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Title: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: ndnh on January 13, 2015, 04:49:08 AM before they take over the gambling section :-\
Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: moreia on January 13, 2015, 05:01:39 AM not much we can do about it...the fad will die down soon hopefully
Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: koshgel on January 13, 2015, 05:16:48 AM not much we can do about it...the fad will die down soon hopefully Exactly. Not much we can do unless admin decides to change the rules regarding them. It's not even the number of ponzis but the constant bumping and spam they are putting on this board. That should at least constitute some bans for these operators. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: ndnh on January 13, 2015, 05:17:22 AM not much we can do about it...the fad will die down soon hopefully Why not? Add ponzis (or scams, to be more direct) like the Games and Rounds one. And ponzis should be allowed to create threads only on that board. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: williamj2543 on January 13, 2015, 05:18:40 AM Ponzis should definitely have its own board, but there is also a problem with that. If it has its own board it encourages more of these and people with their fake sites will be scamming people there with ease. On the other hand it will separate real gambling threads from the ponzi schemes, and while ponzis are gambling sites they work in a different way.
Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: koshgel on January 13, 2015, 05:19:52 AM Ponzis should definitely have its own board, but there is also a problem with that. If it has its own board it encourages more of these and people with their fake sites will be scamming people there with ease. On the other hand it will separate real gambling threads from the ponzi schemes, and while ponzis are gambling sites they work in a different way. It won't encourage people after they lose their BTC savings. These aren't even a gamble as the operators are the only sure winners. I guarantee if there was a board with only ponzis. It would be dead after two days. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: NextPonzi on January 13, 2015, 05:23:23 AM Ponzis should definitely have its own board, but there is also a problem with that. If it has its own board it encourages more of these and people with their fake sites will be scamming people there with ease. On the other hand it will separate real gambling threads from the ponzi schemes, and while ponzis are gambling sites they work in a different way. It won't encourage people after they lose their BTC savings. These aren't even a gamble as the operators are the only sure winners. I guarantee if there was a board with only ponzis. It would be dead after two days. I disagree. Ponzi's are the same as Casino's. If you make a ponzi section then you're going to have to make a Dice section or a Poker section as well as it is a type of gamble. Games run differently and just because Ponzi's are just starting to become an honest gamble, you can't exclude them from the Gambling section. Sure some sites will have bad intentions JUST LIKE MOST DICE SITES who run with investor money like Dicebitco.in...but this happens everywhere. I have no idea why everyone is so against a ponzi game that is honest about being one, and then HYIP's that claim to invest money don't receive a scratch on their profile. Beats me. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: koshgel on January 13, 2015, 05:26:21 AM Ponzis should definitely have its own board, but there is also a problem with that. If it has its own board it encourages more of these and people with their fake sites will be scamming people there with ease. On the other hand it will separate real gambling threads from the ponzi schemes, and while ponzis are gambling sites they work in a different way. It won't encourage people after they lose their BTC savings. These aren't even a gamble as the operators are the only sure winners. I guarantee if there was a board with only ponzis. It would be dead after two days. I disagree. Ponzi's are the same as Casino's. If you make a ponzi section then you're going to have to make a Dice section or a Poker section as well as it is a type of gamble. Games run differently and just because Ponzi's are just starting to become an honest gamble, you can't exclude them from the Gambling section. Sure some sites will have bad intentions JUST LIKE MOST DICE SITES who run with investor money like Dicebitco.in...but this happens everywhere. I have no idea why everyone is so against a ponzi game that is honest about being one, and then HYIP's that claim to invest money don't receive a scratch on their profile. Beats me. Do casinos shut down because they are unsustainable? No. There is a reason the model is profitable. They have a HOUSE EDGE. You take a cut AND create an unsustainable model. As soon as the ponzi doesn't get new investments, YOU RUN and close up shop. Don't compare ponzis to any other type of gamble. There is a reason they are illegal. