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Trying to use paypal or amazon let me know

But now you wanna do close to 1200 through credit card?

Seems suspicious. No offense

What is the loan for, if u dont mind sharing ?

Also dont you think this would be better in the lending section ? :)

Lol

Im not asking for a loan

seems an odd thing to be buying btc when you are 'cash strapped'?

I would think you not being good with money and not making the smartest choices is very relevant if someone is going to trust you to trade with.

why dont you buy directly with your credit card ?

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They don't sell physical coins...only the digital currency.

I need some stuff from amazon or possibly other online websites. I will send BTC once I get an email stating the items have shipped. PM me if interested.

PM sent

Potentially working out a deal with rugged man dan...will update thread

I've Pmed u.

I'm still a bit confused by your offer...I will reply.

Purchasing 4 physical BTC from trynmpo at preev + 6% via pp...he will ship in 1-2 days..I will confirm once received

transaction in process with OP with mutual understandings !!

That's a high risk loan, good luck.

I bought them from him, not a loan.

Sorry thought you paypalled it. the loan was a mistake, just high risk I meant.

Still awaiting bitcoin

Seller it has been more than 24 hours. A response and release would be a good idea.
Unless cold feet, than refund asap.

Should have used escrow, in all of trynmpo's deals, he sent first

Agreed, but it could be as simple as overtime at work, etc. May still be to soon to come to any conclusions.
Trashing an account of a $1400 ish paypal payment? That can be reversed?

Yeap , actually he also Pmed me this :



I  guess we talking about the same guy.

So who went first?

Meat.

Meanwhile, if your interested.I could help you out.
won't do more than $100; via paypal.
but could help.

Can escrow the bitcoin if your not wanting to send first again.

Thanks for the offer...I am going to wait to get this sorted out first before I do any other deals. What are my options if he does not send the bitcoin?

Well, since you sent with a credit card, you're in pretty good shape. First try PayPal - an unauthorized transaction claim or an item not received claim if you can convince them you purchased a physical item. If that doesn't work, just go to your credit card and it's pretty hard to lose, especially with Amex.

Hmm...looks like I'm definitely being duped then...bc in the invoice he sent me this is the note he put:

Note from merchant
Please pay mentioned amount for the consultancy services i provided !! there is no physical goods involved in this !!

Didn't even know the significance of the physical good part. Are you saying that I cannot get paypal to reverse it now since the invoice says that? Even if I say he was supposed to send me BTC and did not send it?

Only way you stand a chance is if you file a claim for unauthorized payment on your account however if you sent from the typical IP address you use to login, PayPal won't side with you. I would call your CC and file a did not authorize dispute. You're going to have to lie and all but its your only chance. That is your only hope but honestly from hearing the situation good chance you're screwed and won't get your money back. Welcome to PayPal where scammers always win there.

Yeah, that means you're pretty much not going to win that sort of claim.

Amex takes care of their customers. You won't lose with them.

Well in this case I am completely F'ed because instead of going the CC route, I used this thing called Paypal Credit because they offered me 6 months  with no payments or interest for anything over $100

Well now I don't have any more money for any BTC...I am done with BTC...can't believe this.

Everyone please leave trynmpo negative feedback, he was a green trusted prior to this transaction.

Done. Please let me know if anything changes so that I can adjust my feedback accordingly.

Damn...I feel pretty stupid.

I wasn't really worried because all I hear about is how risky Paypal is for the seller and the buyer can easily chargeback any time...I figured if he tried to scam I could always just dispute. I had no idea about the digital goods policy.

I would at least TRY to file a did not authorize dispute. You might not win but at least try. But yeah you're most likely out of that money.

Don't give up and make chargeback.
I'm sure calling paypal and so , then you can get your money back.
also if money wasn't sent via friend/family,then you have big chance to win this.

I disputed the charge but not sure if I'll have much luck.

If you can speak proper english , then i suggest you also call paypal.
My friend always calling pp and everything getting solved really fast.
Etc this may be luck with rep.

You sent all 4btc in paypal to him?

Report your card as stolen, maybe?

I'm assuming the account was bought. That would make it pretty difficult to track him down.

Yes

Oh snap that was for the full 4 btc?

If this is your account and you file with Amex, paypal may debit your account, and not his. So Start with a paypal dispute.
Than move onto amex. The note he left could screw you. And if his account was a one off, than he could be gone,
You will get the cash back from Amex, but may kill your paypal in the process :(

Looks like the scammer was still online this morning. Hopefully not tryin to scam anyone else.

You don't say...

Wow.. They still have to have their own line for credit card. CALL BOTH. Call about the dispute and call about charging back your card!

You need to be active in this if you want your funds back. If you do this all through online dispute, YOU WILL LOSE.

paypal is useless in terms of dispute, mostly... Lost a total of £600 in two ocassions via paypal and they did nothing. So i suggest you to be more active in the CC front.

@meat + any others scammed via PayPal.

I can help you. We can conference call paypal together and there is a 90% chance I can get your issue resolved within 48 hours and have funds back to you.

PM me.

How was this not supposed to end bad :s

To be completely honest, I don't think many would really be too worried buying bitcoins with paypal or credit card... not a lot can go wrong for the buyer if they know their stuff. Unfortunately, OP did not.

Are you looking to charge the OP ?

What you need to do is screenshot everything, provide links, and provide detailed information after you open up a case in the dispute section. You need to call Paypal and talk to them on the phone, communicating through email and Paypal updates alone takes way to long and is not as successful as calling them. Provide screenshots of everything you think will help prove your case (his past trades, posts, your PM's with him, these posts, etc.). Contact other people's he's traded with for his PP address if they have it and use that too. You'll most likely win the dispute, and his only counter-case would be saying he provided his "consultant services" which he would never be able to prove because they don't exist.

