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Title: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Chef Ramsay on December 30, 2014, 11:51:27 PM
Study shows trees absorb more greenhouse gas than expected
 http://i61.tinypic.com/4t14bs.jpg
:P
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Tropical forests are growing faster than scientists thought due to rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
A Nasa-led study has found that tropical forests are absorbing 1.5 billion tons of carbon dioxide every year as they photosynthesise and grow.

And this is far more than is absorbed by the vast areas of boreal forest that encircle the Arctic.

The researchers claim their findings show that rainforests like the Amazon are essential for soaking up excess greenhouse gases, and play a far greater role than had been previously realised.


More...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2891432/Carbon-dioxide-emissions-help-tropical-rainforests-grow-faster-Study-shows-trees-absorb-greenhouse-gas-expected.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2891432/Carbon-dioxide-emissions-help-tropical-rainforests-grow-faster-Study-shows-trees-absorb-greenhouse-gas-expected.html)


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: botany on December 30, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
Surprised to see the title.  ;D
Global warming and greenhouse effect have been off the headlines for quite some time now.


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Wilikon on December 31, 2014, 02:01:38 AM
Surprised to see the title.  ;D
Global warming and greenhouse effect have been off the headlines for quite some time now.

Not really familiar with my mostly updated little thread? AGW is always the headline a few times a month here  :D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=374873.0




Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: BADecker on December 31, 2014, 03:51:53 PM
Surprised to see the title.  ;D
Global warming and greenhouse effect have been off the headlines for quite some time now.

Of course, scientists have to figure out some reason why the rate of global warming has been slowing down since about 1999.

If there was a way to get more of the ocean water into the atmosphere, that would be a good thing. Global warming would increase. The polar ice would melt. Northern Canada and Siberia would become nice, fertile, warm lands. The Sahara and other deserts would bloom once again. The world would suddenly have enough easy room for another 7.5 billion people. Actually, there's easily enough room for that right now. Think of how great the populations could be then.

It would be fun.

:)


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: BADecker on December 31, 2014, 03:54:31 PM
If jungles encompassed the world, we could all live in the trees. Tarzan did it.    :D


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Wilikon on December 31, 2014, 04:04:06 PM
If jungles encompassed the world, we could all live in the trees. Tarzan did it.    :D



Don't forget the flying snakes

https://i.imgur.com/MfQSnPF.gif






Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: BADecker on April 02, 2015, 02:50:00 PM
More work for the farmers in the Amazon jungles who are trying to clear the lands for cultivation. Does this mean that farming is a cult?

:)


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Snail2 on April 02, 2015, 03:56:15 PM
More work for the farmers in the Amazon jungles who are trying to clear the lands for cultivation. Does this mean that farming is a cult?

:)

...so they can produce more GMO soy beans :).


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: (oYo) on April 02, 2015, 04:42:26 PM
Something has been troubling me ever since this anti-greenhouse gas campaign began. I've never thought of carbon dioxide as being the real menace, particularly since that's exactly what plants breathe. Instead, my concerns have always been with the amount of carbon monoxide and other extremely dangerous pollutants industries introduce into the environment, which is hardly ever mentioned. I believe this omission is made on purpose to protect industries from receiving legitimate criticism in regards to their dirty and secretive pollutive practices.

[Now, obviously too much CO2 is indeed a problem, since we don't breathe it. Nevertheless, as long as we didn't destroy all the trees and plant life (in the name of progress) and kept enough of them around, it wouldn't have ever been such a big problem. Yet, as it turns out, that is exactly what is happening. Consequently, the reduction in trees and other plant life through clear-cut logging practices and ever expanding parking lots is indeed exacerbating the (otherwise inappreciable) carbon dioxide problem.]


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: biggerbig on April 02, 2015, 04:53:16 PM
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Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster

Isn't that pretty obvious? It's like forcing the pigs to eat too much potatoes - they will grow faster, if a person will eat too much he'll get fat. So more Carbon Dioxide = more greeneries


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: criptix on April 02, 2015, 07:51:31 PM
well if the people wouldnt chop of the tropical forest to plant soja...