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: NextPonzi on January 13, 2015, 05:54:41 AM Ponzis should definitely have its own board, but there is also a problem with that. If it has its own board it encourages more of these and people with their fake sites will be scamming people there with ease. On the other hand it will separate real gambling threads from the ponzi schemes, and while ponzis are gambling sites they work in a different way. It won't encourage people after they lose their BTC savings. These aren't even a gamble as the operators are the only sure winners. I guarantee if there was a board with only ponzis. It would be dead after two days. I disagree. Ponzi's are the same as Casino's. If you make a ponzi section then you're going to have to make a Dice section or a Poker section as well as it is a type of gamble. Games run differently and just because Ponzi's are just starting to become an honest gamble, you can't exclude them from the Gambling section. Sure some sites will have bad intentions JUST LIKE MOST DICE SITES who run with investor money like Dicebitco.in...but this happens everywhere. I have no idea why everyone is so against a ponzi game that is honest about being one, and then HYIP's that claim to invest money don't receive a scratch on their profile. Beats me. Do casinos shut down because they are unsustainable? No. There is a reason the model is profitable. They have a HOUSE EDGE. You take a cut AND create an unsustainable model. As soon as the ponzi doesn't get new investments, YOU RUN and close up shop. Don't compare ponzis to any other type of gamble. There is a reason they are illegal. Lol, are you retarded or just plain stupid? I'm starting to feel sorry for you, I feel like I'm spoon feeding you this information like a toddler. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: koshgel on January 13, 2015, 06:02:20 AM Ponzis should definitely have its own board, but there is also a problem with that. If it has its own board it encourages more of these and people with their fake sites will be scamming people there with ease. On the other hand it will separate real gambling threads from the ponzi schemes, and while ponzis are gambling sites they work in a different way. It won't encourage people after they lose their BTC savings. These aren't even a gamble as the operators are the only sure winners. I guarantee if there was a board with only ponzis. It would be dead after two days. I disagree. Ponzi's are the same as Casino's. If you make a ponzi section then you're going to have to make a Dice section or a Poker section as well as it is a type of gamble. Games run differently and just because Ponzi's are just starting to become an honest gamble, you can't exclude them from the Gambling section. Sure some sites will have bad intentions JUST LIKE MOST DICE SITES who run with investor money like Dicebitco.in...but this happens everywhere. I have no idea why everyone is so against a ponzi game that is honest about being one, and then HYIP's that claim to invest money don't receive a scratch on their profile. Beats me. Do casinos shut down because they are unsustainable? No. There is a reason the model is profitable. They have a HOUSE EDGE. You take a cut AND create an unsustainable model. As soon as the ponzi doesn't get new investments, YOU RUN and close up shop. Don't compare ponzis to any other type of gamble. There is a reason they are illegal. Lol, are you retarded or just plain stupid? I'm starting to feel sorry for you, I feel like I'm spoon feeding you this information like a toddler. You will close up shop as soon as no one invests in your scam. Time will show I am right. Let's see where you stand at this time next week. Usually when someone results to insults (poor ones btw), they are on the defensive about their actions. Title: Are ponzis not classified as a gambling game? Post by: koshgel on January 13, 2015, 06:06:07 AM Shouldn't these ponzis be moved to games and rounds?
Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: NextPonzi on January 13, 2015, 06:07:18 AM Ponzis should definitely have its own board, but there is also a problem with that. If it has its own board it encourages more of these and people with their fake sites will be scamming people there with ease. On the other hand it will separate real gambling threads from the ponzi schemes, and while ponzis are gambling sites they work in a different way. It won't encourage people after they lose their BTC savings. These aren't even a gamble as the operators are the only sure winners. I guarantee if there was a board with only ponzis. It would be dead after two days. I disagree. Ponzi's are the same as Casino's. If you make a ponzi section then you're going to have to make a Dice section or a Poker section as well as it is a type of gamble. Games run differently and just because Ponzi's are just starting to become an honest gamble, you can't exclude them from the Gambling section. Sure some sites will have bad intentions JUST LIKE MOST DICE SITES who run with investor money like Dicebitco.in...but this happens everywhere. I have no idea why everyone is so against a ponzi game that is honest about being one, and then HYIP's that claim to invest money don't receive a scratch on their profile. Beats me. Do casinos shut down because they are unsustainable? No. There is a reason the model is profitable. They have a HOUSE EDGE. You take a cut AND create an unsustainable model. As soon as the ponzi doesn't get new investments, YOU RUN and close up shop. Don't compare ponzis to any other type of gamble. There is a reason they are illegal. Lol, are you retarded or just plain stupid? I'm starting to feel sorry for you, I feel like I'm spoon feeding you this information like a toddler. You will close up shop as soon as no one invests in your scam. Time will show I am right. Let's see where you stand at this time next week. Usually when someone results to insults (poor ones btw), they are on the defensive about their actions. And no, I result to the truth. Because I am literally spoon feeding you what can already be read on our thread, on our site or anywhere that has our name in it. Title: Re: Are ponzis not classified as a gambling game? Post by: MultipliedCombo on January 13, 2015, 06:09:07 AM The Games And Rounds section isn't meant for that kind of stuff.
Ponzis don't really fall into "Spreadsheet games, forum-based games, and discussion of individual rounds/games on other sites.". Besides, using a ponzi is considered gambling. Title: So, the forum changes to PonziTalk ?? Post by: inigthz on January 13, 2015, 06:14:48 AM Just check the lounge. ;)
Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: koshgel on January 13, 2015, 06:23:55 AM Ponzis should definitely have its own board, but there is also a problem with that. If it has its own board it encourages more of these and people with their fake sites will be scamming people there with ease. On the other hand it will separate real gambling threads from the ponzi schemes, and while ponzis are gambling sites they work in a different way. It won't encourage people after they lose their BTC savings. These aren't even a gamble as the operators are the only sure winners. I guarantee if there was a board with only ponzis. It would be dead after two days. I disagree. Ponzi's are the same as Casino's. If you make a ponzi section then you're going to have to make a Dice section or a Poker section as well as it is a type of gamble. Games run differently and just because Ponzi's are just starting to become an honest gamble, you can't exclude them from the Gambling section. Sure some sites will have bad intentions JUST LIKE MOST DICE SITES who run with investor money like Dicebitco.in...but this happens everywhere. I have no idea why everyone is so against a ponzi game that is honest about being one, and then HYIP's that claim to invest money don't receive a scratch on their profile. Beats me. Do casinos shut down because they are unsustainable? No. There is a reason the model is profitable. They have a HOUSE EDGE. You take a cut AND create an unsustainable model. As soon as the ponzi doesn't get new investments, YOU RUN and close up shop. Don't compare ponzis to any other type of gamble. There is a reason they are illegal. Lol, are you retarded or just plain stupid? I'm starting to feel sorry for you, I feel like I'm spoon feeding you this information like a toddler. You will close up shop as soon as no one invests in your scam. Time will show I am right. Let's see where you stand at this time next week. Usually when someone results to insults (poor ones btw), they are on the defensive about their actions. And no, I result to the truth. Because I am literally spoon feeding you what can already be read on our thread, on our site or anywhere that has our name in it. Great. You write some stuff in your thread that I don't agree with. Is that understandable to you? Eventually, you won't even get those one or two deposits and you will be finished. That is the real truth. Given by your trust rating, I see that many people agree with me as well. Title: Re: Are ponzis not classified as a gambling game? Post by: koshgel on January 13, 2015, 06:36:51 AM The Games And Rounds section isn't meant for that kind of stuff. Ponzis don't really fall into "Spreadsheet games, forum-based games, and discussion of individual rounds/games on other sites.". Besides, using a ponzi is considered gambling. Some ponzis were already moved into there. They are forum-based in that the transaction IDs and promotion activity are through this forum. They are also round based and have time limits. All the threads in games and rounds fall under this description. They are all considered gambling. They are in a gambling subsection Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: NextPonzi on January 13, 2015, 06:39:49 AM Ponzis should definitely have its own board, but there is also a problem with that. If it has its own board it encourages more of these and people with their fake sites will be scamming people there with ease. On the other hand it will separate real gambling threads from the ponzi schemes, and while ponzis are