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I am very confident that Satoshi Nakamoto is from Europe and not from USA or America or from Asia.
Let me explain how i come to this conclusion. This idea came when i see the time of the first genesis Block. It was established at 18:15:05 GMT.
I am very sure that Satoshi first runs his miner gpu from his apartment. The next logical step is to do this in his personal afternoon relaxing time.
The second evidence is the time that have post in this forum.
If you see this statics
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=statPanel

the time that he has done most of his posts was between 15:00 to 23:00 GMT time. He has near zero posts in the morning job europe zone time from 7 to 12.
I have not search if this few posts that has done from 6:00 7:00 or 9:00 GMT time is from one general day or in that day there is a national holiday in a europe country.
The most popular time that he has done some posts here is 17:00 GMT and that means

19:00 Athens Greece
20:00 Moscow Russia
18:00 Vienna Austria
18:00 Rome Italy
18:00 Berlin Germany
18:00 Paris France

Geeks work at night, spending countless hours in front of the computer behind closed curtains...

I have kids, so I usually work at the library in weekends or in the middle of the night. Many things could explain Satoshis posting times - especially since we KNOW he changed time zones of his files/emails.

However I think you're on a good path. If one were to collect clues like that you could assign probabilities to each clue/location and narrow your search more and more.

If you, like you mention, cross reference special holidays with postings you might get a clue to a single country.

You could also do text analysis for special phrases, sentences or sayings that might be of local nature. I you get really lucky there might be a certain misspelled word or very unique sentence that you could search for and find other avatars posting in the same style of language.

Has anyone for instance compared the wring style of Satoshi and Gavin Andreesen or other early contributors? Being anonymous is time consuming so its not unlikely that he might have merged to a real avartar while just using "Satoshi" for the dangerous stuff.

Have others here considered that the reasoin Satoshi disappeared after Gavins CIA meeting was either:
A: They told him: Dude we know its you chill.
B: Gavin is Satoshi and realized the CIA were kinda cool/not dangerous and stopped his Satoshi activity.
C: CIA knew and threatened him to become an insider.
(D: CIA used Gavin to capture/kill Satoshi - I don't see this as plausible AT ALL.)

I know the common explanation is that Satoshi stopped all contact with Gavin after the CIA meeting, but why? He was already staying anonymous and KNEW someone like the CIA might try to read every email/post he made, so whats the difference?
Even if he felt betrayed by Gavin, why not continue talking to others?
If he felt the Bitcoin project didn't need him anymore, why at that precise time?

Actually....who cares?

Who Satoshi is or is not does matter at all.

Yeah, maybe he posted after work, before work, on his lunch break. Maybe he worked some kind of night-shift and posted when coming home, before going to work, etc. We can't possibly figure out anything based on these observations unfortunately. Or maybe he was studying in the UK or something while releasing Bitcoin initially.

old news..

about 4 years ago we figured he had a british based background.. look at the friggin newspaper he quoted in the genesis block....!!!

it wasnt the new york times or the greek, french whatever.. it was a UK newspaper...
also to add the linguistics of his writing from posts and emails, these are not american-english nor is it second language english. its british english.

so thanks for pointing out the timezones of satoshi's posts.. i think even i made a post about this many many months ago, and so again nothing new.

but thanks for trying.

Gavin is not Satoshi.  Personality is completely different.

I dont think so that the most post for a tech guy to be 17:00 afternoon. this is the most lazy hour for someone especially for a geek person or a professor or...
I like to say that everyone can mask his ip, his id, he can left some fake clues but he cant joke the time. And the time of his post even from his genesis block is here. Compare them with a real life of everyone person. I think the key to find the country of Satoshi Nakamoto is the few morning post and the days that they do them

satoshi emerged to point out that he's not dorian nakamoto, so he's probably still alive.

It might be a good idea to create a fake person claiming he is satoshi, then have the real one point out he is not that guy. We will continue to know he is alive.



You never know. He might be travelling then . Anything is possible. :)

There is No Satoshi Nakamoto as a person he is actually three people under one name

how did you came into such conclusion?

because I know who two of them are from working on bitgold but there was another I dont know but have a vague idea

He is english, im sure

It's hard to say, we can't come conclusion either.

"Satoshi Nakamoto" is actually a Japanese name ,so it's believed satoshi is a Japanese.

And Satoshi might be a group instead of a person, I can imagine how hard to creat such big thing by on-man.

Definitly. He definitely speaks English, and very good english at that. He could also be a Japanese born in America/Europe, but it's certain he speaks good english.