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: BADecker on April 02, 2015, 07:56:26 PM
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Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster

Isn't that pretty obvious? It's like forcing the pigs to eat too much potatoes - they will grow faster, if a person will eat too much he'll get fat. So more Carbon Dioxide = more greeneries

Yes, but. When the tropical rain forests eat the carbon dioxide, they exhale oxygen. More oxygen means that we can burn more fossil fuels, thereby making more carbon dioxide. Neat, eh? We can drive our cars further and longer from the old (fossil fuel) rain forests, and the present rain forests give us oxygen, and ultimately convert themselves (over a long period of time) into fossil fuels so that the next generations can drive their cars because of the oxygen future generation rain forests exhale.

Neat, right?

 :D


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Spendulus on April 02, 2015, 08:56:12 PM
Something has been troubling me ever since this anti-greenhouse gas campaign began. I've never thought of carbon dioxide as being the real menace, particularly since that's exactly what plants breathe. Instead, my concerns have always been with the amount of carbon monoxide and other extremely dangerous pollutants industries introduce into the environment, which is hardly ever mentioned. I believe this omission is made on purpose to protect industries from receiving legitimate criticism in regards to their dirty and secretive pollutive practices.

[Now, obviously too much CO2 is indeed a problem, since we don't breathe it. Nevertheless, as long as we didn't destroy all the trees and plant life (in the name of progress) and kept enough of them around, it wouldn't have ever been such a big problem. Yet, as it turns out, that is exactly what is happening. Consequently, the reduction in trees and other plant life through clear-cut logging practices and ever expanding parking lots is indeed exacerbating the (otherwise inappreciable) carbon dioxide problem.]
Well, CO has high internal energy (it burns quite nicely) so one way or another it will react to form CO2.  I would not worry at all about atmospheric levels of CO - worry about it in enclosed spaces.

Other pollutants, yes - suspicion that they are being ignored while the spotlight is on CO2 is valid suspicion.  Good old style pollution.

However, old style pollution emitters in the USA are cleaner than they even have been.  Now China, that's a completely different story...


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Mikestang on April 02, 2015, 11:39:10 PM
Methane and Water Vapor are way, way, way more effective greenhouse gasses than CO2, but for whatever reaon CO2 gets all the bad press.  Meanwhile, the world's forests grows as measure by sattelite far outpace the predictions of the past century due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere.

http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forests.php

There's a lot more to atmospheric science than what 99% of the public understand and what is reported on main stream media outlets.


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: michaeladair on April 02, 2015, 11:40:09 PM
Now all we gotta do is stop chopping them the fuck down.


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: mrcashking on April 03, 2015, 02:20:07 AM
Now all we gotta do is stop chopping them the fuck down.

This is the main thing that needs to be done, they are alive and have been for longer than our fathers and their fathers and we chop them down at the rate we do is sickening i really do hate it all them animals that get wiped out along the way. I have a friend that grows weed he swears by co2, that gets them super bushy, well so he says ;) Stop chopping the lungs of the planet and our children might just survive the tree's have survived worse levels than current and they ended up around most of the planet for the dinosaurs. 


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: BADecker on April 03, 2015, 02:31:25 AM
Now all we gotta do is stop chopping them the fuck down.

This is the main thing that needs to be done, they are alive and have been for longer than our fathers and their fathers and we chop them down at the rate we do is sickening i really do hate it all them animals that get wiped out along the way. I have a friend that grows weed he swears by co2, that gets them super bushy, well so he says ;) Stop chopping the lungs of the planet and our children might just survive the tree's have survived worse levels than current and they ended up around most of the planet for the dinosaurs.  

The algae and plankton in the oceans do more than the rain forests oxygenwise. But, have you seen that Clive Cussler, 2005 movie, Sahara? In that movie, some joker had a factory in Mali, Africa, that dumped a bunch of deadly toxins into the water of the Niger River. If they had made their way to the ocean, they would have killed off the Atlantic. I wonder how badly we are damaging the oceans with all the nuclear testing and toxic waste dumping in areas that are not regulated. We just might need the rain forests for oxygen some day.

:)


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Spendulus on April 03, 2015, 08:40:00 PM
Methane and Water Vapor are way, way, way more effective greenhouse gasses than CO2, but for whatever reaon CO2 gets all the bad press.  Meanwhile, the world's forests grows as measure by sattelite far outpace the predictions of the past century due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere.

http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forests.php

There's a lot more to atmospheric science than what 99% of the public understand and what is reported on main stream media outlets.