gambling sites they work in a different way. It won't encourage people after they lose their BTC savings. These aren't even a gamble as the operators are the only sure winners. I guarantee if there was a board with only ponzis. It would be dead after two days. I disagree. Ponzi's are the same as Casino's. If you make a ponzi section then you're going to have to make a Dice section or a Poker section as well as it is a type of gamble. Games run differently and just because Ponzi's are just starting to become an honest gamble, you can't exclude them from the Gambling section. Sure some sites will have bad intentions JUST LIKE MOST DICE SITES who run with investor money like Dicebitco.in...but this happens everywhere. I have no idea why everyone is so against a ponzi game that is honest about being one, and then HYIP's that claim to invest money don't receive a scratch on their profile. Beats me. Do casinos shut down because they are unsustainable? No. There is a reason the model is profitable. They have a HOUSE EDGE. You take a cut AND create an unsustainable model. As soon as the ponzi doesn't get new investments, YOU RUN and close up shop. Don't compare ponzis to any other type of gamble. There is a reason they are illegal. Lol, are you retarded or just plain stupid? I'm starting to feel sorry for you, I feel like I'm spoon feeding you this information like a toddler. You will close up shop as soon as no one invests in your scam. Time will show I am right. Let's see where you stand at this time next week. Usually when someone results to insults (poor ones btw), they are on the defensive about their actions. And no, I result to the truth. Because I am literally spoon feeding you what can already be read on our thread, on our site or anywhere that has our name in it. Great. You write some stuff in your thread that I don't agree with. Is that understandable to you? Eventually, you won't even get those one or two deposits and you will be finished. That is the real truth. Given by your trust rating, I see that many people agree with me as well. Eventually a dice site will never have activity and they'll have to close doors, same deal. Your arguments are complete and utter garbage. People label our site a scam because many ponzi sites do in away with people money, not because they agree with your quite illogical arguments Title: Re: Are ponzis not classified as a gambling game? Post by: Quickseller on January 13, 2015, 06:42:07 AM Games and rounds are designed for giveaways. The ponzis are asking users to report their experiences with their scam ponzi sites.
Games and rounds is for when you need to post an insubstantial post in order to get some kind of prize Title: Re: Are ponzis not classified as a gambling game? Post by: BadBear on January 13, 2015, 06:42:49 AM If it has a website, it belongs in Gambling. If it does not have a website, it belongs in Games and Rounds.
Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: grendel25 on January 13, 2015, 06:44:20 AM Well they could give ponzis their own secion. They could also just name it less entertaining ways of losing your money. But then gambling is only as entertaining for as long as you have money to lose. Well then again they both have their own unique dramas. Separation would still be good.
Title: Re: Are ponzis not classified as a gambling game? Post by: Quickseller on January 13, 2015, 06:51:59 AM If it has a website, it belongs in Gambling. If it does not have a website, it belongs in Games and Rounds. What about this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=923293.0). The OP is not asking for anyone to post anything, but is telling It does not appear to have a website Title: Re: Are ponzis not classified as a gambling game? Post by: koshgel on January 13, 2015, 06:54:58 AM If it has a website, it belongs in Gambling. If it does not have a website, it belongs in Games and Rounds. So the posts with BTC addresses directly in the forum without a website can be reported? Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: hasiramasenju on January 13, 2015, 06:56:08 AM i absolute agree with you more section about ponzi before they rain all the gambling section
Title: Re: Are ponzis not classified as a gambling game? Post by: BadBear on January 13, 2015, 07:17:50 AM If it has a website, it belongs in Gambling. If it does not have a website, it belongs in Games and Rounds. What about this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=923293.0). The OP is not asking for anyone to post anything, but is telling It does not appear to have a website Games and Rounds. If it has a website, it belongs in Gambling. If it does not have a website, it belongs in Games and Rounds. So the posts with BTC addresses directly in the forum without a website can be reported? Yes, though one of the ones you reported did have a website. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: hilariousandco on January 13, 2015, 07:31:37 AM not much we can do about it...the fad will die down soon hopefully Doubt it. That's what people said about alt coins but they're still going strong. Scams and ponzis will be around as long as bitcoin is and as long as there's a fresh new stream of idiots to throw their money at them. The only way they'll disappear from this site is if they're banned and/or the forum recieved some kind of legal trouble because of them. Maybe they could do with their own section though and theymos has at least considered it in the past. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: theymos on January 13, 2015, 08:46:23 AM This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this:
Quote Investor-based games Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits. Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem? Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section? Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: hilariousandco on January 13, 2015, 08:55:07 AM I think many people seem to be both irritated by it and also want them gone or moved to their own section. I'm not that fussed personally but I'd probably vote for their own section if it came to it. Maybe you could add HYIP / High Yield Investment Programs to the title or description.
Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: Jarx on January 13, 2015, 09:21:46 AM Quote Investor-based games Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section?Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits. I guess you can just create an alt forum in Marketplace named "Other". Also I'm not against that. This is really irritating : https://i.imgur.com/O6rgX2K.png Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: tmfp on January 13, 2015, 10:00:55 AM I hope it's not wrong to quote myself and cross post it, but there is a similar thread to this going. As a non gambler, the state of its thread doesn't bother me, and I'm sure some of the more traditional gambling sites are pissed at money going into ponzi games and not on their dice. What does bear thinking about is if you create a "Ponzi" section then you run the risk of passively implying that if it's not in there then it's not a ponzi. Yeah, but there's two different things going on under the 'Ponzi' label atm. There's the ones which are clearly stating they are a game based on the ponzi concept, i.e. the punter will be paid from new money coming in, there is no underlying business, and when new "investment" stops, that's it for you, winning or losing and the site owner makes a % fee. That's a form of gambling, but with unknown, time related risk, and these schemes already (should) go in the Gambling section. Then there's the ones which will swear black is white that they are cloud mining, arbitraging or whatever and they have discovered a way of doing it that enables them to return impossible ROI. These people will obviously not voluntarily put their schemes in a "Ponzi" category or the Gambling Section, because they deny that they are operating one. It would be unrealistic to want or expect BCT to somehow vet, for example, a new cloud mining service and force it to go into a new Ponzi category or the Gambling section unless it met certain critireria. In both cases people can lose their money, but only in the latter type are they being scammed, so really the separate Category would be a bit irrelevant. TL:DR There's a world of difference between doublemyponzigame.lol and bitcointrader.biz. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: theymos on January 13, 2015, 10:12:07 AM What does bear thinking about is if you create a "Ponzi" section then you run the risk of passively implying that if it's not in there then it's not a ponzi. Yeah, that's part of why I want to create a section with very clearly defined and objective criteria. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: tmfp on January 13, 2015, 10:18:32 AM What does bear thinking about is if you create a "Ponzi" section then you run the risk of passively implying that if it's not in there then it's not a ponzi. Yeah, that's part of why I want to create a section with very clearly defined and objective criteria. Sure, but what do you do when Mr. X turns up with a "cloud mining" scheme offering crazy ROI, offering no proof of anything and wants it in Service Discussion? Are you proposing some sort of vetting process or self verification for these people or will the proposed section just be for those who openly admit it's just a gambling game? Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: NextPonzi on January 13, 2015, 10:26:26 AM This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this: Most definitely there are people against the whole idea of a ponzi. SOME ponzi's have the ability to store 10's, 100's or 1000's of BTC like cryptodouble did and rob users in the end. The community needs to figure out trust system if you want to make this section work or else no one will know what is legitimate or what is not.Quote Investor-based games Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits. Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem? Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section? See my thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=923461.msg10135856#msg10135856 I hope that you do make this section, but at the same time organise how you will flag the scams and how you will flag legitimate sites. Just like this forum, if everyone has a negative trust rating here no one will know who is a scammer and who is not. That is EXACTLY the situation this section will go through if all of these biased and default ratings continue. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: Jarx on January 13, 2015, 01:04:24 PM I just counted 21 ponzi topics in the first page of Gambling section. I won't visit that part anymore unless theymos edit forum.
