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Hello,

What is the best way to use a coin mixer? How shall I proceed to avoid most stupid mistakes? Is it working? Did you try it? In short, I don't know anything about the mixing services, and was looking for some recommendations... btw it's for 0.01 btc, is it possible, with the fees and co? thank you a lot for your sharing help.

The two biggest ones are Blockchain.info's shared send and bitmixer.io

Shared send requires a wallet on BC.info to use. It uses a mixing technique called Coin Join which lets you mix coins without having to give control of them to BC.info (in theory at least, BC.info can always modify the JS). When it first came out it did a very poor job at mixing. It has since been improved, though I don't think it's been thoroughly analyzed for potential weaknesses yet.

Bitmixer.io is a mixing service run by an anonymous person. You don't need to create an account or anything and it seems to do a pretty good job at mixing. You do have to give control of the coins to an anonymous person though, and they could steal them if they wanted to.

I'm not sure if mixing such a small amount of BTC is worth it, there will be significant fees.

I would support the Bitmixer.io call. They have a good volume which is essential to get reasonable amounts of Bitcoins mixed well.

Other mixers dont have enough volme to supposrt this.

If you don't mind me to ask...
What is mixing all about? Why would one need to mix it's BTC's?
What would be benefit of doing it? Just curious, I'm new in crypto world :-)

Ahh, to try to get better anonymity?

And, just a hypothetical here... what if you wanted to mix saaaaaay, I don't know... 18,871.69541682 BTC.

And not get cau.... I mean not get... um  cauliflower?

Yes it's to try and get some level of privacy. Bitcoin is not anonymous despite what some people will say. Satoshi Nakamoto may have published Bitcoin anonymously, but anonymity was never part of it's design. When you make a transaction with Bitcoin, you should pretty much consider it to be public record forever that you made it.

There are tools that you can use to improve the privacy of your Bitcoin transactions, such as a Bitcoin mixer which is supposed to prevent against certain kinds of Blockchain analysis and Tor which provides IP anonymization. Not all mixers do a good job at preventing blockchain analysis, the mixing service still knows that you made the tx, and there are still many other ways to deanonymize your transactions.

You should use a random fee for your transaction(for bitmixer between 1 and 3%) and wait some time before you do the withdraw.


And you need to trust the mixer won't give away your info

That and Mixers in general are like magic machines where you put your coins from one end and you hope that they come out the other end.

Check out my signature :D

I think Bitmixer.io is best for high volumes. Blockchain.info shared coin had some problems recently, I don't think whether it is fixed or not. And, is there any detailed article or anything about 'How mixing works?' including the technical part? Thanks! :)

   ~~MZ~~

Instead of trying a mixer why don't you just send your coins to a reputable dice site or exchange then withdraw them. That's a cheaper way of mixing though if you want to mix them very well try bitmixer or something for further security but unless you're doing something that needs it I'd go with my first option.

Well, maybe 1 exchange not be good enough. their hot wallet adresses are used again and again.
So I think at least 3 exchanges, multiple and different sizes should be.
For instance;
Send 1 btc to Ex1
Send from Ex1 0.5 to Ex2
Send from Ex1 0.5 to Ex3
Send 0.5's in 2 parts (0.2 & 0.3) to Ex1 and then make purchase.


edit or you may just use cex.io. I think they're sending from "freshly mined" coins, that has no background.

You can do it for small amounts but for higher amounts, mixing services are best.

   ~~MZ~~

But when you send coins to an exchange they might put the coins into a hot wallet but the coins you get back likely wont be the ones you sent in but different.

Ahh i see, thank you very much.
Although i have nothing to hide, i would refer tat my transactions would be anonymous. Just like using cash. And one of the reason governments wants to get rid of cash is to take anonymity away from us.
Well i hope mixers become part of bit coin in the future and not only services provided by someone.....
And there are going o be plenty of forces fighting against...   

You're not the one holding the BitStamp coins, are you?

:P

The only down side is the admin of that dice site or exchange will keep your transaction records. It won't be a problem for you, unless you obtained the coins through illegal actions and the authority asks the site admin to give them your info.

You are then trusting the exchanges to keep your information private. If you consider that most of the exchanges try hard to comply with the laws, that information can easily be obtained by the government anytime.

i used bitmixer.io for some larger transactions and blockchain.info (shared coin feature) for lesser tx
everything done smoothly, i recommend it for you

If you want full anonymity then do it over TOR on bitcoinfog.

Guide for safely mixing bitcoins
http://bitcoinmixerguide.wordpress.com/

Many people suggested Bitmixer.io and me too. Bitmixer.io is popular in this forum especially their signature campaign. So i think bitmixer.io is the best place for mixers. Bitmixer.io already 3/4 years on this forum. CMIIW.