Keep in mind that Bitcoin purchases/sales are against PP's ToS. If the OP provides proof that involves BTC, he will likely have his account frozen/lose the dispute.

Nope, I've seen bitcoin sales on eBay

Paypal and eBay are owned jointly, while some things are only allowed on the one site. eBay allows BTC sales and I highly doubt OP will get his account frozen and $1200 scammed with Paypal just letting it slide, all he has to say is he didn't read the ToS clearly enough, if even that. If eBay and Paypal are jointly owned and one is being a middleman for BTC sales through Paypal, he's most likely getting his money back.

As per Paypal's ToS:

Items/transactions not eligible for PayPal Seller protection

    Intangible items, including Digital Goods, and services.

As per Paypal's ToS all currency exchanging services are prohibited. The reason I posted is because that's the process you go through if you want to get your money back. You're not going to get anywhere lying about the situation unless you want to claim an unauthorized transaction to your bank. If you're not providing proof it's basically the OP's word against the Seller's word (where he's lying). If the seller can't provide proof that he provided consulting services to the OP and the OP provides proof that the trade was under different circumstances then he's going to get his money refunded.

You'd be a fool if you think this is a sound business plan. I personally know someone who has had his account banned for solely doing just that.

Negative.
The op should of had it stipulate in the comment "A Payment of 4BTC to be made to wallet ####"
at least paypal could trace it. I'm sure they have a clue.

The comment is probably what screws him honestly :(

You should message that person and tell them to get in contact with Paypal/eBay again to get their account unbanned. Take a look - http://www.ebay.com/bhp/bitcoin

USA ebay allows it. and the markup is nuts lol

President of Global Marketing made this statement - www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2n65df/ebays_president_of_global_marketing_business/ , I know it used to be banned, but only the US eBay site is allowing it? It seems since it's a worldwide currency that isn't owned by any country it would be allowed everywhere except in the places required by law to have it banned.

If you attempt to post to ebay.ca in cryptocurrency (an actual category) It blocks it, saying only allowed on .com.........

Don't bother selling on eBay. If you're vigilant you won't lose any coins, but you'll experience chargebacks on about 99.9% of payments. I sold fractions of a BTC to 20-30 buyers and every single one charged back. I never sent anyone BTC (because they weren't able to fulfill the requirements), but it was still a massive waste of time and resources.

It's going to be mostly compromised accounts making eBay purchases for bitcoin.

Sorry, but if you didn't send them bitcoin then what did you expect them to do? Let you keep their money?

I've been following this thread intently. I was scammed out of 10btc back when it was $1000 a pop. I learnt my lesson but watching this thread and others I'm left wondering are there any safe places to buy and sell btc? It's such a worrying part of btc that it's so easy to scam.

And if you just hold it, it's not really worth having at all, no matter how safe it is.

Ha...no. I sent a code to the confirmed eBay address of the buyer (as explained in the description). They needed to send me that code for me to send them the BTC. This serves two purposes - one which is verifying the person controlling the account controls that address and two, the shipping time creates a waiting period where most unauthorized payment chargebacks occur.

Unauthorized payment chargebacks occurred during this waiting period on basically all of them.

Paypal is not prohibiting digital service. They are just wont cover the loss in this area. Server hosting is part of the digital service.

Any update?

Take what I'm about to say with the understanding that someone robbed you of money...

PayPal often reverses transactions if the PayPal account has been hacked/compromised. Likewise, if you paid with a credit card and that card is reported lost/stolen, they will often reverse charges.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do here, but... You were robbed. Getting your money back isn't wrong, in my humble opinion.

You were an idiot to not file a dispute right away and to actually believe his story you had to wait 48 hours or whatever. Paypal generally will side with you if you were obviously scammed if the funds have not been withdrawn from the account. However, since its been so long and you've obviously been slow with this matter, the funds are 99.99% gone from the account. So now it leaves two options:

1) You take the hit for the $1000+ scammed pull here
or
2) PayPal takes the hit for the $1000+ scammed pull here

Obviously PayPal is going to fight and make sure they aren't on the losing end of the stick here. Sorry OP but good luck with this one. I would get the police involved but even then you're 99% screwed here.

I opened the dispute on Monday which was the first business day after the transaction (Friday).

We'll see what happens...I will update next time there is something to report.

You can say whatever it was. Just say you were duped and he took your money. But you have to CALL. They will shut you down through dispute. Say it was a computer mining contract and they never came through and lead you along. Be honest and say you got screwed and need help.

Thanks...I am going to call them today and will update thread on what they say.

Can you post the PP address in a scam accusation to make sure no one else gets hit with it later on when the scammer makes another account?

Sure, I will do that shortly.

Re: the call to paypal...I just got off the phone with them. They have escalated it to a claim today rather than having to wait until Friday. I don't want to give any more details here for certain reasons but PM me if interested.

Be careful seems suspicious

I'm not sure what your commenting on? Lol

Any new updates on the situation?

WTF <<<<  :o My Account was compromised !! please reveal details of the person who scammed you !! i was on vacation from November !! my account is fully FUCKED UP !!

Need some pretty epic proof, sorry, could be a good scam.

Even if it was a hacker who took control of his account, he'd be responsible for the damage dome while the hacker had control of his account.

Most likely hacker could change password & email to keep account, just to scam more or so :x
But he don't have any proof.

Any update on this?