Title: Marketplace>Gambling has become free Ponzi advertising land. Post by: Micon on January 13, 2015, 01:10:52 PM And there is about to be a jihad in /meta by a bunch of loyal /marketplace/gambling old-schoolers who are pissed off our forum has been taken over by a few (but growing) Ponzi operators advertising for free and making many copies of themselves to almost completely cover the 1st page in Ponzi threads.
it's embarrassing to bitcoin gambling and should be embarrassing to the forum moderators. I've watched the entire bitcoin gambling industry spring from this one subforum. Now we can't get anyone's ear to reclaim it from a 100 year old scam! Imagine the frustration... Anyway, the only proper solution I can think of is making a Marketplace>HYIP category and moving all ponzi / HYIP / "get this unpayable % every [short timeperiod]" to this subcat. Please return /marketplace/gambling to gambling. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: BadBear on January 13, 2015, 01:41:59 PM I just counted 21 ponzi topics in the first page of Gambling section. I won't visit that part anymore unless theymos edit forum. A lot of that is that they generate a lot of spam too, a lot of people constantly post links to "their" ponzi in other threads, people cross advertise, ponzi ops constantly bump their threads. Greedy shitbirds. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: llanillo on January 13, 2015, 02:06:57 PM Nope... it belongs to gambling because investing there you could win or lose... always there's a chance so its like gambling
This is happening since cryptodoble was a "success" to the scammer everyone just wanna get rich Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: Quickseller on January 13, 2015, 02:13:13 PM I just counted 21 ponzi topics in the first page of Gambling section. I won't visit that part anymore unless theymos edit forum. A lot of that is that they generate a lot of spam too, a lot of people constantly post links to "their" ponzi in other threads, people cross advertise, ponzi ops constantly bump their threads. Greedy shitbirds. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: Welsh on January 13, 2015, 02:16:14 PM I don't just blame the people who make them, I blame everyone taking part in them. Most people know exactly what they are and how they work. They don't care if they are promoting a scam scheme, as long as they get their money back. I tend to think any gambling is stupid, but Ponzi schemes are one leap beyond stupid.
Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: BadBear on January 13, 2015, 02:59:57 PM I just counted 21 ponzi topics in the first page of Gambling section. I won't visit that part anymore unless theymos edit forum. A lot of that is that they generate a lot of spam too, a lot of people constantly post links to "their" ponzi in other threads, people cross advertise, ponzi ops constantly bump their threads. Greedy shitbirds. Little bit of everything. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: FirestarterX on January 13, 2015, 03:46:27 PM I just counted 21 ponzi topics in the first page of Gambling section. I won't visit that part anymore unless theymos edit forum. A lot of that is that they generate a lot of spam too, a lot of people constantly post links to "their" ponzi in other threads, people cross advertise, ponzi ops constantly bump their threads. Greedy shitbirds. Little bit of everything. Not-so-little bit of everything. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: Taras on January 13, 2015, 06:18:09 PM This would be really great. Ponzis are arguably unethical and don't belong with the real games and securities. :)
Title: Re: Are ponzis not classified as a gambling game? Post by: koshgel on January 13, 2015, 08:21:34 PM If it has a website, it belongs in Gambling. If it does not have a website, it belongs in Games and Rounds. What about this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=923293.0). The OP is not asking for anyone to post anything, but is telling It does not appear to have a website Games and Rounds. If it has a website, it belongs in Gambling. If it does not have a website, it belongs in Games and Rounds. So the posts with BTC addresses directly in the forum without a website can be reported? Yes, though one of the ones you reported did have a website. Thank you for moving those. They are now creating multiple threads with the same title on the front of the gambling page. Isn't this blatant spam at least worthy of a few day ban? Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: DiamondCardz on January 13, 2015, 09:24:12 PM This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this: Quote Investor-based games Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits. Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem? Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section? I think this would be pretty much perfect. Quite a lot of people are very irritated with HYIPs even if they aren't stupid enough to use them. As long as it's mentioned in the description of the section that it's "risky" then the argument of endorsing HYIPs pretty much vanishes, too. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: Stunna on January 16, 2015, 11:24:40 PM This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this: Quote Investor-based games Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits. Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem? Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section? That would be a reasonable compromise, although personally I don't think they should even be allowed to advertise on this forum. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: siameze on January 16, 2015, 11:28:17 PM I don't really care, the only thing I hate is the PM ponzi spam from new users but that has only happened to me a few times in this most recent crop-up.
Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: koshgel on January 19, 2015, 05:00:33 AM This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this: Quote Investor-based games Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits. Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem? Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section? Is this section going to be created? Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: redsn0w on January 19, 2015, 07:27:02 AM I don't really care, the only thing I hate is the PM ponzi spam from new users but that has only happened to me a few times in this most recent crop-up. I also received a few ponzi PMs spam , and I've reported them to an administrator . I think now we need a new forum section only for the Ponzi schemes, what do you think ? Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: ComboChris on January 19, 2015, 07:28:11 AM This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this: This does exclude investments/invest Gambling sites and normal gambling sites, it could be seen as controversial, whether a PvP game would fit into that section, but those are essentially not based on new 'investors' joining the game but rather new gamblers.Quote Investor-based games Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits. Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem? Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section? Overall I feel like we really need this section, because if you let the ponzi creators keep going, the gambling section will be unreadable to many people due to spam covering up the really interesting topics. I would appreciated, if you could give us an update on whether this section is going to be added and if so, when? Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: freedomno1 on January 19, 2015, 10:00:14 AM This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this: Quote Investor-based games Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits. Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem? Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section? Just noticed this post while reading over the Ponzi threads In my opinion trial boards and sub-boards that can be experimented resolve the main issue before they grow into bigger problems instead of just focusing on the problem today, as a section this seems like a good idea because Ponzi's are overtaking the gambling section in general and should be split into a more manageable section for users and staff to handle. Suggestion: The option for users of the community to vote in trial boards to broaden the scope of the website. The forum would open new trial boards as resources permit, based on requests from the userbase. If a board does not perform well, it is removed to make way for others. A board's trial status is denoted by its name appearing italicized on the navigation menu. Boards are added only if there is enough interest to drive quality traffic to them. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: siameze on January 19, 2015, 05:04:11 PM I don't really care, the only thing I hate is the PM ponzi spam from new users but that has only happened to me a few times in this most recent crop-up. I also received a few ponzi PMs spam , and I've reported them to an administrator . I think now we need a new forum section only for the Ponzi schemes, what do you think ? Well it would be nice to have them all corralled together. I can see how you might call some of these games "gambling" because it is by definition. The HYIP and such are very misleading at times, however, and are just noob traps imo. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: alani123 on January 19, 2015, 09:24:13 PM This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this: Quote Investor-based games Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits. Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem? Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section? Can we make this a reality already? I would even offer to moderate a board like this. It's making so sick that the gambling section is riddled with such posts. And trust me, people that are coming there for the ponzis know little to nothing about actual gambling. The don't come there for poker or sports, they come there to look for a quick 30% "profit". I've noticed that whenever BTC's price dives and we're experiencing a down trend ponzis flourish and it's really bringing the overall quality of the forum down because of the shady promotion tactics admins of those schemes use to promote them. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: BadBear on January 20, 2015, 05:01:42 AM This exact same thing happened last year. Even the 'reputable' ones ended up running once interest died down, and there aren't enough suckers to play. It eventually ends up where nobody will play beyond the first few seconds because they won't get paid back, and the amount of different ones spread the players out too much. There's only 8 threads now. Most of them are spammers in one way or another and end up banned.
I say give it time and see, these games are not sustainable. Title: Re: Please give another section to ponzis... Post by: gampher on January 20, 2015, 05:03:10 AM i think ponzi sites should be completely banned on bitcointalk
each time a ponzi site scam,people start blaming bitcoin for this over other discussion sites and it give bitcoin a negative impact |