I personally think Satoshi is a Japanese born in America.

everyone denies it but I most certainly know two of the three and my guess for the third would be Wei Dai

that's ridiculous (no offense). look at my name; despite its Japanese origin I'm not Japanese
you seriously think that whoever Satoshi is, he would use his real name? I don't think so

I'm 90% sure that Satoshi is from UK. his English is outstanding, and he said the words bloody hard and grey once or twice.

It's difficult to make a conclusion based on some general assumption. Regardless of time zone, geeks usually stay awake and work throughout the night, but that doesn't mean they share the same preferences as he/she could prefer working during morning or afternoon.

I would somewhat doubt that he only worked 5 hours per day. For someone as smart as him this is a very small amount of time to be working every day considering the standard work week is generally at least 35 hours (or 7 hours plus lunch per day)

He can post anytime he wants, so we don't know he post in the morning/afternoon/everning/night
What happen if he works at night and sleep at morning ?

And his name is from japan, not europe

Trust me. He is an African kid. He gets cheaper rates at night.

Isn't it obvious, that he is either the government or a group and not an individual?
He  might even be some one like Paypal.

I like the conspiracy theorys :D

They care for a number of reasons, its kinda strange someone could create something so revolutionary but not want the credit, doesnt happen often in history.  Im with you though since everything is open source not bothered who satoshi is.

We know the reason why he wanted to remain anonymous and left us.
It's called US goverment.

Um, case in point?  I know I just surf the net from about 16:30 onwards at work?

What happens if this is what satoshi wants you to believe? He created a revolutionary technology and has so far left little to no clues and remained completely anonymous, so do you not think he has the intelligence to leave things so people trying to search for him follow a wild goose chase or lead people down the wrong path? Personaly, I hope he's a prankster.

Greece would most likely be the correct time zone. I read a theory of Satoshi Nakamoto being a man from Greece, can't remember where it was though.  >:(

People have analysed his writing style and have found him to be from several countries.

"Satoshi Nakamoto was either a group of people or a Genius"- can't remember who said it.

He is everybody.

He was a Masonic too. See here!

https://i.imgur.com/BdNXoTz.png

As I said before he is three people and if you notice around that time three people were mining and even stranger none of the first wallets have ever been opened in years

how can Satoshi Nakamoto so mysterious ???
I thought he was a success. why he could must hide him self?

Its not one person I had dealings with them about a year before bitcoin whitepaper while I and some others worked on bitgold its three people though I never met the third

To protect the network. But who knows, maybe Satoshi is also the NSA or so.

It's all so clear to me now.  Satoshi was from Europe, AND must be a woman because these are boobies.

https://i.imgur.com/3HdxNak.png


Come on. We all know Satoshi is Nick Szabo. Stop trying to confuse us.

https://i.imgur.com/wnwIemZ.jpg

I don't doubt it's possible he is more than one person, but him being more than one also makes it more difficult to keep their secret.


I once saw someone say about satoshi 'he is very sexy with his mysteries' lol.


I reallllllllllly hope not.

Satoshi Nakamoto is part of the bitilluminati. Once more and more people join Bitcoin, there turns out to be a backdoor that no one noticed for some reason, and Bitcoin becomes centralized, creating the "New Bit Order"


I think I saw an article somewhere theorizing that Bitcoin was made by the NSA or something. I will try to find that article.

EDIT: here it is! https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/nsa-bitcoin-1996/
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

Anyone who has followed the behaviour of the Qora developer has to sometimes wonder if he is Satoshi or BCNext. He is such an enigma to even Qora supporters due to his low key behaviour. The code suggests a very experienced coder as well now it is open source. I know Qora gets no love but ai think that due to the dveloper who doesnt seem to play the game that other coins do, he just seems to like the technology. Like Satoshi he hasn't even touched the Bitcoin from the IPO, he seems completely unconcerned about it, almost autistic which is the vibe I always got from Satoshi.

I'm digressing, my main point is he once said he was from Europe, possibly Netherlands if my memory doesnt fail me. And if anyone knows the Dutch they know they speak pitch perfect English.

He is from North Europe everyone knows that most possible Germany

Satoshi Nakamoto is the dev also for NakamotoDark i suppose.
One of the main traded coin on bittrex.
It's not a case....

GPU miner, really? I've always thought that a cpu was enough at difficulty 1.

 Imo the most possible job for Satoshi if we accept that he is from europe is to be a professor at university in one europe capital. That explains for me and the time of his posts, and the time of zero posts and other things like his perfect english language and also explains the less job hours in morning and the late night posts.