I have no idea what a Bitcoin mixer is. Even though I have a Bitcoin mixer in my signature. You just mix your coins with other people's I guess.

pretty much everything you need to know about mixing and how to do it more efficiently is written in their FAQ section, no matter where you are doing your mix. but try to use some place that is old and trusted like bitmixer.io to avoid any scam or bitcoin loss. you can add extra fee, time between multiple out transaction,...

for an extra layer of anonymity you can always use a service like shapeshift to exchange your bitcoin to an altcoin and then back to bitcoin. you just have to pay extra fees.

There's a couple of ways to mix your coins.
Obviously, there are bitcoin mixing sites. bitmixer.io is the most known one, but there are others such as [banned mixer].

Another way of mixing your coins is to buy altcoins with the bitcoins you want to mix (preferably one that is stable), send it to another exchange, then exchange it back into bitcoin and sending them to where ever you want.

Yes, and by using this way of mixing with exchanges you should have more security.
Of course someday an anonymous mixing site owner will disappear with the coins.
If you use a known exchange you should be saver.

a good mixer is https://xmr.to/ it's pretty convenient and anoymous

i like to mixer with altcoin that come with feature that maybe bitcoin will have in the future

I prefer to use an altcoin exchange too.

Use some high-liquidity altcoins such as Litecoin or Dogecoin. The transaction fees are also small.

I think the easiest and the most secure way to mix bitcoin is to deposit it to a well known exchange and withdraw it after some hours, then you will receive a new coins instead of the one you had. but it may be not perfect  as in mixing sites

The best thing to do with mixers, is to avoid them altogether, there should be no need for an honest income to ever need this sort of obfuscation and it is a "cute" term for money laundering. If you must use them, just look around for big threads here, lots of good reviews and minimal scam reports.

yeah, you are right about nobody with honest income wants to hide his income.

but you are forgetting about privacy. a lot of the people who use mixers, use them to reach some level of privacy and anonymity. it is not necessarily with bad intents.

for example a person might not want any random person on the internet to know how much he owns bitcoin and where does he keep them.

besides, sometimes it is good to reach this level of privacy and anonymity because you might be targeted for phishing attacks and other sorts of hacking if it becomes known how much bitcoin you own and where you keep them.

I think privacy can be obtained by those wanting to store BTC in a stash and not want people to know about it.  I can understand people who want this as some don't want holdings to be known about.  And that is their right as it's really no ones else business in most cases. I personally.... don't think mixers are best for this I would mine it myself to an address.  You could not convince me to trust any mixer enough to send money and hope it comes back.  But some love them.

The big thing I see is if you ever want to use it you really lose the anonymous part of it.   If you exchange for good/service likely can be linked to you.  So I think if your end goal is to use it trying to hide it through mixers is kinda a waste of time even.

Using of Tor hidden services to mix bitcoins
http://bitcoinmix.wordpress.com

Other option that you have is simply trade bitcoin for litecoin (or other altcoin) and after that exchange again to bitcoin. This will provide you a basic anonymity.

I did not click link due to computer I'm on.  But I personally don't trust mixers to begin with.   Add one that is on a tor site that you have no idea about where it's being hosted, or who's behind it.  Sounds like perfect storm to be scammed and know nothing about who did it.

I strongly suggest people think before mixing.  As eventually if you do use the BTC chances are it's tied to your name if you buy something physicall, digital might not be.   So depends on what you buy.  But if buying a physical item does not make a ton of sense to mix.... as you are buying something to be shipped to you in most cases.

Their are enough parties. But the only one I would trust my coins is Bitmixer. Some time ago they gave a user who transferred some bitcoin wrongly 6BTC bonus.
Which means they are 1. healthy and 2. trustworthy.

That is a great observation.  I have read here and there that bitmixer.io runs a LARGE amount of BTC.  THat would likely mean that they are indeed healthy in that they probably make a nice profit.

I can vouch that they are trustworthy as well in resolving a smaller matter some time ago that was partly my fault (hence, follow instructions!).

Their service is good, and as far as I can tell it is not easy to trace BTC back through their service.  And I have tried (using blockchain.info's taint analysis tool).

If you wish to mix LARGE amounts of BTC, then break them up into smaller chunks, and use their features of sending to different addresses and using time delays.

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blockchain.info's mixing services (SharedCoin) works most of the time, but I have had minor problems that I was able to work out in the end.  Having more than one mixing service is a good thing!

Yes bitmixer is most trustworthy and always a stable services to rely on any time. Due to their signature campaign I came to know their services and had a very good experience with them. Not only for higher volume mixing, we can go for them with small amount of coins also to ensure our anonymity.

https://coinmix-service.lima-city.de/    --->    is a simple good coin combiner  :-*

Chipmixer makes a good job. Mixing is simple there, if not the site crashes just at the moment you mix. But support answers very fast and helps out. Just great. Was my first experience on a mixer.

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