But I suspect the tropical forests will soon all die, due to water shortages.  This sort of thing can't continue for long -

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-majority-of-earths-potable-water-trapped-in,38356/


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: lophie on April 03, 2015, 08:50:51 PM
Try this, Maybe you guys will have a different prospective

George Carlin - "The Planet is fine, the people are fucked!"  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8HP1WzbDk)


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: (oYo) on April 03, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
Try this, Maybe you guys will have a different prospective

George Carlin - "The Planet is fine, the people are fucked!"  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8HP1WzbDk)

LOL, ya, I love Carlin. We shouldn't be trying to save anything, but what we really need to stop doing is destroying everything.


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: criptix on April 03, 2015, 10:04:09 PM
Methane and Water Vapor are way, way, way more effective greenhouse gasses than CO2, but for whatever reaon CO2 gets all the bad press.  Meanwhile, the world's forests grows as measure by sattelite far outpace the predictions of the past century due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere.

http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forests.php

There's a lot more to atmospheric science than what 99% of the public understand and what is reported on main stream media outlets.

But I suspect the tropical forests will soon all die, due to water shortages.  This sort of thing can't continue for long -

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-majority-of-earths-potable-water-trapped-in,38356/


wait what?
scientist try to get fresh water out of coke products??
how does the fresh water come into the coke products in the first place?
just stop drinking sugar+acid water you idiots

/edit

so coca cola company needs in average 2,16 liter fresh water to produce 1 liter cola products. (2014)
using cola products will kill humanity and nature in the long run - think about it every time you drink a coke.

oh wait, i forgot that coca cola products are one of the unhealthiest products on our planet. probaly as problematic as radioactive material.

https://www.worldwildlife.org/projects/wwf-coca-cola-s-work-to-conserve-fresh-water

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/02/coca-cola-and-nestle-are-sucking-us-dry-without-us.aspx

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Human beings need five liters a day for hydration and 25 liters a day for minimum hygiene. That accounts for a whopping 1.5% of freshwater extraction for human purposes. Unconventional fuel-source extraction and ever-thirstier agriculture account for a wildly disproportionate share of the rest. The thinking goes that if there were a value placed on that remaining 98.5% of the water we use, we might use it in a more appropriate manner.

where is the the other 98,5% fresh water? over 2/3 of it is in cola and nestle products.

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The companies' conflicts with communities in Latin America, Asia, and Africa are too numerous and sordid to be invented from whole cloth. Moreover, the simple fact is that sucking groundwater out of one place, bottling it, and shipping it for sale in another place that typically already has perfectly safe public water ranks high on the list of stupid things to do with scarce water.

So yes, Coca-Cola and Nestle are indeed sucking us dry. So are our modern agricultural practices and unconventional oil and gas extraction, to an even greater extent. A blended privatization scheme may indeed be part of the solution, but if it's done right, it will only make life harder for Coke and Nestle.


http://www.indiaresource.org/campaigns/coke/2006/cokewwf.html

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The Coca-Cola company proudly boasts that it has a water use ratio of 2.7 to 1. That is, for every 2.7 liters of water (freshwater) it takes from the earth, it produces 1 liter of product. What happens to the remaining 1.7 liters (or 63%) of the water? It is used to clean bottles and machinery, and is discarded as wastewater.
[...]
Coca-Cola's water use ratio in India is 4 to 1 - that is, 75% of the freshwater it extracts is turned into wastewater. The company has indiscriminately discharged its wastewater into the surrounding fields, severely polluting the scarce remaining groundwater as well as soil.  