That is the time that the block was added and you don't know how long it took to do add it. It could have taken a day, so you don't know when he was actually active.

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I'm not from Europe

According to trace the behavior of reasoning. I think there is credibility.

to my knowledge it is the satoshi Nakamoto asia,, whether the news I get right or wrong ..
if indeed he came from europe why he has a name like asian ??
I think it's satoshi Nakamoto is the name of some people who were in asia .. and I am still not convinced that you are saying that it Nakamoto satoshi european ..

sigh..
firstly, you quoted the wrong guy.
secondly, Asian names doesn't mean they're from Asia; especially as Japanese names are so popular..
thridly thirdly, improve your English.  ;D

The time can't explain things I think. Many people work at night and ignore the time, so do I.

I speak russian with a Moscow accent,spanish with a Madrid accent and I come from neither of the two.

Very good points.
Also, I'm sure that satoshi Nakamoto is just alias and not the real name, so I don't understand really why people focus so much on this name.
His real name can be John Smith, and he can be American or  Victor Hugo and he can be French, we will never know.
Also, he can be American on the holiday in Europe when he wrote his posts, so to assume anything based on the facts above is useless.

nick szabo.

Bingo he is one of the three names that constitutes as Satoshi Nakamoto,I worked with nick numerous times on bitgold that Bitcoin is based on

You don't know how long it took to do determine the nonce so you don't know when he was actually active.

#2 Zooko?

Or maybe Satoshi Nakamoto is from another planet and everything we know about him is fake in the first place.

Hal Finney

you are close.
one of them was on the news, he was feeling like stupid when he sold his coins early
his profit from btc: he still got a house, some traveling, says now all money gone

they left many clues who and where they are..

first clue, block number 1.

according to my research there were 3 people mining at the start,and if you check apart from testing wallets by sending btc to each other none of the first 3 wallets have sold any bitcoin.There wallets have been inactive for years

100% agree with you, who the hell cares about where is "him" or from where is "him"? as i sayd 1000 times already, dont wasted your time with that questions and just enjoy what "he" give to us, a very nice gift, the BTC,ENJOY IT.


exactly, this will explain lot of things ;)

Is it possible someone would have a physical copy of the UK's "The Times" newspaper sitting right in front of them if they weren't in Europe?

(see signature)

Unless they also post it on their site...

-B-

A lot of people are interested who founded bitcoin and who they are,just because your not does not mean others are not.If you dont want to be part of the research leave the thread.

satoshi is a single person....

but your half right. he did work with others such as hal finney and also got idea's about different concepts from people like nickszabo, wai, etc.. but it was only the single person with the monaka of satoshi that made the white paper and brought all the concepts from different people into one.

just like gavin andressen is now coding bitcoin with others adding their concepts in, there are now over 100 people helping out to make bitcoin. but that does not mean gavin andressen is 100 people

And for my point of view is not very important to find who is Satoshi. If he want to be anonymous we must respect this. But i see a time pattern in his posts in this forum and i like to share this. The fact is that we will never find who is if he didn't want to but we can find easily where is he from

It's an interesting analysis, but it's hard to draw a real conclusion from it. Most of the coder geeks I know work all sorts of crazy hours, often in the middle of the night. We are also assuming here that Satoshi is a single person, but we don't know.

Still, thanks for looking into this angle, it's fun to think about.

are you forgetting about torrents?

Well.

There are few possibilities to get this information. I mean to know what is inside of the newspaper. No matter where you are on the planet earth.

When I was thinking about Satoshi Nakamoto a year ago my personal feeling (dunno why) was that he might be settled in Spain. But this is just some lucky guess. And no one knows where is Satoshi Nakamoto from :)

BTW. Did you ever thought why Satoshi was writing "TOR" instead of "Tor" in his posts? :) Funny. Isn't?

Kind regards.

Geeks work at night，it's very normal.

probably because Tor is an acronym of "The Onion Router".

actually, some people will write Tor as TOR without thinking simply because it has no meaning; and something with 3 letters as it's name and doesn't have a meaning is usually an acronym or an abbreviation.

I'm just saying.
Tor is Tor as a name of the project. And Satoshi was doing this "mistake" because we was not Hal Finney or Hal Finney was pretending that he is not himself and to mislead us he was writing TOR :D

Poor Satoshi. I wish to see him posting again. Damn hornets scares him away.

me,
 the thing  which got me make think of this  is his using of (gmx)  mail service.