. Okurkabinladin is from the European Union, and he is quite knowledgeable about Russia.

On the other hand, the other guy seems to have some serious issues. Check this:

Maybe obama should consider diversifying his family first by impregnating sweet little sasha with some non-black seed :D Keep the impregnation video as a souvenir to his diversity agenda.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: GiocareHost on June 15, 2015, 04:50:44 PM
What they don't have?
I look at Russia as the most advanced country.You will get to know about Russia's resources at the time of world war3


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Nemo1024 on June 15, 2015, 05:11:52 PM
What they don't have?
I look at Russia as the most advanced country.You will get to know about Russia's resources at the time of world war3

I'd prefer not to. ;)
That's why such displays as this are welcome:
http://ladarayinfo.weebly.com/esr4.html


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: dominicg on June 15, 2015, 05:32:49 PM
As far as I have seen, Russia has extremely cold weather to live in. Hats-off to people who are still living in such a cold atmosphere with limited resources. And of course, they poses few of the best minds of the world. The minds who created Mig-21s, which were the best in the world when first built.


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Balthazar on June 15, 2015, 06:02:16 PM
As far as I have seen, Russia has extremely cold weather to live in.

http://s016.radikal.ru/i335/1506/4d/56686bf16a14.png


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: rayhan on June 15, 2015, 06:12:46 PM
What they don't have?
I look at Russia as the most advanced country.You will get to know about Russia's resources at the time of world war3

It seems you are waiting for WW3. Russia will show its might, America will too, and so will China. But it will be the common people dying out there in the show of the mightiest. So let's not get into WW3 discussions. Peace  :) :)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2015, 02:30:41 AM
As far as I have seen, Russia has extremely cold weather to live in.

Russia is the largest country in the world in terms of surface area. Not all the regions of Russia are cold and uninhabitable. There are some regions with sub-tropical climate, such as Crimea and Krasnodar. But I have to agree that the majority of Russia (in terms of area) falls within the Siberian region, where the climate is unbearable (except for the Russians).


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: cryptocoiner on June 16, 2015, 04:20:12 AM
As far as I have seen, Russia has extremely cold weather to live in. Hats-off to people who are still living in such a cold atmosphere with limited resources. And of course, they poses few of the best minds of the world. The minds who created Mig-21s, which were the best in the world when first built.

Climat in russia is pretty much same as in Canada. Plus Russia is a big country. So there is zones with relatively good climate. Crimea, for example =)


Title: Re: what things does Russian really have?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on June 16, 2015, 04:50:37 AM
What they don't have?
I look at Russia as the most advanced country.You will get to know about Russia's resources at the time of world war3

It seems you are waiting for WW3. Russia will show its might, America will too, and so will China. But it will be the common people dying out there in the show of the mightiest. So let's not get into WW3 discussions. Peace  :) :)

Actually, final nuclear exchange between East and West would mirror much, much older event, when venerable Sassanid empire and Romans bled each other out for decades.

Guess, who swallowed resulting wasteland back then?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Map_of_expansion_of_Caliphate.svg

Power vacuum is all fundamentalist needs to fulfill his dreams...

http://what-is-is.blogspot.cz/2014/06/war-nerd-isis-is-conquering-empty.html