US citiziens, get ready to be shocked:

http://www.foodispower.org/water-usage-privatization/

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For example, in Colorado, over a period of a few years, Nestlé spent a large amount of money negotiating a water deal with the three-member Board of Chaffee County Commissioners and with the Aurora City Council, while buying land in the areas near where the Arkansas River runs. Close to 80 percent of the county’s 17,000 residents opposed the deal,[20] mainly because environmentalists (citing Nestlé’s detrimental impact in communities where they already operate) raised alarms about the potentially devastating consequences for Aurora City’s watershed and nearby wetlands.[21] After a 7 to 4 vote of approval by the Aurora City Council and a unanimous agreement by the Chaffee County Commissioners, over the next decade Nestlé will extract 650 million gallons of Arkansas Valley water so that every day they can load 25 trucks with 8,000 gallons of water, drive 120 miles to a bottling plant in Denver, and fill millions of plastic Arrowhead Springs water bottles to be sold in the western US.[22]In addition to being targeted by locals who want control of their water sources back, Nestlé is also at the epicenter of the growing bottled water controversy. The company dominates nearly a third of the lucrative US bottled water market[23] with seven domestically-produced subsidiary brands (including Arrowhead Springs, Calistoga and Poland Spring)—making Nestlé a key contributor to one of today’s most significant environmental threats. That is, US consumers purchase about 28 billion bottles of water every year, but recycle only about 23 percent of the plastic petroleum-based containers used for water or soda. The rest end up polluting roadsides, landfills and oceans, and leach toxins into ecosystems while taking about a millennium to degrade.[24]


from the german coca-cola website:

https://i.imgur.com/etikuUu.png

it should be time for a big shit storm :)


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: (oYo) on April 03, 2015, 11:05:04 PM
Methane and Water Vapor are way, way, way more effective greenhouse gasses than CO2, but for whatever reaon CO2 gets all the bad press.  Meanwhile, the world's forests grows as measure by sattelite far outpace the predictions of the past century due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere.

http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forests.php

There's a lot more to atmospheric science than what 99% of the public understand and what is reported on main stream media outlets.

But I suspect the tropical forests will soon all die, due to water shortages.  This sort of thing can't continue for long -

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-majority-of-earths-potable-water-trapped-in,38356/


wait what?
scientist try to get fresh water out of coke products??
how does the fresh water come into the coke products in the first place?
just stop drinking sugar+acid water you idiots

/edit

so coca cola company needs in average 2,16 liter fresh water to produce 1 liter cola products. (2014)
using cola products will kill humanity and nature in the long run - think about it every time you drink a coke.

oh wait, i forgot that coca cola products are one of the unhealthiest products on our planet. probaly as problematic as radioactive material.

https://www.worldwildlife.org/projects/wwf-coca-cola-s-work-to-conserve-fresh-water

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/02/coca-cola-and-nestle-are-sucking-us-dry-without-us.aspx

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Human beings need five liters a day for hydration and 25 liters a day for minimum hygiene. That accounts for a whopping 1.5% of freshwater extraction for human purposes. Unconventional fuel-source extraction and ever-thirstier agriculture account for a wildly disproportionate share of the rest. The thinking goes that if there were a value placed on that remaining 98.5% of the water we use, we might use it in a more appropriate manner.

where is the the other 98,5% fresh water? over 2/3 of it is in cola and nestle products.

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The companies' conflicts with communities in Latin America, Asia, and Africa are too numerous and sordid to be invented from whole cloth. Moreover, the simple fact is that sucking groundwater out of one place, bottling it, and shipping it for sale in another place that typically already has perfectly safe public water ranks high on the list of stupid things to do with scarce water.

So yes, Coca-Cola and Nestle are indeed sucking us dry. So are our modern agricultural practices and unconventional oil and gas extraction, to an even greater extent. A blended privatization scheme may indeed be part of the solution, but if it's done right, it will only make life harder for Coke and Nestle.


http://www.indiaresource.org/campaigns/coke/2006/cokewwf.html

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The Coca-Cola company proudly boasts that it has a water use ratio of 2.7 to 1. That is, for every 2.7 liters of water (freshwater) it takes from the earth, it produces 1 liter of product. What happens to the remaining 1.7 liters (or 63%) of the water? It is used to clean bottles and machinery, and is discarded as wastewater.
[...]
Coca-Cola's water use ratio in India is 4 to 1 - that is, 75% of the freshwater it extracts is turned into wastewater. The company has indiscriminately discharged its wastewater into the surrounding fields, severely polluting the scarce remaining groundwater as well as soil.  

US citiziens, get ready to be shocked:

http://www.foodispower.org/water-usage-privatization/

Quote
For example, in Colorado, over a period of a few years, Nestlé spent a large amount of money negotiating a water deal with the three-member Board of Chaffee County Commissioners and with the Aurora City Council, while buying land in the areas near where the Arkansas River runs. Close to 80 percent of the county’s 17,000 residents opposed the deal,[20] mainly because environmentalists (citing Nestlé’s detrimental impact in communities where they already operate) raised alarms about the potentially devastating consequences for Aurora City’s watershed and nearby wetlands.[21] After a 7 to 4 vote of approval by the Aurora City Council and a unanimous agreement by the Chaffee County Commissioners, over the next decade Nestlé will extract 650 million gallons of Arkansas Valley water so that every day they can load 25 trucks with 8,000 gallons of water, drive 120 miles to a bottling plant in Denver, and fill millions of plastic Arrowhead Springs water bottles to be sold in the western US.[22]In addition to being targeted by locals who want control of their water sources back, Nestlé is also at the epicenter of the growing bottled water controversy. The company dominates nearly a third of the lucrative US bottled water market[23] with seven domestically-produced subsidiary brands (including Arrowhead Springs, Calistoga and Poland Spring)—making Nestlé a key contributor to one of today’s most significant environmental threats. That is, US consumers purchase about 28 billion bottles of water every year, but recycle only about 23 percent of the plastic petroleum-based containers used for water or soda. The rest end up polluting roadsides, landfills and oceans, and leach toxins into ecosystems while taking about a millennium to degrade.[24]


from the german coca-cola website:

https://i.imgur.com/etikuUu.png

it should be time for a big shit storm :)
Coca Cola and most every other NGO are a plague on this planet.

I watched a documentary about Coca Cola's impact in India and remember them saying it took nearly 3 litres of water to make 1 litre of coke. Water table levels that remained steady for generations had significantly dropped once Coca Cola moved into the territory. The company affected these water table levels for miles around causing people to have to either dig their wells deeper or travel elsewhere to find water. Not only did water levels drop, but the water also became contaminated. Coca Cola obviously denied they had anything to do with it.



Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 04, 2015, 03:17:25 AM
OK.... what is your opinion about the deforestation of tropical forests? They are being cut down at a alarming rate. 20% of the Amazonian rainforest have been cut down in the past 20 years. Hardly any rainforest will remain in Africa and Indonesia by 2025. If there is no rainforest, what is the advantage of having rising CO2 levels, other than sea-level rise?


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Spendulus on April 04, 2015, 06:14:48 PM
Methane and Water Vapor are way, way, way more effective greenhouse gasses than CO2, but for whatever reaon CO2 gets all the bad press.  Meanwhile, the world's forests grows as measure by sattelite far outpace the predictions of the past century due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere.

http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forests.php

There's a lot more to atmospheric science than what 99% of the public understand and what is reported on main stream media outlets.

But I suspect the tropical forests will soon all die, due to water shortages.  This sort of thing can't continue for long -

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-majority-of-earths-potable-water-trapped-in,38356/
What, you guys take it seriously?

It was from THE ONION!!!


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Wilikon on April 04, 2015, 06:50:06 PM
Methane and Water Vapor are way, way, way more effective greenhouse gasses than CO2, but for whatever reaon CO2 gets all the bad press.  Meanwhile, the world's forests grows as measure by sattelite far outpace the predictions of the past century due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere.

http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forests.php

There's a lot more to atmospheric science than what 99% of the public understand and what is reported on main stream media outlets.

But I suspect the tropical forests will soon all die, due to water shortages.  This sort of thing can't continue for long -

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-majority-of-earths-potable-water-trapped-in,38356/
What, you guys take it seriously?

It was from THE ONION!!!



 ;D



Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Borisz on April 04, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
After hearing the argument that "we should build more coal-fired power plants because the particle emissions reflect more heat generated by sunlight than the negative effect of the entrapped CO2" I thought I have heard everything.


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Wilikon on April 04, 2015, 07:24:33 PM
After hearing the argument that "we should build more coal-fired power plants because the particle emissions reflect more heat generated by sunlight than the negative effect of the entrapped CO2" I thought I have heard everything.


So... The particles would deflect sunlight, thus reducing global warming all over the world... Like a (super) volcano? Hum.




Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Borisz on April 04, 2015, 08:21:45 PM
After hearing the argument that "we should build more coal-fired power plants because the particle emissions reflect more heat generated by sunlight than the negative effect of the entrapped CO2" I thought I have heard everything.


So... The particles would deflect sunlight, thus reducing global warming all over the world... Like a (super) volcano? Hum.

Something like that, yes. Supposedly it was measured how much light they reflect and how that would effect the micro climate. But not all over the world, of course, more like locally. Btw, after filtering in a coal plant there shouldn't be much particles left anyway. The concept is actually doable with artificial particles too, which makes probably more sense as it can be better controlled.

Coal power companies must put a lot of money in such research.


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Spendulus on April 04, 2015, 08:31:45 PM
After hearing the argument that "we should build more coal-fired power plants because the particle emissions reflect more heat generated by sunlight than the negative effect of the entrapped CO2" I thought I have heard everything.


So... The particles would deflect sunlight, thus reducing global warming all over the world... Like a (super) volcano? Hum.



The windmills put a lot of smoke up in the atmosphere when they short and burn out, too.  This is a very good thing as it reflects sunlight, offsetting the carbon emissions generated during manufacture of the turbine (which is far greater than the carbon savings during use of the turbine).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Chtr76jJyA

Fortunately even after the demise of these projects they will still have great utility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQZ_PhvRE14


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Borisz on April 04, 2015, 08:45:43 PM
After hearing the argument that "we should build more coal-fired power plants because the particle emissions reflect more heat generated by sunlight than the negative effect of the entrapped CO2" I thought I have heard everything.


So... The particles would deflect sunlight, thus reducing global warming all over the world... Like a (super) volcano? Hum.



The windmills put a lot of smoke up in the atmosphere when they short and burn out, too.  This is a very good thing as it reflects sunlight, offsetting the carbon emissions generated during manufacture of the turbine (which is far greater than the carbon savings during use of the turbine).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Chtr76jJyA

Fortunately even after the demise of these projects they will still have great utility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQZ_PhvRE14

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: mrcashking on April 04, 2015, 08:49:16 PM
Now all we gotta do is stop chopping them the fuck down.

This is the main thing that needs to be done, they are alive and have been for longer than our fathers and their fathers and we chop them down at the rate we do is sickening i really do hate it all them animals that get wiped out along the way. I have a friend that grows weed he swears by co2, that gets them super bushy, well so he says ;) Stop chopping the lungs of the planet and our children might just survive the tree's have survived worse levels than current and they ended up around most of the planet for the dinosaurs.  

The algae and plankton in the oceans do more than the rain forests oxygenwise. But, have you seen that Clive Cussler, 2005 movie, Sahara? In that movie, some joker had a factory in Mali, Africa, that dumped a bunch of deadly toxins into the water of the Niger River. If they had made their way to the ocean, they would have killed off the Atlantic. I wonder how badly we are damaging the oceans with all the nuclear testing and toxic waste dumping in areas that are not regulated. We just might need the rain forests for oxygen some day.

:)

Yeh i have seen a few documentaries about plankton which does about 90% of it currently if i remember right, but i also see that they are dying off unless that is false of course. I will watch that Clive Clussler 2005 movie tonight cheers!

That is the thing most of the population do not give a shit and dump everything and anything in the ocean especially the big companies that should get shut down and bankrupted but they end up getting bonuses and a big well done. Not quite but nothing really happens about it does it.

It is sad to think about how we as the people are letting these fkas do what they are doing to this planet if it carries on we won't have much longer to react before it is to late then we wish we would have done something, loads of different sea creatures are beaching in mass deaths probably for the reasons you state above

:(


Title: Re: Carbon Dioxide Emissions Help Tropical Rain Forests Grow Faster
Post by: Spendulus on April 04, 2015, 09:24:04 PM
......loads of different sea creatures are beaching in mass deaths probably for the reasons you state above

:(
I've walked down a lot of beaches and seen a couple dead porpoises, one tragic drowning of a girl, lots of washed ashore jellyfish, including the nasty purple ones, two red tides, and a couple cases where the weather flipped and fish died en mass before they could go where ever they go hide.

But those widely publicized mass deaths, aren't those something of a complete mystery as to cause?